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jiriku
2010-09-22, 04:59 PM
I've got a pony!

So, for an upcoming game, I will be playing an exalted succubus with a vow of poverty, moving into the fiend of possession class after completing the succubus monster class. At 10th level I am planning to take Leadership and acquire a unicorn as a cohort ("I want a pony NOW!").


For this campaign:

All Level Adjustments are halved, rounded down.
Houserules on the VoP allow me to take any feat in my VoP bonus feat slots (which is how I'm getting Leadership at 10th)

The unicorn's maximum ECL will be my ECL-2. The DM will probably be pretty liberal about letting me choose how it advances. So, playground, how can I pimp my unicorn? I want it to be useful in some way during the game.

Starbuck_II
2010-09-22, 05:02 PM
So, for an upcoming game, I am planning to play an exalted succubus with a vow of poverty. Houserules on the VoP allow me to take any feat in my VoP bonus feat slots, and at 10th level I am planning to take leadership and acquire a unicorn as a cohort ("I want a pony NOW!").

The unicorn's ECL will be my ECL-2. So, playground, how can I pimp my unicorn? I want it to be useful in some way during the game.

So ECL 8 Unicorn?
Wait... unicorns are ECL 8. So... you can only switch feats/equipment. :smallfrown:

jiriku
2010-09-22, 05:03 PM
Oh my. Forgot to include extensive house rulage. Editing OP now.

The unicorn will be ECL 6, and thus has room for some class levels or advancement hit dice.

Kurald Galain
2010-09-22, 05:04 PM
at 10th level I am planning to take leadership and acquire a unicorn as a cohort ("I want a pony NOW!").

Chaaarlie...

Chaaaaarlieeee...

Crossblade
2010-09-22, 06:37 PM
Question:

How does a sex demon friending a magical creature that will only let female virgins ride it, work?

jiriku
2010-09-22, 07:32 PM
I actually was considering Vow of Chastity (she'd be the ultimate tease), but meh, I only have so many feat slots and the benefits of that Vow are pretty underwhelming.

So, instead, I took it in a different direction and took Nymph's Kiss, so she has, erm, a recommendation from her nymph girlfriend? Unicorns get along great with fey. And I'm still tossing around taking Talya's vow of nudity (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45529) feat. It just ruins the succubus' natural talent for disguise and infiltration....

My initial thought was to steampunk up the unicorn. I can totally see it in a Victorian-style leather harness, with some kind of technomagical device on its horn, wearing a monocle. But my DM's head is already pretty close to exploding, so maybe I better not do that.

OracleofWuffing
2010-09-22, 07:37 PM
And I'm still tossing around taking Talya's vow of nudity (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45529) feat. It just ruins the succubus' natural talent for disguise and infiltration....
Well, I don't know about that, taking that feat will probably distract people from looking at your face better than any disguise... :smalltongue:

Tiki Snakes
2010-09-22, 07:42 PM
Question:

How does a sex demon friending a magical creature that will only let female virgins ride it, work?

Kurald actually secretly gave the answer.


Chaaarlie...

Chaaaaarlieeee...

You just pester the unicorn relentlessly till it gives up and does whatever dubious stuff you tell it to, whatever your existing track record (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/280260).

:smallbiggrin:

awesomessake
2010-09-22, 07:50 PM
My initial thought was to steampunk up the unicorn. I can totally see it in a Victorian-style leather harness, with some kind of technomagical device on its horn, wearing a monocle. But my DM's head is already pretty close to exploding, so maybe I better not do that.

You sir, have given me a new idea for a motivator. Also:

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/299/2/a/Steampunk_Unicorn_by_Surreallity.jpg

sciencepanda
2010-09-22, 08:05 PM
Have it look something like this:

http://www.thai-toku.com/photo3/06121315.jpg

jiriku
2010-09-22, 08:11 PM
Can't see the picture. :smallfrown:

Does anyone have optimization advice? I was thinking of having it advance as a crusader or paladin. As a crusader, it could help me out with various White Raven maneuvers, while a pally unicorn with a set of wands strapped to its horns could handle healing and some minor buffing (we don't have any casters in our party). Plus, either of those classes offers armor proficiency, so if one of the other PCs pays for it, it could wear some shiny mithril barding and look extra awesome (and probably live longer).

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-22, 08:15 PM
Can't see the picture. :smallfrown:

Does anyone have optimization advice? I was thinking of having it advance as a crusader or paladin. As a crusader, it could help me out with various White Raven maneuvers, while a pally unicorn with a set of wands strapped to its horns could handle healing and some minor buffing (we don't have any casters in our party). Plus, either of those classes offers armor proficiency, so if one of the other PCs pays for it, it could wear some shiny mithril barding and look extra awesome (and probably live longer).

Either you meant crusader with White raven or you are thinking on Warblade not crusader,

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2010-09-22, 08:17 PM
You can get it way sooner, provided your DM cooperates. Take Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a), there are no prerequisites so you can have it as early as 1st level.

Grab Exalted Companion (BoED), which allows you to get a Unicorn at 7th level (Level -6), you can take that as early as 2nd level. Technically a Wild Cohort is not an Animal Companion, but they're mechanically similar enough that a nice DM will let this work. Wild Cohort delays that to 10th level, though still at (Level -6), but not to worry.

Take Natural Bond (CV) which gives you (Level +3), available as soon as you get Wild Cohort. Since you can apply your own bonuses and penalties in the most favorable order, and due to the text vs table in the Druid's Animal Companion class feature description, that Unicorn will become 4th level (Level -3) with that feat figured in. Wild Cohort will still delay that to 7th level, but you get a Unicorn at 7th level! Plus it automatically gets all kinds of extra HD and other benefits.

NineThePuma
2010-09-22, 08:25 PM
Fix'd (http://www.thai-toku.com/photo3)

Courtesy of your local Kobolds. It's also awesome

WarKitty
2010-09-22, 08:27 PM
Courtesy of your local Kobolds. It's also awesome

403 error.

sciencepanda
2010-09-22, 08:30 PM
Sorry about that. Here is the image I had posted before:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3525/06121315.jpg

grarrrg
2010-09-22, 09:16 PM
Seriously guys? Both of those pictures are of pegasi. The original poster wants Unicorns, the horse with the horn on its head? You know the ones.

http://www.top10stunningwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/18-Southern_White_Rhinoceros_Botswana_South_Africa.jp g

Whoops, wrong one...
Ah, here's an armored unicorn:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/ngee_khiong5/MG_Unicorn_01.jpg

Okay, maybe this is harder than it looks...

NineThePuma
2010-09-22, 09:23 PM
Snrrrrrrrk.

Dire Rhino Mount.

Tetrasodium
2010-09-22, 09:46 PM
so many fail pictures of unicorns :P

Armored Unicorn! (clearly post-fight)
http://adweek.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c51c053ef0133f1ba5f8a970b-450wi

half warforged unicorn
http://www.fesjon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/opening.jpg

Baby Unicorn
http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=190125&d=1187813499

Unicorn saying "Really?..." with its eyes
http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=190122&d=1187812990

Genuine real life half unicorn!
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-you-have-found-the-rare-unicorn-cat.jpg

If D&D can manage half giants and half dragons, it can fit half unicorn kitties

Mecha unicorn
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/neoprolacus/OtaCoolTure/PlaMo/Shin_Unicorn_01.jpg

My brain likes to think this is a halloween costume "manicorn"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rZw4GTLEIIk/S_nA84Z4L5I/AAAAAAAAAbQ/C6ZnB3aKvZQ/s1600/exterface_unicorn_04.jpg

Keld Denar
2010-09-22, 09:54 PM
Dude, you have 2 free levels? Grab 2 levels of Totemist. Have your Unicorn bind Unicorn Horn to her Totem Chakra.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/0WvxN7WZkpgq6x1dlny298tro1_400.jpg
Yo dawg, I heard you like Unicorns, so we bound Unicorn Horns to your Unicorn so you can gore while you gore.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2010-09-22, 09:59 PM
More like...
http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/168511.jpg

As for your character, I just realized a fatal flaw: You intend to go into Fiend of Possession. A Unicorn projects a Magic Circle against Evil, which affects a 10 ft. radius emanation from every side of its space ("Area: 10-ft.-radius emanation from touched creature"). This will automatically stop your character from possessing anything within that area, and since it's a Supernatural effect spell resistance won't even apply. In fact, since your character is extraplanar with the evil subtype, you wouldn't even be able to approach within ten feet of the Unicorn.

If you can get it to work despite that, the Unicorn should definitely take VoP as well. I'm pretty sure that if you go the Wild Cohort route its bonus HD from that wouldn't count against its ECL for Leadership, since they're granted by your own ability and added on top of anything else it already had. The bonus HD can be counted after Leadership considerations, as per adding bonuses and penalties in the most beneficial order. Therefore, it can be your Wild Cohort and your Leadership Cohort simultaneously, and get class levels in addition to its bonus HD. I would probably go with Crusader levels for it, though being CG it could take Warlock and Enlightened Spirit (CM). That would eventually grant it flight, along with a host of other useful abilities. Its Eldritch Blast could shoot out of its horn!

ffone
2010-09-22, 09:59 PM
Half rounded down, eh? In other ways, if you want to play a LA +0 race, grab a random LA +1 template.

I remember a campaign like that - 'free LA up to +2', so naturally everyone hit it on the nose. Mineral warrior catfolk? Why not!

Coidzor
2010-09-22, 10:01 PM
...Unicorns with unicorns for unicorns?

mobdrazhar
2010-09-22, 10:42 PM
Half rounded down, eh? In other ways, if you want to play a LA +0 race, grab a random LA +1 template.

I remember a campaign like that - 'free LA up to +2', so naturally everyone hit it on the nose. Mineral warrior catfolk? Why not!

but half of 0 is still 0... not a negative decimal

jiriku
2010-09-22, 11:06 PM
You can get it way sooner, provided your DM cooperates.

No spare feat slots. I have a full deck with Sacred Vow, VoP, Nymph's Kiss, Mindsight, Improved Succubus Powers (a homebrew feat that gives the 3.5 succy access to the SLAs of the 3.0 succy), and Exalted Succubus (another homebrew that replaces the evil-aligned SLAs and powers with equivalent good-aligned ones).

However...Wild Cohort+Exalted Cohort+Natural Bond could be a useful tactic at higher levels, where the Vow is giving me a lot of bonus feats that I don't really know what to do with. And if the unicorn takes crusader, the bonus HD from WC would give it quick access to higher-level maneuvers.


As for your character, I just realized a fatal flaw: You intend to go into Fiend of Possession. A Unicorn projects a Magic Circle against Evil.

It's not quite that bad. The field only stops summoned evil creatures, and won't eject me from anything I've possessed. It will, however, prevent me from exercising control. Bummer that. Hafta be careful.

In a way, this can be a useful tool, because if anyone is reluctant to bargain with me because I'm a succubus, I can suggest we do the negotiating next to the unicorn. Obviously I must be trustworthy if a unicorn follows me, and clearly the magic circle will prevent any attempt at manipulation, won't it? The poor saps will overlook the fact that I have an outrageous Bluff score and a mind shield.


If you can get it to work despite that, the Unicorn should definitely take VoP as well.

Nice. I hadn't thought of that.


Half rounded down, eh? In other ways, if you want to play a LA +0 race, grab a random LA +1 template.

I remember a campaign like that - 'free LA up to +2', so naturally everyone hit it on the nose. Mineral warrior catfolk? Why not!

Exactly. But this isn't going to be a very competitive game, so people are mostly just playing whatever character idea interests them most. I've had this succubus idea rattling around in my head for almost a year, although the inspiration for the unicorn cohort is new.


Dude, you have 2 free levels? Grab 2 levels of Totemist. Have your Unicorn bind Unicorn Horn to her Totem Chakra.

My incarnum-fu is non-existent. How well will totemist contribute on a creature that's got 4 monster hit dice, a +2 LA, and is two levels behind the PCs in the group? Is totemist compatible with VoP if the unicorn takes VoP?

Keld Denar
2010-09-23, 01:03 AM
I was mostly joking, simply because binding Unicorn Horn to your Totem Chakra gives you a gore attack, which is technically redundant with the unicorn's existing gore attack. I just wanted to make a "Yo Dawg" joke.

In further review, however, Incarnate levels wouldn't be bad. Meldshaping actually blends with VoP remarkably well. Normally your chakra binds are fighting with your magic items for control of your body slots. With VoP, you have no items, so ALL of your body slots are free for chakra binding. If your horsy took Airstep Sandles bound to her "Feet" Chakra, she'd gain a perfect fly speed of up to 30', 40' with Improved Soulmeld Capacity, or when her total HD exceed 12. Unfortunately, her Feet Chakra is open until Incantate 4, and she'll only have 2 levels. Melding it would still allow her to fly, but she'd have to end each move on solid ground, making it only really viable for avoiding rough terrain. Hmmmm, what are some good Crown binds? That is the only bind she'd have open. I see Enigma Helm for protection from all Divinations (including True Seeing, I'd guess), and Soulspark Familiar for a neato little friend to hang out with her and keep her company. They are pretty crappy combatants, but neat if you want someone for your horsey friend to talk to when you are out doing "human" things. Lots of soulmelds do cool things when not bound though, like Fellmist Robes, which would give her like, 20% miss chance vs ranged attacks with 2 essentia invested. Thats not half bad, IMO.

Project_Mayhem
2010-09-23, 06:46 AM
Aquatic unicorn :D

Image failed. It was a narwhale.

Naaarrrrrwhhale

Nnnnnnnnnaaaarrrrrrrwwwwhhhhhhaaaalllleee

NineThePuma
2010-09-23, 09:24 AM
Tripod'd.

I like succubi ideas. This one is utterly hilarious.

... You wouldn't happen to remember where that homebrew was from, would you?

Lysander
2010-09-23, 10:15 AM
How about giving it magical horseshoes? Horseshoes of Speed will improve it's move speed by 30, or Horseshoes of the Zephyr will allow it to run over water and travel without leaving tracks.

Technically a unicorn isn't an animal or a horse, it's a magical beast and by RAW can't necessarily use these, but it's horse-like enough I'd hope your DM won't get strict on you.

jiriku
2010-09-23, 12:56 PM
Tripod'd.

I like succubi ideas. This one is utterly hilarious.

... You wouldn't happen to remember where that homebrew was from, would you?

Which homebrew? If you mean the 9-level succubus monster class or the Improved Succubus Powers and Exalted Succubus feats, I wrote them. I can post them here if you'd like to have a look.



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So, If I start at ECL10 with an ECL8 unicorn, after halving the LA the unicorn will have 4 magical beast hit dice, a +2 LA, and 2 levels of crusader. It will have IL 4, so it can choose 2nd-level maneuvers right off the bat.

By ECL12 I'll have two feat slots open up, and I can take Wild Cohort + Exalted Companion, but will that actually help? I'll have only 9 HD at that point, and if Wild Cohort gives me a companion as a druid of level -3, and Exalted Companion advances the unicorn as if I'm a druid of level -6, that means my effective druid level is actually 0, and the unicorn receives no benefit. If that's correct, I'd be better off deferring these feats until I'm much higher level, say, ECL 18 when I'll also get two feats, and would advance the unicorn companion with an effective druid level of 6. Am I right?

Siegel
2010-09-23, 01:46 PM
1. Step :
Open your eyes I see
your eyes are open
wear no disguise for me
come into the open

When it's cold outside
am I here in vain
hold on to the night
there will be no shame

Always I wanna be with you
and make believe with you
and live in harmony harmony oh love
Always I wanna be with you
and make believe with you
and live in harmony harmony oh love

Melting the ice for me
jump into the ocean
hold back the tide I see
your love in motion

When it's cold outside
am I here in vain
hold on to the night
there will be no shame

Always I wanna be with you
and make believe with you
and live in harmony harmony oh love
Always I wanna be with you
and make believe with you
and live in harmony harmony oh love
...

2. Step : ???

3. Step : PROFIT !

jiriku
2010-09-23, 02:48 PM
Stop that, stop that! No singing! No singing!

/monty python reference

NineThePuma
2010-09-23, 03:23 PM
Which homebrew? If you mean the 9-level succubus monster class or the Improved Succubus Powers and Exalted Succubus feats, I wrote them. I can post them here if you'd like to have a look.

Yes please! Kobold want!

... Mostly cause I have someone playing a High-Cha Bard/Rake (From BoEF... don't look at me like that, I was 16 when I got it as a gift from a friend!) because I told her that a succubus wasn't really in line with my campaigns power level |3;;

Keld Denar
2010-09-23, 03:31 PM
1. Step : <snip>

2. Step : This (http://cnettv.cnet.com/my-barbarian-unicorns-l/9742-1_53-2301.html)

3. Step : PROFIT !

Fix't :smallcool:

Ernir
2010-09-23, 04:21 PM
My Unicorn companion is taking Devotion feats (CChampion) along with at least one Cleric level.

Animal Devotion is very good. Protection Devotion is very nice to have on someone who isn't you. Plant Devotion and Good Devotion aren't particularly good, but they also fit thematically and might provide enough of an edge to save your poor horsy if it ever winds up in melee.

jiriku
2010-09-23, 07:21 PM
Yes please! Kobold want!

... Mostly cause I have someone playing a High-Cha Bard/Rake (From BoEF... don't look at me like that, I was 16 when I got it as a gift from a friend!) because I told her that a succubus wasn't really in line with my campaigns power level |3;;

Alright, it's up. I've posted it in the homebrew forum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9413519#post9413519). It is sadly true that the writers of Savage Species had an abysmal grasp of class balance. I'd rate most of their monster classes as Tier 5-6. This improved succubus is (I feel) a solid T4, very good at what it does but not possessed of the versatility of many other classes.


My Unicorn companion is taking Devotion feats (CChampion) along with at least one Cleric level.

Animal Devotion is very good. Protection Devotion is very nice to have on someone who isn't you. Plant Devotion and Good Devotion aren't particularly good, but they also fit thematically and might provide enough of an edge to save your poor horsy if it ever winds up in melee.

I'm reading up on the Devotion feats now. Lemme see what I can find.

Yora
2010-09-23, 07:31 PM
Have you tried out a Robot-Attack-Unicorn?
http://gamerlimit.com/files/2010/06/robot-unicorn-attack-copy.jpg
Oooopen your eyes!!!

Morph Bark
2010-09-24, 11:26 AM
Have you tried out a Robot-Attack-Unicorn?
http://gamerlimit.com/files/2010/06/robot-unicorn-attack-copy.jpg
Oooopen your eyes!!!

OHHHH YEAAAHHH

http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/775/bff83623f5c93796cbd7f26305014851.png?918060

grarrrg
2010-09-24, 01:12 PM
OHHHH YEAAAHHH

http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/775/bff83623f5c93796cbd7f26305014851.png?918060

There is no smilie to convey what I am feeling when I look at that picture.
Why is there no "jaw-hitting-the-floor-stunned-with-awe" smilie?

Yora
2010-09-24, 01:27 PM
This almost sounds as if you never played the game! (http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html) :smallbiggrin:

grarrrg
2010-09-24, 02:31 PM
This almost sounds as if you never played the game! (http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html) :smallbiggrin:

There is no smilie to convey what I am feeling when I look at that picture play that game.
Why is there no "jaw-hitting-the-floor-stunned-with-awe" smilie?


Adult Swim tie in... that makes sense... in the way that nothing of it really makes sense.

Yora
2010-09-24, 03:06 PM
Someone called it "The 90's: The Game".

jiriku
2010-09-24, 03:26 PM
Hmm, how could I get a rainbow unicorn?

Morph Bark
2010-09-24, 07:05 PM
There is no smilie to convey what I am feeling when I look at that picture.
Why is there no "jaw-hitting-the-floor-stunned-with-awe" smilie?

My players knew not how to reply either when I showed it to them and asked "what would you think of a campaign that can be most perfectly expressed by this picture?"