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randomhero00
2010-09-24, 01:51 PM
to cast as an SLA 1/month what would it be? You're considered level one for purposes of determining spell effects but you can pick a spell from any level, any list.

Spells barred for obvious reasons:
1 anyway to get wish (including reality revision)

2 shadow evocation or anyway to reproduce more than one spell, including summons

3 gate/planar binding

4 raise dead line (including reincarnate) or anyway to bring the dead back to true life (making undead OK though :smallsmile:)

5 shapechange/poly spells would be limited to real life creatures

6 Spells like true creation would only be able to create real world items.

Addendum: Since some people seem to like prestidigitation and such, 0 level spells will be castable 6 times a day instead of 1/month.

Mass Heal would be nice...but there are some other tempting spells. Like Suspend Life, it'd be fun to skip ahead through time. And teleport circle would just be dang cool, even if its 1/month. Hypercognition would be cool. Figure out almost any problem I have 1/month. Genesis or Animate undead would be cool but I wouldn't know what to do with them realistically.

The Rose Dragon
2010-09-24, 01:53 PM
Demon of the Second Circle.

Or possibly Summon Elemental, since they are less likely to flip out and kill me.

Kobold-Bard
2010-09-24, 01:58 PM
Prestidigitation.

I'm only allowed one spell and it can't replicate other spells, Prestidigitation for
me. Deals with everything I'm going to need day to day (cleaning & shaving, chilling beer etc.) as well as my personal favourite of
turning £5 notes into £50 notes :smallbiggrin:

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 02:02 PM
Greater Teleport. What's that, go anywhere in the universe with no error? Hot diggity, oh God, yes!
The way the spell works, stopping at the ISS for a month would be the best way to do it. That way, you can bring along as much supplies as I and any others need to spend a month on a world that can not support human life.

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 02:03 PM
Demon of the Second Circle.

Or possibly Summon Elemental, since they are less likely to flip out and kill me.

Exalted? I meant 3.5 but I suppose that works :smallbiggrin:

Still though...what would you do with it though? It's a cool idea to have a body guard but what are the odds you'd actually need one (especially something that carrying a gun or mace wouldn't solve)?

Adumbration
2010-09-24, 02:04 PM
Mass Heal.

Hospitals would totally freak out.

lsfreak
2010-09-24, 02:04 PM
It'd probably be a tie between teleport, invisibility, and mindrape. As much as I'd want teleport, it's most likely to be noticed by others, so... either invis or mindrape. And mindrape is really overkill - I'd only ever want to make subtle alterations, no complete rewrite like sometimes goes on in D&D, but the next-best (dominate, insidious suggestion) aren't really enough.

gdiddy
2010-09-24, 02:08 PM
Fabricate.

Fabricate.

Fabricate.

The Rabbler
2010-09-24, 02:09 PM
I'd go with either dominate person or prestidigitation. Dominate Person makes me the king of the world, but prestidigitation allows me to have so much fun on a daily basis that I can't really decide between the two.

Then again, there's also lightning bolt. I could call myself Zeus!

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 02:09 PM
Mass Heal.

Hospitals would totally freak out.

I forgot about mass heal, yeah I'd change my answer to that probably. But not very useful at hospitals since it'd only have a range of 25ft. And I'm not sure if I'd want to go public with it (by gathering people up.)

El Dorado
2010-09-24, 02:09 PM
Mass Heal. Make the world a better place.

Zaydos
2010-09-24, 02:10 PM
Programmed Amnesia would be nice (I can be evil).

True Resurrection might make you a really nice living.

Commune could answer so many questions about reality.

I'd definitely pick Teleportation Circle over Greater Teleport.

Scholar's Touch would be useful at school.


I'd go with either dominate person or prestidigitation. Dominate Person makes me the king of the world, but prestidigitation allows me to have so much fun on a daily basis that I can't really decide between the two.

Then again, there's also lightning bolt. I could call myself Zeus!

Duration is the problem on Dominate Person. 1/month you can dominate somebody for 1 day and then they are really, really pissed.

The Rose Dragon
2010-09-24, 02:11 PM
Exalted? I meant 3.5 but I suppose that works :smallbiggrin:

Still though...what would you do with it though? It's a cool idea to have a body guard but what are the odds you'd actually need one (especially something that carrying a gun or mace wouldn't solve)?

Bodyguard? Why would I need a bodyguard? They are there to perform tasks, such as getting my laundry done, tutoring me on subjects I don't understand (I'm sure I can find an elemental with a Lore higher than mine), to go shopping for me, etc.

If I needed a bodyguard, I would have bought Imbue Amalgam.

Kobold-Bard
2010-09-24, 02:12 PM
Programmed Amnesia would be nice (I can be evil).

True Resurrection might make you a really nice living.

Commune could answer so many questions about reality.

I'd definitely pick Teleportation Circle over Greater Teleport.

Scholar's Touch would be useful at school.

No resurrection type spells.

And I forgot about Scholar's Touch. I'm not giving up Prestidigitation buy goddamn that is a close one.

lsfreak
2010-09-24, 02:13 PM
I forgot about mass heal, yeah I'd change my answer to that probably. But not very useful at hospitals since it'd only have a range of 25ft. And I'm not sure if I'd want to go public with it (by gathering people up.)

Eh. 1/month isn't a lot though, and can't effect all that many people. Mindrape a few public figures into being really interested in getting funding for medical research, on the other hand...

Really there's nothing mindrape can't solve. War? Mindrape a fanatical leader. Not enough money for a good cause? Mindrape some public figures (and/or senators) to provide funding. You want enough money to live off of without work? Mindrape a few companies into hiring you as a consultant.

Mordokai
2010-09-24, 02:13 PM
Depends on how much Heal can actually, you know... heal.

It would probably be a coin flip between Heal and Greater Teleport.

Adumbration
2010-09-24, 02:13 PM
I forgot about mass heal, yeah I'd change my answer to that probably. But not very useful at hospitals since it'd only have a range of 25ft. And I'm not sure if I'd want to go public with it (by gathering people up.)

30 feet is still about 10 meters, so you could heal probably heal about 2-3 people a day, considering how packed hospitals are these days.

Possibly a lot more, if you do it at dinner, gathering or use some other shenanigans to pack a lot of people together.

I'd probably do mental asylums on weekends, just to mess with people. :smalltongue:

EDIT: Huh, I thought it was 1/day. I'll have to reconsider in that case.

grarrrg
2010-09-24, 02:14 PM
It'd probably be a tie between teleport, invisibility, and mindrape....And mindrape is really overkill - I'd only ever want to make subtle alterations, no complete rewrite like sometimes goes on in D&D, but the next-best (dominate, insidious suggestion) aren't really enough.

"Mindrape, murder, arson, and mindrape."
"You said mindrape twice."
"Heh, I like mindrape."

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 02:16 PM
Regenerate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/regenerate.htm)

Even at 1/mo, the ability to fully repair the damaged/lost limbs & organs of a single individual is powerful enough for me to earn an excellent living:smallcool:

...I mean, do a lot of Good for the world <_<

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 02:20 PM
True Mind Switch or Mind Rape probably.

If I can have a modified true mind switch that doesn't cost me levels if/when my old body dies (as I don't actually have any levels/XP) and (ideally) that leaves my body in a coma (so that the person I switched with can't do stuff with my body), then that probably.

Mind Rape let's you know everything that the target knows and let's you reprogram them.

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There are a few other spells spread throughout the various splat books that would at least get a look, but most of them just aren't worth it.

Arcane Genesis might be, I suppose.

GNUsNotUnix
2010-09-24, 02:21 PM
Don't rule out wish so quickly. An experience cost in the real world could translate into a serious issue; imagine losing memory or skill every time you made a wish. It'd be like Never Ending Story II (but, you know, better).

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 02:22 PM
Fabricate.

Fabricate.

Fabricate.
Trouble is, you explicitly need the skill to make something to make most things worth making.
(http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fabricate.htm)
To all the Prestidigitation fans out there, you only get it once per month. That is . . .less useful. I love that spell; it's fun, but it's not anything to write home about once per month.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 02:25 PM
If I can have a modified true mind switch that doesn't cost me levels if/when my old body dies (as I don't actually have any levels/XP) and (ideally) that leaves my body in a coma (so that the person I switched with can't do stuff with my body), then that probably.
Alignment issues aside (Mind Rape is just creepy) whether or not there are XP costs is pretty important. For example, Clone (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/clone.htm): if you are forced to lose 2 CON it's no good; Level loss depends on how hard it is to gain levels (and what losin one actually means). Without Level or CON loss, it's an excellent not-quite-resurrection spell; otherwise it is marginal at best.

Prime32
2010-09-24, 02:28 PM
Arcane Genesis might be, I suppose.You can only cast it on the Ethereal Plane.

And you realises there is a non-[Evil] version of mindrape, right? (Programmed Amnesia)

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 02:29 PM
Pres. is only good 1/month for going to a casino and messing with roulette.

And if you want something like that then there are better choices.

Jack Zander
2010-09-24, 02:31 PM
Well since its only one spell and its only once per month most of the really awesome ones would be... not so awesome. Teleport seems extremely useless to me as it's a one-way trip.

To be useful in the real world you need something where caster level doesn't matter. That narrows the list down quite a bit. Things with a long duration would be preferred, or conjurations with an instantaneous duration so the conjured item is permanent.

Off the top of my head I can think of: Continual Flame - Sell them to green companies/people for mega bucks. Mass Heal - Offer miracle healing for the wealthy. Geas/Quest - Get whatever you want as long as you know the right people to give the quest to. Discern Location - Once a month you can solve an unsolved mystery.

gdiddy
2010-09-24, 02:32 PM
Trouble is, you explicitly need the skill to make something to make most things worth making.
(http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fabricate.htm)
To all the Prestidigitation fans out there, you only get it once per month. That is . . .less useful. I love that spell; it's fun, but it's not anything to write home about once per month.

I guess I'll have to take a few trade school courses. Or read a few books on how to build spacecraft or automobiles.

You'd get to be the instant prototype guy in whatever field you wanted.

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 02:34 PM
You can only cast it on the Ethereal Plane.
Hmm, yeah forgot about that.


And you realises there is a non-[Evil] version of mindrape, right? (Programmed Amnesia)
PA doesn't let you know everything that the target knows. Mind Rape a surgeon, and even if you don't change any of his memories, and you know all he knows about medicine.

It's a great way to gain knowledge. You can also fix mental problems (with yourself or others) and do good.

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Yeah, I would either pick one of the options that get's me immortality or Mind Rape. Perhaps the spell that let's me make myself or others immortal, Kissed by the Ages.

Kobold-Bard
2010-09-24, 02:34 PM
Pres. is only good 1/month for going to a casino and messing with roulette.

And if you want something like that then there are better choices.

Prestidigitation can turn one fine object into another for an hour. Turn blank sheets of paper into high value bills and put them in an automated bank deposit machine. It recognises them as high value and adds it to your account, at which point it's no longer your problem.

1/month does suck though, I preferred my version of this thread (x/week = 10-spell level). Meant Cantrips kicked ass.

Probably Mindrape in the end coz it's so versatile without breaking the rules.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 02:34 PM
1/month is... pretty hard to make workable with most things. I mean, you can only make 2 skeletons a pop, or 24 skeletons in a year.

Meaning you can't use them for the tasks they're most suited for because they're more rare and valuable than deep-sea capable submarines, y'know, nigh-irreplaceable at first, and even if you lived to be 80 and got the ability at 20, that's only 60 years and you'd have to keep from getting sidelined by the law or getting lynched by religions/angry family members. 60 * 24 = 1200+ 240 = 1440 skeletons or half that number in zombies if you wanted to go that route for whatever reason (all in all seems worse)

And they're not intelligent enough to do fine tasks. I mean, if you allowed that they basically have computers for brains, Computer Science in this day and age would allow them to do more complicated tasks...

Create Undead might be better, but you only have a CL of one, so... you can't use it in this scenario, and spawning undead would be the most feasible but also the most likely to go out of control and eat the world, so... yeah...x.x


Mindrape... eww.... 1/month Mindrape would only be good for very slowly infiltrating an organization for nefarious ends or... unfortunate implications wherein one just drops the mind part... :smalleek: I mean, granted, there's a few places where you'd be able to get to someone worth mindraping without having to go through middlemen, but even with them, the way western society is set up, the organization itself is generally more important.

Mindrape a CEO and how long is he going to be CEO there?

Chipp Zanuff
2010-09-24, 02:36 PM
Body of War.



What?

Caliphbubba
2010-09-24, 02:36 PM
Permanent Image might be fun.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 02:42 PM
Geas/Quest - Get whatever you want as long as you know the right people to give the quest to.
I thought about that, but ultimately it'll only last for a day if the quest is "some open-ended task that the recipient cannot complete through his own actions" and, in any case, anyone who has the power to do something for you probably also has the power to revoke it after it is complete.

You: "Boss, promote me!" *cast*
Boss: "Arg. OK, you're promoted!"
You: "Yay!"
Boss: "Aaaand now you're fired for using magic on me"
You: :smallfrown:

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 02:44 PM
I guess I'll have to take a few trade school courses. Or read a few books on how to build spacecraft or automobiles.

You'd get to be the instant prototype guy in whatever field you wanted.
Cool, cool, or you could BE the spaceship. Even if you built some kind of clean Orion, that still only allows you to putt putt around the solar system. I can go explore all those Earth size planets Kepler
has been finding.

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 02:47 PM
Cool, cool, or you could BE the spaceship. Even if you built some kind of clean Orion, that still only allows you to putt putt around the solar system. I can go explore all those Earth size planets Kepler
has been finding.

How are you going to survive there for a month though...?

Zaydos
2010-09-24, 02:47 PM
Cool, cool, or you could BE the spaceship. Even if you built some kind of clean Orion, that still only allows you to putt putt around the solar system. I can go explore all those Earth size planets Kepler
has been finding.

But with Greater Teleport 1/month you will die on them a horrible, horrible death. Also you need a good detailed description or at least an image so you'd still not be able to get to one of those planets. Also Teleportation Circle is plain better (you can bring more supplies than you can lift, and you can bring more than 1 other creature along also you don't have to come, welcome to Air Teleportation). SLAs don't have material components :smallsmile:

TraadosDarksund
2010-09-24, 02:49 PM
FAMILICIDE!!! nah, that'd be overkill. I'd pick something like prestidigitation, greater teleport or ressurection.

Kumori
2010-09-24, 02:51 PM
One spell of any level, once per month... Hmm... Persistant Expiditious Retreat maybe. What? Nobody said anything about no metamagic: smallbiggrin:

I can't remember the name right now, but a persistant version of the Complete Arcane spell that makes 2d6 + 1 / caster level Unseen Servants would be pretty cool too. Servant Horde or something, I think it is.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 02:53 PM
But with Greater Teleport 1/month you will die on them a horrible, horrible death. Also you need a good detailed description or at least an image so you'd still not be able to get to one of those planets. Also Teleportation Circle is plain better (you can bring more supplies than you can lift, and you can bring more than 1 other creature along also you don't have to come, welcome to Air Teleportation). SLAs don't have material components :smallsmile:
Well... using Teleportation Circle to allow the easy creation of a Moon Base (with each guy carrying as many supplies as possible) would be good.

Also, what would be your Maximum Carrying Capacity in orbit? Or in space? If it is greater than normal, you get a very handy jump-point for planetary colonization :smallamused:

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 02:57 PM
One spell of any level, once per month... Hmm... Persistant Expiditious Retreat maybe. What? Nobody said anything about no metamagic: smallbiggrin:

I can't remember the name right now, but a persistant version of the Complete Arcane spell that makes 2d6 + 1 / caster level Unseen Servants would be pretty cool too. Servant Horde or something, I think it is.

Can't apply normal metamagic to SLAs. Not to mention that you're only CL 1.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 02:58 PM
Not to mention, what, 10 rounds a minute, 10 minutes... 100 people can go through a single casting of teleportation circle. Anywhere, once a month, so long as you get an adequate description of the location.

Dresil
2010-09-24, 03:01 PM
Major Creation. Create a whole heap of silver/gold, whatever, and cash it in at the pawn shop, then run like hell after I get paid.

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 03:02 PM
Not to mention, what, 10 rounds a minute, 10 minutes... 100 people can go through a single casting of teleportation circle. Anywhere, once a month, so long as you get an adequate description of the location.

The question is, is a satellite photo an adequate description? I don't think it is for the planets that are light years away.

Even if it is you'd need to pack so much for a 1 month trip, I'm still not convinced you'd be able to get it all within 10 minutes. It would be awesome for probes though. Would have to be small enough to carry but I think most are anyway.

AustontheGreat1
2010-09-24, 03:03 PM
I'd probably go with True Creation. Once a month I can have anything I want that fits in one cubic foot or less and that I know how to make.

Or maybe Disintegrate. I may only be able to do it once a month, but the world I'm conquering doesn't know that.

Actually, I think I'd have to go with Awaken. First create a posse of intelligent animals and plants. Then turn a profit being an agent and having them star in sitcoms and family comedies.

El Dorado
2010-09-24, 03:03 PM
Time Stop. Wacky hijinks ensue.

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 03:03 PM
How are you going to survive there for a month though...?
Teleport to the ISS for a few months, where my carrying capacity is technically infinite, bringing supplies with each jump, then teleport from there. At the very least I can go to the moon, or Mars. We have an image of at least one exo planet, it is only a matter of time before we get more.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 03:05 PM
Not to mention, what, 10 rounds a minute, 10 minutes... 100 people can go through a single casting of teleportation circle. Anywhere, once a month, so long as you get an adequate description of the location.
Of course, this is a one-way trip and, on Earth at least, transport of people isn't that expensive.

Basically, unless you're using Teleport to move people (carrying things) out of the atmosphere, a 1/mo spell just isn't going to be worth it.

Also: Mind Rape does sound appealing with its ability to Mega Man (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MegaManning) but I still think the side effect of knowing everything about an individual means it's not going to get used with permission very often, and, well, Rape Is A Special Kind of Evil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil).

Zaydos
2010-09-24, 03:06 PM
Actually, I think I'd have to go with Awaken. First create a posse of intelligent animals and plants. Then turn a profit being an agent and having them star in sitcoms and family comedies.

Except that some part of me feels sorry for the exploited animals I think this might be the best idea I've seen.

huttj509
2010-09-24, 03:12 PM
Would a spell line Remove disease cure things like clinical depression or other mental illness, things where the brain chemistry is just a bit off, or would it restore to the normal unmedicated function for that person. What about genetic diseases? Things like Obstructive sleep Apnea (airway closes while sleeping, causing heavily disrupted REM sleep, even if not actually waking the sufferer).

If yes...I'd snag one of those so fast it wouldn't know what happened. Oh man, being able to clear my head and gain some actual well-rested perspective on things? Heck yes!

Sorry bro, you'd need to wait a month for the next casting :-)

Ignition
2010-09-24, 03:13 PM
Man, 1/Month is a terrible limiter.

Since no one said it, though, I'll take Meteor Swarm. :smallbiggrin: I'll take requests from people on the internet and post videos of me blowing stuff up. It'd be like Is It A Good Idea To Microwave This, but on a larger scale!

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 03:15 PM
Major Creation. Create a whole heap of silver/gold, whatever, and cash it in at the pawn shop, then run like hell after I get paid.
Well, 1 cubic foot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/minorCreation.htm) of Gold for 20 minutes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/majorCreation.htm) :smalltongue:

Might as well use True Creation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/spells/trueCreation.htm) to produce tiny bars of Rare Earth Minerals or somesuch :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Actually, the OP created a pretty interesting question. 1/mo + CL 1 + "wishing for more wishes" really opens up the ground a bit.

Lysander
2010-09-24, 03:17 PM
Greater Planar Ally. But this is kinda cheating because you'd get access to all the spells and SLAs of many outsiders. Including raise dead and wish.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 03:19 PM
Greater Planar Ally. But this is kinda cheating because you'd get access to all the spells and SLAs of many outsiders.
I think that falls under the "anyway to get wish (including reality revision), shadow evocation or anyway to reproduce more than one spell [or] gate" prohibition.

Actually, the OP could format the "rules" a bit better perhaps.

Savannah
2010-09-24, 03:20 PM
Speak with animals. I'm a dog trainer.

1/month is kinda rough, but I'd just save it for the hard cases.

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 03:21 PM
Greater Planar Ally. But this is kinda cheating because you'd get access to all the spells and SLAs of many outsiders.
That assumes that the D&D cosmology exists as well as your 1/month SLA. If so, it's a great idea. Otherwise, well we can't get into that on this forum, to put it mildly.

deuxhero
2010-09-24, 03:35 PM
Does Genesis provide a way to access the plane in question?

1/month is really limited, and what are my HD?

Do I take the backlash if I use that Apocalypse (from the sky or something) spell as a SLA?

Kumori
2010-09-24, 03:40 PM
Can't apply normal metamagic to SLAs. Not to mention that you're only CL 1.

True, but you can make a SLA that includes the metamagic effect. Just take a look at the Archmage.


The spell-like ability normally uses a spell slot of the spell’s level, although the archmage can choose to make a spell modified by a metamagic feat into a spell-like ability at the appropriate spell level.

Dante & Vergil
2010-09-24, 03:42 PM
Enervation or Energy Drain. Start a zombie apocolypse.:smallamused: Everyone has around 1hd with 5hd at max so wights will be running rampant.

Kumori
2010-09-24, 03:46 PM
Enervation or Energy Drain. Start a zombie apocolypse.:smallamused: Everyone has around 1hd with 5hd at max so wights will be running rampant.

With no way to control them you'd make one an d it would kill you.

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 03:48 PM
I'll try to format the rules better.


True, but you can make a SLA that includes the metamagic effect. Just take a look at the Archmage.

Sorry I didn't realize you were an Archmage IRL:smallbiggrin:

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 03:50 PM
With no way to control them you'd make one an d it would kill you.
Yeah, what's the fun of setting the world ablaze if you can't watch it burn.:smallannoyed:

Ryu_Bonkosi
2010-09-24, 03:50 PM
I would have to go with mind-rape, because of most of the reasons listed so far. Also it can get you out of tight situations if you know how to use it right.

Kumori
2010-09-24, 03:52 PM
I'll try to format the rules better.



Sorry I didn't realize you were an Archmage IRL:smallbiggrin:

I lol-ed.
I thought the idea was for us to be creative.... :smallsmile:

Well, metamagic aside I might go with warp wood. That could be fun to play with...

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 03:57 PM
To those that are saying mindrape: that is just evil though...I mean, it has rape right there in the word. The last time we had an alignment thread I don't remember anyone claiming to be evil.:smallconfused:

I added an addendum and reformatted the rules.
Since some people seem to like prestidigitation and such, 0 level spells will be castable 6 times a day instead of 1/month.

Vemynal
2010-09-24, 03:59 PM
greater teleport for me as well

Dante & Vergil
2010-09-24, 03:59 PM
With no way to control them you'd make one an d it would kill you.

I have 1d4 rounds to get the hell out of dodge.

Zaydos
2010-09-24, 04:00 PM
To those that are saying mindrape: that is just evil though...I mean, it has rape right there in the word. The last time we had an alignment thread I don't remember anyone claiming to be evil.:smallconfused:

I added an addendum and reformatted the rules.

Hey I said Programmed Amnesia! And said I can be evil (don't listen to my friends, they LIE!).

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 04:02 PM
I added an addendum and reformatted the rules.
Heh, well now Prestigidation looks like a very good deal. I mean, it's pretty much all the minor magic anyone has ever wanted.

Still, I'll stick with Regenerate :smallcool:

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 04:05 PM
I have 1d4 rounds to get the hell out of dodge. So, at most, 24 seconds. Maybe 6. You don't know.
Also, and I can not emphasize this enough . . .
YOU JUST MURDERED SOMEONE!

Ignition
2010-09-24, 04:06 PM
Regenerate 24d6 Fire damage at level 1 and I'll be impressed, O_H :smallwink:

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 04:12 PM
How to make money at True Creation. Because most exotic forms of matter are not going to be able to be contained safely with a range of 0 feet from the caster. Prices in USD.

Gold: 1 Cubic Foot. weight of Gold in one cubic foot: 1206 pounds (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_one_cubic_inch_of_gold_weigh)

Cost of gold: $1,228.30 per troy ounce as of December, 2009 in New York Trading. (http://www.metalmarkets.org.uk/2010/08/17/gold-prices-rise-as-usd-weakens/)

Troy ounces per pound: 1 pound = 14.5833333 troy ounces (http://www.google.com/search?q=1+pound+in+troy+ounces&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en)

Number of troy ounces: 17587.5

Amount of money per month from True Creation with CL 1 creating 1 cubic foot of gold: $21,602,726.20

A year: $259,232,714

This is barring taking the bottom out of the market. Though, to be honest, that little gold being added to the market once a month is less than what the mines of the world probably add to the gold supply. (http://money.howstuffworks.com/question213.htm)


Platinum:
Weight in one cubic foot of platinum: 1218 pounds

Cost per troy ounce (http://www.platinum.matthey.com/pgm-prices/price-charts/): $1585.83 per troy ounce monthly average for 2010 from January to August (as in, the only complete months we have so far.

Troy ounces: 17,762.5

Per Month: $28,168,305.40

Per Annum: $338,019,665


Potentials: Scandium (http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele021.html): If a market could be created for it. "With a cost of $270 per gram ($122,500 per pound), scandium is too expensive for widespread use."

Rhodium (http://217.158.75.181/html/faq.htm#11): $200 per gram = $90,718.47 per pound.

Lutetium (http://217.158.75.181/html/faq.htm#11): $100 per gram = $45,359.24 per pound.

Some SI figures (http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_metals.htm) on the mass per cubic meter of various substances.

Some avoirdupois pounds (http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Bepler-Handy-Manual-Of-Knowledge/Weight-Of-A-Cubic-Foot-Of-Earth-Stone-Metal-Wood-Etc.html) cubic feet weights. Which, err, is the standard pound the U.S. uses, I believe. :smallconfused:

My math may be a bit off, as may be the base figures I used.

Basically though, you want things that have a high value and high density so that you get more of it in one cubic foot.

Kobold-Bard
2010-09-24, 04:13 PM
To those that are saying mindrape: that is just evil though...I mean, it has rape right there in the word. The last time we had an alignment thread I don't remember anyone claiming to be evil.:smallconfused:

I added an addendum and reformatted the rules.

Hell in that case Prestidigitation every time :smallcool:

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 04:15 PM
Heh, well now Prestigidation looks like a very good deal. I mean, it's pretty much all the minor magic anyone has ever wanted.
Indeed. 6 hours a day is practically unlimited. It'd probably be the most fun of any of them since you could use it so often. Still, I think I'd stick with mass heal.



Also, and I can not emphasize this enough . . .
YOU JUST MURDERED SOMEONE!

I lol'd. But seriously is this thread pulling the [evil] people out of the woodwork or are they just kidding. I can't tell...

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 04:16 PM
Hell in that case Prestidigitation every time :smallcool:

Wat? :smallconfused: Edit-ninja'd!


To those that are saying mindrape: that is just evil though...I mean, it has rape right there in the word. The last time we had an alignment thread I don't remember anyone claiming to be evil.:smallconfused:

I added an addendum and reformatted the rules.

It's mostly all of the utility that's crammed into the one spell. People want versatility in their 1/month I WIN button.

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 04:18 PM
I lol'd. But seriously is this thread pulling the [evil] people out of the woodwork or are they just kidding. I can't tell...
Agreed. This thread is like fly paper for the busy buzzing flies of injustice and evil doing.

JonestheSpy
2010-09-24, 04:21 PM
I find the number of people saying they'd go with such a blatantly evil nasty spell like Mindrape to be rather disturbing. We're imagining a real-life thing here, you know? Though I admit the merry hell that could be raised with Baleful Polymorph is awfully tempting. Imagine the headlines:

Justin Beiber Turns Into Wombat in Middle of Concert
Details at 11

The short range would make it problematic though.

I'd probably feel morally obligated to go with Mass Heal - able to cure cancer, AIDs, schizophrenia and the rest? Hard not to.

Octopus Jack
2010-09-24, 04:25 PM
Polymorph any object, even if limited to real life creatures it would be very fun :smallsmile:

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 04:26 PM
Regenerate 24d6 Fire damage at level 1 and I'll be impressed, O_H :smallwink:
Hey, I'm not going to fight with Regenerate - I'm going to be a one-man Super Surgeon!

"Ruined organs" covers a lot - including quite possibly nerve damage. But it also fixes eyes (damaged by injury), missing limbs, miscellaneous organ damage (lungs, kidneys, etc.). And it regrows all such organs on the target.

Heck, even at one person per month that's doing a lot of Good.

Good for which I will be well compensated...

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 04:30 PM
Hey, I'm not going to fight with Regenerate - I'm going to be a one-man Super Surgeon!

"Ruined organs" covers a lot - including quite possibly nerve damage. But it also fixes eyes (damaged by injury), missing limbs, miscellaneous organ damage (lungs, kidneys, etc.). And it regrows all such organs on the target.

Heck, even at one person per month that's doing a lot of Good.

Good for which I will be well compensated...

And allows minor organ farming.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 04:32 PM
And allows minor organ farming.
Is that a small amount of organ farming, or the organ farming of minors? :smallconfused:

...I mean, still Good! Definitely not Evil! <_<

TurtleKing
2010-09-24, 04:33 PM
Mass Heal is usable once per month, but what about cure minor?
With Cure Minor you could do quite well at stablising people and handling all those cuts and bruises.

Nurses/ Paramedics/ Rescue Workers: Cure Minor

Guides: Know Direction

Day Care Worker: Lullaby, Cure Minor

Thief: Open/ Close

Muscician: Summon Instrument

Chef/ Cook/ Nutrionist: Purify Food and Drink

Torturer: Inflict Minor wounds

Farmers: Create Water

Mage Hand, Mending, Message (who needs a phone), and Prestidigitation each are useful to anyone. These are just 0-level spells that could be used 6 times per day.

Personally its between Mage Hand and Cure Minor has to what I'll chose.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 04:33 PM
Is that a small amount of organ farming, or the organ farming of minors? :smallconfused:

...I mean, still Good! Definitely not Evil! <_<

I mean, if someone has a bum liver but two working kidneys, you can remove the kidneys for others since he'll get both kidneys back with the casting of regenerate.

True Creation Ramblings... Gems:
Hmm, gems would be even more valuable, since 1 cubic foot is a honking big one.

For now, I'm just going to examine Rubies due to being the most valuable and densest gemstone I'm familiar with. And not being diamonds.

4.05 is the specific gravity max of corundum, or ruby. So 4.05 times the density of an equivalent volume of water.

1 (cubic meter) = 35.3146667 cubic feet

1 liter = 0.001 cubic meters or 1 (cubic meter) = 1000 liters. Water = 1 kg to 1L. Ruby = 4.05 kg/1L (?)

So 1000 liters * 4.05 kg/L = 4050 kg of ruby in 1 cubic meter.

4050kg/35.3146667 = 114.683229 kg per 1 cubic foot. or 114.7 (my significant figures rounding might be off, might just be 115)

1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pounds so... multiply kilograms by number of pounds...

2.20462262 * 114.683229 = 252.833241 pounds or 253 or 252.8 pounds of ruby.

but carats what we use to measure value, so...

1 carat = 200 milligrams. "The carat is a unit of mass equal to 200 mg (0.007055 oz), and it is used for measuring gemstones and pearls." - Da Wiki.

114.683229 kg * 1000 g/kg = 114683.229 grams (or 115,000 grams).

.2 grams per carat or 5 carats per gram. So multiply by five.

573,416.145 or 575,000 carats.

Price by carat is fuzzy (http://www.ruby-sapphire.com/r-s-bk-prices.htm)so... this is going to be a conservative estimate.

144K–225K USD per carat. for an exceptional stone of untreated nature that is of over 5 carats. This is conservative due to pricing not following a linear function when sizing up in carats.

Also, will just go with 200K USD for simplicity's sake. $200,000 * 573,000 (rounded down) = $114,600,000,000. For one month's use of it.

Would recommend against diamonds due to the assassins and reduction in price that secondhand diamonds have.

Though, you'd probably have to get it cut into many smaller and less valuable stones and waste in order for it to be salable.

A discussion of rare metals... (http://www.curiousnotions.com/home/metals.asp)

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 04:34 PM
Polymorph any object, even if limited to real life creatures it would be very fun :smallsmile:

You'd have to stay in that form for a week to a month (permanent technically, until you can use it again to change back to human) though I think. That'd be a little scary. I'd worry about getting mistaken and shot or something as a pest or eaten by another animal.

Ignition
2010-09-24, 04:35 PM
Pffff... who said anything about you getting a chance to fight? :smallwink:

Also, wait a second, me having the ability to cause things to explode into tiny itty bitty pieces that will have to get glued back together IN HELL! and then get set on fire isn't worse than mindrape and using True Creation to destroy the world economy?

I like this moral system! Bring on that Meteor Swarm! :smallbiggrin:

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 04:36 PM
I mean, if someone has a bum liver but two working kidneys, you can remove the kidneys for others since he'll get both kidneys back with the casting of regenerate.
Well, selling organs is still illegal, so that's not really viable. Plus I'm not certain whether Regenerate would heal scaring (the epidermis is an organ, no?).

EDIT: @Ignition - Magic is a tool like any other; how you use it matters. But for some magic, like Mind Rape, the casting of the spell will invariably violate Good principles; downloading every memory of an unwilling individual cannot be said to be respectful of the dignity of sentient beings.

It may not necessarily always be strictly Evil, but a sniff test says that it is going to so frequently that it is identical to being Evil.

Toliudar
2010-09-24, 04:37 PM
How about Mass Awaken?

Make the most skilled trained dog act ever.

Completely mess up biologists with your army of talking trees.

Make millions by having an actual talking gekko take over from that annoying CGI creation.

Bring the cause of animal rights forward fifty years with an entire litter of cats that graduate from law school.

Finally figure out what humpback whales are REALLY saying.

randomhero00
2010-09-24, 04:37 PM
Well, selling organs is still illegal, so that's not really viable. Plus I'm not certain whether Regenerate would heal scaring (the epidermis is an organ, no?).

Yes, our skin is our largest organ.

Lysander
2010-09-24, 04:38 PM
Simulacrum. Then I'd go buy a bunch of dinosaur bones. MUAHAHAHAHAAAA.

Ignition
2010-09-24, 04:39 PM
How about Mass Awaken?

Relevant (http://threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2008-12-02) :smallbiggrin:

Shademan
2010-09-24, 04:42 PM
Miracle
obviously

Zaydos
2010-09-24, 04:43 PM
How about Mass Awaken?

Make the most skilled trained dog act ever.

Completely mess up biologists with your army of talking trees.

I'm a bio major and I want this bad. Although I get the feeling I wouldn't like having my cats talk back to me.

TurtleKing
2010-09-24, 04:44 PM
Sure use that Meteor Storm, and I'll capture you to slowly kill you with Inflict Minor Wounds. While Meteor Storm can be used once/month; Inflict Minor could be used 6/day. Inflict Minor used over a month that way could deal 180 damage while Meteor Storm does a fiery 24 to 144 damage. The power actually lies in the cantrips and orisons that can be used a lot more often.

Oracle_Hunter
2010-09-24, 04:45 PM
Simulacrum. Then I'd go buy a bunch of dinosaur bones. MUAHAHAHAHAAAA.
Those are stone, having been mineralized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineralization_(biology)).

Kobold-Bard
2010-09-24, 04:46 PM
Miracle
obviously

I think we can all agree that Miracle breaks the "no replicating many spells" rule.

Draz74
2010-09-24, 04:47 PM
Totally throwing my vote in with the OP:

Hypercognition. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

(My initial reaction was "Scholar's Touch!" ... but it's not that awesome if it's 1/month. 1/day would be sweet though.)

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 04:54 PM
The use of PAO is 1) to fix any damage to your body (and potentially aging, depends on the DM), and 2) get a fresh start.

Just sell all your property and turn it into cash when you want a new start and PAO a new body. If you want your old body dead, PAO a small animal (mammal) into a dead copy of your body (complete with brain aneurysm or heart attack) and you have a body.

With PAO you can also do some other very nice things.
1) Create a (to all appearances) fully legitimate birth certificate. Then go to the DMV/MVA and get a drivers license. Then use both to get a Passport.
2) Turn 100 cubic feet of paper (or plant material) into $20 bills. Sure, you have to go and cut the big sheet into individual bills but that is still millions of dollars per month.
3)The ultimate untraceable weapon. Turn a piece of grass into a few pounds of C4. It detonates and within 20 minutes there is no trace of the explosives. You might even be able to get away with creating a fully functioning nuke, although it will only last 2 days to a week. But no fallout afterward (it all goes away when the spell wares off).

Yeah, for me it's PAO or Mind Rape.

Pres. would be nice but it's nothing more than a convenience spell really. Although it is in my top 5 choices.

MarkusWolfe
2010-09-24, 04:58 PM
Meteorswarm.

'Nuff said.

Thrawn183
2010-09-24, 05:00 PM
Why don't you create a sliding scale for how often spells can be cast. I'm thinking of the 10-spell level per day threads. That way cure light wounds wouldn't be ridiculously inferior to cure minor wounds.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 05:10 PM
Well, selling organs is still illegal, so that's not really viable. Plus I'm not certain whether Regenerate would heal scaring (the epidermis is an organ, no?).

EDIT: @Ignition - Magic is a tool like any other; how you use it matters. But for some magic, like Mind Rape, the casting of the spell will invariably violate Good principles; downloading every memory of an unwilling individual cannot be said to be respectful of the dignity of sentient beings.

It may not necessarily always be strictly Evil, but a sniff test says that it is going to so frequently that it is identical to being Evil.

No, you couldn't sell them. Err, in the U.S. anyway, but you would maximize good by producing further organs for donation in addition to the ones you're fixing in the targeted person.

As I said, you would not appreciably destabilize the world economy if one went about it intelligently. Though, since the world's production of gold would fit into a cube with about 14 feet on a side (http://money.howstuffworks.com/question213.htm)... You could almost double the world's yearly production of gold if that's all you did with it. But that's boring and not as valuable as it could be.

Plus, not in your interest to just spam one thing and flood the market. No, you want to maximize profits by making it so you can do it again and again with a variety of things.

And making gold less valuable isn't as bad as it would be back when the money supply was based on gold.


Bring the cause of animal rights forward fifty years with an entire litter of cats that graduate from law school.

Is awakened heritable? :smallconfused:

Unrest
2010-09-24, 05:10 PM
Ice Assassin.

Of God.

I'd liike to see that.

Jack_Simth
2010-09-24, 05:12 PM
I have 1d4 rounds to get the hell out of dodge.Half a day, actually; it's only when a wight kills something that the 1d4 rounds kick in. If you just kill it with energy drain, it rises "the next night (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#energyDrainAndNegativeLevels)"


As to those suggesting spells that affect others directly in a hostile manner:
Spell-Like abilities: How do you know what the save DC is, and how do you know what people's respective saves are? This could backfire with the save-or-lose spells. BADLY.

As to the OP:
For ultimate flexibility? Polymorph Any Object wins out for me (just barely, though), as it's as flexible as you can get with the rules as listed. Direct offense? Possible when you need it (turn the target into something harmless). Longevity? Turn yourself into a younger you. People wondering about that young person who's been living there for fifty years? Turn yourself into a different you. Need money? Find a quarry and a foundry. Turn 100 cubic feet of granite into 100 cubic feet of iron (Kingdom, Size, Intelligence match - Permanent). Done. (and you haven't cheated anybody... except maybe iron miners).

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 05:21 PM
2) Turn 100 cubic feet of paper (or plant material) into $20 bills. Sure, you have to go and cut the big sheet into individual bills but that is still millions of dollars per month..

Also, you could turn, say, copper into gold permanently. Or possibly graphite into diamond. Mineral +5, related: carbon +2, same size: +2

Or Nickel into Platinum. Mineral +5 Metal +2 Related: +2 same size: +2

Or Hydrogen into Helium Mineral +5 Gas +2 Size +2 and then from helium into any of the more valuable noble gases.

Or Lead into Radium Mineral +5 Metal +2 Related +2 Size +2 and then into Uranium or possibly straight into Uranium.

Hmm, yes, I'd say PAO is superior to True Creation due to its versatility.

And since it's ranged, you don't have to be touching it. So more corrosive substances can be created.

Ooo, or turn crappy lumber into really, really valuable lumber.

d'oh.

ArcanistSupreme
2010-09-24, 05:21 PM
I'm gonna have to go with prestidigitation. I would never have to shower, do laundry, wash dishes, do any other household chores, waste time cooking good food, or spend money on aforementioned good food.

Sitting next to someone smelly on the bus? Bam! They're clean. Tired of the color of your car? Zap! It's chartreuse. See a penny on the ground but too lazy to bend over to pick it up? Poof! It floats up to your hand. Girlfriend's cooking tastes awful but you don't want to hurt her feelings? Shazam! It tastes like (good) chicken. If you are feeling particularly chivalrous, you can even make her food taste good too. :smallbiggrin:

There isn't much about this spell that I don't find awesome.

Jack_Simth
2010-09-24, 05:28 PM
Also, you could turn, say, copper into gold permanently. Or possibly graphite into diamond. It Does Not Work That Way (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/polymorphAnyObject.htm)
This spell cannot create material of great intrinsic value, such as copper, silver, gems, silk, gold, platinum, mithral, or adamantine. It also cannot reproduce the special properties of cold iron in order to overcome the damage reduction of certain creatures.

But seriously, 100 cubic feet of steel from some other mineral will do you quite well, really.

One Step Two
2010-09-24, 05:31 PM
See, people theorising about selling rare materials is silly, people will begin to question such things in high amounts. Something you can sell that is awesome, using both Polymorph any object or True Creation that's worth as much, if not more than gold for it's weight? Saffron.

Use PaO to turn grass cuttings into Saffron, claim to farm the stuff, one cubic foot for a large production facility, while uncommon, is much more easily accepted than walking up to someone with a perfect 1 foot cube of unminted, but properly refined gold.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 05:38 PM
See, people theorising about selling rare materials is silly, people will begin to question such things in high amounts. Something you can sell that is awesome, using both Polymorph any object or True Creation that's worth as much, if not more than gold for it's weight? Saffron.

Use PaO to turn grass cuttings into Saffron, claim to farm the stuff, one cubic foot for a large production facility, while uncommon, is much more easily accepted than walking up to someone with a perfect 1 foot cube of unminted, but properly refined gold.

Gold is much more easily liquidable than saffron, even when there is not a gold craze going on that has arguably raised the price of gold per pound above that of saffron.

Heck, you could sell the gold as scrap by passing it off as destroyed fragments of something else due to its easy workability .

Also, you just admitted yourself that you have to set up a business to sell the saffron you make. Which, well is nice and all, but could be a bit of a hassle with all of the strings there.

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 05:38 PM
See, people theorising about selling rare materials is silly, people will begin to question such things in high amounts. Something you can sell that is awesome, using both Polymorph any object or True Creation that's worth as much, if not more than gold for it's weight? Saffron.

Use PaO to turn grass cuttings into Saffron, claim to farm the stuff, one cubic foot for a large production facility, while uncommon, is much more easily accepted than walking up to someone with a perfect 1 foot cube of unminted, but properly refined gold.

Who does a 1 cubic foot block? You make it bullion or coin, specifically in the design of some ancient nation, with but a 1 molecule wide piece connecting each coin/bar, and then claim to have found it in a sunken ship/back yard/wherever.

You are also totally ignoring the black market.

You can also do 1 cubic foot of 100 dollar bills, diamonds, super advanced alloys, and other valuable items.

The problem with TC is that all it gets you is money. Other spells get you money (potentially much more money in the case of PAO) and have other uses.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 05:40 PM
Who does a 1 cubic foot block? You make it bullion or coin, specifically in the design of some ancient nation, with but a 1 molecule wide piece connecting each coin/bar, and then claim to have found it in a sunken ship/back yard/wherever.

Haha, or think even better than I can and cut straight to the heart of the matter.

Jack_Simth
2010-09-24, 06:13 PM
Gold is much more easily liquidable than saffron, even when there is not a gold craze going on that has arguably raised the price of gold per pound above that of saffron.

Heck, you could sell the gold as scrap by passing it off as destroyed fragments of something else due to its easy workability .

Also, you just admitted yourself that you have to set up a business to sell the saffron you make. Which, well is nice and all, but could be a bit of a hassle with all of the strings there.
You'd need True Creation to do the Saffron thing, because of an annoying (but good for the game) clause in Polymorph Any Object restricting things of high inherent value. If it's more valuable than silk, it's not accessible, sorry. But turning an aluminum can into 100 cubic feet of aluminum? Totally within the rules for PaO. And you're not even cheating anyone when you do it (it'll last forever, as a Permanent effect). 100 cubic feet of aluminum is about 7.5 tons - and it runs at a few grand per ton. Get mineral rights to a useless chunk of land out in the middle of nowhere (or better: get a license to make a recycling plant), make 7 tons of aluminum the first month, sell it off two tons at a time, make another main ignot every three months, keep selling two tons a month. Use the other two uses in your cycle time period for whatever.

Soren Hero
2010-09-24, 06:48 PM
Simulacrum. Then I'd go buy a bunch of dinosaur bones. MUAHAHAHAHAAAA.

id go simulacrum as well, but for different reasons...id try to accumulate simulacrums of every expert in various fields, and have them working non-stop on different projects...id get the best doctors, physicists, chemists, engineers, etc...with around the clock research and development, i would try to find cures for the every major disease, cancer, malady...i would also try to invent new things with my intelligent minions...muhahahaha!!!

if i needed some money, i could clone important figures (aka the President) and loan him out to the government as a body double, or stand-in...seriously, what country wouldn't pay millions for that service?

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 06:54 PM
id go simulacrum as well, but for different reasons...id try to accumulate simulacrums of every expert in various fields, and have them working non-stop on different projects...id get the best doctors, physicists, chemists, engineers, etc...with around the clock research and development, i would try to find cures for the every major disease, cancer, malady...i would also try to invent new things with my intelligent minions...muhahahaha!!!

Depending... Hmm. You could create a simulacrum of anyone with 2 HD, but not someone with 1 HD? Or would you create a half HD like a cat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm)or something?

And they'd have the skill ranks of someone with 1 HD, so... only slightly less skilled than the level 2 variant they were made off of.

Unless the best are 3 HD equivalent or higher. But that gets into confusing stuff.

What sort of tactile sensations do simulacra have, anyway? They're formed of ice but don't melt and are illusory doubles.... Would touching one for prolonged periods cause frostbite even though it wouldn't feel cold? :smallconfused:

With PAO though, you can create life and heal/prolong the life/de-age many at the top of their field, though what you could get out of them would require finagling and/or contracts.

And who even knows what price one could set on a new 60 years to live life over again...

Oooo! Glibness! Such fun one could have with that. For a short period of time, haha.

Edit: Do the rules ever discuss what's up with fractional hit dice?

Soren Hero
2010-09-24, 07:01 PM
Depending... Hmm. You could create a simulacrum of anyone with 2 HD, but not someone with 1 HD? Or would you create a half HD like a cat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm)or something?

And they'd have the skill ranks of someone with 1 HD, so... only slightly less skilled than the level 2 variant they were made off of.

Unless the best are 3 HD equivalent or higher. But that gets into confusing stuff.

What sort of tactile sensations do simulacra have, anyway? They're formed of ice but don't melt and are illusory doubles.... Would touching one for prolonged periods cause frostbite even though it wouldn't feel cold? :smallconfused:

i guess the hardest thing to figure out is what HD or level would things be IRL...ive seen articles that puts average people around level 1 or 2 with the 'exceptional' people (like Einstein) being aroud level 4 or 5...if this was the case, then having simulacrums of these people would mean they were only half as good as they would be IRL...as far as "tactile sensations" go, im not sure...i don't think they feel cold if they were touched, but it can be recognized by people who are "familiar" with it by making a DC 20 check (Spot or Sense Motive), which is a pretty hard check to make if most people are level 1 or 2...if someone realizes that it isnt real, i guess it would look like ice or something

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 07:06 PM
i guess the hardest thing to figure out is what HD or level would things be IRL...ive seen articles that puts average people around level 1 or 2 with the 'exceptional' people (like Einstein) being aroud level 4 or 5...if this was the case, then having simulacrums of these people would mean they were only half as good as they would be IRL...as far as "tactile sensations" go, im not sure...i don't think they feel cold if they were touched, but it can be recognized by people who are "familiar" with it by making a DC 20 check (Spot or Sense Motive), which is a pretty hard check to make if most people are level 1 or 2...if someone realizes that it isnt real, i guess it would look like ice or something

No, if they're 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th level, you can't make a simulacrum of them with a CL of only 1.

A simulacrum of a 2 HD creature would be a 1 HD creature, meaning it could only have 4 ranks put into a skill instead of 5. The ability scores would be the same though, so the bonuses of a knowledge skill would only go down by 1 in the case of such as simulacrum.

I don't know if you can make simulacra with fractional HD. I assume yes, as otherwise you could not create a simulacrum of a cat for a technicality of it having a fractional HD already. But I don't know how the rules adjudicate skill ranks and such.

You also could not make a simulacrum of a shark (3 HD for a medium shark) or a rhino (8 HD) or of a horse (3 HD) or of a bear (black at the lowest is 3 HD).

The spot check is dependent upon your disguise skill. So, depending upon how good one is at costuming and such, one's simulacra could look perfect or... Bizarro....

Edit: Charm Monster Mass lets 2 1 HD people (or anything that adds up to 2 HD, like 4 cats) be your friend for a day. Or a single anything with no HD limit will be your friend for one day.

Dante & Vergil
2010-09-24, 08:23 PM
So, at most, 24 seconds. Maybe 6. You don't know.
Also, and I can not emphasize this enough . . .
YOU JUST MURDERED SOMEONE!

I should have said this before but I was just kidding. I thought I put it in the post you quoted but it looks like that it didn't take. Oh well.:smalleek:

Ravens_cry
2010-09-24, 08:35 PM
I should have said this before but I was just kidding. I thought I put it in the post you quoted but it looks like that it didn't take. Oh well.:smalleek:
Oh, no worries. Still, when talking about spells you would want in real life, mentioning spells that can directly kill people does come off as a little creepy. Butthen, so does my saying, "Yeah, what's the fun of setting the world ablaze if you can't watch it burn.:smallannoyed:"

Dante & Vergil
2010-09-24, 08:41 PM
Oh, no worries. Still, when talking about spells you would want in real life, mentioning spells that can directly kill people does come off as a little creepy. Butthen, so does my saying, "Yeah, what's the fun of setting the world ablaze if you can't watch it burn.:smallannoyed:"

Oh it's understandable. And PAO would probably be my favorite. Turn into a winged me. Now it's permanent!:smallcool:

Tetrasodium
2010-09-24, 08:57 PM
Assuming we could ignore exp costs and others are getting spells too, permanency is a strong contender. Those two guys over there might be able to make a teleportation circle to the moon & back or a distant star & back, I'm the one who makes one of them permanent every month ;)... how much XP do you get for interstellar exploration?

Failing that... it's a toss up between live forever & be anything PaO & make friends and learn everything anyone knows 1/month mindrape.

Jack_Simth
2010-09-24, 09:02 PM
Assuming we could ignore exp costsPer the definition of spell-like abilities, we can.
and others are getting spells too,An iffy one, that.
permanency is a strong contenderAh... not really. In order to make any use of it under this set of circumstances, you'd have to find the ... one or two? People who picked a spell that can be made permanent.
. Those two guys over there might be able to make a teleportation circle to the moon & back or a distant star & back, I'm the one who makes one of them permanent every month ;)... how much XP do you get for interstellar exploration?Undefined.
Failing that... it's a toss up between live forever & be anything PaO & make friends and learn everything anyone knows 1/month mindrape.The dark side is strong in this one... but he still knows something of balance.

Oh it's understandable. And PAO would probably be my favorite. Turn into a winged me. Now it's permanent!:smallcool:
Are you sure you want to draw that kind of attention? Remember, this isn't one you can turn on and off at will....

FelixG
2010-09-24, 09:07 PM
Either

Mind Rape

or

Major Creation

lsfreak
2010-09-24, 09:09 PM
To those that are saying mindrape: that is just evil though...I mean, it has rape right there in the word. The last time we had an alignment thread I don't remember anyone claiming to be evil.:smallconfused:

Just that it has the [Evil] tag doesn't mean it has to be used in an evil way. My first three uses would be spent on a few people I know, and thus gaining perfect fluency (or, at the very least, ability to read and understand if not speak) German, Irish, Russian, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Classical Arabic, Farsi, and for the sake of completeness Aramaic, Syric, and Coptic. I wouldn't change any of them in any way, and if I had the option (the spell doesn't cover it), wouldn't glean any information from them except this.

It's certainly no more evil that Dominate Person, which pretty much *can't* be used in a non-evil way (no matter what, you are overriding the person's entire free will). In addition to mere information-gathering (which I presume could also be used to give others information, too, it's not 100% clear), there's things far more subtle and less intrusive that domination, such as subtlety altering a politician's opinion so that instead of being neutral/ignorant/unknown on a topic, they 'come to the conclusion' that a certain cause is worth supporting. Then there's things that are more clearly 'evil, but for a good cause,' like altering the moral outlook of a corrupt politician/businessman, for example.

FelixG
2010-09-24, 09:11 PM
To those that are saying mindrape: that is just evil though...I mean, it has rape right there in the word. The last time we had an alignment thread I don't remember anyone claiming to be evil.:smallconfused:

I added an addendum and reformatted the rules.

I never claimed to be a good person!

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 09:12 PM
Yeah, that's my problem with most of the spells.

You have to pick something that can be kept quiet.

PAO is really probably your best bet.
-Unlimited wealth (more than True Creation will give you)
-Immortality
-Healing
-New Identity
-Exotic items (nothing is stopping you from turning a chunk of rock into a top of the line laptop, for example)
-Untraceable offensive ability (just PAO a guy into air, it lasts a week and by the time it wears off he has been spread across thousands of miles)
-Enhanced abilities (PAO into an Olympic athlete level body)

Mind Rape is the only other spell that really compares, and that looses out on immortality and unlimited, easy, wealth.

Tetrasodium
2010-09-24, 09:12 PM
The dark side is strong in this one... but he still knows something of balance.

There are plenty of masochists, submissives, and generally naughty kinky folks who would be happy to let someone into their brain if it meant being able to safely & easily (or legally) have perfect "memories" of their biggest fantasies ;). Plenty of other good possibilities without even getting into anything evil too, PTSS? Rape victim? Experience something horrible?... or maybe you just had a nice dinner on a date where you didn't really click :).

Demons_eye
2010-09-24, 09:22 PM
Transcend Mortality, go out like a badass :smallcool:

Zaydos
2010-09-24, 09:26 PM
Transcend Mortality, go out like a badass :smallcool:

I AM A GO- /heart attack.

For 6 seconds you too can be a badass.

onthetown
2010-09-24, 09:26 PM
Suggestion. I was going to say Charm or Dominate, but I rarely have situations where I absolutely need to be liked by another person and Dominate just isn't subtle enough for my tastes.

However, being able to cast a spell and say, "I suggest that you give me a raise," would be a plus.

Demons_eye
2010-09-24, 09:27 PM
I AM A GO- /heart attack.

For 6 seconds you too can be a badass.

That's all you need my friend.

Yahzi
2010-09-24, 09:45 PM
Zone of Truth.

Then I'd start attending lots of political speeches.

:smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

Also, trials. Arguably this would do more good for more people than even Mass Heal.

Draz74
2010-09-24, 09:56 PM
Mass Heal? Hmmm.

"I wonder what's the best cure for AIDS that could be invented."

/manifest Hypercognition

"Oh, ok. Time to go publish a paper that will revolutionize the medical practice. No, that's ok, I don't want the Nobel prize; give it to someone who worked harder than me."

Zone of Truth (as a tool for political reform)? Hmmm.

"I wonder what's the ideal political system for our society's benefit."

/manifest Hypercognition

One month later ...

"I wonder what's the best way to popularize my utopian political system to enough of the populace to make changes start happening?"

/manifest Hypercognition

Start some kind of pamphlet or ad campaign, then sit back and enjoy the ride.

...

How to keep yourself safely anonymous with all these ideas you're publishing? Clean renewable energy? The perfect nutritional diet? The most entertaining possible professional sport to invent? How to effectively colonize other planets? Pointless philosophical debates? World food distribution? International border disputes and racial feuds? Rules for the most entertaining possible RPG system? All the implications of general relativity theory?

Solve each of these problems, at a rate of 1/month, via Hypercognition. I really think that sounds cozier than the more direct control (and potential temptation for abuse) of things like Polymorph Any Object or Mindrape.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 09:57 PM
^: I'm guessing you're taking advantage of this clause?
or even a conclusion concerning a dilemma that your conscious mind is unable to arrive at.


Oh, no worries. Still, when talking about spells you would want in real life, mentioning spells that can directly kill people does come off as a little creepy. Butthen, so does my saying, "Yeah, what's the fun of setting the world ablaze if you can't watch it burn.:smallannoyed:"

Hey, self-defense is a perfectly legitimate use of magic. Granted, once a month offensive capabilities abilities would be more suited to the assassin than to the honest citizen...

Hmm, are there any spells that are basically upgraded versions of nightmare, where you can basically pull off a Death Note?


Major Creation
Why would you want a more limited form of True Creation that's impermanent?


Just that it has the [Evil] tag doesn't mean it has to be used in an evil way. My first three uses would be spent on a few people I know, and thus gaining perfect fluency (or, at the very least, ability to read and understand if not speak) German, Irish, Russian, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Classical Arabic, Farsi, and for the sake of completeness Aramaic, Syric, and Coptic. I wouldn't change any of them in any way, and if I had the option (the spell doesn't cover it), wouldn't glean any information from them except this.

Hmm, indeed, I hadn't thought of that sort of utility. Then again, I know myself at least somewhat, and... the temptation to push the reset button on my relationships is more than I would really ever want to deal with.

Heh, never even thought of that language fluency thing though.

What's the range on mindrape anyway? And how obvious would it be that you're doing something with it as an SLA?

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 10:17 PM
Hey, self-defense is a perfectly legitimate use of magic. Granted, once a month offensive capabilities abilities would be more suited to the assassin than to the honest citizen...

Hmm, are there any spells that are basically upgraded versions of nightmare, where you can basically pull off a Death Note?
Ice Assassin is your best bet.


Hmm, indeed, I hadn't thought of that sort of utility. Then again, I know myself at least somewhat, and... the temptation to push the reset button on my relationships is more than I would really ever want to deal with.

Heh, never even thought of that language fluency thing though.
Your first use of Mind Rape can be using it on yourself to make yourself better.

I would actually be doing it to myself every few months to remove excess memories from others that I have no desire for.


What's the range on mindrape anyway? And how obvious would it be that you're doing something with it as an SLA?
Close I believe, and not obvious at all. Verbal and Somatic. But nothing is stopping you from getting a metamagiced version (stilled, silent) as your SLA.

KellKheraptis
2010-09-24, 10:20 PM
PAO or Shapechange, if nothing else to get a form to snag Ice Assassin. Go big or go home :P Oh, and then go SSJ4 just because.

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 10:20 PM
Ice Assassin is your best bet.


Your first use of Mind Rape can be using it on yourself to make yourself better.

I would actually be doing it to myself every few months to remove excess memories from others that I have no desire for.

Hmm, good point, that.

Say, does SLA: 1/month mean a one month cooldown time (so really more along the lines of, 30 days * 24 hours later, it becomes usable) or does it roll over as soon as it is the next month? I was never really clear on that.

If the latter, that can be abused, of course. But I find that unlikely.

lsfreak
2010-09-24, 10:22 PM
What's the range on mindrape anyway? And how obvious would it be that you're doing something with it as an SLA?

It would be a purely mental action (SLA remove all verbal/somatic components) with a Medium range. So while you'd look like you were concentrating really hard for about 3 seconds (still provokes), it shouldn't really be noticeable.

Lord Vukodlak
2010-09-24, 10:28 PM
A few problems with PoA guys,
First you can't make yourself younger with polymorph any object, of all the many changes you can make age is not among them.

The problem is making stuff to sell is you have to explain where it came from, as some point someone will ask where you get it, also Pawnshops demand ID.

Biggest problem with polymorph any object it breaks rule #2, it duplicates more then one spell.

This spell can also be used to duplicate the effects of baleful polymorph, polymorph, flesh to stone, stone to flesh, transmute mud to rock, transmute metal to wood, or transmute rock to mud.

Assuming you exclude those so it squeaks by rule 2.

It also violates rule 5 which states shapechange/poly spells are limited to real creatures.
Iron and other objects are not creatures.

Oddly enough this still leaves you with a very profitable venue turning mutts into a valuable breed. Get dog from a shelter for about 100 dollars and turn it into a 1,000 dollar Chinook or some other rare breed.

Could even start your own breeding business as once you have a male and a female,


Prestidigitation can turn one fine object into another for an hour. Turn blank sheets of paper into high value bills and put them in an automated bank deposit machine. It recognises them as high value and adds it to your account, at which point it's no longer your problem.


Except when someone finds the money doesn't add up in the AT&M and the video camera consider the entrance of the paper into the machine with you standing there. Congrats your going to jail. They won't know how you did it but a little investigation could prove that you did.

Besides that its prestidigitation not forgery, the spell can't forge signatures or anything for that matter money included. In short unless you could forge the money with tracing paper prestidigitation isn't going to work.

My idea and because I want to be unique is metafaculty, I can use this to find anyone and learn lots of details about what they were doing recently and the area around them. All I need is to have seen them before and in his digital age that isn't hard.

In my idea I don't conceal my power, I have to get people to believe me for it to be of much use. I'd start by 1/month calling in with tips to the police about where to find a wanted criminal or missing person.

As I recall the bounty on bin Laden is 25 million dollars for any information leading directly to his capture. With Metafaculty I could get his exact location and where he's been in the past eight hours.
Seeing as how I only need provide that information not actually do the dirty work myself, metafaculty should be enough.

Otodetu
2010-09-24, 10:47 PM
Guess my money is on polymorph any object too.

Would have said planar binding if it was not banned.

druid91
2010-09-24, 11:03 PM
Memento Mori.

OR

Origin of species.

OR

Beast of a Thousand Legs.

OR

Animus Blizzard.

Emperor Tippy
2010-09-24, 11:10 PM
Origin of species.
Only if you can do a custom OotS.

druid91
2010-09-24, 11:14 PM
Only if you can do a custom OotS.

What do you mean?

Jack_Simth
2010-09-24, 11:16 PM
What do you mean?

He means make up your own critter to spec. Custom.

Hey, self-defense is a perfectly legitimate use of magic. Granted, once a month offensive capabilities abilities would be more suited to the assassin than to the honest citizen...Pretty much, yes.
Hmm, are there any spells that are basically upgraded versions of nightmare, where you can basically pull off a Death Note?Intensified (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#intensifySpell) Nightmare: 20 damage. Kill... basically anyone who you'd want to in the modern world, really. But that's not a particularly useful use of that limited a resource.

Lord_Gareth
2010-09-24, 11:18 PM
After careful deliberation, I think I'd have to go with symbol of insanity.

Because I'm mean. And I live in Kansas.

Abies
2010-09-24, 11:20 PM
Can "Heal", well... "heal" mental retardation (such as the type caused by Down's Syndrome), Autism, congenital blindness/deafness, or any number of other non-actual damage related conditions? If so, well, ther you go increase the quality of life for those unfortunately afflicted with genetic disorders.

How about arthritis or dementia in the elderly? What happens if you cast Mass Heal in a room full of old folks who have joint replacements or insertable pacemakers?

I have to go with Mass Heal regradless... even if I just do good by 4-5 people a month by visiting the children's burn ward in random hospitals there's no way I could make a better contribution....

I get caught, shucks, the government gets me to use the Mass Heal at a VA hospital, with dozens of deserving servicemen crowding around me.

druid91
2010-09-24, 11:21 PM
He means make up your own critter to spec. Custom.

Of course, And I'd make sure its innards were confusing. That and make dwarves just so I can hear someone say "Why does this man have a large beardlike mass of antennae and several livers?"

Yahzi
2010-09-24, 11:22 PM
Zone of Truth (as a tool for political reform)? Hmmm.

"I wonder what's the ideal political system for our society's benefit."

/manifest Hypercognition

One month later ...

"I wonder what's the best way to popularize my utopian political system to enough of the populace to make changes start happening?"
What do you do when the answer Hypercognition gives is "pick Zone of Truth next time?"

:smallbiggrin:

Coidzor
2010-09-24, 11:38 PM
Assuming you exclude those so it squeaks by rule 2.

It also violates rule 5 which states shapechange/poly spells are limited to real creatures.
Iron and other objects are not creatures.

It's already clear that it's more about the turning into creatures part than it's only limited to creatures.


Oddly enough this still leaves you with a very profitable venue turning mutts into a valuable breed. Get dog from a shelter for about 100 dollars and turn it into a 1,000 dollar Chinook or some other rare breed.

Could even start your own breeding business as once you have a male and a female,

Depending. You'd need to forge credentials for anything too fancy.


My idea and because I want to be unique is metafaculty, I can use this to find anyone and learn lots of details about what they were doing recently and the area around them. All I need is to have seen them before and in his digital age that isn't hard.

In my idea I don't conceal my power, I have to get people to believe me for it to be of much use. I'd start by 1/month calling in with tips to the police about where to find a wanted criminal or missing person.

As I recall the bounty on bin Laden is 25 million dollars for any information leading directly to his capture. With Metafaculty I could get his exact location and where he's been in the past eight hours.
Seeing as how I only need provide that information not actually do the dirty work myself, metafaculty should be enough.

Hmm, I wonder what other sorts of bounties there are in ze verld... That's a fair one though.


What do you do when the answer Hypercognition gives is "pick Zone of Truth next time?"

:smallbiggrin:

Find out who the next person in the world that's going to get this kind of opportunity is and make them take it.

Ormur
2010-09-24, 11:46 PM
I wonder what spell would get you the best skill bonus within those restrictions. Divine insight only gives me +6 on a single check once a month. Or just divinations in general. Would commune work? How about Vision or Legend Lore? If you're clever you could get a lot of mileage out of spells like augury and divination although there is only a 71% chance of success which makes it a lot less reliable for gaming the stock market or something like that.

Of course I hear the psionic power hypercognition is the quintessential divination so if that's allowed I'd pick it. It would be help my academic career and once a month I could crack some otherwise impossible to solve mystery, whether in my private life or to help someone else.

The upside of divinations is that you don't have to conceal anything, you just know about stuff better than humanly possible.

Gavinfoxx
2010-09-24, 11:59 PM
Will you allow Scholar's Touch to be 1/day?

Cause I would totally like that if I was trying to be subtle and selfish.

If I REALLY wanted to stir things up a lot, and change the world... I'd want to do something that could help ensure the survival and thriving of the human race. Something that helps big time with resource crunch, or space colonization, or something like that... not sure what though...

Dimers
2010-09-25, 02:37 AM
Axiomatic Creature (Book of Exalted Deeds). Permanent duration; raises Int 2 or less to Int 3; grants a mindlink to other axiomatic creatures, darkvision, energy resistances, SR, smite chaos, and a look of physical flawlessness.

Distilled Joy, also Book of Exalted Deeds. Its game effects are pretty worthless, but it's a cool concept.

And hey, while we're in the Book of Exalted Deeds, how about Sanctify the Wicked? Turns an evil person to good over the course of a year in stasis, then gives it eye lasers, a magic circle against evil, ability to speak all languages, and an aura that terrifies enemies.

Shambler -- you get 'em for seven days, or seven MONTHS if they guard one site, regardless of CL.

Hallow? Or does that count as a "way to reproduce more than one spell"?

Matter Manipulation psi. Permanently raise the hardness of an item by 5. Could make a lot of money and/or preserve priceless artifacts.

Mordenkainen's Disjunction. Undo everyone else's "permanent" effects. :smallwink:

Adumbration
2010-09-25, 04:03 AM
Will you allow Scholar's Touch to be 1/day?

Cause I would totally like that if I was trying to be subtle and selfish.

If I REALLY wanted to stir things up a lot, and change the world... I'd want to do something that could help ensure the survival and thriving of the human race. Something that helps big time with resource crunch, or space colonization, or something like that... not sure what though...

Scholar's touch might be worth it even 1/month, if it's CL 20. 20 books in 2 minutes is not too shabby.

Mind you, I would personally take either Mass Heal or Hypercognition.

Kumori
2010-09-25, 05:36 AM
I found the perfect spell for this: Plane Shift. I would go from this material plane to the material plane of one of the D&D universes, be it Greyhawk, Faerun, Eberron, or better yet, OotS!

I know, wishful thinking to put plane shift to that kind of use, but it could work....

deuxhero
2010-09-25, 07:59 AM
My own custom epic spell that makes me a level 21+ Wizard. :)

BeholderSlayer
2010-09-25, 10:15 AM
Probably programmed amnesia for me.

snoopy13a
2010-09-25, 10:31 AM
Overland Flight. So I'd never have to fly commercial ever again :smalltongue:

Jack_Simth
2010-09-25, 10:46 AM
Overland Flight. So I'd never have to fly commercial ever again :smalltongue:Ah... 40 feet every six seconds (or 80 feet every six seconds, hustling), for 1 hour, is only about nine miles. You can drive faster and longer than that, some people can run faster and longer than that, and while the flight itself is fun and useful on occasion, you'll still need to book a plane flight for long distance travel.

J.Gellert
2010-09-25, 10:54 AM
Torn between Etherealness, Mind Rape, Mass Heal, and Shapechange (even limited to real creatures). Either one would be great.

Close seconds are any of Teleport Without Error, Greater Stoneskin (I'd never stop casting it), Telekinesis (so many applications), Dominate Person.

If I was limited to 1st level spells, then Disguise Self or Cure Light Wounds.

The Dark Fiddler
2010-09-25, 11:45 AM
Is awakened heritable? :smallconfused:

It should be.

Lysander
2010-09-25, 02:42 PM
Axiomatic Creature (Book of Exalted Deeds). Permanent duration; raises Int 2 or less to Int 3; grants a mindlink to other axiomatic creatures, darkvision, energy resistances, SR, smite chaos, and a look of physical flawlessness.


You and your friends can become a crime-fighting squad of telepathic supermodels with intelligent animal sidekicks.

Jack_Simth
2010-09-25, 03:23 PM
You and your friends can become a crime-fighting squad of telepathic supermodels with intelligent animal sidekicks.
Oh yes, and with the Cold, Fire, Electricity, and Sonic resistance, not need to worry about the weather ever again.

Coidzor
2010-09-25, 03:54 PM
Oh yes, and with the Cold, Fire, Electricity, and Sonic resistance, not need to worry about the weather ever again.

Well, you might still wanna avoid flooding. :smallwink:

ScionoftheVoid
2010-09-25, 04:38 PM
I would choose Programmed Amnesia, even once per month it would still be all kinds of fun.

super dark33
2010-09-25, 04:52 PM
does eldritch blast count as a spell?

randomhero00
2010-09-25, 07:10 PM
does eldritch blast count as a spell?

I believe so, but it'd still be 1/month

Irbis
2010-09-25, 07:36 PM
How to make money at True Creation. Because most exotic forms of matter are not going to be able to be contained safely with a range of 0 feet from the caster. Prices in USD.

Gold: 1 Cubic Foot. weight of Gold in one cubic foot: 1206 pounds (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_one_cubic_inch_of_gold_weigh)

Cost of gold: $1,228.30 per troy ounce as of December, 2009 in New York Trading. (http://www.metalmarkets.org.uk/2010/08/17/gold-prices-rise-as-usd-weakens/)

Troy ounces per pound: 1 pound = 14.5833333 troy ounces (http://www.google.com/search?q=1+pound+in+troy+ounces&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en)

Number of troy ounces: 17587.5

Amount of money per month from True Creation with CL 1 creating 1 cubic foot of gold: $21,602,726.20

A year: $259,232,714

This is barring taking the bottom out of the market. Though, to be honest, that little gold being added to the market once a month is less than what the mines of the world probably add to the gold supply. (http://money.howstuffworks.com/question213.htm)


I see a big problem here - gold is traded in bars. Bard with stamp of a bank. Create a cubic foot of gold and you'll have to answer questions who the hell you robbed to smelt this much gold destroying evidence of crime.

Sure, you can cut said cube somehow, but then, you have irregular bricks of yellow metal which may be a scam. At best, you'll be able to sell tiny quantities to jeweler as gold scrap. Anything more, and you'll have a visit of local FBI equivalent asking pointed questions.

God save you if instead tax/customs police come, these are much worse and ask a lot more questions.

You can also try forging the bank seals, but once someone spots it, you're not only a hot stuff handler, you're a forger. And that is much more serious crime.

By the way, why all of you keep picking Heal? That stuff is useless, it does nothing which a few weeks of rest won't do. I think you want Greater Restoration, or Regenerate. Heal might be of use in a battlefield, maybe.

As for me, maybe Fabricate? Raw materials are cheap, making average quality items (or luxurious if I have the right abilities) is going to be a lot more profitable than Creation, and will get a lot less questions. Hell, making 10 cubic feet of whatever Chines workers are producing is going to bring some easy profit, and you can purify whatever you want out of old pile of electronic scrap, including gold and copper for sale. And it has a lot of non-obvious uses.

randomhero00
2010-09-25, 07:45 PM
By the way, why all of you keep picking Heal? That stuff is useless, it does nothing which a few weeks of rest won't do. I think you want Greater Restoration, or Regenerate. Heal might be of use in a battlefield, maybe.


Because Heal/Mass Heal takes care of *everything* except negative levels, permanently drained levels, or permanently drained ability score points. None of which exist in real life. So essentially it cures everything IRL except maybe genetic disorders and the complete loss of a limb or organ(rare). It cures all afflictions, poisons, diseases, exhaustion, insanity, deafness, blindness, etc. plus it fully heals you (since I doubt anyone IRL has more than 10hps or if they do they probably haven't taken more than 10hps worth of damage.) So ya, it basically takes care of everything.

Irbis
2010-09-25, 08:09 PM
Because Heal/Mass Heal takes care of *everything* except negative levels, permanently drained levels, or permanently drained ability score points. None of which exist in real life. So essentially it cures everything IRL except maybe genetic disorders and the complete loss of a limb or organ(rare). It cures all afflictions, poisons, diseases, exhaustion, insanity, deafness, blindness, etc. plus it fully heals you (since I doubt anyone IRL has more than 10hps or if they do they probably haven't taken more than 10hps worth of damage.) So ya, it basically takes care of everything.

Erm... all I see is healing status effects, which are nowhere near as serious as actual blindness or deafness. It also does nothing what regenerate does, meaning permanently damaged organs stay that way, and you're only healed to your new maximum.

And, I'd think some RL diseases/poisons do permanent ability damage/drain, something which Heal cannot repair.

In other words, from my understanding, it would heal a soldier shot a dozen times, but you could forget about heal repairing the effects (not the actual bacteria/viruses) of Parkinson's, AIDS, or even permanent loss of limbs or organs. Unless I missed something, of course.

Coidzor
2010-09-25, 09:43 PM
I see a big problem here - gold is traded in bars. Bard with stamp of a bank. Create a cubic foot of gold and you'll have to answer questions who the hell you robbed to smelt this much gold destroying evidence of crime.

1 cube is simply how to mathematically calculate the amount of gold created. A cube of gold with one foot to a side wouldn't be salable anyway. You could even create it as a length of connected bullion.

Even selling at a loss for scrap, it's free wealth. Especially with the current gold craze.

Anyway, I was just giving a ballpark estimate of how much wealth could be created that way. In short, chill, dude, no need for that kind of tone.


In other words, from my understanding, it would heal a soldier shot a dozen times, but you could forget about heal repairing the effects (not the actual bacteria/viruses) of Parkinson's, AIDS, or even permanent loss of limbs or organs. Unless I missed something, of course.

It cures you of disease. Thus, it would either remove or eliminate or render ineffective viral and bacterial infections. That status effect "Diseased," that's just a placeholder for any disease someone's suffering from.

And, no one was arguing it gave back limbs as far as I can tell. That's why people were bandying around Regeneration.

Irbis
2010-09-26, 05:38 AM
Hmm, indeed, I hadn't thought of that sort of utility. Then again, I know myself at least somewhat, and... the temptation to push the reset button on my relationships is more than I would really ever want to deal with.

Heh, never even thought of that language fluency thing though.

It doesn't work. You can grab languages, sure, but you grab all of it. So, what if it turns out your best friend is a rapist? Abuses his younger sister? Steals money from grandpas? Do you report him, and if so, what proof you're going to give to police?

It doesn't even have to be active evil - let's say your friend was raped in childchood, and since then, repressed the memory. Do you report their family and remind your friend about it, risking his/her sanity, or do you let crime go unpunished?

Even if there's no such stuff, you get to live through all the experiences your friend had, which could be problematic if she/he is of different sex and/or sex orientation.

Then, there's the argument your experiences make you - if you grab experiences from 10 people, can you still be yourself, especially if the other 9 were different from you in the same way?

At best, you'd spend a month carrying all that baggage before you could mindrape yourself into forgetting them.


As I recall the bounty on bin Laden is 25 million dollars for any information leading directly to his capture. With Metafaculty I could get his exact location and where he's been in the past eight hours.
Seeing as how I only need provide that information not actually do the dirty work myself, metafaculty should be enough.

And then spend rest of your life hiding from guys wanting to avenge their leader?

Or, worse, sent to prison just because you obviously were in terrorist network if you had access to that sort of info? In an attempt to pump more info out of you? That's what certain G. place was created for, anyway - to hold suspect people without proof for however long was needed.


1 cube is simply how to mathematically calculate the amount of gold created. A cube of gold with one foot to a side wouldn't be salable anyway. You could even create it as a length of connected bullion.

No, you can't. Length of bullion connected with a micron-thin links is a nice try, but it would be incredibly complex object you'd never create without high [minting] craft check.


Even selling at a loss for scrap, it's free wealth. Especially with the current gold craze.

Nope, it's not free wealth. It's a wealth you can't say how you get. Once you try to dump more than a few hundred $ worth, you can get a police visit asking you about potential crime. Or, tax police asking how you afforded so much precious metals slapping punitive fine on you in the best case. Any answer you can give send you either to mental institution or start money laundering investigation.


Anyway, I was just giving a ballpark estimate of how much wealth could be created that way. In short, chill, dude, no need for that kind of tone.

What tone? I merely pointed out problems with the spell, that's all.


It cures you of disease. Thus, it would either remove or eliminate or render ineffective viral and bacterial infections. That status effect "Diseased," that's just a placeholder for any disease someone's suffering from.

And, no one was arguing it gave back limbs as far as I can tell. That's why people were bandying around Regeneration.

Remove HIV virus? Sure. Repair destroyed immune system or damaged brain cells? That I'm not so sure about. If Regeneration is any indication, all Heal does is to repair surface flesh wounds, not damaged organs or crippled limbs. You could use it to treat Ebola virus, maybe, or heal fresh AIDS, but that's it.

Or... Establish a sect and claim you're a second coming... :smallamused:

Yuki Akuma
2010-09-26, 05:51 AM
Greater Anyspell.

Jack_Simth
2010-09-26, 09:21 AM
Greater Anyspell.
Doesn't that require you have the spellbook to make use of?

SpekterofDavid
2010-09-26, 12:02 PM
Something that allows me to dance realy well =)

huttj509
2010-09-26, 12:43 PM
Something that allows me to dance realy well =)

Otto's irresistable dance, cast on self?

Maryring
2010-09-26, 01:18 PM
I found the perfect spell for this: Plane Shift. I would go from this material plane to the material plane of one of the D&D universes, be it Greyhawk, Faerun, Eberron, or better yet, OotS!

I know, wishful thinking to put plane shift to that kind of use, but it could work....

Yeah. Why haven't others thought about this before? You can use it for a one month vacation in heaven, quite literally. And meet outsiders and chat with them.

DaedalusMkV
2010-09-26, 02:10 PM
I'd go for either Teleportation Circle or True Creation, not sure which. Why?

Teleportation Circle lets me work with NASA and the rest to make everything related to space travel/exploration/research much, much, much cheaper and more effective while getting plenty wealthy myself. I could double or triple the speed with which we can undertake projects, and allow things that would be decades or centuries away from possible now. We'd have a colony on Mars within years, and we could be organizing trips to other solar systems within decades. I'd have to go public with it, but I think it's safe to say I'd have a lot of support and protection from every government ever. I'd also be able to justify a high six-figure salary, which is all I'd ever need to be happy. Sure, I'd have to be a bit careful to avoid having the power abused for one bad thing or another, but whatever.

True Creation lets me make things that are very, very scarce available to those who need them, while making lots of money myself. I'd set up a company and patent some vague system for transmuting elements as a cover story. Then, I advertise my ability to make anything in the world you need, below market price (or not, if you need more than is on the market). I'd get the government on my side by offering them one month's worth of my SLA's production per year free of cost (in addition to tax income, of course), then proceed to make silly amounts of money while still doing good for the world. I can choose my clients, since there would be roughly unlimited demand, and then use most of the funds generated to expand my business. With the kind of cash flow I'd have from my core business (not amazing, but ~10 million a year net income, at least early on, and quite likely a lot more than that as demand increases), I could create a large and resilient commercial empire. Sure, the vagueness of my business model would almost certainly result in a lot of investigations from law enforcement and tax collectors, but that's not exactly a problem since I'm not actually doing anything wrong. Hell, there's not much stopping me from telling (and showing) the authorities what I'm doing, once I get things off the ground.

Yes, I could likely get more money by Mindraping people or using PAO to print flawless currency, but that's only going to hurt things in the long run and is quite immoral to boot. Either of the above options is a completely legal method of using my abilities as legitimate services to sell, and improves our pursuit of science and technology significantly. Both also make me plenty rich, especially given my rather inexpensive tastes and hobbies.

That said, unless there are likely to be other people out there getting access to these spells, I would certainly choose True Creation. If there are those other people, I'd team up with Permanancy Guy to create Portal Works ltd.

Lolzords
2010-09-26, 02:24 PM
Hrm, if we were allowed a higher casting level I'd say Greater Invisibility, or Time Stop, but since I'd only get 6 seconds with the former and 6-30 seconds with the latter, I'd have to say Prestidigitation.

Lord Vukodlak
2010-09-26, 05:04 PM
Greater Anyspell.

Illegal choice, it violates one of the restrictions given by the OP. It can duplicate to many spells


Remove HIV virus? Sure. Repair destroyed immune system or damaged brain cells? That I'm not so sure about. If Regeneration is any indication, all Heal does is to repair surface flesh wounds, not damaged organs or crippled limbs. You could use it to treat Ebola virus, maybe, or heal fresh AIDS, but that's it.

Or... Establish a sect and claim you're a second coming... :smallamused:
If the spell kills the virus your immune system can recover, it wouldn't heal permanent brain damage though as that be equivalent to ability drain.




And then spend rest of your life hiding from guys wanting to avenge their leader?

Or, worse, sent to prison just because you obviously were in terrorist network if you had access to that sort of info? In an attempt to pump more info out of you? That's what certain G. place was created for, anyway - to hold suspect people without proof for however long was needed.


The identity of informants are kept confidential they won't know it was me unless I'm stupid enough to advertise that I found him. Guantamano was built to house non-american citizens without proof.

They'd actually require proof to lock me up, especially in 2010. [2003 or so maybe not]. Before they'd even follow up on my tip to begin with I'd probably have to convince them my power if real by finding a few other people.