Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World

[Boren]

Ok here be the shtick...Going to be playing in an evil game and it's going to kinda on the high power side. The other player have the brute squad side of things covered so I thought to do a charisma based caster. Our goal is to take over the world. :smallsmile:
My fluff goes like so: while my 'teammates' prepare to assault from without I am the cancer that rots from within. My tools are seduction, blackmail, whispers of vary good sounding bad ideas into the right ears, and anything else that weakens the resolve of the populations leaders. :smallbiggrin:
I've been looking long and hard at the Thrall of Malcanthet class (in Dragon Mag but I don't have in front of me right now and don't know the numberOk thats Drag Mag 353 page 29-31). However the heavy skill requirements for the class Bluff 9, Dip 9 Perform 5 X2 would make it hard to go sorcerer and I don't really want to go with bard and lose full casting. I've thought about doing a Bard 8, Mind bender 1, Thrall 1, Sublime Cord 1, Thrall 9 (not exactly in that order but you get the idea) but I thought I'd see if anyone could toss me a better idea or two.
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[Alleran]

Savage Bard going into Ur-Priest, perhaps? (EDIT: Oh, Charisma-based.)

How much dairy product are you looking for, here?

[Boren]

How much dairy product are you looking for, here?

Well like I said it's going to be a high power game and the DM is making us take a min of LA 1 for race, so while no pun puns a few wheels of extra sharp cheddar might be just the thing.

[FelixG]

I forget the feats name but is there not one that makes all skills class skills as long as you are a human or shifter? I think its Adept Mind or some such, i dont have my books on me right now but that might be a viable option.

Edit: I know i have seen it in a few warlock builds

[JBento]

I can't recall the feat's name also, buit it's in Races of Destiny, and that's not EXACTLY what it does. It just makes you pay for cross-class skills as if they were class skills (i.e., one skill rank per skill point). The cross-class rank cap remains, so it's not what you're looking for - you'd still need lvl15 for the Bluff ranks

[NineThePuma]

All bards but for Savage are Cha.

The feat is Able Learner.

[Boren]

Interesting feat and I might be able to work something with it but what I more hoping to find was a full casting class or low entry prestige class that has them as class skills. Feel free to make any suggestion as all books are in play splat books, BoVD, and even the b.....the boo.....the book of..*hack choke gag hawk*.....E...Erotic fantasy *spits* never though I'd ever have a reason to actually look at that stupid porn rag....But that just shows you everything is in play and I mean everything.

[Reluctance]

PHB2 Beguiler? That sounds right up your alley.

Otherwise, Able Learner plus a one level dip in something with Diplomacy (and ideally Perform) on its skill list? Able Learner gets you the in-class rate for all skills, while any levels of any class will unlock the higher cap for all skills it has as class skills.

[NineThePuma]

Interesting feat and I might be able to work something with it but what I more hoping to find was a full casting class or low entry prestige class that has them as class skills. Feel free to make any suggestion as all books are in play splat books, BoVD, and even the b.....the boo.....the book of..*hack choke gag hawk*.....E...Erotic fantasy *spits* never though I'd ever have a reason to actually look at that stupid porn rag....But that just shows you everything is in play and I mean everything.
BoEF has the Imagist. Ask your DM to house rule it casting from Cha. This does have te disadvantage of you needing to be non-evil, but if you fluff your character the right way and make their motives odd, you can probably skip past that. It has all four skills as in class skills.

Another class that VERY heavily plays on your idea is Rake, which basically seduces people into giving her what she wants (using the female pronoun the book uses). I'd say going rogue in that case is a good idea, though Bard is pretty good too. Bard may be better, actually, with its charm spells. Beguiler is Int based, so... Yeah.

[Jjeinn-tae]

You pretty much described one of those fiend Prestige Classes in the back of the Fiend Folio. I forget the name of it, and have no idea whether it is actually any good, but it might be worth a look.

[LOTRfan]

That would be Fiend of Corruption. Boren wouldn't qualify unless the character is an evil outsider.

[Jjeinn-tae]

Yes, though since it's an Evil Campaign, and Boren needs to take a race of at least +1 LA, I figured it might be possible to.

[NineThePuma]

Tiefling. If homebrew is allowed, there's a Succubus-based Tieling in Krimm's Nations Of The Dead.

[Petrocorus]

Maybe Bard 6 / Lyric Thaumaturge 4 / Sublime chord 2 before Thrall.

A Beguiler with a high Cha also.

[WinWin]

Iron Chef 9. Sway. Yuan-Ti Bard/Snakelord/Soul Eater/Cloaked Dancer...

Should be on page 4 or 5 of that thread. A more high powered option would be to use less Snakelord and more CD and SE.

[Boren]

As it just so happens I was planning to use the LA1 Allurin (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Allurin_%283.5e_Race%29) so I just might be able to nab one of the FF classes thanks for the reminder on them I'll take a look.

[Petrocorus]

As it just so happens I was planning to use the LA1 Allurin (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Allurin_%283.5e_Race%29) so I just might be able to nab one of the FF classes thanks for the reminder on them I'll take a look.

What books the Allurins are from, originally?
What are the FF classes?

[Boren]

I think they are 100% home-brewed if one of the better ones I've seen. A lot of the home-brew stuff I find is ether over ranked (too high an adjustment for what you get) or more often way under ranked (wow +6 to three stats for just a LA 1?) and while I think the Allurin leans slightly to the under ranked side a good DM can do all kinds of things with the Allurins weaknesses. That and they are the ultimate paly frag over...picture if you will:
Level 10 human paly walking down the road level 2 Allurin cleric of palor walking the other way paly has detect evil up cuz well he can looks at the cleric and *ding* evil-dar just went off.
Halt you what are you doing masquerading in the holy robes of palor you vile fiend?
Excuse me good knight?
You heard me thing of evil tell me now what plot you hatch out here.
I think your slightly confused good sir I am not but a simple cleric in the order of*
Enough of this I see ye to be evil and your mockery and subversion of the suns good faith shall not go un-punished this day I smite you with the mighty smitieness of good *ZAP* Smite evil works, kills him
ACK Gurga...........
Ah once again good has tri......*thunder rumbles*
BRAZAP!!!! good bye paly powers you just killed a good cleric that's gonna be a long atonement there. Can't really say murdered because he truly believed he was evil and was doing something evil by pretending to be a good cleric but guess what WRONG! Tell me you couldn't see that happening in a game with ether being the PC :smalleek: :smalleek:

[Lysander]

What about playing as a succubus? You won't be as powerful in combat as you otherwise could, but at will suggestion/teleportation/shapeshifting/etherealness/etc. is pretty useful in a stealthy persuasive type.

[Dr.Epic]

He's a trick I came up with: max out forgery and get any noble's autograph you come across. Since their royalty, they won't think twice about someone asking for their autograph. With their signature, you can forge all sorts of phony contracts.:smallbiggrin:

[FelixG]

He's a trick I came up with: max out forgery and get any noble's autograph you come across. Since their royalty, they won't think twice about someone asking for their autograph. With their signature, you can forge all sorts of phony contracts.:smallbiggrin:

God help you if they get an Inevitable involved in the dispute :P

[Mordokai]

What about playing as a succubus? You won't be as powerful in combat as you otherwise could, but at will suggestion/teleportation/shapeshifting/etherealness/etc. is pretty useful in a stealthy persuasive type.

Savage Species would enable you to play as one. I mean, you still get to suck, what, LA +6? But as far as persuasivness goes, you can't beat succubus :smallbiggrin: :smallwink: Add some bard levels on top of it and you've got a good combo. Charm Monster and Suggestion at will really help.

I'm playing as one in our current campaign and I'm only level 4 and am having a jolly good fun with my succubus already. Should be even more fun when I get some more levels under my belt.

[Petrocorus]

He's a trick I came up with: max out forgery and get any noble's autograph you come across. Since their royalty, they won't think twice about someone asking for their autograph. With their signature, you can forge all sorts of phony contracts.:smallbiggrin:

In a medieval setting, you need also to forge the seal.

[Lysander]

Savage Species would enable you to play as one. I mean, you still get to suck, what, LA +6? But as far as persuasivness goes, you can't beat succubus :smallbiggrin: :smallwink: Add some bard levels on top of it and you've got a good combo. Charm Monster and Suggestion at will really help.

The Change Shape and Teleportation would also be incredibly useful in a campaign where you're trying to influence the leaders of many countries. You could set up false identities in multiple cities, shapeshift, and teleport between them whenever you want. In one day you could have breakfast with King A, lunch with King B, and Dinner with King C, all in separate continents.

Just erm, make sure you get one of those items that hides your true alignment. And do a little research to make sure nobody you're trying to fool can cast True Seeing or has a court wizard to do it for them.

[Lysander]

He's a trick I came up with: max out forgery and get any noble's autograph you come across. Since their royalty, they won't think twice about someone asking for their autograph. With their signature, you can forge all sorts of phony contracts.:smallbiggrin:

Were autographs even a thing in medieval times? I mean, at that point most of the population was illiterate.

[Mordokai]

The Change Shape and Teleportation would also be incredibly useful in a campaign where you're trying to influence the leaders of many countries. You could set up false identities in multiple cities, shapeshift, and teleport between them whenever you want. In one day you could have breakfast with King A, lunch with King B, and Dinner with King C, all in separate continents.

Just erm, make sure you get one of those items that hides your true alignment. And do a little research to make sure nobody you're trying to fool can cast True Seeing or has a court wizard to do it for them.

Alter Self ability that succubus gets is useful anytime. A +10 to Disguise, combined with the skill modifier makes it almost impossible for anybody to see you for what you really are. All in all, much fun. Yeah, succubi are ton of fun... as long as you aren't forced into fight. Because when then happens, they quite literally suck.

[Dr.Epic]

Were autographs even a thing in medieval times? I mean, at that point most of the population was illiterate.

The DM I pulled this on never questioned it until he saw what I was doing with the signatures. Just use bluff/diplomacy to flatter the person and I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.

And as for being illiterate, unless you're a barbarian that doesn't want to spend the two skill points, anyone can read. Not to mention D&D isn't entirely based on the middle ages.

[Petrocorus]

The DM I pulled this on never questioned it until he saw what I was doing with the signatures. Just use bluff/diplomacy to flatter the person and I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.

And as for being illiterate, unless you're a barbarian that doesn't want to spend the two skill points, anyone can read. Not to mention D&D isn't entirely based on the middle ages.

I'm not sure that commoners and warriors can read.
Can they?

[Lysander]

Alter Self ability that succubus gets is useful anytime. A +10 to Disguise, combined with the skill modifier makes it almost impossible for anybody to see you for what you really are. All in all, much fun. Yeah, succubi are ton of fun... as long as you aren't forced into fight. Because when then happens, they quite literally suck.

For those rare cases where a succubus has to enter combat, a one level dip into Monk can be nice to pick up Improved Grapple to help you drain levels.

[Boren]

For those rare cases where a succubus has to enter combat, a one level dip into Monk can be nice to pick up Improved Grapple to help you drain levels.

A lawful succubus??? :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused:

Also nice Idea on taking the actual levels in succubus tho I'd have to tweak that for 3.5 as I don't think I have the update for that...Hmmm have to see

[Jjeinn-tae]

A lawful succubus??? :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused:

Also nice Idea on taking the actual levels in succubus tho I'd have to tweak that for 3.5 as I don't think I have the update for that...Hmmm have to see

While it's Homebrew, there is this one (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7951939&postcount=29) (right below the ogre mage if it's cut off for some reason).

[Mordokai]

Also nice Idea on taking the actual levels in succubus tho I'd have to tweak that for 3.5 as I don't think I have the update for that...Hmmm have to see

I don't think you require that much tweaking. Just change her spell resistance to match the 3.5 (10+level) rules instead of 3.0 (10+HD), change her damage reduction from 10/+2 to 10/good or cold iron and the ability to summon balor (10%) to summon vrock (30%). I think those are all the changes from 3.0 to 3.5, as per Savage Species.

But then, I might have misunderstood you.

[Steveotep]

In BoEF Rake is good for Rogues. Casters should look at Dominator for mind control, Disciple of Aaluran for seduction (except can't be evil) or Fey Enticer (feykissed qualify for +1 LA).

Voyeuristic Seer is useful for spying on blackmail victims. Metaphysical Spellshaper is great for metamagic abuse, especially if your cohort takes Sacred Prostitute to heal the ability damage and double your spells per day.

Finally the Pleasure Golem emits a continual stun effect (Will save DC 15) for a bargain price of 4000 GP.

[Petrocorus]

In BoEF Rake is good for Rogues. Casters should look at Dominator for mind control, Disciple of Aaluran for seduction (except can't be evil) or Fey Enticer (feykissed qualify for +1 LA).

Voyeuristic Seer is useful for spying on blackmail victims. Metaphysical Spellshaper is great for metamagic abuse, especially if your cohort takes Sacred Prostitute to heal the ability damage and double your spells per day.


There is also the Nymphology, which has the same kind of things.

[The Gilded Duke]

Not a traditional spellcaster, but Binder works wonders for this sort of character. Everything is charisma based, and depending on what vestiges they choose they get skill bonuses and can take 10 on that sort of thing.

[hamishspence]

A lawful succubus??? :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused: :smallconfused:


There's one in Dragon Magazine- in the Wee Jas article- she has the Law subtype instead of the Chaos subtype, and can't summon demons- because the deity modified her.