Arena Tournament, Round 97: Louis XVI vs. Zan Iso

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Arena Tournament, Round 97: Louis XVI vs. Zan Iso

Map:http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/ArenaManager/Arenas/10-bloody_altar.png

XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Louis XVI (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=235460) - Dwalin
Zan Iso (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=235525) - Lightbogart

All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare final purchases, if any

[Lightbogart]

No Purchases

Initiative:
[roll0]

gl Dwalin

[hustlertwo]

I can't wait to see how this unfolds.

[Lightbogart]

! a spectator

well I hope I don't lose too bad on my first match *cross fingers*

[TheFallenOne]

now this is an interesting map choice for the ballista. Since it occupies 4 squares, that means either the ballista or him have to start outside the closed doors. Or maybe he can just stand on top of the ballista? :smallconfused:

[Chess435]

Yes, the siege weaponry will make this VERY interesting... however, if it's broken, you're in a lot of trouble.

[Dwalin]

Well, considering that I am a lot easier to break than the ballista, I think that shouldn't be an issue. Also, where are you guys getting the idea that a ballista takes up a 10'x10'. A standard ballista only takes a 5'x5' while a heavy ballista (which I don't yet have), takes up a 15'x15'. I do need a couple points of clarrification.
Refs-
Does my character share the same square as the ballista they are using or do they stand next to it. I was originally thinking that it would be same square since it is a weapon, but now I am thinking the other might be the possibility. Also, if it is fired from next to it, does which square I fire from affect the directions I can shoot (I.E. if I am west of the ballista, can I still fire north, or west? That question is contingent on the question of being able to fire from an adjacent square.

Also, do we take the move action to open the doors from adjacent to them or in them? I.E. would I take a five foot step into the square with the door and then my move to open it or do I open it and then do whatever from the square behind it?

[Sallera]

Louis:You'd fire from next to it, since it takes up its own space. As far as I can remember, which side you fire it from doesn't matter, but I might need to confirm that with the book when I get home. You open the doors from an adjacent square; the square they're in can't be entered until they're open.

[Dwalin]

Okay, that works for me then. Initiative is [roll0].
Good Luck. Welcome to our experiment. (also, it is likely you will either win easily or lose easily, since it is pretty much hit=kill from me.)

[Dwalin]

Alright, since there are no purchases, I will post starting stuff and first turn actions.
Refs/Los-I will start in M2, holding nothing, with my Ballista loaded in N2

Also, since I go first. I will take a swift to activate my Luck devotion. Then my move is to open the doors. Then my standard is to ready an action:Fire my ballista at my opponent if he appears in LOS

Stats:
Holding nothing, no damage, located at M2, ballista loaded at N2

[Lightbogart]

OK so tell me what I did wrong
Refs/Los?
I start at M 26
Cast Obscuring mist at M20 making a 20 ft radius and 20 ft high mist
And then open the door


Ref only
Move into mist into M20
*gasp* does opening the door take an action?

Stats
Holding nothing at M20 in a Obscuring mist

[Chess435]

Lightbogart/other refs:
Yes, opening the door requires a move action.

[Dwalin]

Presuming that was his full turn, can I get a LoS? unless we are waiting on a question to Light Bogart

[Sallera]

Zan:You don't have LoE to M20, and Obscuring Mist only extends from one of the corners of your own square anyway. Please revise your targeting.

[Lightbogart]

Is it possible that I have a move action that opens the door and then cast obscuring mist?
I know Louis might get LoS, but it's the best I can think of right now

[Sallera]

Zan:You started in M26. You have to be adjacent to the door (row 25) to open it.

[Lightbogart]

Ohh alright then I'll have to move toward the door and then cast obscuring mist right on me
What effect will that have? I mean does the door block obscuring mist?

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:No LoS. Your opponent's doors are still closed.

Zan:No LoS. The mist fills the starting space, but doesn't go any further with the doors closed. Incidentally, you might want to spoiler stuff your opponent isn't supposed to know.

Carry on with Louis's turn.

[Dwalin]

-Refs/LOS

Round 2
I need clarification on something. I know that I can push/drag the ballista, but what kind of action is that? If I can move it at all as a move-action, I will move it and myself as far as possible (if I can only move it but not myself also as a move action, I five foot step forward and then move it as much as possible). Regardless of if some version of that works, my standard action is to ready an action, Fire the ballista at any opponent if I gain LOS, preference going to the PC if I gain LOS to multiple opponents at once.

I have a question in there, but I have a contingency of what my turn is in any case of the answer, so the action should be able to continue.

[Sallera]

Louis:I'll have to confirm this in the Waiting Room, as it isn't actually listed in the rules, but for now you can assume you move at half speed while pushing or dragging something over your max load.

[Lightbogart]

Um if I'm supposed to go then please forgive my tardiness I thought I wasn't supposed to go yet

Action
Start at M25
use move action to open door
Cast Summon Monster 1 for a Small Fiendish Monstrous Spider onto M20
My Cloudy conjuration makes my summon obscured for one round in a fog cloud centered on M20

Stats
holding nothing
Obscured in a fog

[Sallera]

Zan:You were in M26, not M25, but I'll just assume that was a 5ft step, since you had one free. Also, please specify which grid intersection the cloud is centred on.

[Dwalin]

Top of Round 3
-refs/LOS

Based on the last turn having me move half speed to M/N-5 with my ballista, I will now move half speed again to M/N-8 with my ballista and again readying an action to fire at any creature with whom I gain LOS

[Sallera]

LoS will come as soon as I get a clarification from Zan. Also, Louis, please include stat blocks with your turn posts.

[Dwalin]

Yeah, can do. I have been forgetting that a lot lately.

[Lightbogart]

I have edited where the cloud is centered in

[Sallera]

Zan:It needs to be a grid intersection, not a square.

[Lightbogart]

Sallera
Please specify what a grid intersection is

[Sallera]

Zan:A point at which the lines of the grid intersect, i.e. M20/N21+0.

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
Well the fog is only one block radius so it won't touch my obscuring mist

[Sallera]

Zan:Its proximity to the obscuring mist is irrelevant; it is a 5ft radius, so it takes up either 4 or 8 squares, depending on where you centre it, hence my question - I need to know which squares those are.

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
I see
I apologize for the inconvenience and will attempt to do this correctly
Intersection:
M19
L20 M20 N20
M18

OK obviously I have no idea what I'm doing
how do I really do it??
man I really don't know how this works sorry

[Sallera]

Zan:You can centre it at any of the 8 points touching on M20 - L19/M20+0, L19/M20+5, M20/N21+0, L20/M21+5, etc.

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
Well It'll take me a little while to get used to this

M20/M21+0

Will that do?

[Sallera]

Zan:That's two intersections. Either M20/N21+0 or L20/M21+0.

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
Alright I'll figure out this intersection thing.... eventually

M20/N21+0

I have caused too many complications :smallfrown:

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:No LoS. Your opponent's doors are open, and there is mist in the starting area to a height of 20ft.

Zan:No LoS.

Zan's Round 3 turn, in case anyone got lost in that rather lengthy clarification.

[Dwalin]

Is it time for a DQ? I hate to say it but I am waiting on my opponent still.

[Lightbogart]

but I thought I just moved with my spell?

[Sallera]

Louis's turn was in post 23. As I said after the LoS check, it is Zan's round 3 turn.

[Dwalin]

Alright, it is your turn, so you should take it.

[Lightbogart]

umm I'll assume you just ready your action

Action
I move to M 24
Cast Summon Monster I for another Small fiendish spider that is summoned in L 20
This obscures the other spider
The first spider which I will address as spider A moves to L19

Spider B can't take a move action so it doesn't take any actions

Spider B is surrounded by a cloud that the summon creates is at L20/L19+0 which should obscure Spider A if the stone pillar doesn't

stats:
Holding nothing

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:No LoS.

Zan:No LoS.

[Dwalin]

Refs/LOS-

Alright, I will simply continue to wait until either the fog clears or I start to worry meteors are on their way.
Standard: Ready an Action Attack any creature to whom I have LOS


End of Turn

[Lightbogart]

Action

Stay in M24
One last Summon Monster I for another fiendish monstrous spider that is summoned on L20 surrounded by a fog intersecting on L20/L19+0
Spider A moves to H20
Spider B moves to I 20

End of turn

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:No LoS.

Zan:No LoS. Also, that's two grid intersections again. What orders are you giving your minions?

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
*Sigh* must learn how this works later will L20/M20+0 work??

Right so I ordered my spiders to move behind the stone wall on the low left

[Sallera]

Refs:Listen for Louis: [roll0]

Zan:L19/M20+0 will work.

Carry on.

[vollmond]

Zan:The important thing is to define your intersection by diagonal squares, IE, squares that share only one corner instead of a whole side. The check for that is to make sure the two squares you use differ in both letter and number (IE, L19/M20 is ok but M19/M20 is not)

<sallera>Carry on.</sallera>

[Dwalin]

Refs/LOS-

Okay, this is boring. Either we are both supposed to get meteored, which would suck. Or we give standing orders, and I get to outwait your fog. Or one of us makes a move. Since I don't want both of us to get meteored, then I suppose one of us has to make a significant move.

Move- Draw bow
Standard-Ready an action to fire my bow at the nearest target or the nearest fog square if no target is present, trigger:LOS to enemy or end of opponents turn


End of Turn

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:No LoS.

Zan:No LoS.

[Lightbogart]

Action:
I move to M25
Spider A moves to C17
Spider B moves to C18
Spider C moves to E19

End of turn

[Sallera]

Refs:Listen for Louis: [roll0]

Louis:No LoS.

Zan:No LoS.

[Dwalin]

Refs/LOS-

Since I still have no LOS, then the end of his turn triggers my bow attack to M25.
Since I have a miss chance, then I suppose that I am supposed to have a ref check that.
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]; less than 4.5 defaults to 4

After that, it is now my turn again (since my action triggered at end of his turn), so I will ready an action Attack with my ballista to anything which I gain LOS to


End of Turn

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:A trigger based on your opponent's end of turn requires you to observe them end their turn. Also, since you don't have LoS to M25+0, you would only be able to attack the squares above that. No LoS.

Zan:No LoS.

[Dwalin]

Refs-

Alright, that makes sense about the end of turn trigger not being an option. Not sure how I can't attack the square of M-25 though. I admit that anything in that square has full concealment, meaning the 50% miss chance, but I thought that attacking a square which you have LOE to but no LOS to was legit. I just am trying to get this clarrified, so an explanation would be great. Otherwise I suppose my actual turn stands.


No changes, so still your turn.

[Sallera]

Louis:The altar is a full 5ft high, so it blocks your LoE from M8 to M25 (at least at ground level).

[Dwalin]

Refs-

Oh, Damn. I didn't catch that at all. That completely ****s with my whole idea of what has been happening. I thought I could see over the altar. I guess that now I get to move around a little more and see if anything interesting happens.

[Lightbogart]

Action:
I stay in M25
Spider A moves to C9
Spider B moves to C10
Spider C moves to H16

End turn

[Sallera]

Zan:Could I get the exact orders you gave them? I'll have to control them when they're out of your sight.

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
Pretty much A and B moves left and up towards Louis and when they reach him they will web Louis and attack him and C moves right to act as cannon fodder by getting in Louis' LOS before he gets webbed

[Sallera]

Refs:Listen for Louis: [roll0]

Louis:You see a small fiendish monstrous spider enter C9, triggering your readied action. Do you take it?

[Dwalin]

Refs\LOS

I will take my readied action (looked at his sheet and realized his schtick again)

[Dwalin]

Refs/LOS-

Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1] Less than 13.5 defaults to 12

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Louis:Miss. Spider in C9.

Zan:Spider in H16.

Zan's turn.

[Lightbogart]

Action:
I stay in M24
Spider C moves to L12


Sallera:
Wait what did you mean by spider in H16? If I'm guessing right it means I don't control Spider A and B anymore, but I have some actions just in case

[Sallera]

Zan:Spiders A and B are out of your LoS now, so you could either try shouting orders to them and hope they hear you, or just leave them to act on the orders previously given. And yes, the spider in H16 I referred to was C. What order did you give to C?

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
Move to L12 and thanks for the clarification

[Sallera]

Zan:I was looking for the duration on your summons, and I noticed it only seems to be 2 rounds. Is there something I'm missing on your sheet that extends it further?

[Lightbogart]

Sallera:
Oh man that means I lost I can't believe I forgot the durations. Well then.....

I surrender my summons ran out. sorry for wasting everyone's time :smallfrown:

[Sallera]

High Ref Sallera

Louis takes a bloodless victory.