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GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 05:38 PM
Valgyti: a lost art of fighting with your mouth and your stomach.

'Ello all, first post and first contribution, most of this is simply a repost/tweak of an idea a buddy of mine tried that never got off the ground. Without further ado....



Valgyti Combat:
Valgyti check = 1d20 + base attack bonus + strength + size modifier. Like a grapple check, but certain things affect it without affecting grapple and visa versa.

Escape check = grapple check or escape artist check.

New Grapple Attack Options (if you have multiple attacks, you may use them for multiple grapple attacks)
Grapple Attack: Ingest
If you succeed at an opposed grapple check against a creature you are grappling, the target is now in your mouth. With creatures that are smaller than your mouth (which is two sizes smaller than you), you may repeat this action and place several creatures in your mouth, but with larger creatures you must swallow or spit out the first before you can ingest another. If the prey is your equal to your mouth size or smaller, you are no longer considered grappling (but the prey is). Targets in your mouth can be bitten (with no penalty), pinned, or swallowed. You may not attempt to consume any creature greater than 2 sizes above you (IE, a small creature may eat a Large creature but nothing bigger.)

Grapple Attack: Swallow
As an attack action you may make a single Valgyti roll. All creatures in your mouth are sent to your stomach unless they beat you with an opposed roll.

So Basically:
Free <-(0)-> Grapple <-(1)-> Mouth <-(2)-> Stomach
Preds want to move prey to the right. They make individual grapple attacks to do (0), individual ingest attacks to do (1), a single swallow attack does (2) to all targets in the mouth. The Voracious feat gives preds a bonus attack to use for (1) or (2), but not (0).
Prey want to move to the left. (0), (1), and (2) are all accomplished with a grapple attack or escape artist check. The Elusive feat gives a bonus attempt to do any of these.

Stomach capacity: If you eat your size in food, your stuffing penalty is -4 . If you eat twice your size, its -8; three times your size, -12 and so on. The stuffed penalty applies to actions requiring speed and balance, like melee attacks, thrown weapon attacks, and str- and dex- based skill checks. Half of the stuffed penalty applies to AC, grapple rolls, and reflex saves. Valgyti attacks, initiative and most ranged attacks are not affected by the stuffed penalty. At -8 and every 4 points beyond it, a pred takes a -10 ft penalty to all movement. There is no maximum capacity, you can eat until you are too fat to stand up. Oh, the gluttony!

Digestion: At the beginning of your turn, you can (if you want) deal digestion damage to everything in your stomach; this is automatic and does not require any action. In addition, as an attack action you may make a melee attacks against a target in your stomach, dealing digestion damage if you hit.
Base digestion damage is 1d6+str for all creatures. After the 8 hours required to fully digest a meal, the pred recovers 1/8th of the digested meal's max HP, adding them to temporary HP if full.

Stomach AC: Swallowed prey can make an attempt to cut their way out of a predator's stomach, rather than coming back up the same way they had went down. The AC of the stomach's interior is equal to 15 + Preds natural armor bonus. Dealing damage equal to 1/3 of the predator's total HP will cause the predator to get queasy, throwing up the character who has done the damage. Predators do not disgorge the entire contents of their stomachs--it is a character by character basis.

Escaping from a stomach: Escaping from a stomach is simply a check of 15 + predators Valgyti bonus. There is no opposed roll to get out of the stomach - it is a set DC, based upon how efficient the predator is. However, once back in the throat/mouth, another opposed roll can be made to try and get back into a grapple...or, for the predator to once more swallow it's prey!


Feats (Version 3.5):
Predatory feats

Predatory Instinct [Valgyti]
You have a hunger that can only be satisfied with a live meal.
Prerequisites: none
Benefits: You gain a +2 bonus on Valgyti checks and on intimidate checks involving predation.
Note: Devourers or creatures with the Predator template gain this feat as a bonus feat at 1st level.

Voracious [Valgyti]
You really enjoy eating.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, one other Valgyti feat
Benefit As part of a standard or full attack action, you may make one additional attack at your highest base attack bonus. This attack must be a Valgyti action (ingest or swallow), so you must already be grappling to use it.

Improved Chomp [Valgyti]
You eat by grabbing prey in your jaws.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, Base Attack Bonus +4, bite attack
Benefit If you score a hit with a bite attack, you may attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity.
Normal: Starting a grapple requires a melee touch attack and provokes an attack of opportunity.
Note: This feat overlaps with Improved Grapple; the latter is intended for those who start grapples with their hands, and this feat for predators who mainly grapple with their mouths. If you take both feats, you may start a grapple with either method, and always have the +4 bonus when doing so.

Greater Chomp [Valgyti]
You take prey in a single bite.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, Improved Chomp, Two other Valgyti feats, Base Attack Bonus: +7
Benefit: When you successfully start a grapple following a bite attack, you may chose to have the target start out in your mouth.
Normal: A successful bite allows you to start a grapple, a second grapple attack is needed to ingest the target.

Ambush Chomp [Valgyti]
Your prey are caught off guard and sent down the hatch before they even know what's happening.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, Improved Chomp
Benefit: When making a bite attack versus a target denied their dexterity bonus to AC, you gain the benefits of Greater Chomp feat.
Special: If you already have the Greater Chomp feat, you instead gain a +4 bonus on ingest attempts versus a target denied their dexterity bonus to AC.

Tight Belly [Valgyti]
Once inside, your prey find it difficult to do anything other than dissolve.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit: Characters in your stomach take a -3 penalty to attacks and escape rolls.
Special: You may take this feat multiple times. Its effect stacks.

Belly Crush [Valgyti]
You know how to use your extra bulk to your advantage in close combat.
Prerequisite: Improved Grapple, Predatory Instinct, three other Valgyti feats
Benefit: When grappling, you do not apply half your stuffed penalty to grapple rolls to initiate a grapple, to deal damage or to pin. In addition, against opponents that are your size or smaller you may instead apply your stuffed penalty as a bonus, up to a maximum bonus equal to half your BAB, to offensive grapple rolls and grapple damage. (example: medium pred with BAB +6 and stuffed penalty -4 would take no penalty to offensive grapple rolls; against foes that are medium or smaller they would get +3 grapple attack and +3 grapple damage) Valgyti checks and defensive grapple checks are unaffected by this feat.
Normal: Characters apply half of their stuffed penalty to all grapple rolls.

Improved Mastication [Valgyti]
As you eat, you may easily shred prey between your jaws.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, bite attack, Base Attack Bonus +6
Benefit: You may make multiple bite attacks using your full base attack bonus against creatures you have ingested as part of a full attack action; such attacks gain a +1 circumstance bonus to hit and damage.
Normal: You may make one bite attack per round. Biting ingested targets incurs no penalty or bonus.

Cleave & Great Cleave [General]
Special: These feats are triggered by successful ingest, as long as your mouth is not full following the attack. The bonus attack must be another ingest or a bite attack.

Terrible Jaws [Valgyti]
Your mouth is the stuff of prey's nightmares.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, one other Valgyti feat, intimidate 7 ranks
Benefit Whenever you score a hit with your bite against a creature smaller than you, that creature must make a will save DC 10+1/2 your HD+your strength modifier or become shaken for 1d6 rounds

Greater Churn [Valgyti]
By focusing on your belly, you can make things very unpleasant for those inside.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefits: When you make active digest attacks, you may target all creatures in your stomach (use one attack roll, roll damage for each hit separately). In addition, you gain a +2 bonus to active digest attacks.
Normal: You may target individual creatures in your stomach with active digest attacks.

Dexterous Maw [Valgyti]
Once ingested, your prey find resisting your slippery tongue to be a futile effort.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit: Prey take a -3 penalty on all escape or attack rolls while in your mouth.
Special: You may select this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.

Strong Stomach [Valgyti]
The smooth muscle tissue of your gastrointestinal tract is very dense and resistant to harm.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit: The natural armor bonus of your stomach increases by +3. The hp needed to cut through your interior increases by 15.
Special: You may select this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.
Normal: The AC of your interior is 15 + natural armor bonus. To escape by cutting, prey must deal damage with a light slashing or piercing weapon equal to 1/3 the pred's max hp.

Impenetrable Stomach [Valgyti]
The tissue of your gastrointestinal track is incredibly resistant to harm. Only the most determined prey can even make you uncomfortable.
Prerequisites: Predatory instinct, Strong Stomach
Benefit: The natural armor bonus of your stomach increases by another +3 (This bonus stacks with the bonus from Strong Stomach). The HP needed to cut through you interior increases by another 15. Prey must now deal at least 15 points to your insides before any is negated from your health.
Normal: The AC of your interior is 15 + natural armor bonus. To escape by cutting, prey must deal damage with a light slashing or piercing weapon equal to 1/3 the pred's max HP.

Improved Acid [Valgyti]
Your body secretes greater volumes of gastric juices than normal. (or stronger juices)
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit: You deal an additional 1d8 acid damage to prey in your stomach every round, and an additional 1d8 damage on active digest attacks.
Special You may purchase this feat multiple times. Each time you deal an additional 1d8 acid damage.

Improved Stretch [Valgyti]
You are able to stretch and contort your body and your mouth to accommodate prey of even larger sizes. Bon appetite!
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, one other Valgyti feat
Benefit: The maximum size you are allowed to ingest is increased by one level.
Normal: You are allowed to ingest creatures up to 2 sizes above your own.
Special: You may purchase this feat multiple times. Its effect stacks.

Merciless [Valgyti]
Once your prey has begun to limp, it's pretty much over.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, two other Valgyti feats, Base Attack Bonus +5
Benefit: The bonuses on Valgyti checks against injured prey are doubled.
Normal: Valgyti checks against prey that have lost 1/3 of their hit points have a +2 circumstance bonus. Against prey that have lost 2/3 of their hit points, Valgyti checks have a +4 circumstance bonus.

Large Maw [Valgyti]
You are able to take food in huge bites.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit: Your mouth is one size smaller than your size.
Normal: Your mouth size is two sizes smaller than your size. A predator is no longer considered grappling after ingesting prey, unless that prey is larger than their mouth size.

No Escape [Valgyti]
Food only moves in one direction through your mouth.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, two other Valgyti feats, Base Attack Bonus +6
Benefit A successful escape from your mouth provokes an attack of opportunist from you. This attack must be a bite attack, or a grapple attack to return the prey to the mouth.

Improved Grapple [General] (modified from standard version)
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike or natural weapon
Benefit No attack of opportunity for starting grapple, +4 on grapple or escape checks (but not on Valgyti checks).
Normal: Attempting to start a grapple provokes an attack of opportunity from the target.

Grapple Defense [General]
You do not let your guard down against outside attacks when you're grappling.
Prerequisites: Dexterity 13+, Improved Grapple, Combat Reflexes
Benefit When grappling, you retain your dex bonus to AC against attacks from outside the grapple. You still threaten the space around you while grappling.
Normal: Combatants in a grapple lose their dex bonus to AC against attacks from outside the grapple. You do not threaten anyone during a grapple except the creatures you are grappling with unless you beat their check by 20.

Improved Gluttony [Valgyti]
You are able to stuff yourself past your normal limits.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct.
Benefit Your size is doubled for the purposes of capacity and digestion speed.
Normal: If you eat your size in food, you take a -4 stuffing penalty. If you eat twice your size, its -8; three times your size, -12 and so on. You digest your size worth of food in 8 hours, 4 hours if resting.
Special You may purchase this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.

Improved Digestion [Valgyti]
Your body is able to absorb every last ounce of nourishment from your food, and to do it quickly.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct and either Strong Stomach, Improved Acid, or Powerful Abdomen
Benefit: You recover 1/5th of your prey's max HP upon the culmination of digestion. Additionally, your digestion speed is doubled.
Normal: You digest your size's worth of food in 8 hours (4 if resting) and recover 1/8th of your total prey's max HP upon digestion.

Powerful Abdomen [Valgyti]
Your stomach is like a biological trash compactor.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, Strength 13+
Benefit: You may add your strength bonus times 1.5 to digestion damage. Creatures in your stomach take a -2 penalty on all rolls.
Normal: You add your strength bonus to digestion damage.

Mighty Abdomen [Valgyti]
The contents of your stomach are under incredible pressure. Even when stuffed, a pred with this feat can hold in their gut and have only a slight bulge.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct, Powerful Abdomen, Base Attack Bonus +6
Benefit You may add twice your strength bonus to digestion damage. Creatures in your stomach take a -4 penalty on all rolls. (this replaces the penalty from powerful abdomen).
Normal: You add your strength bonus to digestion damage.

Improved Digestion [Valgyti]
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit Your automatic digestion damage increases by one step, as with the Improved Natural Attack feat.
Normal: A medium creature has a digestion damage of 1d6.

Deep Gut[Valgyti]
Your stomach empties into an additional digestive chamber, increasing your ability to handle large meals. This extra feat might represent a second stomach chamber, a separate stomach, or it might represent powerful intestines that are as dangerous as the stomach. All of these function the same.
Prerequisites: Predatory Instinct
Benefit: As a grapple attack action, you may send a creature currently in your stomach deeper into your gut by succeeding at an opposed Valgyti check. Creatures in the second chamber take an additional 1d8 points of acid damage each round, and cannot attempt to enter the throat until they return to the top stomach. Add the contents of all stomachs together for the purpose of calculating fullness.
Special You may purchase this feat multiple times, each time gaining additional depth. Each subsequent chamber deals an additional 1d8 damage (eg. 2d8 for third stomach, 3d8 for fourth)




Escape feats

Determined Prey [General]
You refuse to be another creature's food.
Prerequisites: none
Benefit You gain a +6 competence bonus to active escape rolls. Passive escape rolls (made against enemy attacks) are unaffected by this feat.

Elusive [general]
You are difficult to hold onto.
Prerequisites: Determined Prey
Benefit Once per round as a free action you may make a single bonus escape attempt using either your highest grapple attack or the escape artist skill.
Normal You may make escape attempts as part of a full round action using grapple rolls, or as a standard action using escape artist.

Never Give Up [General, Fighter]
You draw strength from your courage.
Prerequisites: Determined Prey
Benefit Whenever you make a successful escape attempt or your predator fails a Valgyti check, you gain a +6 morale bonus on your next escape attempt.

Hide Weakness [General]
You are able to defend yourself, even when injured.
Prerequisites: none
Benefit Predators gain no bonus against you for injury.
Normal: Valgyti checks against prey that have lost 1/3 of their hit points have a +2 circumstance bonus. Against prey that have lost 2/3 of their hit points, Valgyti checks have a +4 circumstance bonus.

Leap for Freedom [General]
Predators have a hard time keeping you where they want you.
Prerequisites: Determined Morsel
Benefit: When you successfully escape from the mouth, you may chose to escape from the grapple entirely.
Normal: The predator may chose to be grappling you after you escape from the mouth.

Squirmer [General]
You use speed and flexibility in addition to brute strength to escape predators.
Prerequisites: Escape Artist 6 ranks
Benefit: You may use a full attack action to make multiple escape attempts as though your ranks in Escape Artist were a BAB. (Example: 7 ranks is +7/+2)
Normal: You may either use grapple attacks to escape a grapple, or make one escape artist attempt as a standard action.

Inedible [General]
You don't go down without a fight.
Prerequisites: Determined Prey
Benefit Whenever a predator fails on a Valgyti check against you, they provoke an attack of opportunity. If this AoO hits, you gain a bonus on your next escape attempt against that pred equal to the damage dealt.

Morph Bark
2010-10-03, 05:40 PM
I see your nommer and I counter with my nommee (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9361109). :smallamused:

I think eating more than your size is... kind of overkill though. Is this meant for creatures of all sizes?

GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 05:51 PM
I see your nommer and I counter with my nommee (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9361109). :smallamused:

I think eating more than your size is... kind of overkill though. Is this meant for creatures of all sizes?

It is, in fact. And lol, didn't expect to see other such things on here. You win points!

The Tygre
2010-10-03, 05:56 PM
What have you done, and why do I love it?

GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 06:43 PM
Lol is that first question rhetorical or do you really wanna know?

Actually are they both rhetorical? o.O

monkman
2010-10-03, 07:07 PM
if they had weapons wouldnt they kill you?

GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 07:09 PM
Perhaps if they were able to kill you in one hit, but otherwise no. And if they were able to kill you in one hit they probably wouldn't be a good candidate for consumption (or fighting in general, for that matter).

monkman
2010-10-03, 07:11 PM
i mean if your inside your able to acces the organs much more easy and a lv 1 fighter would be able to really hurt you, he would just have to poke his sword around ad it would really damage. maybe the eating part you can make a chew that will hurt them like hell.

GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 08:35 PM
Not only would you have to have some kind of magical stomach in order to even eat something your size (which you can do), but you seem to have failed to notice the fact that, for all intents and purposes, weapons don't matter.

Think about it. A fist and a blade do the same type of damage, but in different magnitudes. You can slash someone or punch them a few times and in the end, they have the same level of injury, as far as the game knows. So even without the whole magical stomach thing, the point you have juxtaposed is rendered moot quite easily.

Although I will admit both my buddy and I put a lampshade over that while cooking this up...

Realms of Chaos
2010-10-03, 10:04 PM
A ruleset for a fetish? :smallconfused:
Meh, why not. At least the rules seem pretty balanced. As it's generally assumed that fine creatures can't fit colossal ones in their stomach, you may want to limit this type of combat to creatures 2+ size categories smaller than themselves and make a featt that increases this limit by one size category whenever it is taken. :smallbiggrin:

Makiru
2010-10-03, 10:10 PM
I remember seeing this ruleset before during some random lurkings. Still as convoluted as before, but probably the closest you can bend the system to the desired intent.

GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 10:28 PM
Lol. Thanks for pointing that out RoC, silly me... gonna have to tweak that. Though there are some creatures like fey with "hammerspace tummies" who that wouldn't apply to, most people will be subject to this, which I shall now edit into the above post.

Benly
2010-10-03, 10:55 PM
i mean if your inside your able to acces the organs much more easy and a lv 1 fighter would be able to really hurt you, he would just have to poke his sword around ad it would really damage. maybe the eating part you can make a chew that will hurt them like hell.

By the rules, a standard swallow whole attack lets you chop your way out from the inside without any particular extra harm to the guy you're cutting your way out of, with "muscle action" closing the hole. Logic and Swallow Whole are not close kin in D&D.

GoddessViolet
2010-10-03, 10:58 PM
By the rules, a standard swallow whole attack lets you chop your way out from the inside without any particular extra harm to the guy you're cutting your way out of, with "muscle action" closing the hole. Logic and Swallow Whole are not close kin in D&D.

Thank you for putting this even further to bed.

Owrtho
2010-10-03, 11:32 PM
It's fun to see rules for eating opponents. As a side note, this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8550587) class initially stemmed from the idea that it would be fun to go into combat with a huge creature (such as a purple worm) and just eat it rather than it eating you.

Owrtho

Benly
2010-10-04, 03:42 AM
I've always been excessively amused by the idea of an elan Master Transmogrifist who makes one of his favored forms human and Infinite Variety's ridiculous abilities onto it - most notably the ability to swallow Huge enemies from a Purple Worm.

Making it a standard rules effect almost seems to cheapen the absurdity somehow. :smalleek:

GoddessViolet
2010-10-04, 08:26 AM
Making it a standard rules effect almost seems to cheapen the absurdity somehow. :smalleek:

I dunno, the idea that even a tiny little pixie could conceivably turn you into fey chow seems a little bit more absurd. But to each his own.

Also open and hoping for suggestions. Whether or not they're related to this specific ruleset. :D

Realms of Chaos
2010-10-04, 09:06 AM
Lol. Thanks for pointing that out RoC, silly me... gonna have to tweak that. Though there are some creatures like fey with "hammerspace tummies" who that wouldn't apply to, most people will be subject to this, which I shall now edit into the above post.

As far as I know, this isn't true. :smallconfused:
Though creature type does determine if you require food or not, the actual amount of food you need seems dependant on your size alone (as the price of trail rations scale with size).
That said, there aren't any rules for overeating or tummy-aches in DnD so you could just as easily argue that all creatures do or don't have hammerspace stomachs (though I'm inclined to call bs unless you find words along the lines of "hammerspace stomachs" somewhere in the rules).

That said, there is a very specific reason why pixies can't eat me. I can't fit in their mouth. :smalltongue:
If tiny creatures had the ability to shrink others down, to open their mouths larger than themselves, or to teleport me into their stomach, there would be some sort of rule text supporting that (considering that one of those is an identifiable feature that would be listed under its descriptive text and two of those would count as special attacks).

That's not to say that you can't make a vore fairy, of course, but the claim that all any creature can eat others larger than itself falls completely flat due to this logic. Vore in the sense that you're thinking of would be an aberration (and one requiring strong magic or multiple feats to even perform properly) rather than the norm.

radmelon
2010-10-04, 09:22 AM
What is the "Devourer" class?

GoddessViolet
2010-10-04, 06:45 PM
What is the "Devourer" class?

Y'know, I don't know myself as they don't exist yet, unless someone else made one. I'll probably make one as a template and perhaps make a class, but for some creatures it would be really tough to justify multiclassing to devourer as opposed to the monster class.

Also the template would be called Predator instead of devourer because I don't want confusion.

Realms of Chaos
2010-10-04, 10:29 PM
Any response to my argument against the "megamouth fairy" theory I typed up above? :smallamused:

GoddessViolet
2010-10-04, 10:50 PM
Um.... Our Fey Are Different, and tl;dr? :smalleek:

Honestly I'm busy trying to figure out Maptool, oh god.... and when I'm not doing that I'll be working on my actual campaign. Which I should post a separate thread for because I have sort of ideas for it now.

Not to say I'll be unavailable outside of those, oh no! I'll be watching this with a close eye to see if anything crops up and will be debating what else to brew up.

Lix Lorn
2010-10-05, 02:46 AM
Uh. This has ben vaguely mentioned, but in case you didn't know.

Vore does not mean eating things. Vore means eating things for sexual gratification.
It is a fetish, and unless that was intentional, you might want to find a different name.

GoddessViolet
2010-10-06, 04:45 PM
Lix: lol fixed