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Rahas
2010-10-19, 02:35 AM
I have an ECL 9 character in a real life game that I just don't know how to build any further the current build is Wiz 4 then that char got bitten by a wereboar (3HD +2 LA). Is there any PrC that could help me not lose anymore spellcasting levels or should I go straight wizard?

Drakevarg
2010-10-19, 02:39 AM
Does Practiced Spellcaster apply to RHD? :smallconfused:

ranagrande
2010-10-19, 02:40 AM
I'd recommend Abjurant Champion.

ffone
2010-10-19, 02:41 AM
I believe Practiced Spellcaster does apply to racial HD (IIRC it uses 'character level' - and you could probably convince a DM to let you use ECL even, he owes it to you after reaming a wizard with a were-template).

I guess go gish. Find your favorite gish PrC (a recent thread on it) and pick up its requirements as soon as you can. Then prepare spells that either serve out of combat utility uses (like Knock) and-or ones that augment your physical attacks (especially swift-action spells like the ridiculous Wraithstrike).

Rahas
2010-10-19, 02:48 AM
I already have practiced spellcaster, and combat wise I serve more as battlefield control being a Focused specialist Conjurer.

I could do abjurant champion, if I didn't ban abjuration.

ranagrande
2010-10-19, 03:54 AM
In that case, I'd take at least one more level of Wizard for the bonus feat and then go Master Specialist.

Douglas
2010-10-19, 08:16 AM
In that case, I'd take at least one more level of Wizard for the bonus feat and then go Master Specialist.
No, no, you want Swiftblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327). The stat bonuses and HD/LA of wereboar pretty much force you to go gish if you care at all about optimization, and Swiftblade is one of the best gish PrCs. If you don't have the feat prereqs yet, see if your DM will allow quick retraining to get them. You've already been slammed with a gigantic nerfbat by dropping a template like this on your full caster, so he may (and should, in my opinion) be amenable to that as a minor compensation.

I realize that doesn't really help with caster level, and even loses more caster levels, but the pure caster route is pretty much a lost cause already and Swiftblade's bonuses are actually big enough to be meaningful despite the extra lost casting progression.

Souhiro
2010-10-19, 08:31 AM
Why do you talk about "Salvaging"?

Did you lose your magic powers just for losing a few HP to a WereBoar?

Demons_eye
2010-10-19, 08:43 AM
Why do you talk about "Salvaging"?

Did you lose your magic powers just for losing a few HP to a WereBoar?

He counts as a leve 9 person with the spell casting powers of a level 4 wizard.

Douglas
2010-10-19, 09:13 AM
Why do you talk about "Salvaging"?

Did you lose your magic powers just for losing a few HP to a WereBoar?
Being bitten by a wereboar (or any were-creature) is a lot worse than just losing a few hp. Bite by wereboar = fort save or become wereboar*. He apparently failed the save and is now a wereboar, complete with 3 racial hit dice and 2 level adjustment, putting his spellcasting ability hopelessly far behind his level.

* Creatures that become were-creatures (aka lycanthropes) in this way cannot pass on the curse in turn. Natural lycanthrope bite = victim makes fort save or becomes afflicted lycanthrope. Afflicted lycanthrope bite = nothing special.

HunterOfJello
2010-10-19, 12:20 PM
I'd go searching for a cure to your disease asap. Clerics can cast Remove Curse at level 5, so it shouldn't be hard for you to go find someone to help you.

It's a much better solution than having your character ruined by useless features with heavy costs.

jiriku
2010-10-19, 01:28 PM
I'd go searching for a cure to your disease asap. Clerics can cast Remove Curse at level 5, so it shouldn't be hard for you to go find someone to help you.

It's a much better solution than having your character ruined by useless features with heavy costs.

This approach is boaring. Take swiftblade and leap into the fray. Just make sure you don't hog the spotlight.

Tvtyrant
2010-10-19, 01:31 PM
This approach is boaring. Take swiftblade and leap into the fray. Just make sure you don't hog the spotlight.

awful pun.

Become a pally, get a boar as a mount, then look like a boar riding a boar into battle :D

Urpriest
2010-10-19, 01:43 PM
This approach is boaring. Take swiftblade and leap into the fray. Just make sure you don't hog the spotlight.

Boar, not bear. I'm sorry, but the rules say you can't do that unless it's a thread about bears. Not my fault, not my rule.

I agree with previous suggestions to get a cure disease. As for Abjurant Champion and the like, here's the thing: currently, you won't be gaining a level for quite some time. For the next five levels or so you'll stay exactly as you are now while the rest of the party levels up. Sure, you might gain a level in the meantime, but that won't be enough to make you a functional gish in the interim. You're stuck with your current build for much longer than the rest of the party is stuck with theirs.

Rahas
2010-10-19, 01:44 PM
Well the entire group is afflicted lycanthropes so I'm not going to remove it, I do understand that by not removing I lose a lot of capabilities. And the last conjurer I played went master specialist rather not do it again. Nothing wrong with the class just want to try something else out.

Swiftblade does look good buts its a matter of the feats, plus I still need to get another level wizard for 3rd level spells.

Demons_eye
2010-10-19, 01:56 PM
Remember to pick up natural spell.

Urpriest
2010-10-19, 02:02 PM
Remember to pick up natural spell.

Only works for Wild Shape.

Rahas
2010-10-19, 02:02 PM
Does the afflicted shapechange also count as wild shape?

Douglas
2010-10-19, 02:02 PM
Swiftblade does look good buts its a matter of the feats, plus I still need to get another level wizard for 3rd level spells.
Talk with your DM about the possibility of retraining or just swapping out a feat or two on the spot as compensation for having this sprung on you without warning. Or, possibly, take this variant (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizard) to replace your wizard bonus feat next level with a fighter bonus feat. Also, the three hit dice from the template itself should give you a feat, and if you either didn't realize that or haven't picked it yet that should help.

Alternatively, hire a psion to use Psychic Reformation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/psychicReformation.htm) on you.

Urpriest
2010-10-19, 02:04 PM
Does the afflicted shapechange also count as wild shape?

Not without houserules to that effect. However, nothing prevents you from casting in hybrid form, IIRC.

Rahas
2010-10-19, 02:07 PM
douglas I'll need to remember that variant when I do gish'es, but I already gave up Scribe Scroll for augment summoning via the enhanced summoning variant from UA. I also gave up the familar for the rapid summoning variant (UA).

Sorry that I keep throwing things in the way of ideas.

Urpriest
2010-10-19, 02:31 PM
douglas I'll need to remember that variant when I do gish'es, but I already gave up Scribe Scroll for augment summoning via the enhanced summoning variant from UA. I also gave up the familar for the rapid summoning variant (UA).

Sorry that I keep throwing things in the way of ideas.

One thought: if everyone in the party is now an afflicted lycanthrope, everyone will have the same LA. Nothing has actually reduced your spellcasting. While you could gish, it depends whether your future foes will be of CR comparable to your LA. If so, then you'll want to gish to make up for the power imbalance, but if you're fighting the stuff you fought before then it should be fine to just keep wizarding away.

Rahas
2010-10-19, 02:38 PM
We are fighting things based upon our ECL, so gish seems to be the way to go. A friend recommended doing eldritch knight(DMG), so I'm contemplating doing that or working towards swiftblade.

Douglas
2010-10-19, 02:58 PM
douglas I'll need to remember that variant when I do gish'es, but I already gave up Scribe Scroll for augment summoning via the enhanced summoning variant from UA. I also gave up the familar for the rapid summoning variant (UA).

Sorry that I keep throwing things in the way of ideas.
Familiar has nothing to do with that variant, and already having given up Scribe Scroll just means you wouldn't get a fighter bonus feat for level 1. If your DM is willing to consider variants like that in the first place (it's from UA just like enhanced summoning, btw), I see little reason to deny such a simple alteration of a variant as that - it's a straightforward replacement of bonus feats with an equal number of bonus feats drawn from a different list, just say it only applies to the bonus feats you haven't already traded out.


We are fighting things based upon our ECL, so gish seems to be the way to go. A friend recommended doing eldritch knight(DMG), so I'm contemplating doing that or working towards swiftblade.
You'd need 3rd level spells either way, so it's pretty much a given that your next level will be Wizard 5. I would definitely recommend Swiftblade over Eldritch Knight, so it's just a question of how quickly you can get the prereqs. If your DM allows the wizard bonus feat to fighter bonus feat (for list of options only, not how many you get and when) variant, that's one prereq feat taken care of. If he allows retraining (PHB2), that's another. If you overlooked or have not already chosen the feat for the wereboar hit dice, that's a third. If your DM is flexible about letting you change things after receiving this unexpected giant alteration to your build, that's one or potentially more.

You only need 2, 3 if you don't already have any martial proficiencies.

Given the general optimization focus of both your original build (Focused Specialist Conjurer) and request for advice here, I'm guessing your race is Grey Elf. If so, that takes care of the martial weapon proficiency issue handily.

If you can find a psion for Psychic Reformation, all of this becomes a moot point as you can swap out any or all of your feats instantly for a relatively small amount of gold and xp.

Rahas
2010-10-19, 05:18 PM
Ok thanks for the help guys.