Arena Tournament, Round 98: Oro & Wildgeist vs. Mad Al & Krunk

[ArenaManager]

Arena Tournament, Round 98: Oro & Wildgeist vs. Mad Al & Krunk

Map:
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XP Award: 600 XP to each non-DQd member of winning team
GP Award: 600 GP to each non-DQd member of winning team

Oro (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=142599) - Scorer
Wildgeist (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=8242) - Wildgeist
Mad Al (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=6774) - Psionic Dog
Krunk (http://coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=8879) - theterran


All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare any final purchases

Prior to the match start you may privately plan by spoiler or PM with your partner, but after the start any communications will need to be done in character inside the arena as rules allow.

[theterran]

Krunk

[roll0]

Purchases are reactionary...

Random Question:
How high do the clouds go?

[Sallera]

It's "as Obscuring Mist," so 20.

[Psionic Dog]

[roll0]

Considering possible purchases.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Reporting In!!!

Rolling Initiative: [roll0]

Considering purchases...

Good fight everybody!!!!:smallbiggrin:

[Psionic Dog]

I'm not going last!? :smalltongue:
That was a surprise.

@theTerran
I'm thinking for maximum effect I ought to do my biggest equipment upgrades now in the first match. Right now either a +1 armor enhancement or a Cognizance Crystal for an extra energy blast are at the top of my buy list.

Thoughts?


Also, any plans on tactics? "Krunk provides Arial Reconnaissance" or "We both go Sneak-Sneak-Surprise" would probably work well on this match, although I'm not sure what would work best against Oro & W.

[theterran]

If I go first with a roll of 10, I'm going to be shocked! :smalleek:

@Psionic Dog
Doesn't matter. I'd planned to take to the sky, as it seems their ranged abilities are a bit lacking...plus I can hit them with blindness from a safe range! Thoughts?

[Psionic Dog]

@TheTerran
Blindness is always lots of fun (if it's the other guy). Slower movement, targeting trouble, flatfooted... :smallcool:

The only flaw is that it allows a Fort save to negate, and Wilgeist has an impressive Fortitude with Oro no push over either. You may want to go with KFG's if they're too cheap to buy fire pots, especially against the water orc.

Purchasing a Cognizance Crystal and a Powerstone of (ML2 Vigor + 2x Deflection Fields)

Total Spent: 1,100 gp.

Nothing else planed. May make a reactionary purchase.

[Scorer]

Rolling Init

[roll0]

still need to think purchases and strategy...

[theterran]

Looks like I'm going first...I'll wait for everyone to say they're ready though...

[Scorer]

Where can I find stats of the swindle spitter?

[TheFallenOne]

Monster Manual III

I think Candycorns Bebe had the stats of the little bugger listed completely

[Scorer]

After a lot of thinking, I will buy 3 potions of resist energy Level 1 (cold, fire, acid)

and I'm Ready to go!

[theterran]

Anyone else buying stuff?

[Wildgeist]

Nahhh I think I'm ready to go!!!

LETS GO RED TEAM!!!! :smallbiggrin:

[Psionic Dog]

No Reactions.

Scorer's purchased, Wildgeist passed, I've declined reactions...

Looks like you can start.

[Scorer]

For reference, Init order:

Krunk
Oro
Mad Al
Wildgeist

[theterran]

Doh, forgot it go first...

Krunk - Round 1

LoS:
Cast a spell Spellcraft DC:17
Alter Self
I take the form of a tiny Shadow Dragon!

I will then fly in an S pattern for 120ft slowly rising above the mist, ending in N16 (+30ft)


Done.

Well probably need LoS already...:smallwink:

Stats:
Location: N16 (+30)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 8/8
lvl 2 - 3/4

[Sallera]

Refs:Why he thinks that'll give him LoS is beyond me...

Krunk:You see Mad Al.

Wildgeist:You see Oro.

Oro:You see Wildgeist.

Mad Al:You see Krunk in N16+30.

[Scorer]

Oro 1st Turn


Start in M2 with shortbow in hands

Move to G2

Hide
[roll0]


End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ M2
Oro ended @ G2
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Shortbow
Hand 2 Wielding: Shortbow

No consumables used yet

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 1

LoS
Leave BigHeavyLadder at home.

Start holding loaded crossbow and a power-stone in one hand, with Dorje in other.
Newly purchased power stone held. Unused stone of Mater agitation in back pocket.

Standard: Use Dorje on self.

Speak: "If you can update me on enemy locations. I'll be start moving over there *points* and make my way in that direction *motions*"

*points* to North West
*motions* counterclockwise.

Move: To J-23
[roll0]

Done

Stats
HP: 7/7
AC: 26 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield]
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Abuility 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 1


Start @ M01 with Longbow in both hands.

Move to H01.

Hide: [roll0]





End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @M01
Wildgeist Ended @H01



HP 21/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16



Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Longbow
Off Hand Wielding: Longbow



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:Mad Al says "If you can update me on enemy locations. I'll be start moving over there *points* and make my way in that direction *motions*", pointing to the northwest and motioning counterclockwise. He then leaves LoS to the northwest.

Wildgeist:You see Oro in G2. You hear Mad Al say "If you can update me on enemy locations. I'll be start moving over there and make my way in that direction."

Oro:You see Wildgeist in H1. You hear Mad Al say "If you can update me on enemy locations. I'll be start moving over there and make my way in that direction."

Mad Al:No LoS.

[Wildgeist]

@ Refs/Oro

Do I have the notion what direction came Mad Al's voice??? Or is there anything I can do to know that???

[Sallera]

Wildgeist/Oro:From the east.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 2

LoS:
I'll fly to Q3, and up to +60ft. I still have my standard action left, so I"ll need another LoS Check

LoS check before I continue plz. :smallsmile:

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Krunk: [roll0]

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:You see Oro in G2. You see Krunk fly to Q3+60 in shadow dragon form.

Oro:You see Wildgeist in H1. You see Krunk fly to Q3+60 in shadow dragon form.

Mad Al:No LoS.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 2 Cont

LoS
Ready an Action:
Cast a spell if I gain LoS/LoE:
Blindness/Deafness

Done.

Stats:

Location: Q3 (+60)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 8/8
lvl 2 - 3/4

[Scorer]

Oro 1st Turn Oro 2nd Turn


Hide
[roll0]


End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ G2
Oro ended @ G2
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Shortbow
Hand 2 Wielding: Shortbow

No consumables used yet

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 2

LoS
Assuming no Scent-
Standard: Wildsurge activate Power Stone
DC 16 Psycraft
Vigor from Stone
[roll0]

Move: Sneak to F-19
[roll1]
[roll2]

Done

Stats
HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 26 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield]
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Abuility 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 9/10
Vigor: 20/20

[Wildgeist]

I'd like LoS before my turn please!!! :smallbiggrin:

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in Q3+60, and readies an action.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in Q3+60, and readies an action.

Mad Al:No LoS.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 1

@Refs/LoS
Hide: [roll0]




End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @H01



HP 21/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16



Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Longbow
Off Hand Wielding: Longbow



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[Wildgeist]

Round 2

Sorry.... :smalltongue:

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 3



LoS:
Assuming no LoS this is my flight path, scanning the area.
Movement = 24 Squares Total
Q3 - G3 (10 Squares)
G3 - F4 - F6 (3 Squares)
F6-G7 (2 Squares)
G7-P7 (9 Squares)
[roll0]

If I see someone, I'll likely change my turn, otherwise, I'll ready an action:
Cast a spell on LoS/LoE:
Blindness Deafness

Need an LoS.

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in P7+60, and readies an action.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in P7+60, and readies an action.

Mad Al:No LoS.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 3 Cont

LoS
Readied Action on LoS/LoE:
Cast a Spell:
Blindness

Done

Stats:

Location: P7 (+60)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 8/8
lvl 2 - 3/4

[Scorer]

Oro 3rd Turn


Active Listen
[roll0]
[roll1]

Im assuming these don't require me to hide again, so I keep prev hide of 17


End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ G2
Oro ended @ G2
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Shortbow
Hand 2 Wielding: Shortbow

No consumables used yet

[Psionic Dog]

For a 2v2 on clouds this is going kind of fast. :smallcool:

Mad Al - Round 3

LoS
Mad Al has Scent! :smallbiggrin:

Assuming nothing scented Sneak half speed to H14, staying in clouds as much as possible.
[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

Done

Stats
HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 26 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield]
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 8/10
Vigor: 19/20

[Wildgeist]

LoS Please before I post my turn. :smallbiggrin:

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in P7+60.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in P7+60.

Mad Al:No LoS.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 3

@Refs/LoS
Just stay put.




End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @H01



HP 21/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16



Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Longbow
Off Hand Wielding: Longbow



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[Scorer]

I will be off this next week, I will be able to post again on saturday. Sorry for the inconvinience.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 4

LoS:
I will fly to P-15, then circle back and end in L7 (only using a move action)
[roll0]

If I still do not see anyone, I'll ready an action
To cast a spell upon LoS/LoE of either of my opponentns
Blindness



Need LoS

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in L7+60 and readies an action.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in L7+60 and readies an action.

Mad Al:No LoS.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 4

Done

Stats:

Location: L7 (+60)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 8/8
lvl 2 - 3/4

[Scorer]

Oro 4th Turn


mmhhh... Last try before moving things up...

Active Listen
[roll0]
[roll1]

I keep prev hide of 17


End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ G2
Oro ended @ G2
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Shortbow
Hand 2 Wielding: Shortbow

No consumables used yet

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 4

Double Move half speed to G10 by way of F12: assuming nothing detected in route.

Sneak Sneak:
[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

Done

Stats
Has Scent!

HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 26 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield]
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 7/10
Vigor: 18/20

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Wildgeist:1d20-1[/roll]
Spot for Oro: [roll0]

[Sallera]

Refs:Oops. Spot for Wildgeist: [roll0]

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in L7+60.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in L7+60.

Mad Al:Krunk is in L7+60.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 4

@Refs/LoS
Just stay put.




End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @H01



HP 21/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16



Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Longbow
Off Hand Wielding: Longbow



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 5

LoS:
I will descend to 45ft high, and fly around to keep my altitude, and end in M1.

[roll0]
[roll1]


Need LoS Check.

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in M1+45.

Mad Al:You lose LoS to Krunk as he descends to +45 and heads to the southwest of the H4/K7 cloud bank (not sure of exact path).

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 5 (cont)

LoS:
Ready an Action:
Cast Blindness on an opponent when LoS/LoE gained.

Done.

Stats:
Location: M1 (+45)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 8/8
lvl 2 - 3/4

[Scorer]

Oro 5th Turn


Ok, time to move things up...

Ready an Action
to shoot Krunk when he starts his turn. May take a 5' step.


End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ G2
Oro ended @ G2
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Shortbow
Hand 2 Wielding: Shortbow

No consumables used yet

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 5

LoS
Assuming nothing new detected,
Sneak half speed to D7 and then to H6.

[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

Done

Stats
Have Scent!
Sneaky move through clouds to H6

HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 26 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield]
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 6/10
Vigor: 17/20

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Wildgeist: [roll0]
Spot for Oro: [roll1]
Listen for Wildgeist: [roll2]
Listen for Oro: [roll3]

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al is in F9, holding crossbow, power stone and dorje.

Mad Al:Krunk is in M1+45. When you reach F9, you see Wildgeist in H1, wielding longbow. You may revise your turn from this point.

Mad Al's turn still.

[Psionic Dog]

Oh.

Revised

Continue Sneaking to E-8.

Fighting Defensively.
Ready Action
Fighting Defensively shoot the first opponent in LoS to leave concealment or attempt a ranged attack against Al.

Done

Stats
Have Scent!
Sneaky move through clouds to H8

HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 29 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield +3 Fight Defensive]
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 6/10
Vigor: 17/20

[Wildgeist]

Could I get a LoS check please!!! :D

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al is in E8, and readies an action, fighting defensively.

Mad Al:Krunk is in M1+45. Wildgeist is in H1.

[Scorer]

@LoS/Refs/Wildgeist


Whisper: "Mad Al on sight, charge!"

[Scorer]

Testing... seems like a message is lost... problem solved. Seems like thread wouldn't display third page to me....

[Wildgeist]

@Refs/LoS
Question before I can post my turn. Can I charge Mad Al although I haven't seen him??? Or is my LoS wrong??? Apparently Oro has LoS but I don't.

[Sallera]

Wildgeist:The LoS is correct, and you require LoS to charge.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 5

@Refs/LoS
Free: Whisper I don't see him. I can't charge. Wait till both of us see him.
Move: Sheathe Longbow.
Move: Draw Greatsword.





End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @H01



HP 21/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16



Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[theterran]

Will take my turn tomorrow.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 6

LoS:
I will fly in a large circle, going north, then east, then south back to M1 where I started, using only a move action, and moving enough to keep my altitude.

[roll0]


Need an LoS

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:Before your turn, you see Wildgeist in H1, sheathing bow and drawing sword. You may revise your turn.

Wildgeist:Oro is in G2. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al is in E8.

Mad Al:Krunk is in M1+45. Wildgeist is in H1, and sheathes his bow and draws his sword.

Rewind to the beginning of Krunk's turn.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 6 rewind

LoS

Activate my Bracers (swift)
Cast a spell (Spellcraft DC16) Aimed at Wildgeist
Kelgore's Firebolt, modified with Bracers

Fire [roll0] Reflex Halves DC16

Then I will fly about in my circle to keep my altitude and end back in M1.


Done.

Stats:
Location: M1 (+45)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 7/8
lvl 2 - 3/4

[Wildgeist]

@ Refs/LoS

Reflex Save: [roll0]

[Scorer]

Oro 6th Turn


I drop my readied action
Free: Pass shortbow to mouth
Free: Draw Greatsword
Full Round: Charge Mad Al! to end up in E7

Attack
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
If Crit
[roll2]
Additional Damage
[roll3]

Miss Chance [roll4] Miss Low
Miss Chance [roll5] Miss High






End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ G2
Oro ended @ E7
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Greatsword
Hand 2 Wielding: Greatsword

No consumables used yet

[Psionic Dog]

LoS please.

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:Wildgeist is in H1. Oro charges from G2 to F7 and attacks into E8 with greatsword in hands and shortbow in mouth.

Wildgeist:Oro charges to F7 and attacks into E8. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in H1. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al is in E8. You are in F7, not E7, as that is the closest square from which you can attack. Also, didn't matter this time, but we've established a standard for concealment rolls and similar - low is always a miss.

Mad Al:Krunk is in M1+45, and hits Wildgeist with a spell, after which he flies around in a circle and back to M1+45. Wildgeist is in H1. Oro charges from G2 to F7 and misses you, with greatsword in hands and shortbow in mouth.

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 6

LoS
Assuming Oro is wearing armor,
Readied Action Triggered & Declined.

5-ft Step to E-9
Manifest a Power
DC 16 PsiCraft
WildSurged Energy Ray(Electric)
[roll0]

[roll1] (including +3 attack for target in metalic armor)
[roll2]

Swift: Manifest a Power from Stone
DC 16 PsiCraft
Deflection Field

Done

Stats
Have Scent!
E9

HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 30 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield +4 Deflection]
(Touch 19)
PP: 4+1/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 5/10
Vigor: 16/20
Deflection Field: 1/1+Concentration

[theterran]

Wildgeist...you're up! :smallwink:

[Wildgeist]

Sorry for the delay... Unexpected busy weekend + Scorer's birthday. :smallredface:

Wildgeist Round 6

Need LoS check before anyone open spoiler please... :smallbiggrin:
@Refs/LoS
Free: Five feet step to G02.
Move: Hide check [roll0]





End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @G02



HP 08/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16



Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[Sallera]

Refs:Concealment: [roll0], [roll1]

Krunk:Wildgeist is in G2. Oro is in F7, and a ray of electricity misses him.

Wildgeist:Oro is in F7, and a ray of electricity misses him. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in G2. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al leaves LoS to the north, after which a ray of electricity misses you.

Mad Al:You smell Oro. Your ray didn't hit anything.

[Psionic Dog]

Question on the Last LoS check:

@Refs
Last I heard LoS used Ranged cover rules.

Cover

To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).

Since using the F8/E9 corner allows an unobstructed line to all of Oro's (F7) corners and to one of Wildgeist's corners then Mad Al should have maintained full LoS to Oro with Wildgeist also seen through, but with basic concealment.

Assuming this is correct then even it seems possible to have still hit thank to the charge AC penalty even if Oro was under a Shield of Faith or like.

Please Confirm if Al still sees Oro And/Or Wildgeist, and if the shot is still a miss.
If Al does not see Oro please advise on how LoS is calculated for this match.

[Sallera]

Mad Al:I did look at this one for a while, but the only logical interpretation I can come up with that matches the way we currently do LoS checks is that it has to be more than a corner, even if only just - in other words, in a case like this for the viewer, the corner has to be attached to open space, rather than what's effectively the inside corner of a wall. If all that was required was the corner itself, then a character in A1 could see a character in C3 even if there is a wall in B2, and as I understand it, that's not how we would currently rule. I'm open to a counter-argument, though, if you have one.

[Psionic Dog]

@Refs
...Possibly. Certainly true on solid surfaces: but not sure how it works with fog.


Counter Argument:
While viewing through a corner may provide some concealment it doesn't come close to providing the 5+ft needed for total fog concealment. Therefore worst come to worse LoS would have remained established and Mad Al would only have been troubled by a 20% miss chance plus murky rather than a 50% murky.

It that's enough to avoid a concealment-miss then I'll play on as you've called it, otherwise I'd like a day to look for precedent on the matter.

[Sallera]

Mad Al:Hrm. The problem with that approach is that I'm not sure we've got any precedent for dealing with distance increments less than 5ft. As far as I know, we've thus far treated fog squares as walls for the purposes of LoS unless the character is standing in them.

[theterran]

So can I go?

[Psionic Dog]

I'm trying to repeal an unfavorable ref ruling. A moment longer please.

@Refs
Precedent is pretty clear that two diagonal cloud squares do not provided total concealment.

Consider: Adjacent characters in say, R11 and S12 have always had a chance to see each other historically. Here's one example. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7028502&postcount=9)

I'm still looking for precedent that confirms/denies the ability to see out a corner unobstructed. I've been playing on that assumption for the last 30 rounds, but this could be the first time the issue has ever actually come up. :smallfrown:

[Sallera]

PsiDog:Ah, yes, makes sense when you put it that way. Alright, so at most simple concealment, then. Let me know when you're done looking for precedent on the other issue, and I'll update LoS.

[Psionic Dog]

@Refs
Couldn't find anything one way or the other about seeing out unobstructed. Found a few places that confirmed LoS, but nothing that involved miss chances for attacking out.

Oh well.

Was the attack still a miss?

Issue resolved. A new LoS check and this match can be on its merry way.

[Sallera]

Refs:Concealment: [roll0], [roll1]

Krunk:Wildgeist is in G2. Oro is in F7, and gets hit with a ray of electricity.

Wildgeist:Oro is in F7. Mad Al is in E9, and hits Oro with a ray of electricity. Krunk is in M1+45.

Oro:Wildgeist is in G2. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al 5ft steps to E9 and hits you with a ray of electricity (A:13, D:15).

Mad Al:Oro is in F7. Wildgeist is in H1.

Rewind to the start of Wildgeist's turn.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 6 Rewind

Given the new LoS....
@Refs/LoS
Free: Rage
Full: Charge to Mad Al finishing in F08.

Attack [roll0]
Damage [roll1]+[roll2]

If Crit
Attack [roll3]
Damage [roll4]











End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @G02



HP 08/21 + 04 from rage Temp 12/21
AC 18 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc -2 Rage) T 12 FF 16


Rage: 1/8 Rounds


Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[Wildgeist]

Sorry, forgot to update finishing location on Stats. :smallredface:

End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @F08



HP 08/21 + 04 from rage Temp 12/21
AC 18 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc -2 Rage) T 12 FF 16


Rage: 1/8 Rounds


Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[theterran]

I would like an LoS before I take my turn :smallsmile:

[Sallera]

Wildgeist:You can't charge there; Oro is blocking your way. Please revise your turn.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 6 Rewind 2


@Refs/LoS

Move: Move to I07.
Move: Hide: [roll0]




LoS Check Please :smallsmile:


End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @H01
Wildgeist Ended @I07



HP 08/21
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc) T 12 FF 16


Rage: 0/8 Rounds


Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Mad Al: [roll0]

Krunk:You lose LoS to Wildgeist as he leaves I5 to the east. Oro is in F7.

Wildgeist:Oro is in F7. Mad Al is in E9.

Oro:Wildgeist is in I7. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al is in E9.

Mad Al:Oro is in F7. You lose LoS to Wildgeist as he leaves H4 to the southeast.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 7

LoS

Standard Action: Cast a spell (Spellcraft DC17)
Blindness/Deafness at Oro.
DC17 or he's blinded.

Then I will fly east toward where I lost sight of Wildgeist. If I do not see him, I will circle back and end back in M1. If I do, I will change my actions. Either way, I fly enough to keep my height.

[roll0]


Oro Needs to make a Fort Save.

Stats:
Location: M1 (+45)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 7/8
lvl 2 - 2/4

[Scorer]

Fort Save

[roll0]

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 7 (cont)

Need an LoS and I'm done.

Stats:
Location: M1 (+45)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 7/8
lvl 2 - 2/4

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:Oro is in F7. You see Mad Al in E9 while circling.

Wildgeist:Oro is in F7. Mad Al is in E9. Krunk moves overhead before you lose LoS to him as he returns to the southwest of the H4/K7 fog bank.

Oro:Wildgeist is in I7. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al is in E9.

Mad Al:Oro is in F7. Krunk moves overhead before you lose LoS to him as he returns to the southwest of the H4/K7 fog bank.

[Scorer]

Does this mean it is my turn?

[Sallera]

Looks like it.

[Scorer]

Oro 7th Turn


Free: 5' step to E8
Full Round: Attack Mad Al!

Attack
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
If Crit
[roll2]
Additional Crit Damage
[roll3]

It's miss low right?

Miss Chance [roll4]
Miss Chance [roll5]


End of Turn

STATS

Oro started @ E7
Oro ended @ E8
HP 18/18
AC 18 (10 +3 dex, +4 armor, +1 shield) Touch 13 FF 15

98 Arrows left
(all carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Greatsword
Hand 2 Wielding: Greatsword

No consumables used yet

[Scorer]

@refs
Did I receive damage by the way or not? I got lost in that

NOthing to hold play

[Sallera]

Scorer:You did; 15.

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 7

@LoS
Oro Misses.
Move: Tumble east out of LoS and sneak back to F-9

[roll0]
[roll1]

Standard: Manifest Psionic Power, fire electric ray at Oro

DC 16 PsiCraft
Wild Surged Energy Ray (Electric) powered by newly purchased crystal.
[roll2]

[roll3] (add +2 if unseen against FF AC)
[roll4]
[roll5]
[roll6]

Done

Stats
E9

HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 30 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield +4 Deflection]
(Touch 19)
PP: 3/4
Focused: Yes
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 4/10
Vigor: 15/20
Deflection Field: 1/1

[Wildgeist]

LoS Check Please :smallredface:

[Sallera]

Refs:Spot for Oro: [roll0]

Krunk:Oro moves to E8 and attacks into E9, and is then hit with a ray of electricity.

Wildgeist:Oro is in E8. Mad Al is in F9, and hits Oro with a ray of electricity.

Oro:Wildgeist is in I7. Krunk is in M1+45. Mad Al tumbles out of LoS to the east, then hits you for 8 damage from hiding in F9.

Mad Al:Oro is in F7.

[Scorer]

Seems that Oro is out of play...

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 7




Free: Rage
Full: Charge at Mad Al ending at G09.

Attack [roll0]
Damage [roll1]+[roll2]


Only If Critic [roll3]
Damage [roll4]




Not sure if I should also roll the concealment miss chance roll or it is Refs job...


End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @I07
Wildgeist Ended @G09



HP 08/21 + 4 temp from rage 12 hp
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc -2 rage) T 12 FF 16


Rage: 1/8 Rounds


Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[RandomAction]

Ini Ref, Random:

I believe it has become precedent that attackers roll all miss chances.

[Wildgeist]

Rolling Miss chances

[roll0] < 20 miss


In case the first roll is a miss here's the reroll from blind fight...

[roll1] < 20 miss

[Wildgeist]

Rolling Miss chances

[roll0] < 20 miss





In case the first roll is a miss here's the reroll from blind fight...

[roll1] < 20 miss

[Sallera]

Technically, it's the defender's job, or the Refs'. The attacker may roll it to save time if they know the opponent's location, but not if they're attacking blindly.

[RandomAction]

Technically, it's the defender's job, or the Refs'. The attacker may roll it to save time if they know the opponent's location, but not if they're attacking blindly.

I thought that this came up in the waiting room, earlier, and it was decided that the atacker made the rolls. Futher more it was declared that the miss chance was set to the #1 being considered the 'hit' number.

[Sallera]

As far as I know, we decided low was always a miss. Defender making miss chance rolls is RAW; there's no problem with the attacker doing it if they know where the opponent is, but if they don't, then they may not make the concealment rolls, as it could give them information they shouldn't have.

[theterran]

So is it my go? or are y'all still working something out?

And I'll need LOS before I go...

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:No LoS.

Wildgeist:Mad Al is in F9. You are in G8, not G9, as that would be the closest square you can attack from.

Mad Al:Wildgeist charges you from I7->G8, wielding greatsword, and misses.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 8

LoS:

I will fly east, then circle north ending in H13, using enough move to keep myself aloft, but only using a move action.

Will need an LOS before continuing.

[Sallera]

Refs:Nyar.

Krunk:When you reach M7, you see Wildgeist in G8, wielding greatsword, and Mad Al in F9. You may revise your turn from this point.

Wildgeist:Mad Al is in F9. Krunk is in M7+45.

Mad Al:Wildgeist is in G8. Krunk is in M7+45.

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 8 (cont)

LOS:
I will circle around, keeping my height and forward momentum; and end directly above Wildgeist in G8 +45

Then I will use a swift action to activate my gloves for the second time and blast Wildgeist with a KFB.

[roll0] Ref Halves DC16 - Targeting Wildgeist


Done.

Stats:
Location: G8 (+45)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 6/8
lvl 2 - 2/4

[Wildgeist]

Reflex Save: [roll0]

[Wildgeist]

Damage of 7 taken then.

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 8

Move: tumble north out of LoS and then sneak back to E-8.
[roll0]
[roll1]

Standard: Manifest Power
Psicraft DC 16
Wild surged energy ray(fire)
[roll2]

[roll3] If from hiding, then add +2 unseen vs Flat-Footed Touch
[roll4]

Done

Stats
HP: 7(+10T)/7
AC: 26 [+4armor +4dex +1size +3nat +4shield]
(Touch 15)
PP: 2/4
Focused: No
Psi-Ability 1/1
Dorje of Force Screen (22 charges left)
Crossbow: Loaded (MW)

Force Screen: 3/10
Vigor: 14/20

[Wildgeist]

I'll postpone that damage using my mad foam rager feat and I'll need LoS before I can post my turn.

[Sallera]

Everyone has LoS. Krunk is in G8+45, Wildgeist is in G8, Mad Al is in E8.

[Wildgeist]

Wildgeist Round 8

Free: 5 feet step to F09
Move: Hide [roll0]
Standard: Attack Mad Al.

Attack [roll1]
Damage [roll2]



Only If Critic [roll3]
Damage [roll4]







End of Turn

STATS

Wildgeist Started @G08
Wildgeist Ended @F09



HP 08/21 + 4 temp from rage 12 hp
AC 20 (10 +4 Armor +4 Shield +4 Dexterity -2 Misc -2 rage) T 12 FF 16


Rage: 2/8 Rounds


Arrows Left: 20 Carried of a total of 60 Owned

Arrows Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Greatsword
Off Hand Wielding: Greatsword



Backpack:
Knotted Silked Grappling Hook


Belt Pouch:
Alchemist Fire X2
Acid Flask X4
Faith Healing Potion X1

[theterran]

Krunk - Round 9

[roll0]

If I have LoS
I cast KFB at Wildgeist
[roll1] Reflex Halves DC16
Then fly around and end up back where I started.

If I don't
Fly around and end up back where I started.

Stats:

Location: G8 (+45)
HP: 10/10
AC: 23 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +7 Nat Armor)

Spells Left:
lvl 0 - 6/6
lvl 1 - 5/8
lvl 2 - 2/4

[Sallera]

No Spot is needed, since Wildgeist didn't break LoS before hiding.

[theterran]

Alright, edited the above to show the correct spoiler.

[Wildgeist]

Reflex Save: [roll0]

If it fails I'm history....:smalltongue:

[Wildgeist]

Although I think this is when I take the mad foam rager damage and I'm dead anyhow.... Good Fight!!!!

[Sallera]

Aye, since you used it on Mad Al's turn, you would have taken the damage at the end of your turn.

Mad Al and Krunk provide an effective demonstration of magic over might for the victory.

Now, if Scorer or PsiDog could call the other match, we can update the round.

[Psionic Dog]

Two months run time: a bit above average, but not half bad for clouds or 2v2. :smallcool: