Masters of the Sword: A Warblade's Handbook [Under Construction]

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Masters of the Sword
A Warblade’s Handbook

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Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.
-Confucius


Why Play a Warblade?

Warblades, introduced in Tome of Battle: The Book of Nine Swords, are one of the three martial initiator classes. Exemplars of sheer martial skill, they are arguably the strongest of the three.

Here are just a few of the warblade's selling points.

- They're free to play. Wizards of the Coast kindly provided the full warblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2) class on their website, along with maneuver cards (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20061225a), which can help streamline play.

- You’re as good as it gets. Before we even get to maneuvers and all the rest, you have a d12 hit die, two good saves, and full BAB.

- You have efficient use of the action economy. Warblades can move, initiate a standard-action strike for respectable damage, mix in a swift-action boost and still perform a counter when it's not their turn. Fighters, on the other hand, just move and attack.

- As you advance, you gain a number of useful class features which boost your overall combat capability, from free feats to abilities that grant you excellent Int synergy. And your capstone is undoubtedly the best of the three martial adepts', providing an incentive to stay in warblade all the way to the end.

- You can refresh maneuvers at a moment’s thought. To refresh their maneuvers, a warblade just has to make a normal attack.

- You’re great straight out of the box. This applies to all Tome of Battle characters, but it’s worth bringing up - it’s very hard to screw up as a warblade unless you try to. Although this guide can help, just picking maneuvers that sound cool will make you quite capable. Nor do you even need to multi class; warblade 20 is an excellent build.



Why Use Tome of Battle?

Naturally, opinions on the Tome of Battle vary widely. Martial adepts have a style of play far removed from the standard martial character in Third Edition. But I’ve found that Tome of Battle greatly enriches the playing experience at my table, for two reasons:

- It makes melee characters fun to play. Some people enjoy endlessly repeating their full attack routine, but many want something more. Tome of Battle provides melee combatants a wide array of new options and tactics, as well as the ability to make tactical decisions more meaningful than simply how much they'll Power Attack for.

- It levels the playing field. Around here it’s an oft-recited saying that fighters scale linearly, while wizards scale quadratically. Tome of Battle by no means closes that gap, but it unquestionably narrows it.


This handbook will use the following system for ratings:

Red - Awful. Never, ever take these.
Purple - Meh. These can be situationally useful, but aren’t usually worth it.
Black - OK. Not the best, but not the worst, either.
Blue - Good. An excellent option, and worthwhile.
Cyan - Great. You should take these.
Gold - Incredible. These are amazing options, defining aspects of a build or even the entire class.


Any kind of feedback is welcome and appreciated.

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Roles: Using the Sword

Primary Melee - This is you. You excel at melee combat; whether you’re a dervish of whirling blades or a crashing, maul-wielding juggernaut, it’s your job to always be out there on the front line.

Mobility - You have the potential to become an extraordinarily mobile combatant. Many Diamond Mind and Tiger Claw maneuvers enhance mobility, and you’ll probably have a high Jump score if you’re using the latter (which you usually should, at least to some degree). It’s also a fair bet that you’re wearing light (or at least medium) armor – and hey, if you need to spend a round getting into position, no biggie. You can just use that round to refresh your maneuvers.

Tank - You likely won’t be able to match the stickiness of, say, a crusader, but nonetheless you’re a formidable target. D12 HD, medium armor proficiency, and, very likely (due to Diamond Mind counters) good saves mean you won’t be going down any time soon.

Battlefield Control - Pick up some tripping-related feats, enlarge yourself, and go to town; or heck, just get a reach weapon. Once again, you’re no crusader – and definitely no caster - but with the right tools you can become quite adept at manipulating the battlefield.

Debuffing - Many strikes incur debilitating status effects on your enemies. But don’t kid yourself; you’re no match for casters when it comes to debuffing. These debuffs should be augmenting your abilities rather than becoming an end in their own right.

Ranged Combat - Sorry, no. Always keep a ranged weapon on hand, just in case, but be aware that you're a pretty mediocre archer. No disciplines enhance ranged combat (unless homebrew is allowed), though full BAB and a decent Dex mean you can still function.
But ranged combat should be a last resort.


Class Features: Crux of the Sword

Fundamentals:

D12 hit die - Excellent. With your role as a front line combatant, you need a lot of hit points.
Full BAB - You could probably still function with something less – but it would be tough.
Good Fortitude save - Every melee class gets it, but let’s be honest: every melee class needs it.
Bad Reflex and Will saves - Always the warrior’s Achilles heel, these are of less concern to you; Battle Clarity helps make up for the former, and Moment of Perfect Mind helps compensate for the latter.
4 Skill Points/level - You can always use more skill points, but 4/level is pretty decent for a melee class. Better than a fighter’s, anyway, and unless you dump Int (not a good idea) it should be enough to cover all your basic needs.

Class Features:

Maneuvers - This is what makes a warblade a warblade. Without them, you’re even worse than a fighter – and that, my friend, is a low bar indeed.

Stances - See above. Stances are perhaps less essential, but they’re still a defining aspect of the class.

Battle Clarity - This helps make up for your low Reflex save. You may want to pick up the counter that replaces this with a skill check eventually, but at the low levels it’s pretty useful.

Weapon Aptitude - This feature’s use is limited, as its main purpose seems to be qualifying for the lackluster Weapon Focus/Specialization lines. However, there’s potential use here, especially when it’s combined with Exotic Weapon Proficiency.

Uncanny Dodge - Retain your Dex bonus to AC even when flat-footed? Can’t argue with that.

Battle Ardor - Quite good, especially on those double-kukri crit fisher builds. There’s little as disappointing as threatening a critical and then failing to confirm it.

Bonus Feats - At first glance, the list to choose from doesn’t seem great – and while they may not be fantastic, there are a lot of ‘gateway’ feats available. And at worst, hey, free feats are free feats.

Battle Cunning - Just another incentive to catch your opponents flat-footed. Nice.

Battle Skill - Hm. The bonus is nice, but at this point the extra couple of points from your Int isn’t going to help much – high-level monsters have mean modifiers. And unlike when you’re attacking, those extra points don’t have the potential to become more damage via Power Attack.

Battle Mastery - If you’re making use of Karmic Strike/Robilar’s Gambit, this is great. Even if you’re not, it’s bound to come in handy.

Improved Uncanny Dodge - Unfortunately, this isn’t much. Flanking doesn’t happen all that often, unless you’re up against a bunch of rogues.

Stance Mastery - Can someone say 'capstone'? This is just amazing, and it's one of main reasons to stay in warblade until the end.


Skills: Sheathing the Sword

Class Skills:

Balance - It's the key skill for both Iron Heart and Stone Dragon, and it helps you avoid those pesky Grease spells. Almost always worth taking five ranks in it; after that, it becomes much less enticing.
Climb - You simply don't have enough skill points for this. Climb can be useful, but it's a very, very low priority.
Concentration - The biggest priority on the list. This is Diamond Mind's key skill, and Diamond Mind has the save-replacing and Nightmare Blade maneuver lines - both lifesavers, and both keyed on Concentration rolls.
Craft - If you have your heart set on being a master smith or forging warheart weapons (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5580531), well, indulge yourself. Otherwise, give it a miss.
Diplomacy - It's White Raven's key skill, and pretty dang useful besides. Definitely worth it if you have the points to spare.
Intimidate - Who doesn't want people to quiver in fear at the sight of them? A very nice skill.
Intimidate is also used in Duels of Wills, a new feature introduced in the ToB, and the skill really shines when utilized in an Imperious Command build.
Jump - Tiger Claw is a great discipline, and I'd advise nearly every warblade to make at least some use of it. Many Tiger Claw maneuvers hinge off Jump...so, there we go. But if you're not making any use of Tiger Claw, skip it.
Knowledge (History) - It can be useful. Not great, though.
Knowledge (Local) - Same as above, but history is often more useful.
Martial Lore - Knowing your military history can be important, and combat is sort of your schtick. Martial Lore's other function - identifying maneuvers being used against you and the maneuvers in other adept's repertoires - is not as great, but still handy on occasion. Overall, a pretty decent Knowledge skill; if you have skill points to spare, it can be worth taking a few ranks, especially if you're in a game heavy in martial adepts.
Swim - As with Climb, you just have too many other priorities.
Tumble - Acrobatics and avoiding AoOs are pretty darn nice. Unless you're a retaliation build, in which case, not quite so nice.

Cross-Class Skills

Listen and Spot - Perception skills are always useful. If you have extra skill points, they're a reasonable investment.
Search - In my experience, Search is generally less useful. But maybe that's just me.

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Abilities: What it Takes to Use the Sword

Strength - This is your main stat. It determines your melee attack and damage; get it as high as possible. Absolutely crucial.
Recommended score: 16-18, before racial adjustments.

Dexterity - Quite important. It's the key skill for Balance and Tumble, your lack of heavy armor means you'll likely be able to benefit from the extra AC, and higher Reflex saves never hurt. Plus, since no disciplines enhance ranged combat, you'll be relying mostly on your Dex for it.
Recommended score: 12-16, before racial adjustments.

Constitution - A high Con score is a huge boon, and at least decent score is essential. You can never, ever have too many hit points, and it increases your Concentration bonus. A higher Fort save is just icing on the cake.
Recommended score: 14-18, before racial adjustments.

Intelligence - Your class abilities grant you great Int synergy, and Int also raises your skill points - a scarce resource. Get a good score if you can afford it.
Recommended score: 12-16, before racial adjustments.

Wisdom - Quite useful, since it raises your perception skills and Will saves. But neither are too essential: the latter, as I've said, can be compensated for, and you're usually not going to be the party scout, anyway.
Recommended score: 8-14, before racial adjustments.

Charisma - You may be a glory-hound, but you'll have to find some other way to accomplish it than Cha. This is a dump stat, pure and simple.
Recommended score: 8-10, before racial adjustments.

Sample Stat Arrays:


Elite Array: 15, 12, 14, 13, 10, 8
25 Point Buy: 16, 10, 14, 13, 10, 8
28 Point Buy: 16, 12, 14, 14, 10, 8
32 Point Buy: 16, 12, 16, 14, 10, 8
40 Point Buy: 18, 14, 16, 14, 10, 8
60 Point Buy: 18, 16, 18, 16, 14, 10



Races: Born to the Sword

Core


Dwarf - Essentially a free +2 Con, since Cha is a dump stat. And all those little bonuses can add up. But the speed penalty can be annoying, especially since you can't wear heavy armor to cover it.

Elves:
For a warblade, elves have the added bonus of being the only race able to qualify for the amazing Eternal Blade PrC.

Grey Elf - Strength and Con penalties. Next.
High Elf - These are a little better than grey elves, but not by much. Dex is good, but it hardly compensates for lost Con.
Wild Elf - A strong pick. Losing Int stings, but it's hardly as tough as a Con penalty. If you're restricted to Core races and want to play an elf (especially on lower point buys), I advise playing a wild elf.
Wood Elf - These are also a strong choice; I'd recommend them only on higher point buys, though, as you'll need to purchase mid to high scores across the board in order to end up with decent Con and Int.

Gnome - Gnomes don't make very good warblades, losing Str and using small weapons. But the smaller damage die can be compensated for without much trouble at all, and losing two points of Str won't cripple you too much - and on the other hand, you'll gain bonuses from your small size.
If you really want to be a gnome, go ahead; otherwise, though, you can do better.

Half-Elf - Ew. They're basically humans, but much worse. The only use here is qualifying for Eternal Blade without any penalties - but even so, snow elf is usually your best bet.

Halfling - At first these might seem like an awful choice, but, as ShneekeyTheLost notes,

A point of note about halfling warblades...

It's not as bad as you might think. The Str penalty equates to a -1 damage. The size modifier does about the same thing. In the long run, it doesn't hurt as much as you might think it does.

If you go with Halfling, you'll need to build specifically for this task. There's a couple of ways to do this:

1) Dip swordsage or blow a couple of feats to get a Shadow Hand stance. Then take the feat Shadow Blade, and make sure you can make it appear as though it was a shadow hand weapon (spiked chains, by the way, are shadow hand weapons). Replaces Str with Dex for damage. Weapon Finesse to use Dex to attack. Str is now a dump stat, but rather feat intensive.

2) Bloodstorm Blade/Master Thrower. Seriously, two points of damage isn't going to be hurting you here, and you can do an awful lot of havoc to someone who is bigger than you, so being small is an asset rather than a disadvantage.

Also, as a halfling, you can pick up Confound the Big Folk for more obnoxiousness.

Half-Orc - These are a nice pick. The damage to mentals isn't good, but it's better than penalties to physicals - and the Str boost is delicious.

Human - When Wizards wrote 3.5, they obviously had an inflated racial ego, because humans are awesome for basically anything. For a warblade, they're no exception. Feats are horribly scarce, especially if you're not allowed flaws, and the extra skill point is great.


There are a bewildering number of races to choose from, and so from here on out the only ones mentioned will be those black and higher. If a race isn’t here, assume it’s not worth taking (though you are, of course, welcome to take it up with me).

Non-Core

These races are only those without level adjustment and/or racial HD – those with can be found below.

Aventi (Stormwrack) – Wonderful in an aquatic-themed campaign, though not as useful otherwise.

Changeling (Races of Eberron) – Changelings make awesome spies – and while you are perhaps not the best spy, their shapeshifting is still a very cool toy.

Darfellan (Stormwrack) – A prime pick in an aquatic campaign where you're forced to play a water-breathing race, and nice all-around. But make no mistake: you will get made fun of for looking like a whale.

Mongrelfolk (Races of Destiny) – While -4 Cha shouldn't be too big a problem, and the Dex-for-Con trade is good, the stats are lacking when compared things like orcs and neanderthals. Nonetheless, you could do much worse.

Neanderthal (Frostburn) – Not fantastic, as it has a penalty to both of your secondary stats. But still, that’s far outweighed by the bonus to both primaries.

Orc (MM) – A penalty to all your mental stats, but a +4 Str boost is really enormous. Definitely a fine pick, and better than those puny half-orcs.

Raptoran (Races of the Wild) – A great pick; the wings are more a boon than any measly +2 to Str or Con.

Shifter (Races of Eberron) – Longtooth or Longstride shifters are the obvious choices, and they make quite good warblades. They trade Int for Dex, but that’s a pretty fair exchange, and the goodies from shifting more than make up for it.

Skarn (Magic of Incarnum) - Bonus to Str, penalty to Dex. Come with built in natural weapons so you can still initiate maneuvers while unarmed without having to take Improved Unarmed Strike.

Warforged (Races of Eberron) – You’re a robot with a bonus to Con and more immunities than you can count. At first level you can potentially have armor better than plate, and with feat investments you can gain potent bonuses to it.

Racial Variants

The only variants here are those that are better than the standard race.

Badlands Dwarf (Sandstorm) – Again, if you’re in a desert campaign it’s worth looking at, but not otherwise.
Deep Dwarf (MM) – Slightly better than the standard, but not by much.
Earth Dwarf (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) – Str for Dex is a very nice trade – and the extra bonuses certainly don’t hurt. Superior over the hill dwarf.

Painted Elf (Sandstorm) – Dex and Int are really on equal footing for you, making this a pretty even trade.
Snow Elf (Frostburn) – The best elf, with the Con penalty traded for one to Cha (your one true dump stat).

Chaos Gnome (Races of Stone) - +1 LA.
Bonuses to Dex, Con, and Cha, though at the cost of Str. You trade the normal gnome benefits for a couple of SLAs; you are also, notably, immune to compulsion effects. You also - and this is the main draw - gain a reroll once per day, for anything. Rerolls are precious, and the immunity to compulsion is invaluable: with LA buyoff, these are potentially even cyan.
Whisper Gnome (Races of Stone) - A great race for small, more dextrous warblades; strictly superior to their standard counterparts. You gain a bonus to Con in exchange for a hit to Cha, plus a +8 bonus (half size, half racial) to Hide, a +4 racial bonus to Move Silently, a +2 racial bonus to Spot and Listen, and Silence as an SLA.

Strongheart Halfling (Forgotten Realms) – Without a doubt the best halfling, thanks to the free feat; however, you may be better just going human.

Aquatic, Arctic, and Desert Half-Elf (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) _ These are better picks than the standard half-elf, especially in a campaign geared towards their respective terrains.

Aquatic Half-Orc (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) – It’s…a half-orc, but better. Remind me why you wouldn’t pick this over its standard counterpart?
Jungle Half-Orc (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) – If you want to make a dragoon build, the Jump bonus can help.
Scablands Half-Orc (Sandstorm) – In a desert campaign (*cough*Dark Sun*cough*), the heat and thirst endurance can be a lifesaver. Otherwise, skip it.

Aquatic Orc (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) – In an aquatic or naval campaign, likely a better choice than standard orc.
Desert Orc (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) – Endurance as a bonus feat is excellent, allowing you to qualify for Steadfast Determination immediately. Very nice.
Water Orc (SRD/Unearthed Arcana) – Woah. Like a normal (already superb) orc, but they slipped an extra +2 Con in there, in addition to your already delicious bonuses. This is without a doubt the best kind of orc, and a truly fantastic warblade.


+1 Level Adjustment

Half Giant (SRD/Expanded Psionics Handbook) - Bonuses to Str and Con, but a penalty to Dex - so it might be a good idea to start with at least a 12 in the last. They have the always saucy powerful build (great for those tripper/knockbacker warblades), as well as LLV. There's also a mildly useful Psi-like ability for crowd control, but expect this to drop off in effectiveness dramatically at higher levels. Naturally psionic even makes these guys a possible choice for a psionic dip or for a warblade//psion in gestalt.

Goliath (Races of Stone) - Huge bonus to Str, a bonus to Con, and Powerful Build. Like a half-giant, but potentially even better - especially with the added benefit of bonuses in mountainous terrain.

Sharakim (Races of Destiny) - Bonus to Str and Int, with penalties to Dex and Cha. This is synergistic with the warblade's important stats, and you get some other minor benefits: darkvision, shadow affinity and orc racial enemy. Get cool shades to negate the light sensitivity.

Thri-Kreen (MM2) - With multiple limbs suitable for Multiweapon Fighting, tasty bonuses to Strength and Dex, and an absurdly high bonus to Jump checks, thri-kreen are a Tiger Claw adept's dream (and worth considering even if Tiger Claw isn't your focus). An older version granted them limited psionic abilities in exchange for an extra point of LA; for a warblade, the current version is much superior.

+2 Level Adjustment


Half-Ogre (Races of Destiny) - An enormous bonus to Str and Con, but penalties to Dex/Int/Cha. Large size, some natural armor, darkvision and the Giant sub-type. These guys will hit hard, fast and bring people down. Combining them guys with knockdown/knockback sounds utterly terrifying. If you can afford the LA, start at a high enough level to buy some or all of it off, or if it only eats one side of a gestalt, these guys can even become great.

Higher Level Adjustment

Flind Gnoll - +2 LA, +2 RHD.
You'll score some considerable bonuses to your physical abilities - +6 Strength, +2 Dex, and +4 Con - (as well as a small natural armor bonus) which are the flind gnoll's main appeal. Only consider playing this race if you can buy off the LA; even so, the combination of LA and Racial Hit Dice will dog (pun not intended) you throughout your career.

Templates


Dark (ToM) - LA +1.
A nifty little template, it gets you Hide in Plain Sight and 10' extra movement, as well as a very large bonus to Hide. While perhaps better suited to the swordsage, and less appealing if you're not into hiding, this can make an excellent template for a small, deft warblade. Combines particularly well with races like whisper gnomes or strongheart halflings.

Draconic (Draconomicon) - LA+1.
This is good stuff. We land bonuses to Str, Con, and Cha, natural attacks to use with maneuvers as well as some minor skill/save bonuses, Darkvision, and LLV. Compares well with other LA +1 races but is a template! As a result, you can find some excellent synergies combining this with efficient LA +0 races. Draconic warforged? Draconic orc? Draconic water orc?

Dragonborn (RotD) - +0 LA.
Mechanically, this template takes your original racial abilities then tacks on +2 Con -2 Dex. You gain access to a draconic aspect, the dragonblood subtype and a few other minor benefits, while losing most of your other racial traits.. Can be combined with wood elf to net a +2 Str, -Int. Makes water orcs fairly insane.

Draconic Aspect can be a powerful ability as well. Mind Aspect culminates in Blindsense (an excellent perception boost), Wings Aspect gives solid flight (effectively replaces a flying magic item at high level). Breath Aspect could be fun, but doesn't scale (haha!) very well.

Feral (Savage Species) - +1 LA.
An excellent template. While you suffer a significant -4 to Int and -2 to Dex, and your hit dice become d10s, you gain +4 to Str, +2 to Wis, Darkvision, +10' to your movement speed, claw attacks (with Improved Grab and eventually Rake and Rend), a +6 natural armor bonus...but most significantly, at 4 HD - and this is why it's turquoise - Pounce. If you're using the LA buyoff rules, this template becomes simply superb, as it means you can gain Pounce without needing to spend a level in Spirit Lion Totem barbarian - and thus, while retaining a full 20 levels for whatever progression you wish. Do note, however: Savage Species was released under 3.0, so its use in 3.5 is subject to DM approval.

Shadow (LoM) - +2 LA.
Right off you gain +50% to your movement speed, some scaling Cold resistance, Darkvision, LLV, and a neat ability called Shadow Blend. Every four HD you also gain a special ability of your choice, ranging from a large bonus to Move Silently to DR5+1/HD to the ability to Plane Shift once per day to the Plane of Shadow.
Like Dark, potentially better for a swordsage, but useful for stealthy, dextrous warblades. Even you're not interested in stealth, there are some potentially very useful benefits to be gained.


Combat Styles: Ways of the Sword

As a warblade, it’s not exaggerating in the least to say that picking your combat style is the most important and influential choice you’ll ever make.
It’ll affect your entire career – your tactics, feat choices, maneuvers learned. Basically, your success rests upon the weapons in your hands – so you better make sure those weapons are good ones.

Shield Bashing – If you choose to pursue it, shield bashing can be a very nice choice. Once you can afford an animated shield (shield bashers should get one ASAP), you should switch to a two-handed weapon to maximize damage; a reach weapon is excellent, since feats like Shield Slam enhance your tank capability. Add shield spikes and you can enchant your shield like a normal weapon – and obviously, you’ll want the Bashing shield property from the DMG.

Shield bashing is a combat style that can take a while to pan out, and requires a heavy feat investment – but at mid to high levels, a shield basher has the potential to become a great tank.

Sword and Shield – Sword and shield – colloquially, sword-n-board – is infamously awful as a style. The big problem is that you don’t get 2:1 Power Attack returns or 150% of your Strength bonus to damage; that said, in the early levels, when AC is important, it’s very viable for you. Especially since you have maneuvers to make up for damage potential, I’d go so far as to recommend using a shield up to around level three. But by level six, you should be usually be going two-handed, and by the time you can afford an animated shield, there’s just no excuse.

Two-Handed Fighting - Two handed weapons (greatswords, greataxes, ranseurs, and the like) can pump out huge amounts of raw damage with little investment. As such, two-handing is the default - and from a purely numerical standpoint, likely the best - choice of combat style. Why? When wielding a two-handed weapon, you gain 1.5* your Strength bonus to damage, and you get double returns from Power Attack. From the mid levels onward, these two sources will be providing you with the greater part of your base damage, and so simply using a two-hander boosts your damage output enormously. If you actually invest feats in the style (which, and make no mistake, you should), your damage output can become truly obscene. If you're going for an ubercharger or dragoon build, then you definitely want to two-hand. It is worth noting, however, that warblades, since they use maneuvers to boost their damage output, are less reliant on this style than other martial classes.

Two-Weapon Fighting - This is probably the style you want to go for if you don't want to use a two-hander. If you want to focus mainly on Tiger Claw it's definitely the best style for you, seeing as many of the maneuvers from that discipline require that you're dual-wielding. Two-weapon fighters (or TWFers) are often used to create crit-fisher builds, as more attacks mean more chances to crit: the kukri, with its high crit range, is the optimal weapon for this type of build. But be aware that TWFing requires a high feat investment - the three feats in the Two-Weapon Fighting line are mandatory if you want to use this style.

Keep in mind that armor spikes can be treated as an off-hand weapn, meaning you could potentially dual-wield a two-hander and a spiked gauntlet.

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Maneuvers: Sword Magic

Choosing Disciplines

As a warblade, you have access to five different disciplines - Diamond Mind, Iron Heart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, and White Raven.
One of the hardest choices any warblade makes is what disciplines to specialize in. Remember that it's always a tradeoff, and you probably can't get everything you'd like.

If you're primarily a warblade, it's often best to choose a primary discipline, a secondary discipline, and a tertiary discipline. If you're something like half warblade, leave off the tertiary; if you're only dabbling, just pick a primary and scavenge off everything else.

Here's a brief list of the warblade disciplines and their merits.

Diamond Mind - This is a fantastic discipline, and there's no reason at all not to take at least a few maneuvers from it. It's really not geared towards any particular type of character, being simply chock-full of melee goodness.

Iron Heart - See above. The main difference is that, while some maneuvers are geared towards particular combat styles, the discipline as a whole isn't. Really, you can't go wrong with either this or Diamond Mind.

Stone Dragon - This is likely the weakest discipline available to you. Besides the annoying 'must be standing on the ground' clause, its maneuvers simply don't offer as much as other disciplines'.
The exceptions being, of course, the Mountain Hammer line and Mountain Tombstone Strike. The former provide excellent ways to overcome DR, and the latter is a capstone maneuver - yes, a 9th level strike - with no prerequisites. Even if you skip Mountain Hammer, grab Mountain Tombstone Strike and run.

Tiger Claw - Tiger Claw is geared towards TWFers, and it shows. But THFers, chargers especially, gain lots of benefits as well. It doesn't have any counters at all, but it's famed for its boosts. They really pack a punch.

White Raven - If you want to play a marshal-type character, this is for you. However, White Raven's effectiveness depends heavily on your party's makeup: if you have lots of other meleers, it really comes into its own. If you don't, it's not that great.


First Level


This is a really nice level. There are loads of different options, and quite a few gems sprinkled about. My personal favorites are Charging Minotaur, Moment of Perfect Mind, Steel Wind, and Sudden Leap.

Diamond Mind:

Moment of Perfect Mind - It's the best maneuver in the Moment of X line, and just level 1. You really want this.
Sapphire Nightmare Blade - This one is good, but quickly loses steam. If you're playing in a low-level game, it might be a good choice; otherwise, skip it.
However, if you have sneak attack (probably from multiclassing), this becomes much better. As it renders your opponent flat-footed, you can use it to set up sneak attacks.

Iron Heart:

Steel Wind - Excellent. While it only works when you're facing two foes, at the low levels you're often squared against gangs of mooks - situations in which Steel Wind can double your effectiveness. However, it's probably wise to trade it away before too long.
Steely Strike - Quite good for solo fights, as the AC penalty applies only to foes other than the one you attacked. And at the low levels, +4 attack greatly increases your chance of hitting. While awesome at the beginning of your career, it ages quickly.

Stone Dragon:

Charging Minotaur - Now this is a nice maneuver. Charging Minotaur does become relatively obsolete before too long, but you'll have a lot of fun playing with the thing.
Stone Bones - At first level, DR5 is plain awesome, and can mean near invulnerability for a round. But by 2nd or 3rd it's already starting to age - and by level 5, the thing is history. It's much like Steely Strike in this regard.

Tiger Claw:

Sudden Leap - Niice. This is an excellent mobility enhancer, and provides benefits well after most 1st-level maneuvers' have expired.
However, it's worth noting that it has a prerequisite of 1 Tiger Claw maneuver - you'll need to either take a Tiger Claw stance or Wolf Fang Strike to qualify for this at 1st level.
Wolf Fang Strike - Sounds good to me. Why not? Especially nice because it allows feat-less TWFing, as its penalties supersede those of two-weapon fighting.

White Raven:

Douse the Flames - In the right situation, this is a great tool, letting you cover for an ally (or allies) while they escape or run past. And it completely shuts down reach/lockdown/Stand Still builds for a turn.
Leading the Attack - If you have a party with lots of melee firepower, this is a good one. Otherwise, not so good.


Second Level

No matter what your build, you're in for a treat this level. Even better than first; the best are Action Before Thought, Emerald Razor, Mountain Hammer, and Wall of Blades.

Diamond Mind:

Action Before Thought – Like all of the save-replacing maneuvers, this is great. Reflex is your second weakest save, so pick this up if you can afford it; however, your Ref is usually at least decent, and there are lots of goof maneuvers this level. Plus, Ref saves tend not to be SoL/SoDs the way Will saves do.
Emerald Razor – Touch attacks are incredibly easy to make, so this maneuver is great when you’re up against a heavily armored foe. It only allows a single attack, but that’s no problem at level 3 – and the fact that you can Power Attack to your heart’s content makes up for that, anyway. As a rule of thumb, all the gem maneuvers (except for Sapphire) are worth taking.

Iron Heart:

Disarming Strike – It’s good, definitely, and brings use to a generally maligned combat action. But when compared to the other 2nd level maneuvers you have available, I think it comes up wanting.
Wall of Blades – Superb. The perennial weakness of the charger is a pitifully low AC. Pick up this maneuver and you can forget about that (and even if you’re not Shock Trooper-ing, your AC will generally be lower than your attack). This is a maneuver that never ages.
Saph's favorite use of Wall of Blades is to use it against touch and ranged touch spells, which generally have a much lower bonus than melee attacks. Plus, deflecting rays with your sword is awesome.

Stone Dragon:

Mountain Hammer – Remember how I said that the Mountain Hammer line was one of the best things about Stone Dragon? This is the most basic of them, and while the bonus damage soon becomes mediocre, its main function – ignoring all DR and hardness – never ages. Even better, it's free of prereqs.
Stone Vise – Look at the average monster’s Fortitude save, and you’ll realize that the DC for this maneuver is just awfully low. If it were a Will save, maybe, but as it is, this is just awful.

Tiger Claw:

Claw at the Moon – The bonus damage is good at this level, but it ages quickly. This isn’t terrible, but with all the other great 2nd level maneuvers available it’s not really worth taking, especially since many others also provide bonus damage in the same range.
However, as Draz notes,
Claw at the Moon is awesome for characters who multiclass into warblade at later levels. A Jump check that will beat AC is not hard to get for most characters. Hunter's Sense is often the most useful Level 1 stance for such a multiclasser, and to take it, first you have to take Wolf Fang Strike, Claw at the Moon, or Rabid Wolf Strike. Some characters never TWF and aren't particularly reckless, but have ranks in Jump, so CatM is their best option. YMMV though.
Rabid Wolf Strike – Your classic ditch-it-all, KO strike. Not bad at all if you plan on going Shock Trooper; combine with Wall of Blades for extra fun.

White Raven:

Battle Leader’s Charge – +10 damage at level 3 is fantastic, and this allows you to get into the thick of things without trouble. Just make sure not to get in over your head. A very worthwhile choice if you’re focusing on White Raven.
Tactical Strike – Nice bonus damage, and if you’re fighting in a cluster with your teammates it allows you to close on nearby foes or flee. Sadly, it doesn’t allow them to avoid full attacks, though.

Third Level

There’s no question at all as to the best maneuvers this level. The standouts are Iron Heart Surge and White Raven Tactics, hands down.

Diamond Mind:

Insightful Strike – The Insightful Strike line is really nice, and though this one has the least oomph of the bunch, it’s still excellent. At around the level you get this, with maxed Concentration and a masterwork tool, it’ll sport an average of something like 23 damage – and the damage scales naturally as long as you keep improving Concentration.
Mind Over Body – Fortitude is your best save, and as such this isn’t a very good choice. Sure, a Concentration check might be higher, but you’ll generally have Fort high enough already. It does stop you from failing on a natural 1, which is nice, but Mind Over Body isn’t generally worth learning.

Iron Heart:

Exorcism of Steel – Not bad at all. The save’s low, but it’s Will, which for melee enemies is usually weak, and the long duration ensures it’ll be in effect for the whole battle, at least most of the time. The downside is that it only works against manufactured weapons, but Exorcism of Steel is a very solid debuff to begin a fight with.
Iron Heart Surge – IRON HEART SUUURGE! C’mon, you really can’t get more badass than that. IHS is an absolute must as long as you have its prereqs; it will save your life countless times, I guarantee it. If it doesn’t, your money back, no questions asked.

Stone Dragon:

Bonecrusher – It’s fairly straightforward, and not bad at all, with a nice dose of bonus damage. Unfortunately, by now you’re nearing the point where the bonus damage ages, and the Fort save for the extra effect is really low (though when you do sink the bonus to crit confirms, your resident crit fisher will love you). All in all, it’s pretty decent – but eclipsed by the level’s other choices.
Stone Dragon’s Fury – So…you can take this maneuver and get +4d6 damage against objects and constructs…or you can take Bonecrusher and get +4d6 damage against everything. Your choice.

Tiger Claw:

Flesh Ripper – This maneuver is a prime example of ‘meh’. The effects are negated by a Fort save with a low DC, and even if they hit last for just one round. Skip it.
Soaring Raptor Strike – Quite nice, as you’ll be certain to run into larger enemies sooner or later. A load of extra damage and a bonus to hit; who can argue?

White Raven:

Lion’s Roar – All right, especially if you have a melee-heavy party. But you shouldn’t usually take it, because it lies far, far in the shadow cast by White Raven Tactics.
White Raven Tactics – Wow. The most valuable currency in D&D is that of the action economy, and this is quite a large check. It essentially lets you trade a swift action of yours for a full turn of an ally’s – and by RAW you can even use it on yourself!
There's no excuse not to take WRT if you can afford it.

Fourth Level

This is a level dominated by Diamond Mind and Iron Heart. The best picks are Bounding Assault, Ruby Nightmare Blade, and Lightning Recovery.

Diamond Mind:

Bounding Assault – A lifesaver. It lets you close on a faraway enemy or change places on the battlefield easily, being basically a charge that lets you move freely. If you’re a charger, especially one with Pounce, this is really good.
Mind Strike – Nice. Ability damage is always good, and Mind Strike lets you soften up targets for Will SoD/SoL spells, or, if you’re up against divine casters, rob them of spells.
Ruby Nightmare Blade – Double damage. How can you misread that?

Iron Heart:

Lightning Recovery – One of the classic Iron Heart counters. Missing is one of the most annoying and frequent setbacks a melee character faces, and rerolls can be priceless.
Mithral Tornado – Just like Whirlwind Attack, but it requires no feat investment and gives a bonus to attacks. Sounds good to me.

Stone Dragon:

Bonesplitting Strike – Boils down to an attack that does bonus damage equal to your enemy’s HD. Nice, and it scales naturally as you face tougher monsters. The only downside's that it doesn't work against foes immune to Con damage.
Boulder Roll – Just say NO to overrunning.
Overwhelming Mountain Strike – 2d6 bonus damage may not be exactly as overwhelming as the maneuver implies, but denying your enemy a move action can be quite useful. Overall, a solid choice.

Tiger Claw:

Death From Above – The Jump check is easy to make, the bonus damage is yummy, the target is flat-footed, rendering them vulnerable to Sneak Attacks and the like, plus it allows you to maneuver around into another square.
Fountain of Blood – If you’re facing a bunch of mooks, this can be quite nice. Ensures the foe you kill is dead and the save is against Will, which makes it more palatable. Plus, the effects last a long time

White Raven:

Covering Strike – An upgraded version of Douse the Flames, this deprives your foe of AoOs for three whole rounds, allowing you and your allies a lot of freedom to get into position or get out of there.
White Raven Strike – Excellent for setting up sneak attacks.

Fifth Level

This is Tiger Claw’s time to shine: it has two splendid maneuvers this level, Dancing Mongoose and Pouncing Charge. But Iron Heart Focus is very good as well.

Diamond Mind:

Disrupting Blow – Awesome for shutting down tough opponents, especially brute types with low Will saves. The save is reasonably tough, and denying opponents actions is fantastic.
Rapid Counter – An extra AoO never goes amiss, and can be used to feed Channel the Storm; this is a strong choice.

Iron Heart:

Dazing Strike – There’s no point taking this when you could take Disrupting Blow instead. Even if you don’t qualify for Disrupting Blow, the Fort save will be easily made by most monsters at this level.
Iron Heart Focus – Rerolls are priceless, and a single bad saving throw can put you out of the fight. Extremely useful.

Stone Dragon:

Elder Mountain Hammer – The second Mountain Hammer maneuver, this is similar to its predecessor but with 4d6 more bonus damage. It requires a heavier investment in Stone Dragon, though, which can be problematic. If you qualify for it, it’s an obvious pick, but if you don’t then you can feel fine skipping it. The real point – avoiding hardness and DR – is just as intact in Mountain Hammer.
Mountain Avalanche – Quite decent. If your specialty is Stone Dragon, it’s a fine pick, though there are better choices at this level.

Tiger Claw:

Dancing Mongoose – Awesome for TWFers, and great even for others. You really can’t go wrong with extra attacks, and since this is a boost you can even use a strike in the same round.
Pouncing Charge – Pounce. Is. Fantastic. You want this a lot. Unless you already have Pounce, in which case, you don’t.

White Raven:

Flanking Maneuver – As with so many White Raven maneuvers, this maneuver’s effectiveness depends heavily on party composition. It’s best used when there are sneak attackers present, as it allows them another sneak attack.


Sixth Level

There are no enormous standouts this level, but on the flip side nearly everything is pretty solid. Manticore Parry, Greater Insightful Strike, and Moment of Alacrity are likely top, with honorable mention going to Rabid Bear Strike and Order Forged from Chaos.

Diamond Mind:

Greater Insightful Strike – Just like its predecessor, Greater Insightful Strike is excellent. At 11th level, this will net you something like 2d20+40 damage, an average of 61: +4 or so from Con, +14 skill ranks, +2 masterwork tool, all doubled. It might not be as impressive as an ubercharger’s damage, but that’s all in one standard action attack.
Moment of Alacrity – Moving when you want to is good. Sometimes, really good.

Iron Heart:

Iron Heart Endurance – When stamina is a virtue, it can be a big plus never to start a battle with less than half hit points. Still usually a good idea to full heal via wands of lesser vigor or similar after every battle, though.
Manticore Parry – It’s very hard to go amiss with not only dodging an attack, but redirecting it at an enemy. And even if you're in a fight against a solo enemy, well...empty squares have 5 AC.
Unfortunately, though, this maneuver functions only against armed attacks. If you see a lot of armed opponents, it's fantastic; if you don't, it loses a fair bit of use.

Stone Dragon:

Crushing Vise – It can be useful, but the downside’s that melee brutes (who increasingly become some of the only land-based foes) often have large reach that partially negates the downside of not being able to move. And if you’re in melee range, they’re likely to full attack in any case.
Iron Bones – At first level, DR 5/Adamantine for a round was incredible. At eleventh, DR 10/Adamantine for a round is nearly useless.
Irresistible Mountain Strike – What have I said about maneuvers with Fortitude saves? In case you missed it, here’s a recap: No, no, and no. The again, on a failed save this one carries a pretty nasty effect, so that serves as a partial salvation.

Tiger Claw:

Rabid Bear Strike – Like most Tiger Claw maneuvers, this one is pretty straightforward. +4 attack and +10d6 damage in exchange for -4 AC: a worthwhile trade by anyone’s standards.
Wolf Climbs the Mountain – At the very least quite cool. I’d usually choose Rabid Bear Strike over it, but if you want to take this it’s a solid choice. Defensive bonuses and extra damage are always nice to have.

White Raven:

Order Forged from Chaos – The perfect tactical retreat or regroup, and it can be used very effectively to charge if your allies delay until after your turn; this way it can get everyone in position to full attack.
War Leader’s Charge – An upgraded Battle Leader’s Charge, this one’s identical but carries 25 more bonus damage. That’s never unwelcome, and because you’re likely to have traded the earlier version away by now, this is an excellent pick for chargers.

Seventh Level


Similarly to last level, seventh is pretty hard to screw up. Avalanche of Blades, Quicksilver Motion, Finishing Move, Swooping Dragon Strike, and Swarming Assault are all stellar.

Diamond Mind:

Avalanche of Blades – Very nice. It’s best used against foes who you’re sure to make at least a couple attacks against, though, because unlike a normal full attack, you stop as soon as you miss. Because of this, you probably won’t be able to Power Attack as much, but it's useful for a Combat Rhythm warmup.
Quicksilver Motion – An extra move action is superb. Not much more to say, really, except reiterating that bit about the action economy ruling D&D. Then again, there are other ways to accomplish this.

Iron Heart:

Finishing Move – Needless to say, you’ll never want to use this maneuver unless your target has less than half health, a point which you’ll find up will come up surprisingly often (who’d have guessed?). And 14d6 is quite a lot of bonus damage.
Scything Blade – An extra attack as a swift action is good, but this maneuver's use is limited. Dancing Mongoose is strictly better.

Stone Dragon:

Ancient Mountain Hammer – At this point, you’ll only qualify for the last Mountain Hammer maneuver if you have a heavy investment in Stone Dragon, in which case you should take it without a thought. But otherwise…well, you won’t qualify for it anyway, so it doesn’t much matter.
Colossus Strike – At level thirteen, expect your opponents to make the save regularly. But if you’re standing on the edge of a cliff or over a pit of lava…well, you know you want to.

Tiger Claw:

Hamstring Attack – 1d8 Dex damage is nothing to laugh about, and even better if it’s complementing Dex draining from the party caster.
Penalty to movement speed is just gravy.
Swooping Dragon Strike – A simply stunning maneuver. (Get it? Stunning? Heh.)
Normally, I know, I wail on every maneuver that allows a save. But in this case it’s not a measly Xteen-plus-Strength DC: the DC is actually equal to your Jump check. And if you’re picking out 7th level Tiger Claw maneuvers, your Jump modifier better be pretty high.

White Raven:

Clarion Call – Extra actions are what high level White Raven is all about; Clarion Call is a prime example (and therefore a prime pick). ‘Specially because, quite often, ‘allies within 60ft’ means the whole party.
Swarming Assault – Whoa! If you have a melee-heavy party, this is a primer pick yet. Ganging up on a foe like this is especially useful in a boss fight.

Eighth Level

Too much goodness. The best are White Raven Hammer, Diamond Nightmare Blade, Adamantine Hurricane, and Raging Mongoose.

Diamond Mind:

Diamond Defense – This is a real disappointment, overshadowed by the save-replacing line. With so many great maneuvers this level, you just can’t afford to take it.
Diamond Nightmare Blade – Like the rest of the Nightmare Blade maneuvers, this doesn’t require a whole lot of explanation. Times four damage. Seriously.

Iron Heart:

Adamantine Hurricane – If you’re adjacent to two or more foes, this is better than a full attack. And since you’ll often be in the thick of melee, that should come about quite frequently: this is a superb maneuver.
Lightning Throw – If cutting through hordes with impunity is your shtick, you can’t get much better than this.

Stone Dragon:

Adamantine Bones – DR 20/adamantine is pretty awesome, but if you think that’s going to stop CR 15 monsters, you’re mistaken. Nonetheless, the fact that it stops a whole lot of Power Attack does make this better than its predecessors.
Earthstrike Quake – First of all, am I the only one who saw this and thought it was a typo? Really, it does look a lot like ‘Earthquake Strike’.
Anyway, this one’s pretty decent. While yes, the save is usually going to be made, if you’re surrounded by casters it can help. But on the other hand, no caster in their right mind is going to be within 20ft of you.

Tiger Claw:

Girallon Windmill Flesh Rip – It’s rend-o-mania, and an obvious choice for TWFers. Take it and go to town (though of course, since it requires that you’re TWFing, non-TWFers shouldn’t touch it). Something to consider, though: Feral Death Blow is much better, and so it’s wise to trade this away.
Raging Mongoose – Nice! I was sold at ‘two extra attacks’.

White Raven:

White Raven Hammer – Automatic stunning for a round is insanely brutal, especially on solo encounters where you can gang up on it or sling around debuffs. An amazing choice.

Ninth Level

This is what you’ve been waiting for. You’ve finally racked up seventeen Initiator Levels. You’re near the BBEG’s doorstep. So, what are the best?
Well, the thing is, you basically want to take whatever you qualify for. They’re all amazing. But the gold medal has to go to Time Stands Still, and silver perhaps to War Master’s Charge (though most of the time you’ll want Mountain Tombstone Strike as well).

Diamond Mind:

Time Stands Still – Come on. It’s Time Stands Still. If you qualify for this, you’re taking it. Period.

Iron Heart:

Strike of Perfect Clarity – 100 extra damage is great. If you have the prerequisites, SoPC is an excellent choice, especially as it requires only a standard action and functions fine against enemies immune to crits. It's usable in pretty much every situation.

Stone Dragon:

Mountain Tombstone Strike – Luckily for you, now that 3.5 is out of print there’s no chance of the prereqs being errata’d. In case you missed them: there aren’t any. Take it, for the love of the gods.

Tiger Claw:

Feral Death Blow – The save is sort of low, and crit-immune creatures (read: a whole lot) are immune as well - plus it's a full-round action. But then again, it’s a SoD, and 20d6 damage even if they succeed.

White Raven:

War Master’s Charge – Amazing for a melee-focused party? This is the dream of every White Raven warblade, and if you qualify for it there’s no question as to whether you should take it.
There are, however, a few caveats to be aware of: it takes a full round action to initiate, sucks up an immediate action from your allies, and perhaps most importantly, allows an attack only against a single foe.


Stances: Bearing the Sword

First Level

All in all, a very solid level for stances. The choice is usually between Blood in the Water, Hunter’s Sense, and Punishing Stance.

Diamond Mind:

Stance of Clarity – Not bad at all, especially if you’re up against solo monsters. Ultimately, though, Punishing Stance is better.

Iron Heart:

Punishing Stance – During the low levels, +1d6 damage is significant, more so than -2 AC. An excellent choice.

Stone Dragon:

Stonefoot Stance – Sadly, Stone Dragon isn’t known for its stances, and you can see why. You won’t often be facing Large or larger foes at level one, and most Strength checks aren’t in combat situations, so you’ll often be able to take 20 on them anyway - exploits like bull rushes and overruns being the exception.

Tiger Claw:

Blood in the Water – Nice. On double kukri crit fishers, the damage stacks up quickly, and as such this is usually the default choice for them. Even if you’re not TWFing, with iteratives and a keen weapon this stance can be a very solid source of attack and damage bonuses.
Hunter’s Sense – Another great stance. The Scent ability is really useful.

White Raven:

Bolstering Voice – The +4 bonus against fear effects isn’t very useful, since you won’t be facing foes with them for a while. But even without that, there are worse things than granting your allies free Iron Will. Unfortunately, it ages quickly - and unlike a maneuver, it can't be swapped out.
Leading the Charge – If you have allies who charge on a regular basis, Leading the Charge is really nice.
Still, though, Leading the Charge is good even if you're the only charger in your party. It's a scaling flat bonus to charge damage, and since it's a stance, you can combine it with other maneuvers that involve charging - or, if you want to be really nasty, combine it with Pounce.


Third Level

A pretty unappealing level, unfortunately. The ones to consider are Tactics of the Wolf and Leaping Dragon Stance.

Diamond Mind:

Pearl of Black Doubt - Less useful than you may think. Bonuses only last a single round, and if they're going to be missing you, more AC isn't going to do much more good. And if they are hitting you, you're not going to be piling up bonuses. But it can be useful if you're surrounded by mooks, or facing monsters with a ton of natural attacks (which all tend to be made at the same attack rating).

Iron Heart:

Absolute Steel Stance - Extra speed and a +2 AC bonus if you move around. Not bad, but there are better 1st level stances to be in.

Stone Dragon:

Crushing Weight of the Mountain - This is one of the few Stone Dragon stances that can be used in mid-air and doesn't end if you move more than 5'. It's also one of the easier ways to pick up Constrict damage (2d6 + 1.5xStr bonus) without resorting to wild shape or polymorph shenanigans. However, unless your build is specifically designed around grappling, it's pretty useless. If you do have a grappling build, then this is pure gold.
Roots of the Mountain - Well, if you could keep it up while moving, it would be pretty decent for a battlefield-control specialist. Any creature that goes into your threatened space gets a -10 on Tumble checks. That makes it a lot harder to tumble past you to avoid AoO's. DR2/- isn't bad either. However, you have to plant and stay put for it to continue being effective. This makes it far less useful.

Tiger Claw:

Leaping Dragon Stance - Very good for a Hood-type or Jumplomancer. If you want to jump high, this helps a lot; note that it doesn't provide simply a +10 to Jump checks, but in fact gives +10 feet. But you don't have any interest in jumping, look elsewhere.
Wolverine Stance - Negates the -4 penalty for attacking with an unarmed strike/natural weapon/light weapon in a grapple. Also, if you're opponent is larger than you, you get a +4 damage bonus. However, you'll get better damage with Crushing Weight of the Mountain (3.5 avg + 1.5xStr bonus), and that works regardless of your opponent's size.

White Raven:

Tactics of the Wolf - Extra damage while flanking equal to 1/2 IL. If you can reliably set up flanking opportunities, this has a lot of potential. Remember, your buddies get this too, so flanking rogues are now doing even *more* damage. This is like half-again what Craven can do for them. If you've got several melee users who like to flank, or if someone has Clarion Call or Island of Blades or some other way of making flanking happen easier, it can be pretty nasty. Requires some forethought and setup, though.

Fifth Level

Again, not fantastic. If you can't use Magic Item Compendium, Hearing the Air is the obvious choice; if you can, it's Press the Advantage, with Dancing Blade form coming in next.

Diamond Mind:

Hearing the Air - Blindsense is awesome. You can buy Blindsight, though, for 9000gp, with MIC's Blindfold of True Darkness, which is even better - but if that's not on the table, or if you'd prefer not to blindfold yourself, this is a great pick.

Iron Heart:

Dancing Blade Form - Five extra feet of reach is delicious. Whether it's worth a stance or not is up to you.

Stone Dragon:

Giant's Stance - It ends if you move more than 5 feet for any reason. Now why would you ever want to do that? Really, though, it's just like Monkey Grip, but worse (and Monkey Grip is already sub-par).

White Raven:

Press the Advantage - An extra 5-foot step each round? Nice!

Seventh Level

As a warblade, by the time you can get a 7th level stance, you'll already be able to get an 8th level one. So it's not generally worth it.

Tiger Claw:

Prey on the Weak - It can definitely be useful against large numbers of enemies, but it's probably best to choose an 8th level stance rather than this.

Eighth Level

There's not a doubt as to the choice here. It's Stance of Alacrity, with the rest lagging far behind. Nonetheless, Wolf Pack Tactics and Swarm Tactics are both good if you can't take Stance of Alacrity.

Diamond Mind:

Stance of Alacrity - This is by far the best stance available to you. Imagine using Moment of Perfect Mind and Wall of Blades in the same round - nom.

Iron Heart:

Supreme Blade Parry - Sorry, DR 5/- is not going to help you at level seventeen. Look elsewhere.

Stone Dragon:

Strength of Stone - Again, the need to stay still is a big downside. But being immune to crits is a big upside, even if it can be bought ('tis expensive, though).

Tiger Claw:

Wolf Pack Tactics - It's clearly intended to allow TWFers to dart around the battlefield in between swings in a full attack, so it's a lot like Cleave in that respect. Except there simply aren't many circumstances where it works...it's just too narrow for your 8th level stance.

White Raven:

Swarm Tactics - Coolio. Might take some work to set up, but it pairs very nicely with a lot of White Raven maneuvers.

[Elfin]

Feats: Mastering the Sword


Player's Handbook

Skill Feats (Skill Focus, Acrobatic, Agile, Alertness, Animal Affinity, Athletic, Deceitful, Deft Hands, Diligent, Investigator, Magical Aptitude, Negotiator, Nimble Fingers, Persuasive, Self-Sufficient, Stealthy) - No. Never. Absolutely not. Not even then.
Armor Proficiency (Heavy) - Not worth it. If you really need the AC, just get mithral plate armor.
Combat Expertise - As it doesn't scale with BAB like Power Attack does, this is a pretty abysmal choice. But it's a prerequisite for Improved Trip, and so for trippers - though it pains me to say this - it's a must.
Improved Disarm - Flick your opponent's épée out of his hand with a flourish! Or, y'know, take the Exorcism of Steel maneuver.
Blind-Fight - A nice feat. Being able to reroll miss chance can be a lifesaver when it comes up, but the real benefit is that invisible attackers get no bonuses against you. It's especially useful because it's a prerequisite for Pierce Magical Concealment, which you should definitely get if you can - it's pure gold.
Combat Reflexes - This one's a great choice. You should have a good Dex, so you'll gain even more benefits than usual - and later on you can use those extra AoOs to fuel Channel the Storm if you choose to go that route.
Improved Initiative - +4 to Initiative is pretty straightforward and pretty delicious. This is always a good standby.
Improved Feint - Have you ever actually seen anyone try to feint? Didn't think so.
Improved Trip - Excellent. It's the cornerstone of every tripper build, and without it you're not much of a tripper anyway.
Whirlwind Attack - It's a fine feat, but is insanely feat-intensive to get. Plus, the Mithral Tornado maneuver does the same thing, and without sucking up half your feats.
Dodge - This is one of the classic trap feats. Avoid it at all costs.
Mobility - Mobility is actually OK, by Core standards. But Tumble is there to help avoid AoOs, anyway, and Dodge as a prereq makes this a no-no. Plus, you can buy the feat with Armor of Mobility from Draconomicon.
Spring Attack - Rather underwhelming, especially since it doesn't allow you to make a strike. With its awful prereqs, this isn't worth it at all.
Exotic Weapon Proficiency - On most melee characters this is on a case-by-case basis, but you take the case-by-case out of it. Weapon Aptitude combined with this feat lets you use basically any weapon ever made: enjoy waking up every morning and deciding what you'll fight with today.
Improved Critical - You can buy this feat, and buyable feats are never worth taking. Skip it and get a Scabbard of Keen Edges or a Keen weapon.
Endurance - This is a pretty terrible feat on its own. However, its saving grace is that it's the gateway to Steadfast Determination, which is awesome. But don't take it unless you're using it as a prereq for that.
Diehard - It boils down to ten extra hit points, and while those can be nice, they're hardly worth a feat. The fact that this requires another mediocre feat, Endurance, makes it completely unappealing.
Improved Unarmed Strike - Play an unarmed swordsage. The only reason you should be taking Improved Unarmed Strike as a warblade is to qualify for the Master of Nine PrC.
Deflect Arrows, Improved Grapple, Snatch Arrows, Stunning Fist - See above. If you're an aspiring Master of Nine, skip Improved Unarmed Strike's offshoots; you'll be feat-starved enough as it is.
Leadership - Many DMs ban it, in my experience. But if you can take it, it's fantastic - caster cohorts are especially useful for buffing purposes. Try not to destroy your game by abusing Leadership (or using it to make yourself the center of the game), though! Leadership is immensely powerful; use its benefits in moderation.
Mounted Combat - Mounted combat is an unconventional style for warblades, but it can be very effective. If you want to give it a try, go ahead.
Ride-by Attack - Not bad at all, and it's a prereq for Spirited Charge, which is essential for every mounted combatant.
Spirited Charge - Triple damage with a lance. Triple damage. Simply amazing, this is the mounted combatant's Leap Attack.
Trample - You probably have better things to spend feats on.
Archery feats (Point Blank Shot, Far Shot, Precise Shot, Improved Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Many Shot, Shot on the Run, Mounted Archery) - Warblades just aren't suited for archery. However, Eternal Blades have the potential to excel at it.
Great Fortitude - Your Fort save will already be quite high, due to a good base save and a good Con. No need to take this.
Iron Will - Like all the save-boosting feats, Iron Will isn't great. But Will is a big weakness for you, and so strengthening it isn't as much a waste as it is with Fort and Ref.
Lightning Reflexes - While not as great as Fort, your Ref save will usually be high enough. Best to look elsewhere.
Power Attack - Simple, beautiful, and awesome. Very few warblades are going to be able to function without it.
Cleave - Definitely worth taking if you're restricted to Core. Otherwise, it's lower priority, but still a good choice.
Great Cleave - Less useful, unless your campaign is high on the mook-killing. If so, give it a spin.
Improved Bull Rush - If you're really into Stone Dragon or have levels in Dungeoncrasher fighter, it's a nice pick. But the real use here is that it's a prerequisite for Shock Trooper, an insanely good feat for chargers.
Improved Overrun - Why are you overrunning, anyway?
Improved Sunder - It's a prereq for Combat Brute, which is the real reason you take this one. Still, you can use it to smash swords, spill potions, or sunder the BBEG's spell component pouch. Plus, you never know when you'll run into any hydras.
Improved Shield Bash - If shield bashing is your thing, this is the gateway feat. But if you're not focused on shield bashing, you shouldn't ever have a shield which you actually hold.
Tower Shield Proficiency - You're a mobile combatant, not a chunk of meatshield. Tower shields limit your mobility too much to be easily viable.
Toughness - This is undoubtedly one of the worst feats ever printed. If you reeeally need more hitpoints, take Improved Toughness instead.
Track - Survival is a cross-class skill for you, unfortunately. It could work, but if you want to play a tracker, consider the Hunter's Sense stance instead.
Quick Draw - Plain and simple, Quick Draw is a fine choice. Worth taking, especially if you're into multiple weapons.
Run - Erm...yeah. This is a trap, and not worth your time.
Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting - Tiger Claw provides a massive boost to TWFers, and you can go into the Bloodclaw Master PrC later, if you so choose. TWFing is a good option for warblades, but swordsages are often better.
Two-Weapon Defense - Nooooo. The Two-Weapon Defense line is, in all honesty, a complete waste.
Weapon Finesse - Wielding light weapons are a bad option, since they give you neither the ability to Power Attack or 1.5x your Strength bonus to damage. If you want to play a character like this, consider swordsage as an alternative.
Weapon Focus, Greater Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, Greater Weapon Specialization - These four are the classic fighter feats, and thanks to Weapon Aptitude you have nearly exclusive access to them. Unfortunately, they're generally derided as utterly, totally, completely awful, as small, static bonuses don't usually compare with the benefits other feats provide.
But, in Runestar's words:
"These small bonuses are all the more meaningful in the hands of a martial adept.

One difference they have over a fighter is that if you build them around their standard action strikes, combat will typically involve 1 attack each round. Either you hit for a ton of damage, or you miss and don't deal anything. Compared to a fighter who can make 4-6 attacks each round. Assuming you hit with at least 1 attack, you should be doing at least a bit of damage each round.

This makes hitting (and by extension, all those attack bonuses) all the more crucial. Granted, the attack bonus from weapon spec/mastery isn't so attractive when you are limited to 1 attack/round (compared to a fighter's 4-6).

At least for me, I am willing to invest at least 3 feats to acquire melee weapon mastery, and maybe eventually work my way up to weapon supremacy."

Long story short: these feats are OK. Nothing more, maybe a little less. But they're functional, provide solid bonuses, always help, and are simple to keep track of. If you're into optimization, avoid them at all costs, but a warblade who focuses on these two feat trees is a perfectly playable one.


From here on out, the only feats mentioned will be those relevant to the warblade class.

Tome of Battle

Adaptive Style – With so few maneuvers readied, versatility can be a problem; this feat helps a lot. It’s a great choice for any warblade, though much less crucial than it is to a swordsage.
Avenging Strike – Cha is a dump stat for you, so there’s no reason to take this, anyway.
Blade Meditation - Very similar to Weapon Specialization, even more so because you have Weapon Aptitude. Skip it.
Evasive Reflexes – Pretty sweet. You never know when a little extra mobility can come in handy, but you can be darn sure it will.
Martial Stance – Stances are rare and precious. You should usually get enough, but it certainly doesn’t hurt to get an extra. This also lets you branch out of the warblade disciplines if you’re so inclined; if you spend a feat on Martial Study (Crusader’s Strike), which can help low-level survivability a lot, you might as well take this feat to get the Thicket of Blades stance.
Martial Study – Like stances, you can never have enough maneuvers. Then again, you can, to a limited degree, buy maneuvers with the appropriate items (the Crown of White Ravens and its ilk). Nonetheless, as I mentioned above, getting Crusader’s Strike can boost your early survival capacity (but remember - maneuvers gained through Martial Study can't be traded away).
Rapid Assault – It’s…ok. But frankly, Weapon Specialization is better.
Song of the White Raven – For bard/warblades, it’s absolutely awesome. But unless you plan on taking bard levels, you obviously don’t want it.
Snap Kick – Very nice! If you’re fighting unarmed (likely because you’re a Master of Nine), it’s a great pick.
Sudden Recovery – Erm. No. Using this feat prevents you from using a strike anyway, so you might as well just take the opportunity to refresh every maneuver rather than just one.
Superior Unarmed Strike – Heck, if you’re fighting unarmed, you might as well take it.
Vital Recovery – It’s only useful during the low levels, so you might as well just grab Martial Study (Crusader’s Strike) instead.
Unnerving Calm - While Diamond Mind is one of the best disciplines available, this feat disappoints. Don't bother.
Ironheart Aura - Like many of your bonus feats, Ironheart Aura at first seems underwhelming. But it's a requirement for Stormguard Warrior, which is par exsalonce.
Stone Power - It's good in and of itself, and the fact that it's a prerequisite for Shards of Granite only sweetens the deal. But be warned: as you level up, it decreases in effectiveness.
Tiger Blooded - If you're a shifter or have levels in barbarian, look no further; take it in a pinch. But obviously, otherwise you don't want it.
White Raven Defense - Far from fantastic, but it leads to Clarion Commander, which is very nice.

Tactical Feats:

Clarion Commander – Following Up and Perpetual Flank can be pretty useful, the latter especially if there’s a sneak attacker in your party.
Perfect Clarity of Mind and Body – Try saying that as a free action. Even if you do, it should only be to trash the thing, because it’s terrible.
Reaping Talons – It’s slightly better than Perfect Clarity of Mind and Body, but not by much. Skip it.
Shards of Granite – Eviscerating Strike is just awesome. If you’ve taken Stone Power, pick this one up as well.
Stormguard Warrior – Now this? This is where it’s at. In tandem with Robilar’s Gambit or Karmic Strike, Channel the Storm can rack up some really mean bonuses, and Combat Rhythm can up your punch considerably.

Player’s Handbook II

Acrobatic Strike – This is all right. The bonus is somewhat situational, and by the time you’re level 9 there are better feats to choose from. Conversely, there are worse ones.
Active Shield Defense – If you’re playing a sword & board tank, this can be excellent. However, for a tanking role it’s usually best to use a reach (and often tripping) weapon, which makes it less useful.
Adaptable Flanker – You’ll definitely see use if there’s a sneak attacker in the party, but it sucks up your swift action, which means no strikes for you.
Agile Shield Fighter – It’s completely essential for shield bashers, though awful for anyone else.
Armor Specialization – DR 2/- simply isn’t worth a feat, especially at the high levels.
Bounding Assault – Spring Attack is awful. You better not have invested the feats in it, but if you have then you can consider this. You might also want to consider another gem from the PHBII – retraining.
Brutal Strike – Love it. It helps a lot to take Shock Trooper as well: that way you can increase your PA damage (and thus this feat’s save DC) without worrying about missing. And combine with Three Mountains Strike for more goodies.
Combat Acrobat – Quite nice. And you’ll likely have the skill prereqs anyway.
Combat Tactician – This just confuses me. Taking Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization nets you +1 attack and +2 damage; taking Dodge and Combat Tactician gets you +1 AC (sometimes) and +2 damage (occasionally). Outperformed by the Weapon Focus/Spec line; ouch.
Cometary Collision – Really nice for intercepting charges, and the attack/damage bonuses are just gravy. And it has the same prereqs as Shock Trooper, which means you often won’t have to throw out any feats to qualify.
Crushing Strike – Look, if you’ve already gotten Melee Weapon Mastery, it’s time to pull out. If you fight with a bludgeoning weapon, check out Brutal Strike and Three Mountains Strike instead.
Defensive Sweep – Ooh. Very, very nice for tanks.
Driving Attack – If you can bully your DM into letting it work with single-attack maneuvers, this is an excellent choice. Otherwise, best left alone.
Fade Into Violence – What sort of warblade are you? Your job is to be out there taking hits and winning glory, not cowering and creeping around.
Flay – Very bad. No sort of half-competent foe will lack an armor bonus to AC.
Grenadier – Maneuvers don’t work with splash weapons, so specializing in them is hardly a good choice.
Hindering Opportunist – A vast majority of the time, an AoO from you will be much more helpful than a +2 on an ally’s attack.
Intimidating Strike – A very solid choice if you have ranks in Bluff. Just make sure you don’t take so many penalties to your attack roll that you miss.
Indomitable Soul – Really good. The prereqs can be annoying, but luckily, both can be taken as bonus feats.
Leap of the Heavens – If you focus on jumping, the competence bonus will likely be lost on you. Nonetheless, this is a nice choice for a dragoon build.
Lunging Strike - …Look, just 5-foot step up to them.
Melee Evasion – You may notice that the effect is almost identical to the Wall of Blades counter. Skip it.
Melee Weapon Mastery – This is the reason you take Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization. Investing three feats into these can be an excellent choice, but after getting it this one I advise you to pull out.
Overwhelming Assault – “Only a fool ignores the deadly threat that you present”. You got that right, PHBII; unfortunately, you won’t get very far by assuming every enemy you meet is a fool.
Rapid Blitz – Okay, so you ignored my earlier advice about retraining. I suppose that if you’re still alive by 18th level, Spring Attack hasn’t completely ruined you…but for the love of the gods, don’t throw any more feats down the drain. How do you expect to beat the BBEG with Spring Attack? Also: retraining. Look into it.
Robilar’s Gambit – Pure awesome. Robilar’s Gambit is spectacular for just about any warblade; you can’t go wrong with free attacks.
Shield Sling – As a shield fighter, you’ll be strapped for feats enough as it is. You can’t really afford branching out into thrown weapons.
Shield Specialization – By itself, Shield Specialization isn’t great, but it opens a lot of doors when it comes to shield fighting. If you’d like to go that route, it’s basically a must.
Shield Ward – If you use a shield, you could do much worse. Ultimately, a solid pick.
Short Haft – It sucks up swift actions, which for you is terrible. A much, much better option is just to grab Exotic Weapon Proficiency and use a spiked chain or meteor hammer.
Slashing Flurry – An extra attack is very nice, though the prereqs can be a drag.
Spectral Skirmisher – If you’re invisible a lot, it’s not too bad. But there are better options, and many foes will eventually have Blindsense, Blindsight, or True Seeing.
Stalwart Defense – Hindering Opportunist is bad. Stalwart Defense is worse.
Steadfast Determination – This is a really good feat, especially because Endurance can be picked up as a bonus feat. It makes a key weakness, Will saves, dependent on your second most important stat, Constitution.
Trophy Collector – If you’ve invested 6 ranks in Craft (taxidermy), you’re already a taxidermist. You don’t need a terrible feat to prove it.
Two-Weapon Pounce – Bloodclaw Master and the Pouncing Charge maneuver provide nearly the same bonus, and without sucking up a feat.
Two-Weapon Rend – TWFing is already feat intensive, but if you can spare more then this is a strong choice. Quite a bit of bonus damage.
Versatile Unarmed Strike – Can be quite handy for overcoming DR. If you’re up against things like zombies and skeletons, it can be a good pick.
Vexing Flanker – Honestly, I’d tend to pick Weapon Focus over it (in my book, a constant +1 tops a situational +2). Seeing as Weapon Focus isn’t a great feat, that doesn’t say much about Vexing Flanker.
Weapon Supremacy – You won’t qualify for this until 20th level, which means you won’t be able to take it until 21st. But if a friendly caster can spare a heroics spell, this is an brilliant candidate – and if you qualify, you should take it at 21st without a thought.

Complete Adventurer

Brachiation – If you encounter a lot of rough terrain, it might be useful. But this ages by high levels, and aging feats often aren’t a wise choice.
Brutal Throw – A nice choice for a Bloodstorm Blade who wants to save swift actions.
Combat Intuition – Meh. Not usually a wise choice to invest in Sense Motive, and even ignoring that, this isn’t a very spectacular feat.
Danger Sense – Rerolls are awesome, and initiative can be crucial. This is a very solid pick.
Death Blow – Ooh, nice. Very cool if a party caster is fond of hold spells (and who wouldn’t be?). Even better because you can use that standard action to refresh maneuvers.
Deft Opportunist – Far from bad, and especially nice if you have Karmic Strike or Robilar’s Gambit.
Dive for Cover – While rerolls are, as I’ve said, great, your Reflex save will usually be high enough. And while failing a Will save can mean losing a battle, failing a Reflex save often just means taking some extra damage.
Dual Strike – Not strictly bad for a TWFer, but you’ll often be too feat-strapped to afford it.
Expert Tactician – If you’re an AoO build, this can amount to giving allies bonuses against the foe you’re fighting every round. But they’re small bonuses, and only last for a round; not really worth a feat.
Force of Personality – Cha is your only dump stat. Avoid it like the plague.
Goad – Based on Cha, and it’s a mind affecting ability, which can be guarded against without a lot of trouble by the mid levels.
Hear the Unseen – You can buy it with a Blindfold of True Darkness or get it with the Hearing the Air stance. Never, ever learn this.
Improved Diversion – Why the heck would you want to make a diversion in the first place?
Insightful Reflexes – Actually, since you already add Int to Reflex saves, this just makes your Reflex save worse.
Leap Attack – Sheer, pure awesome. A really easy Jump check (and you should have the Jump ranks anyway) gets you get an enormous multiplier on your Power Attack damage – wow.
Open Minded – You should have enough SP for your needs, and even if you don’t then you shouldn’t waste a feat on this.
Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting – This is the same deal as Monkey Grip, doubly so. That is, it’s awful and you should steer way clear of it.
Power Throw – If you specialize in thrown weapons, you should go Bloodstorm Blade, and that PrC gives you the same benefit as this feat.

Complete Warrior

Clever Wrestling – By the high levels you should always get a ring of freedom of movement anyway, making this a wasted choice. The very circumstantial prerequisite doesn’t help.
Close-Quarters Fighting – While you will, as I said above, want a ring of freedom of movement, extra attacks are very yummy; it also helps offset the usually large gulf between your grapple checks and that of a grapple-oriented opponent. A good choice, and in every way superior to Clever Wrestling.
Dash – Five extra feet of movement is very nice. Five extra feet of movement is also not worth one of your precious feat slots.
Defensive Strike – Considering that Dodge is an awful feat and the Fight the Horde use of Stormguard Warrior is better, this is just terrible.
Earth’s Embrace – If you want to grapple, warblade isn’t the best choice. And you should be aware that this feat becomes much less useful when you start facing lots of crit-immune enemies; nonetheless, it’s an okay choice if you qualify.
Eagle Claw Attack – Your Wisdom won’t be high, and even if it were…how often will you be attacking objects?
Eyes in the Back of Your Head – Even if it were a constant +2 AC, it wouldn’t be worth it. As is, it’s just pathetic.
Extra Stunning – If you have Stunning Fist, you might as well take this. But you will be feat-starved as an unarmed combatant, make no mistake, so only pick this if you can afford it. It goes without saying that non-unarmed combatants should never even consider this.
Faster Healing – You should always heal between fights, anyway. And if you can’t, somehow I don’t think one extra hit point will be much help.
Fist of Iron – Take this, and gain 1d6 extra damage a few times a day. Or take Weapon Specialization, and gain +2 damage all day. Yeah, it’s actually eclipsed by Weapon Specialization. What does that say about it?
Fleet of Foot – Pick up the Twisted Charge skill trick. It’s two skill points rather than two feats.
Flying Kick – If you fight unarmed and charge regularly, it’s all right. Otherwise, it sucks.
Greater Kiai Shout – It’s good for dispatching mooks, but you normally want to dump Cha.
Greater Resiliency – Wizards thought DR was spectacular, and handed it out to player characters accordingly stingily. Unfortunately, it’s far from as great as they thought, and DR 1/- is a waste of a feat.
Greater Two-Weapon Defense – This is an awful line of feats. Just…no.
Hold the Line – Extra attacks are always good to have, and out there on the front lines you’ll see charging opponents more than most.
Improved Buckler Defense – The old trick of wearing and enchanting a buckler is now viable for TWFers as well. But it’s probably wiser just to get an animated shield – TWFing will suck up your feats as it is.
Improved Combat Expertise – Honestly, I have no idea why this wasn’t just wrapped into the original feat. But if you took Combat Expertise, you might as well take this so that you can use it to its full potential.
Improved Toughness – Improved Toughness isn’t the best feat to take, but it’s loads better than its counterpart. If you really want extra hit points, you can do much worse than this one.
Improved Two-Weapon Defense - I hate to sound like a record, but this is a terrible, terrible, terrible line of feats.
Improved Weapon Familiarity – Because you have Weapon Aptitude, this is nothing but a worse version of Exotic Weapon Proficiency.
Karmic Strike – Pure awesome. This is one of the only reasons you should take Dodge, and it’s quite the incentive. Requires more investment than Robilar’s Gambit, but its effects are better and it can be taken at a lower level.
Kiai Shout – If you have 13 Cha, this isn’t too bad an option. It’s best used in campaigns where you expect to face large numbers of low-level enemies.
Monkey Grip – It’s a trap! All this really equates to is a couple more points of damage.
Phalanx Fighting – “If you are using a heavy shield and a light weapon”. Why the heck would you be doing that? The only time you should be is if you’re TWFing with a light weapon in your off-hand and an animated shield…but by the time you can afford an animated shield, +1 or +2 AC will be quite an obsolete bonus.
Pin Shield – The extra attacks from your off-hand weapon are much more valuable than denying your opponent their shield’s AC bonus.
Power Critical – You already have a bonus from Battle Ardor, and if you’re pursuing the Weapon Focus tree, your unclaimed feats are very precious.
Prone Attack – If you fall down a lot, this helps. You’re also not a great warblade. Anyway, this is the epitome of mediocrity. Lousy prereq, solid but situational bonus. You can usually do better, but if you like this one, you can also do a lot worse.
Roundabout Kick – Really nasty (for your opponents, that is). If you can reliably score unarmed crits, it’s just brutal.
Shield Charge – If shield bashing and tripping are your thing, this is excellent – and it’s a requirement for Shield Slam, too!
Shield Slam – Just fantastic for shield bashers. It’s a Fortitude save, yes, but a pretty high DC, and dazing an enemy for a round is often equivalent to killing them.
Throw Anything – Very nice. Bloodstorm Blades will get this automatically, but even if you don’t plan on throwing regularly, it’s still very solid.

Tactical Feats:

Combat Brute – Momentum Swing. Oh yeah. This is amazing for any warblade.
Elusive Target – Remember how I said that Karmic Strike was one of the few reasons to take Dodge? This is another. Negate Power Attack is simply insane; Diverting Defense is excellent; for trippers, Cause Overreach is wonderful. Wear Armor of Mobility from Draconomicon, and you only have to take one prerequisite feat.
Formation Expert – Decidedly meh. If you’re defending Osgiliath, that’s one thing, but you usually won’t see a lot of use out of this feat.
Giantbane – Mediocre. It’s not a great choice, but it’s a fine one.
Raptor School – Dreadful.
Shock Trooper – Insane. Heedless Charge is the clear standout: it’s totally essential for chargers, and amazing for just anyone.



Weapons: The Sword Rack
Thanks to Harnel

Core


Simple


Dagger - If you want a light weapon, wield a kukri or a short sword. Carry one with you, though, just in case.
Punching Dagger - It's like a regular dagger but without throwing.
Spiked Gauntlet - This weapon's primary use is in combination with a reach weapon, as a backup in case foes get inside your reach. In those cases, it does its job perfectly. If you're looking for a primary melee weapon, though, look elsewhere.
Light Mace - The Lightning Maces feat makes these quite useful. However, a better use for that feat is to use it with kukris that have been enchanted with ToB's Aptitude property.
Sickle - Slightly more damage than the dagger, and trip as well.
Heavy Mace - It's the hardest weapon to sunder, and its damage is fine, but it has a smaller crit range than the martial weapons. It could be useful with the feat Three Mountains Style.
Morningstar - It's a cheap heavy mace that's easy to sunder. The only benefit is its ability to overcome more types of DR.
Longspear - The damage is low for a two-handed weapon, but it makes up for it in flexibility: the longspear has reach and can be braced against a charge.
Spear, Shortspear - Marginally useful in that they can be set against a charge or thrown, but without reach there isn't much to see here.


Martial


Kukri - Amazing for crit-fishers and TWFers. If you're not TWFing, there's no reason to use one.
Light Pick - Nothing worth mentioning.
Armor Spikes - Always useful as backup weapon. They allow you to threaten adjacent squares while wielding a reach weapon, and you can use them in a grapple. You can also enchant them and make them Defending.
Battleaxe - Comparable to the longsword.
Flail/Heavy Flail - Reasonable choices. Better if you're planning to exploit tripping/disarming.
Longsword - A reasonable choice for sword-and-boarders.
Heavy pick - Like the scimitar, but with increased multiplier rather than threat range; inferior, since it's not as useful for crit-fishing.
Rapier - Comparable to the scimitar. A good choice if you're a Dex-based warblade, particularly if you have your eye on a dip in the Champion of Corellon prestige class.
Scimitar - A reasonable choice for sword-and-boarders.
Trident - No real reason to take this over other comparable weapons unless you're planning on taking the Net and Trident style feat, and that is an awfully weird feat commitment for a warblade - you have far better feat lines available.
Warhammer - A reasonable choice for sword-and-boarders.
Falchion - A choice comparable to the greatsword. Gets nasty if you're planning on critical hit silliness.
Glaive. Reach, THF, and slightly better damage than the other martial reach weapons. Okay, but the other polearms' special abilities typically make them better choices.
Greataxe - A reasonable choice, comparable to greatsword. Like the greatsword, it lacks reach.
Greatclub - Two-handed, comparable to the greatsword. Gets better if you plan on taking advantage of Three Mountains Style.
Greatsword - A solid choice. High damage output, but it unfortunately lacks the reach that polearms provide.
Guisarme - THF, Reach, and ability to make trips. If you're planning on becoming a tripper, this can become an amazing weapon.
Halberd - THF, ability to make trips, and it can be set against charges. Lack of reach makes this inferior to the guisarme, but if you're a tripper it's potentially better than the greatsword.
Lance - Reach. Incredible for a mounted combatant, but don't wield it in one hand even if you could.
Ranseur - Reach and disarm bonus. Disarm isn't the best technique ever, but against other medium humanoids it can do okay. Reach means an enemy without a reach weapon of their own won't be able to claim the AoO trying to disarm normally provokes.
Scythe - A two-handed weapon that can also be used to make trip attacks. Can be hilarious if you're able to expand the critical radius. Conspicuously lacks reach.


Exotic


Keep in mind when looking through exotic weapons that, as a warblade, you have something that other classes don't - Weapon Aptitude allows you, with only 15 minutes' practice, to change what weapons weapon-specific feats (including Exotic Weapon Proficiency) apply to. Take EWP, fiddle with an exotic weapon for a while, and you're instantly proficienct.

Kama, Nunchaku, Sai, Siangham - Disarm and trip are useful, but you can get both of them and more damage with a flail. A spiked chain nets you reach as well.
Bastard Sword, Dwarven Waraxe - The extra point of damage isn't worth a feat if you're getting EWP just for these guys. However, if you're using them to bridge from sword-and-board style to THFing, and you're taking EWP to use, say, the spiked chain later, they are basically strict upgrades to the longsword and battleaxe. They also get better if you're planning taking at least 1 level of the Exotic Weapon Master PrC. One of the Exotic Weapon Master's abilities allows you to get a 2:1 return on PA rather than 1.5:1 so long as you're using a one-handed exotic weapon in 2 hands. Dwarves, who have free proficiency with their racial weapons, don't even need a feat to enter this PrC.
Whip - While good for factotums, very bad for warblades.
Orc Doubleaxe - Essentially the same deal as the the double sword.
Spiked Chain - A superior choice. This weapon is the gold standard against which all others should be judged. It is a THF, it allows trips and disarms, it is finessable even though it isn't light, and it has reach even though it also allows you to strike adjacent foes. You need a good reason NOT to take EWP to use this weapon.
Dire Flail - If you to trip, disarm, and TWF, just use a regular flail and something else.
Gnome Hooked Hammer - Only slightly better than the warhammer and sickle combo. Skip it.
Double Sword - If you're TWFing it's better to go with a weapon suitable for crit-fishing.
Dwarven Urgosh - Meh. It's worse than a spear, and sucks up a feat. However, if you're a dwarf (and so have free proficiency), it's a reasonable choice.
Net, Bolas - Both of these use ranged touch attacks, so even if you're not proficient with them, you can still use a THF weapon in melee.



Non-Core



Bardiche, Bec-de-Corbin, Glaive-Guisarme (PAPG) - These are all decent. The bardiche is good if you face monsters who use sunder, the bec-de-corbin is good if you use sunder, and the glaive-guisarme is good against mounted opponents.
Battle Aspergillum (PAPG) - Useful against evil outsiders and undead. Otherwise, give it a miss.
Bill (PAPG) - Lower damage than most polearms, but it's useful against mounted opponents and has the disarm ability.
Boar Spear (PAPG) - Identical to the regular spear, but can't be thrown; instead, it grants a very situational +2 to AC.
Chain Spear (PAPG) - Why are you spending your Exotic Weapon Proficiency on this when you would be more effective with a shortspear and flail.
Cestus (PAPG) - Exactly the same as the spiked gauntlet, but has a better threat range and is a monk weapon.
Dragonsplits (MMIV) - This exotic weapon is one-handed, but counts as light for the purposes of Two-Weapon Fighting and Weapon Finesse. Excellent for TWFing, since you don't have to burn a feat on Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting. Alternatively, they can gain the same benefits as a bastard sword from a 1 level dip in Exotic Weapon Master.
Double Hammer (CW) - Not that great. An extra point of damage won't be winning you any competitions.
Double Khopesh (Sandstorm) - Probably the best weapon, aside from the kukri, for TWFing. It's a strict upgrade to the double scimitar as it allows you to make trip attacks. Not useful if you aren't TWFing.
Dire Pick (CW) - It's a bastard sword with a different crit range. Good for coup de graces, but...well, meh.
Dwarven Double Spear (ROS) - Not really worth it.
Dwarven warpike (ROS) - This is hands down the best polearm there is, with 2d8 damage, x3 crit, and the trip ability. If you're a dwarf, there's just no reason not to get this.
Elven Courtblade (ROTW) - It's useful for users of Weapon Finesse.
Elven Lightblade, Elven Thinblade (CW, ROTW) - These aren't terrible weapons, but they're not exactly great ones either. Fairly flavorful, though.
Falcata (PAPG) - Slightly better than the bastard sword.
Foot Spike (ROTW): Pretty bad, but if you're a raptoran and can get the DM to let you use them with your feet, they become a whole lot better
Fullblade (A&EG) - It's a souped up greatsword. Not bad.
Goliath Greathammer (ROS) - The larger crit multiplier equates to one extra point of damage. Unless you're playing a goliath and manage to convince your DM to give you Weapon Familiarity, get a greataxe.
Greatspear (CW) - If you want this, just get a greatsword with the Throwing enchantment. However, there are some spear-only feats, and this is the only spear that's not a simple weapon.
Halfling Slingstaff - It costs one feat, and you get more damage, more range, and the ability to treat it as a club in melee. However, it requires a move action to reload, and if you have EWP you probably have a better exotic weapon to use.
Heavy poleaxe (CW) - Get a dwarven warpike.
Hellspear (FC 2) - Not a terribly high amount of damage, but consider the fact that it's a reach weapon that you can attack adjacent enemies with. That's what makes the spiked chain so awesome, isn't it?
Khopesh (PAPG) - Typically not worth it. If you want trip, wield a flail.
Lasso (PAPG) - Cheaper than a net, but not that great. However, if you make it a Spell Storing item and a persuade a friendly mage to cast a spell into it, making touch attacks against your enemy with this thing is pretty neat.
Longaxe (CAdv) - Greataxe is good. Greataxe with the option of being a reach weapon is better.
Lynxpaw (ROTW) - *Shakes head* WotC...what were you thinking?
Minotaur Greathammer - This beast of a weapon weighs 30 pounds, but it deals 1d12 damage at medium size and has a crit range of 19-20/x4. That is absolutely ridiculous. There is a problem in that there's no listed price, so you'll have to work with your DM to figure out a reasonable one.
Valenar Double Scimitar - A reasonable choice for TWFing crit-fishers. However, if you're a Valenar elf, and treat it as a martial weapon, it's much better.
Warmace (CW) - Not worth both a feat and an AC penalty.

[Elfin]

Magic Items: Tricking Out Your Sword

Dungeon Master's Guide

Armor



+1 Bonus:

Arrow Catching – Shield. Only applies to arrows aimed at targets within 5 feet of you, and notably, doesn’t function if the ranged weapons have an enhancement bonus greater than your shield. Little use.
Bashing – Shield. Mandatory for shield-bashers, holds little use for those uninterested in shield bashing.
Blinding – Shield. Blinded is a pretty nasty status condition, but the save DC is only 14 and the ability functions only twice per day.

+2 Bonus:

Animated – Shield. A defining property for shields, and the only thing that makes them worthwhile: granting all the benefits they confer but leaving both your hands free. It’s likely you’ll want to pick up an animated shield at some point. You’ll absolutely need to if you’re a shield-basher.
Arrow Deflection – Shield. A DC 20 Reflex save to avoid a ranged attack is pretty snazzy. This is going to put a crunch in any archer’s day, especially because, at high levels, the save DC will probably become close to trivial.

+3 Bonus:

Ghost Touch – Armor/shield. If you’re incorporeal, I guess. But for the more substantial among us, not worth a +3 bonus.
Invulnerability – Armor. Sorry, but if you call DR 5 invulnerability, then you are kind of silly.

+5 Bonus:

Reflecting – Shield. Spell turning, even once per day, is a very potent effect, but a +5 bonus is quite significant (and it has to be weighed against the benefits you might glean from investing your gold elsewhere). I would not, ultimately, pick this property, even in a Core-only game; however, it would not be an awful choice.

Variable:

Fortification – +1/+3/+5 bonus. Armor/shield. Comes in three versions, each providing a degree of immunity against critical hits – variously, 25, 75, and 100 percent. Critical hits are unexpected and often devastating, and as such the light and moderate versions of this property are almost certainly worth thinking about. The heavy version is more of a question: a +5 bonus, but in exchange for total crit immunity. Generally I would stick with the moderate version, as it’s significantly cheaper and still gives a 75% chance at negation.
Spell Resistance - +2/+3/+4/+5 bonus. Armor. It comes in five versions, which provide from 13 to 19 SR. The SR is, needless to say, ridiculously low; if you’re restricted to Core, the first version could maybe be on the table, but anything above that is absurdly overpriced.

+X GP

Energy Resistance (Acid Resistance, Cold Resistance, Electricity Resistance, Fire Resistance, Sonic Resistance) – +18,000/+42,000/+66,000 gp. Armor/shield. Simply too niche (and at too great a cost) to be worthwhile. You’d be much better off simply having the party caster prepare or acquire scrolls of resist energy or energy immunity if you expect to go up against foes who use a certain type of energy damage. Not only is that cheaper, it’s also far more versatile.
Etherealness – +49,000 gp. Armor. The price tag is somewhat hefty, especially considering that one may only go ethereal once per day, though on the other hand, you can stay ethereal indefinitely. Handy for ambushes, hiding, and making a quick escape; functions as a form of both flight and invisibility. However, there are probably cheaper ways to accomplish what this property does.
Glamered – +2,700 gp. Armor. Lets your armor appear as a normal set of clothing. Needless to say, very nifty.
Shadow, Silent Moves, Slick – +3,750/+15,000/+33,750 gp. Armor. Competence bonuses ranging from +5 to +15 on, respectively, Hide, Move Silently, and Escape Artist checks. None are (for you, at least) worth getting.


Weapons


To be imbued with a special ability, a weapon must have at least a +1 bonus.

Numerical Bonuses (+2, +3, etcetera) - It's never worth getting a numerical bonus higher than +1. Unless you go out of your way to ruin yourself, special abilities will always confer much greater benefits than a simple +1 to attack and damage. Numerical bonuses don't hurt you, but when you can you should always choose a special ability instead.

+1 Bonus:

Bane – If you know ahead of time that you’ll be facing a lot of one type of enemy, a bane weapon of the appropriate type can be a very profitable investment to make. If you don’t know what you’ll be facing, you can still reasonably choose a type that’s likely to come up, like monstrous humanoids or undead, but it’s a gamble and you may get better returns from a different property.
Energy (Flaming, Frost, Corrosive, Screaming, Shock) – The basic weapon property, and very serviceable. If you’re restricted to Core, you’ll probably want to pick up one (or even two) of these. Corrosive and screaming are from the MIC, but they’re grouped here for convenience. Be aware that at higher levels, resistance to fire and cold damage is rampant, so you’ll probably want to get one of the other three instead; screaming deals on average one less point of damage than the others, but resistance to sonic damage is very rare. Note that a greater crystal of energy assault can, for a cheap price, net you one of these properties plus another minor benefit.
Defending –
Ghost Touch – A lesser or greater truedeath crystal will grant you this same property for a cheaper price, and without binding you to enchant your weapon. If you’re in a campaign heavy with incorporeal foes, I recommend grabbing one of those instead – not only will a weapon crystal not suck up part of your weapon’s precious +10 maximum, but you’ll get some nifty bonus damage versus undead (and with the greater version, the ability to crit against them).
Keen – A scabbard of keen edges will grant you this property for 150 minutes each day, for only 16000 GP; pretty much every warblade should have one or the other (it's not optional for crit fishers). I’d tend toward preferring the scabbard, as three fifty-minute segments every day should probably cover most of your adventuring needs (you can always buy another, as well). But be aware that the scabbard takes a standard action to activate, which can be limiting if you’re not expecting combat.
Merciful – The utility of this property depends heavily on how often you use nonlethal damage. I know that some groups employ it heavily, while others ignore it entirely; if your party falls into the first grouping, a merciful weapon may be worth considering. But my default reaction would be to say there are better choices.
Mighty Cleaving – If you have the Cleave feat, this will allow you an additional cleave attempt. Fairly decent, though if you can use the MIC there are definitely better properties. If you’re restricted to Core – likely, if you have Cleave – it may be worth considering. But if you find yourself facing clusters of weak enemies often enough that this property frequently comes into play, you may simply be better off taking Great Cleave. If you don't have Cleave, of course, you can't use it.
Spell Storing – A nifty property with lots of possible utility. It does have the problem of needing to be refilled very frequently. Subpar in terms of damage potential.
Thundering – Essentially an energy burst property with slightly lower damage and without the non-crit benefit. When compared with a normal energy property, you're looking at 1d6 damage on every attack versus, with thundering, a negligibly higher 1d8 damage on a crit.
Better if you have a weapon with a x4 crit modifier, but still not great.
Vicious – The extra damage against your opponent is going to greatly outweigh the minimal damage you sustain. However, it does mean you’ll end most battles with a fair number of scrapes, so if you don’t have access to easy healing between encounters it may not be the best choice. Nonetheless it is something to consider, especially if you can’t use the MIC.

+2 Bonus:

Aligned (Anarchic, Axiomatic, Holy, Unholy) – As an adventurer, it’s expected that just about every foe you face will be evil. As such, the holy enhancement is incredibly useful (for evil characters, vice versa). The anarchic and axiomatic properties are far less reliable, and as such not a good choice.
Disruption – Most warblades aren’t going to be using a bludgeoning weapon, which this property requires. Even if you are wielding a bludgeoning weapon, by the time you can afford a disruption weapon most undead will be able to make the low save easily; don’t expect them to fail more than 5-10% of the time. While a 5-10% chance of instant destruction may sound formidable, remember that combat in D&D is quick and that, in the long term, you’ll likely get more benefit by using that +2 bonus elsewhere. And if you’re drooling over the prospect of KOing that ancient lich, remember that if you’re in position to be hitting them you’ve likely won anyway.
Energy Burst (Acidic Burst, Flaming Burst, Icy Burst, Screaming Burst, Shocking Burst) – Potentially excellent if you’re a crit fisher, especially if you have a way to increase your critical multiplier (or are restricted to Core). Acidic and screaming are from the MIC, but they’re grouped here for convenience. If you’re wielding a minotaur greathammer or another x4 weapon, an energy burst property may also be worth consideration. Otherwise, though, there are better options.
Wounding – A property with the possibility of becoming very nasty indeed, even more so if you’re TWFing with two wounding weapons. As you level up, it becomes more and more appealing; higher enemy HD mean the Con damage goes farther, and more iteratives mean more Con damage. On the flip side, more enemies become immune to crits (and thus, this property’s effect).

+3 Bonus:

Speed – Copies the extra attack effect of haste (which it doesn’t stack with). If you can afford to buy a +3 weapon property, you can afford to just buy a wand of haste instead (which also gets you the benefits of extra movement speed and the bonus to attacks and Reflex saves). However, haste from a default wand only lasts five rounds, so you’ll have to buff before every combat (and risk running out mid-fight); the habit can also quickly become expensive. The speed property’s permanent nature is a benefit that can’t be overlooked.

+4 Bonus:

Brilliant Energy – Yuck, lightsabers. A brilliant energy weapon can’t affect constructs or undead, so make sure to keep a backup weapon if you decide to use one. Its effect – ignoring armor bonuses to AC – is going to basically result in you auto-hitting; however, at a +4 bonus it is quite expensive, and you should be hitting nearly all the time, anyway (the Tarrasque only has 35 AC; pit fiends have only 40). You’d likely be better off spending that +4 bonus on other properties.
Dancing – A dancing weapon will need to be a backup weapon, since it can’t dance and be wielded at the same time. At an additional +4 bonus, that means your backup weapon will probably be nearly equal to your main weapon in price – and that’s something you simply can’t afford, unless you’re inordinately rich. Especially because it won’t be doing all that much damage, a dancing weapon is prohibitively expensive.

+5 Bonus:

Vorpal – Vorpal weapons are a manxome issue. Their cost is frumiously expensive, both in terms of costing an outgrabe amount of gold and taking up a full half of your weapon’s maximum +10 bonus; however, the allure of a 5% chance (a greater chance with iteratives) of automatically whiffling your enemy can’t be denied. The severing effect does work against enemies immune to crits, but not against those who have no heads or can function without theirs, which can be problematic; and most combats are caloohly short. It’s also a death effect, to which (by the time you can afford this) most uffish foes are going to be immune. Generally, I would say that the vorpal property is a bit too gimble to be worth it.


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Magic Item Compendium


Armor


Armor:

Shields:


Weapons


+1 Bonus:

Banishing – Fabulous. At high levels you’ll be fighting loads of extraplanar creatures, and activating this property (you get three activations per day) forces them to make a DC 20 (or potentially higher) Will save or be banished. There’s not much to say about a SoL.
Binding – It mimics the effect of dimensional anchor twice a day, for ten minutes. While potentially useful, if you know that you’re going to be needing dimensional anchor, it’s probably better to just have the party caster either prepare it or procure a scroll or wand of it.
Blessed – You shouldn’t have trouble confirming critical hits, and the holy property, which you’ll probably want to get, covers DR/good.
Bloodfeeding – A normal energy property is more reliable and often better.
Bloodstone – Useless.
Brutal Surge – Initiate a bull rush as part of an attack, 1+ Con modifier/day. If you’re a goliath or other large race, almost mandatory. The property gets even better if you have Improved Bull Rush, but is wonderful on its own terms.
Chargebreaker – Let’s be real here, no enemy that’s charging at you is going to fail a DC 14 Fort save except on a natural 1 (if they can, they’re not a threat). When they do fail their save, though, this effect is utterly devastating.
Charging – If you’re a mounted combatant, this property is mandatory. If you’re not, its effect is useless to you.
Defensive Surge – You should not be using Combat Expertise as anything but a feat sink to qualify for Improved Trip. Even if you are, +2 AC isn’t worth a +1 bonus.
Desiccating – For most purposes, identical to screaming and psychokinetic. Screaming is ineffective against sonic-resistant foes; desiccating is ineffective against nonliving ones. Psychokinetic is better than both, as it deals force damage.
Dislocator – From now on, you will try to fight every battle on the edge of a lava pit. A DC 17 Will save isn’t too terrible, and moving your foe ten feet can be lifesaving.
Also, lava pit.
Dispelling – Because you have no CL as a warblade, you’re going to be unable to dispel anything with a CL higher than 9. That’s pretty limiting, especially when you consider that even on lower-CL effects, your chances of dispelling won’t be favorable – and the effect only functions three times per day.
Divine Wrath – Not suited to warblades. Charisma is your dump stat.
Dragondoom – No, just get a dragonbane weapon.
Heavenly Burst – Unless you have a weapon with a x4 crit multiplier, superior to an energy burst property. A very solid enhancement, especially for crit-fishers.
Illusion Bane – Becomes wonderful as miss chances become more common. It takes a swift action to activate, however, which for you is problematic.
Impact – See keen. This is keen for bludgeoning weapons.
Impaling – A nice property, but warblades should usually steer clear of it because it takes a swift action to activate.
Knockback – Note that it only works against creatures of your size or smaller, and only thrice a day. Brutal surge is superior in every way.
Lucky – Rerolls are priceless.
Magebane – Like a bane weapon, but it works against all enemies who cast arcane spells or use invocations. The version that appeared originally in Complete Arcane also functioned against enemies with SLAs, but the MIC nerfed it. It's still excellent, though.
Maiming – A vanilla energy enhancement is going to be superior.
Morphing – Not a great deal of use.
Paralyzing – While paralyzing your opponent is awesome, the effect only functions once per day and the save DC is too low for that to be justified. Look into paralytic burst instead.
Profane – Evil is always getting the short end of the stick. I can guarantee that taking 1 Con damage every round is far worse than dealing an extra 1d6 damage. Get an unholy or energy weapon instead. If you’re undead, though, it’s a nice enhancement.
Psychokinetic – Basically a superior version of screaming or desiccating. The extra 1d4 damage is force damage, which means it’s not subject to DR or even to incorporeality. Cool beans.
Resounding – Just plain terrible. Skip it.
Revealing – A very interesting effect – any foe you hit loses concealment. Concealment effects are terribly frustrating, and higher-level foes will use them if they are smart; this could be a very useful choice of enhancement.
Sacred – You don’t get any benefit from Charisma, which makes this property less awful than it would normally be. With your low Charisma, wielding this for any length of time could become dangerous to you; it also makes you an obvious target for Cha-draining effects. Energy properties are much superior. Notice that the good guys only suffer Cha damage, while the bad guys take hits to Con.
Shattermantle – If your mage is wise, they will be using no-SR spells against enemies with SR. And you won’t be making a full attack all that often, which makes the effect far less useful.
Shielding – If you have an off-hand weapon, you don’t want a shield. If you use a shield, you’ll want a real shield. You’ll probably have an animated shield, anyway.
Stygian – Very nice indeed. Automatically granting your enemy a negative level, 3/day, is excellent. It stacks with enervating.
Sundering – Mediocre. There’s possible use, but not a great deal; a warblade will often take Improved Sunder in any case, to qualify for Combat Brute.
Sweeping – Potentially useful for trippers, though at only a +2 bonus it seems like a different property would be more beneficial.
Venomous – Like chargebreaker, a stupidly easy Fort save. Unlike chargebreaker, it only works three times a day.
Warning – +5 to initiative is awesome, especially because it’s an insight bonus. Even better at high levels, when combat starts to resemble rocket tag. You only need to be holding it to gain the benefit; if you have Quick Draw, you can enter combat with a warning weapon held, get the bonus to initiative, and then swap to your main weapon.
Weakening – An automatic -4 Str to your opponent when you score a critical hit. There’s no save, which is neat. Sadly, multiple hits aren’t cumulative, but it’s nonetheless a potent ability (even more so in the hands of a crit-fisher).
Whirling – Functions 3/day as a superior Whirlwind Attack, and without all the terrible prereqs. Identical to the Mithral Tornado maneuver, and inferior to Adamantine Hurricane. Very nifty.

+2 Bonus:

Blindsighted – A blindfold of true darkness is better and cheaper.
Blurstrike – For obvious reasons, less useful to you than rogues and their ilk. Still, it’s hard to argue with catching an opponent flat-footed.
Collision – A no-nonsense +5 untyped damage with every hit. Beautiful in its simplicity, though, like all static bonuses, it ages.
Consumptive – An inferior collision.
Desiccating Burst – See energy burst.
Disarming – For the last time, do not disarm. Interestingly, makes you disarm-immune; however, if your enemy wants to rid you of your weapon they will try to sunder it, not disarm you. Absolutely not worth a +2 bonus.
Elemental (Aquan, Auran, Ignan, Terran)– Far too particular to waste a +2 bonus on.
Great Dislocator – Lava pit.
Greater Dispelling – Not a great deal more benefit to you, and it suffers the same problems dispelling does.
Domineering – Not bad at all, but cursespewing is much better and only a +1 higher bonus.
Doom Burst – While not terrible on its own terms, it’s as above inferior to cursespewing. If you’re considering this property, you should spring for cursespewing instead.
Energy Aura – Collision and holy are both better choices. Both screaming and desiccating accomplish the same job of overcoming common energy resistances, and at only a +1 bonus.
Energy Surge – Not bad at all, especially because the number of uses you get per day are keyed off of Con, one of your main stats. Better than an energy burst property, certainly. Never get fire or cold.
Enervating – Pure awesome. No TWFer should be without a pair of enervating weapons, and it’s a superb choice of enhancement for any warblade.
Fiercebane – Oh look, it’s Sting. Not worth it, sadly; you gain minimal benefits over bane.
Fleshgrinding – A nice ability. The main benefit is the chance of depriving your opponent of a standard action. But be conscious of the fact that everything you spend on your alternate weapon is money that could have been spent on your main weapon.
Ghost Strike – A greater truedeath crystal is cheaper, provides you with exactly the same benefit, and gives you an extra d6 damage versus undead to boot.
Illusion Theft – Decidedly mediocre.
Impedance – While it looks good on the surface, consider two things:
One, the Spellcraft DC is absurdly low, and skill checks don’t automatically fail on a natural 1.
Two, no spellcaster worth their salt is going to let you get into melee range.
Metalline – As that pesky DR starts popping up, being able to change your weapon’s material at will is invaluable. Highly recommended.
Paralytic – The Will DC is reasonably high, though it ages, and putting your foe out of action for a round is quite often equivalent to killing them. When you realize that with this property, critting is a SoL effect, it becomes extremely enticing – like all effects keyed off of crits, crit-fishers and TWFers get the most benefit out of it. Do remember that it doesn’t work against foes immune to paralyzation.
Profane Burst – Even worse than profane. Even if you’re undead, this isn’t worth it.
Psychokinetic Burst – The extra damage is far too little to be worthwhile.
Sacred Burst – If you’re critting with enough regularity to consider this enhancement, it is going to send you to 0 Cha – and thus, out of the battle – in no time. 1d4 Cha damage every time you crit makes this ability worse for you than your foe.
Soulbreaker – Why in the world are you leaving survivors?
Transmuting – Superb, comparable to metalline. DR is very common at high levels, and overcoming it automatically is great.
Vampiric – The untyped bonus damage is nice, and the healing is bound to come in handy. Very functional and a good choice.

+3 Bonus:

Bodyfeeder – At a +3 bonus, not worth considering unless you’re a crit-fisher. The temporary hitpoints don’t stack with each other, though they’ll definitely come in handy. The thing to consider is whether you’d get more steam by applying that +3 bonus elsewhere.
Cursespewing – Amazing, especially for crit-fishers. Nice for softening up targets for a SoD.
Ethereal Reaver - Never worth it.
Holy Surge – While a great enhancement, you lack the Cha to fuel it. Still solid, especially if you’ve raised your Cha via inherent and/or enhancement bonuses.
Implacable – Yay, +2 to +8 damage every round…for the price of a +3 bonus. And it’s only higher than +2 if you full attack. I guess those, um, ogres won’t know what hit them. Yeah. Er. Um.
Incorporeal Binding – Not worth a +3 bonus.
Unholy Surge – See holy surge.

+X GP:

Keep in mind that a weapon can't have a price tag of greater than 200,000 gp. If you add a +X enhancement to your weapon, you forfeit the chance of getting a full +10 bonus. This may or may not be worth it, but it's smart to be aware of.

Aquatic – +2,000 GP. In an aquatic campaign (or one where you find yourself frequently underwater), it’s a steal. Otherwise, there’s no need to get it.
Changeling – +2,000 gp. No concrete function.
Everbright – +2,000 gp. Cheap. The effect is not very useful, and as such your money is probably best spent elsewhere.
Hideaway – +2,000 gp. If you’re not going to invest in a +10 weapon, this is a nifty ability and is exceptionally cheap.
Illuminating – +500 gp. Just get a light spell made permanent.
Prismatic Burst – +30,000 gp. Utterly ridiculous. This ability alone can – and does – justify not getting a +10 weapon. Simply ludicrous for crit-fishers.
Shadowstrike – +5,000 gp. Pretty cool; an extra 5 feet of reach is sometimes all you need. But it takes a swift action to activate, which is painful.
Sizing – +5,000 gp. It can be useful to add to a weapon after you've acquired a pair of strongarm bracers.
Slow Burst – +5,000 gp. At DC 14, an easy save to make – but slow is a nasty effect. If you’re getting prismatic burst, you may as well tack this on.
Vanishing – +8,000 gp. 1/day dimension door with a 60-foot range as a swift action (but only after a melee attack). Could be a nice utility, but don’t count on a 60-foot teleport to save you if you’re in trouble.


Jewelry


Throat:

Amber Amulet of Vermin – 500-1,200 gp. Once per day, summons a large or huge vermin for ten rounds. Very nifty and very cheap, though the vermin are relatively weak.
Amulet of Aquatic Salvation – 500 gp. Well worth the price. If you’re planning on underwater adventuring you’ll need something with a longer duration, but especially at lower levels this can be a lifesaver.
Amulet of Emergency Healing – 6,000 gp. 1d4+5 damage, even as an immediate action, isn’t going to be much help for long; as you level up, that amount becomes trivial. If an ally is reduced to something like -14 HP, then this amulet is an awesome thing to have; but you shouldn’t expect that will happen very often. This amulet can be either a lifesaver or a waste of money.
Amulet of Fortune Prevailing – 5,000 gp. I have said so before, and I will say so again: rerolls, especially on saving throws, are just about priceless. This one is just 5,000 gp, so if you’re high level there’s little excuse not to pick it up (especially given how devastating a high-level SoL can be). Do be aware, though, that you have to reroll before knowing whether you’ve succeeded or not.
Amulet of Inviolate Form – 11,000 gp. Automatically resist transformations or polymorphs (ie, baleful polymorph and the like. Sounds good to me.
Amulet of Second Chances – 40,000 gp. Redo an entire turn, once per day. A little pricey, but utterly incredible.
Amulet of Teamwork – 2,000 gp. +2 damage when flanking. Could be worth it if you have a regular flanking pal, like the party rogue.
Amulet of Tears – 2,300 gp. A handful of temporary hit points every day, as a swift action. The swift action is the dealbreaker – you’ll do far better by using a maneuver.
Amulet of Toxin Delay – 400 gp. Very situational, unless your DM particularly enjoys poison. The delay poison effect only lasts two rounds, and you have to be wearing it when you’re affected by the poison; that means you can’t just hold one in reserve. Not a good buy.
Badge of the Svirfneblin – 15,000 gp. The blur effect is useful, and the darkvision can be helpful, but it’s not worth 15k.
Brooch of Avoidance – 3,100 gp. Not terribly useful.
Brooch of Stability – 1,000 gp. Automatically become stable when reduced to -1 hit points or fewer. Can be a great help, though it shares the same problems the amulet of emergency healing has: the chances of being hit into the neat little window between -1 and -9 grow increasingly slimmer as damage increases.
Cat’s-Eye Brooch – 9,000 gp. +1 to saving throws is nice, but you have better ways to spend 9,000 gp.
Contact Medallion – 3,000 gp. A nice utility to have at hand, especially in situations where surreptitiousness is needed.
Eagle Claw Talisman – 1,000 gp. Deliver “ruinous strikes” against that vicious furniture. Just like eagles do, I guess?
Enduring Amulet – 1,500 gp. Useful for the permanent endure elements. You can use its charges to give yourself fire or cold resistance as an immediate action, which is handy.
Enemy Spirit Pouch – 2,100 gp. +1 attack against creatures of a specific type. Needless to say, not worth it.
Farspeaking Amulet – 6,000. One amulet lets your party speak with each other for three ten-minute segments a day, regardless of where you are (as long as you’re all on the same plane). Excellent if you get split up, as so often happens.
Fireflower – 13,000 gp. Continuous fire resist 10, with the ability to make yourself immune for up to one round every hour. If you’re going up against a load of fiery foes, it can help, though you may want to just have your mage spring for energy immunity.
Githborn Talisman – 1,800 gp. +2 to attack and damage rolls against aberrations, +4 if you’re a gith. If you know you’re going to be up against aberrations, it might be a good investment as it’s relatively cheap. Otherwise, it can be safely counted a waste.
Hand of the Oak Father – 5,000. Allows you to use a handful of druid utility spells, each once per day. Not explicitly for druids – you can definitely get some use from it – but pretty mediocre.
Heartseeking Amulet – 3,000. Thrice per day, make a melee attack as a melee touch attack. Touch attacks are horribly easy to make, which makes this wonderful. Because it takes a swift action to activate, essentially a 3/day Emerald Razor maneuver.
Medal of Gallantry – 1,350 gp. Utterly useless.
Necklace of Copper Dragon Scales – 570 gp. Acid resist 5 for an hour will do nothing to help you. Made even more insulting by the fact that, after six uses, it becomes useless.
Necklace of Warning – 4,000 gp. +2 to your flat-footed AC. Consider that you have Uncanny Dodge, and also that +2 AC does little.
Reins of Ascension – 3,300 gp. You’ll need to get a permanent method of flight eventually, so you’ll want to ditch it at some point. Until then, it’s quite useful.
Retributive Amulet – 9,000 gp. Thrice per day, reflect half of the melee damage dealt to you back on the attacker. Pure awesome when up against melee brutes, especially a power-attacking charger.
Safewing Emblem – 250 gp. Activates a feather fall effect if you fall, but only up to 180 feet. Shatters upon use. You probably don’t want to keep this on all the time.
Scarab of Invulnerability – 40,000 gp. Once per day, become immune to all forms of damage for one round. Expensive, but its effect is incredible.
Scarab of Stabilization – 20,000 gp. Identical to the brooch of stability, but if you are reduced to less than -9 hit points the amulet automatically brings you up to -1 and is destroyed. A literal lifesaver, though unavailable until the high levels due to its cost.
Scentblinder – 8,000 gp. There are far better ways to spend your gold.
Skull Plaque – 6,200 gp. 1/day death knell and detect undead. Little use.
Spellsink Scarab – 2,000 gp. Three daily charges used to reduce damage taken from spells or psionic powers. If a caster is using direct damage, chances are that either they’ll be so weak as to pose little threat, or it’ll be so much damage as to render this scarab trivial. Useful at low levels, though.
Torc of Displacement – 2,000 gp. Pretty neat for the price, especially since it takes an immediate action. You’ll probably want to get a cloak of displacement or another source of miss chance somewhere along the line, but a torc of displacement remains useful.
Torc of Heroic Sacrifice – 6,000 gp. Once per day, when an ally within 30 feet takes damage, you can choose to take that damage instead. It’s likely you’ll have the most hit points in your party, which makes this an excellent buy. The 30-foot range can occasionally be mildly limiting.
Torc of the Titans – 3,300 gp. Swift action to activate. I can guarantee that using a maneuver will always help you more than +5 damage will.
Unicorn Pendant – 6,000 gp. Not utterly useless, but not particularly useful, either.
Vampire Torc – 5,000 gp. Twice per day, heal damage equal to what you deal on your next melee attack. Swift action to activate, but the effect is pretty handy. Less useful if you’re a TWFer, though, as a single attack won’t mean much to you.

Chronocharms

Any number of chronocharms can be worn simultaneously. All chronocharms cost 500 gp.

Chronocharm of the Celestial Wanderer – Listen and Spot checks are not as crucial as saving throws or attack rolls, and you are not likely to be the ears or eyes of the party; nonetheless, a reroll is a reroll.
Chronocharm of the Fateweaver – Reroll a Balance, Climb, or Tumble check. Worth adding to your collection, if not stellar.
Chronocharm of the Grand Master – You’re always better off pursuing miss chances rather than AC boosts; also, ranged attacks become less used at higher levels. Nonetheless, it’s worth its price.
Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker – Move half your speed as a swift action. Nifty, though it sucks up a swift action.

Fingers:


Clothing


Head:

Face:

Torso:

Body:

Waist:

Shoulders:

Arms:

Hands:

Feet:


Tools


Consumables:

Utilities:

[Elfin]

Multiclassing: Half a Sword
Thanks to Essence_of_War, ShneekeytheLost, and Draz74

Barbarian

Unfortunately, it doesn't give you much you don't have already. Full BAB? Got it. D12 HD? Got that too. Hulk smash? No problem for ya. DR? You have Stone Dragon for that. Rage? Maneuvers are a much more effective way of increasing damage output.

In fact, there's only one real thing you can get from it. A single-level dip with the Spirit Lion Totem from Complete Champion lets you trade out the 10' speed bonus for Pounce. That means you don't need to wait to get Pouncing Strike, and can use it more frequently. Of course, since you've already got it, you may as well pick up Intimidating Rage and the skill trick Never Outnumbered for some battlefield control to go with your pounce. Other than that? Give this a pass.

Draz74 has a few additional points:

Eh, Whirling Frenzy is still pretty nice. Not worth it by itself, still, no. But if you're dipping for Pounce, I'd suggest taking Whirling Frenzy instead of Rage + Intimidating Rage.

A second Barbarian level is also pretty viable, if you use some other ACFs, since it doesn't lose you any Initiator levels. In particular, the Wolf Totem gives you Improved Trip instead of a redundant Uncanny Dodge. Of course, you have to ask your DM if he'll allow you to take Lion Spirit Totem from CChamp and Wolf Totem from UA.


Bard

Bards and Warblades go together like healbots and beatsticks. There's a feat that even makes this easier: Song of the White Raven. It lets your Bard levels and your Warblade levels stack for determining your level of Inspire Courage. There's been a lot of thought on how to maximize Inspire Courage, I suggest you look into it (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9830.0). While you are at it, look up Dragonfire Inspiration.

What you lose: Two initiator levels, 1 BAB, 2 maneuvers known, 1 maneuver readied, and Stance Mastery with a traditional 4Bard/16Warblade build

What you gain: Inspire Courage to give Morale bonuses to everyone's attack and damage, and because it is a Morale bonus, it should stack with just about everything else (other than another morale bonus, of course). Possible Dragonfire Inspiration to give a handful of d6's to everyone's damage rolls. Mind you, this includes yourself. Suddenly, you will find yourself being able to hit a lot more often, and doing a lot more damage per hit as well. And so does your allies. With Lingering Song, you can get both of them going simultaneously long enough to end the fight.

If you are considering being the 'party leader' who wants to help and support the party as a whole in a meaningful way, and already considering White Raven to do so, then this is definitely a very viable option for you.

Cleric

Cleric dips can be invaluable - and with Complete Champion's line of Devotion feats, a warblade can extract a noticeable benefit from cleric multiclassing.

The Dip:

For a primary warblade, we're here for one reason: the ability to Turn Undead and thus fuel Devotion feats. Anything more than a one- or two-level dip provides sharply diminishing returns. I like dipping Fighter 1/Cleric 1 to get the additional IL, a bonus feat, and Turn Undead in a simple package.

Domains:

Try to pick ones that give you an ability that isn't directed at full casting or keyed off of your cleric level. In core, Luck, Animal, and Travel are all fine. War is good if you're not planning to take a level in fighter.

Devotion feats:

This is the good stuff, and the reason you're dipping cleric. Devotion feats allow you to burn uses of Turn Undead to get extra uses of the feat's abilities. Your Charisma score is the chief factor in how many uses of Turn Undead you can use; you should thus choose your Devotion feat(s) and your Charisma stat with your methods in mind.


Crusader


If you're an AoO build, Crusader 2 can get Thicket of Blades. This alone is worth writing home about.

The crusader also earns 5 maneuvers known at 1st level. If you want to get some mid-level maneuvers from Devoted Spirit, White Raven, or Stone Dragon, and you've focused yourself into other areas, this can be a good choice. WRT is only 3rd level, and only requires a 1 maneuver pre-req, and the Stone Dragon school has a smattering of maneuvers that have no pre-reqs. If you're an elf who wants to become an Eternal Blade, but is mostly a Warblade, the crusader dip can help you pick up some Devoted Spirit pre-reqs.


Factotum


When multiclassing into factotum, a primary warblade has two obvious options available: a two-level dip or a more committed four-level one. Generally, factotum dips are best for warblades who already have a high Int, or for higher ECL characters who have ways of boosting their Int through items. Since you may already want to be boosting Int to increase the benefit gained from your "Battle" line of class features, this can be very profitable.

Two-level dip


What you gain:

- An Improved Reflex save.
- A cantrip (not big).
- 3 Inspiration Points per encounter.
- Cunning Insight - For 1 IP and no action, add your Int mod to any attack roll, save, or damage roll as a competence bonus.
- Cunning Knowledge - For 1 IP, get a +2 to any skill check.
- Trapfinding.
- A ton of extra skill points to spend on ANY(!!!) skill. Nice for helping to fill out party roles; UMD is especially valuable.

What you lose:

- 1 point of BAB.
- A few HP (d8 vs. d12).
- 1 IL.
- You'll probably miss 1 maneuver known and 1 maneuver retrain.
- You may also lose one or more warblade class abilities, depending on the level at which you take the dip. The viability of this depends heavily on your warblade's build.

Good level games for this dip:

ECL 3 - Lose out on Battle Ardor and Uncanny Dodge, but the factotum benefits should make you forget those.
ECL 5 - Factotum 2/warblade 3 works really well! You'll miss only the bonus feat.
ECL 9 - Miss a bonus feat, but keep Improved Uncanny Dodge and Battle Cunning.

Generally, this dip does best at low- and mid-levels. At higher ECLs you need to weigh any benefits of this dip against PrC benefits you may be missing out on.



Four-level dip:


What you gain:

- An improved Reflex save.
- 3 Inspiration Points per encounter.
- One or two first-level spells (very minor).
- Brains over Brawn - Add your Int modifier to all Str and Dex checks and any skill check keyed off of those skills. This could be extremely useful to a tripping or bull-rushing warblade; synergy with the Knockdown/Knockback feats is delightful.
- Cunning Strike - Gives minor sneak attack. By RAW, you can get 3d6 out of this once per encounter on a single attack. Fairly small.
- Cunning Defense - 1 IP grants you your Int mod as a dodge bonus to AC against an opponent until the beginning of your next turn. Once per turn per foe. Useful for boss fights, or against ranged touch attacks if you don't have Wall of Blades prep'd.
- Cunning Insight - For 1 IP and no action, add your Int mod to any attack roll, save, or damage roll as a competence bonus.
- Cunning Knowledge - For 1 IP, get +4 to any skill check.
- Trapfinding.
- A metric ton of extra skill points to spend on ANY(!!!) skill. Nice for helping to fill out party roles; UMD is especially valuable.

What you lose:
- 1 point of BAB.
- 2 IL.
- A handful of HP (d8 vs. d12).
- A point of Fort save.
- 2 maneuvers known, and 2 maneuver retrains (depending on what your warblade level is).
- Possibly a maneuver readied.
- Possibly a stance.
- You may also lose one or more warblade class abilities, depending on the level at which you take the dip. The viability of this depends heavily on your warblade's build.

Good level games for this dip:
ECL 5 - This is a fun one. You come in with a ton of skills and can go straight for the 2nd level maneuvers with your first warblade level.

Weigh other levels carefully against PrC entrance and long term benefit.


Gestalt


In a Gestalt game, a warblade//factotum can be a very powerful primary melee character. Keep an eye on the following levels:

Level 8 - You get Cunning Surge. This is fantastic, breaking the warblade's action economy wide open. You can initiate a maneuver and make a full attack, initiate two maneuvers, or do a maneuver and recovery! Talk with your DM about whether or not this is usable multiple times a round. Avoid flying DMGs. If you have an ECL 8+ Gestalt game, and you'd like to play a Warblade, strongly consider the factotum for nothing other than this ability.

If this is usable multiple times per round, you can take Font of Inspiration once (see below) to open every combat with WRT, Surge to recover maneuvers, Surge out WRT. Everyone in your party will thank you. Your DM will likely not. Even if you don't take Font, you can still use WRT, then on your next turn, recover maneuvers and surge out WRT!

Level 11 - Cunning Breach. Allows you to bypass SR/DR for 2 IP. This can be very broadly useful with your arcane dilettante ability (or use it to punch the hell out of golems).

Level 16 - Imrovedp Cunning Defense permanently gives you your Int mod as a dodge bonus to AC, though you have to be in light armor. That's a major downside if you aren't in a mithral breastplate or the equivalent. This can be much better if you're going for a more dextrous build to take advantage of TWFing.


Feats


Font of Inspiration - If it is allowed can be very tempting. Usually the warblade has better things to do with its feats, but you could make an exception based on a couple of possibilities. The only time I would feel strongly about this is at factotum 8.

If you're in a Gestalt game and trying to nab Cunning Surge, you'll have 5 IP at level 8. Cunning Surge costs 3 IP to use. Taking Font of Inspiration once gives you 6 IP total and 2 uses of this ability. As you don't normally get your 6th IP until Factotum 11, this can be very profitable.


Fighter


This is a great one, because depending on your build, fighter 1, 2, 4 or 6 can all appropriate jump-offs.

Fighter 1 gets you heavy armor, as well as all shields, and all of the usual ranged weapons. This is certainly worth considering. Fighter 2 and 6 have dungeoncrasher ACFs which combine VERY well with any large or powerful build race who is planning on doing some bullrushing.

I find myself proposing fighter 2 to most people, but the fact that you can get value out of fighter 1 + odd number of another useful class to maximize IL is a handy trick.


Monk


A two level monk dip gets you 3 bonus feats, and with the UA variants (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm), two of these could be just about any applicable feats to your build. I'm partial to the "overwhelming attack" line, particularly when I'm building a warblade who has powerful build or large size, but just about any warblade could make good use of Power Attack and Improved Bull Rush.

Notably, this also nabs you evasion, and if you're planning on using a mithril breastplate or lighter, this combines saucily with your 'action before thought' diamond mind maneuver.

The bonuses to base saves are also nothing to sneeze at.

It's also possible to get value out of monk 1 or monk 6, but I find neither of these to be as compelling as monk 2.


Paladin/Hexblade



Almost certainly Pal/Hex 2, but potentially Pal/Hex 4 or Hex 5.

Hexblade 3 is notably a fast way to get "mettle", an ability that could be very nice combined with your diamond mind save-replacements.

Both of the 2 level dips gets you cha to saves (situational for hexblade), both of the 4 level dips get you casting, and the pal 4 gets you turning. If your build needs any of them, it's good to know you can get them with full BAB and goodies to reward you if you have a high Cha. But since none of the warblade's class features are keyed off of charisma, this is worth mentioning if it's relevant, but not really worth writing home about to everyone.


Ranger


Ranger 2 gets free TWF. This is useful if you want to TWF, and you should know that you can probably argue THF+Armor Spikes works with this if you want a way to get another attack.


Samurai (OA)


Like the fighter, this guy has jump out points that are both even and odd. Samurai 1 gets Ancestral Daisho, easily worth a feat (Ancestral Relic from BoED), and Samurai 2 gets a bonus feat. It also offers two good saves. Not as flexible as the fighter, but not having to rely on magic item marts to boost your primary weapon is SAUCY.



Prestige Classes: Perfecting the Sword

Exotic Weapon Master


Good for no more than a one-level dip, only if you're using a one-handed exotic weapon in two hands. If you are, it's worth taking.

Just make sure you're OK with taking either Exotic Weapon Proficiency or playing a race, like a dwarf, who gets weapon familiarity with the waraxe.


Revenant Blade


Want to be a TWF warblade? Strongly consider this option, and take all five levels.

It's feat intensive, but the capstone is WAY worth it, and you end up netting more feats out than you take in.

I'll cross reference you to the appropriate handbook for more details. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872270/The_Revenant_Blade_Handbook)

[Elfin]

Sample Builds: Exemplars of the Sword

Blade of Corellon
Amphetryon



Crunch:

Snow Elf Warblade 7/Champion of Corellon Larethian 3/Eternal Blade 10.

STR 13 DEX 17 CON 14 INT 16 WIS 12 CHA 6; boost DEX.

Flaws: Murky-Eyed, Shaky

Feats: Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mounted Combat, Improved Weapon Familiarity, Weapon Focus (Elven Courtblade), Combat Reflexes, Improved Trip, Weapon Finesse, Unnerving Calm, Perfect Clarity of Mind and Body

Maneuvers: Moment of Perfect Mind, Douse the Flames, Wall of Blades, Insightful Strike, Iron Heart Surge, White Raven Tactics, Ruby Nightmare Blade, Rapid Counter, Moment of Alacrity, Avalanche of Blades, Diamond Nightmare Blade, Time Stands Still

Stances: Punishing Stance, Leading the Charge, Hearing the Air.

Description:

Party role is primarily that of tank; the required feats for CoCC give some valuable defensive boosts early-game that the 3 levels of CoCC emphasize for mid-game. With a heavy flail as a second weapon and Combat Reflexes/Improved Trip, it's at least adequate as a battlefield controller and against undead and such. If there's an equipment-related or site-related way to pick up Mounted Combat, it deserves serious consideration since it's largely unsupported otherwise. Get out in front and provide boosts to your allies while simultaneously dealing with the most dangerous melee threat possible. Hit based on DEX; damage based on DEX + INT + STR in general, or on up to 4x Concentration check a few times a day.

Heavy emphasis on Diamond Mind makes Concentration the skill to max out. 15 ranks in Tumble seems a minimum to improve mobility, max out Intimidate even with the CHA penalty, and pick up what Knowledges seem most appropriate to the campaign to compliment choices needed for PrCs; with the INT available this makes a decent secondary sage. Obviously, toss a point or two into the Ride skill for Mounted Combat. This might be easiest at 1st level, if you start with sufficient funds to have a mount, since your opponents will largely be accessible from horseback and the benefits of Mounted Combat are significant at low levels.

Major issue is that Flaws are required for the build to work; it's impossible to get sufficient Feats otherwise to get CoCC 3 and still finish out Eternal Blade pre-Epic.

Flick
Keld Denar

Flick, the Flaming Knife Flinger
Glimmerskin Strongheart Halfling Bardblade
Bard3/Warblade5/Master Thrower5/Warblade7
28 PB Str 12(10) Dex 16(18) Con 14 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 12
Putting level up points into Dex to increase +hit

Level/Feat Build

1 Bard1 [Dragonfire Inspiration] [Point Blank Shot] [Rapid Shot(flaw)] [Precise Shot (Flaw)]
2 Bard2
3 Bard3 [Song of the Heart]
4 Warblade1
5 Warblade2
6 Warblade3 [Song of the White Raven]
7 Warblade4
8 Warblade5 [Quick Draw]
9 Master Thrower1 [Two Weapon Fighting]
10 Master Thrower2
11 Master Thrower3
12 Master Thrower4 [Improved TWF]
13 Master Thrower5
14 Warblade6
15 Warblade7 [Greater TWF]
16 Warblade8
17 Warblade9 [Improved Initiative]
18 Warblade10 [Feat?]
19 Warblade11
20 Warblade12

Maneuver/Spell Progression

{table=Header]IL|Level|[Gain]|(Lose)|{Stance}
1|Bard1||||
1|Bard2|[Inspirational Boost]|||
1|Bard3|[Grease]|||
2|Warblade1|[Moment of Perfect Mind] [Wolf Fang Strike] [Sudden Leap]|| {Leading the Charge}
3|Warblade2|[Action Before Thought]||
4|Warblade3|[Tactical Strike]||
5|Warblade4|[Mind over Body]|(Wolf Fang Strike)|{Leaping Dragon Stance}
6|Warblade5|[White Raven Tactics]||
7|Master Thrower1|||
8|Master Thrower2|||
8|Master Thrower3|||
9|Master Thrower4|||
9|Master Thrower5|||
10|Warblade6|[Dancing Mongoose]|(Action Before Thought)||
11|Warblade7|[Moment of Alacrity]||
12|Warblade8|[Order Forged from Chaos]|(Tactical Strike)|
13|Warblade9|[Clarion Call]||
14|Warblade10|[Quicksilver Motion]|(Mind over Body)|{Press the Advantage}
15|Warblade11|[Raging Mongoose]||
16|Warblade12|[Diamond Defense]|(Moment of Perfect Mind)|
[/table]

Picking maneuvers was tough, since most of them require melee strikes. I REALLY wanted to draw heavily from Desert Wind, but all the boosts there specify melee only, whereas Tiger Claw boosts such as the Xing Mongooses don't. I really tried to avoid taking Strikes if possible, except to meet prereqs, since I'd rather use my high rate of fire on a full attack if possible.

Granted, would have a lot of weakness against foes with DR and fire immunity, but would be fun to play in a campaign mostly against humanoid foes. The high rate of attack between Rapid Shot, TWF, and Palm Throw would stack on the d6s pretty fast. At level 20, you'd have an Dragonfire Inspiration of:
+5 (level incuding Vest of Legends)
+1 Song of the Heart
+1 Inspirational Boost
+1 Badge of Valor
= +8d6 fire damage per hit

19/20 BAB results in 4 attacks +1 for Rapid Shot, +3 for TWF, +2 for Raging Mongoose, +1 Haste for 11 attacks, which Palm throw makes 22. 22 attacks for +8d6 each would net ~176d6 fire damage per round on a full attack every other round, with 144d6 every round in between (to regain Raging Mongoose). Maneuverability would be increase with Sudden Leap and Leaping Dragon Stance, replaced later with Press the Advantage and/or Quicksilver Motion at later levels. Unfortunately, I couldn't quite get the IL up high enough to get Time Stands Still, which would ABSOLUTELY destroy just about anything.

All in all, the build is pretty viable off the bat. Early on, you'll have a really low rate of fire, but you'll be a pretty good buffer with +1d6 fire at 1st level, +2d6 fire at 2nd, and +3d6 fire at 3rd. Low number of Bard songs per day could be an issue, but for continuous fighting, you could just maintain the same song over multiple encounters as long as you don't have to cast spells or chit chat. The build really comes into its own around level 8, when you have the Quickdraw to make multiple dagger tosses in a round. By then, your Inspire Courage is up to +5d6 (with Badge) and you are making 3 attacks/round or 4 with Haste. That's potentially 15-20d6 fire if all attacks hit. Level 9 is a huge step as well, bringing your number of attacks up to 4/round (or 5 with Haste), and level 13 brings Palm Throw into the equation. From there it's just silly.

Most cash can be spent on improving defenses once requisite bardic gear is purchased, since magical weaponry wouldn't be that advantageous. Something that grants flight would be idea to increase mobility and defenses. At higher levels, a casting of 2-3 Chained GMWs would give you enough magic daggers to last an encounter before you could reclaim them.


Tips and Tricks: A Sword Up Your Sleeve

Advice on Multiclassing
Essence_of_War

In general, you want to keep in mind two ideas when multiclassing:

The number '6' - take more than this many levels that don't directly boost your warblade IL and you lose access to 9th level maneuvers.
Even numbers - your IL increases with every even-numbered level in non-warblade boosting classes.


Some builds that I've found useful or illustrative:

Yes, it's that good. - Warblade 20
Crazed Dwarf Axe-wielder - Cleric 1/ Fighter 2/ Warblade 4/ Exotic Weapon Master 1/ Warblade 12
Need maneuvers? - Warblade 8/Crusader 2/ Eternal Blade 10
For the TWF - Ranger 2/ Fighter 1/Warblade 2/Revenant Blade 5/ Eternal Blade 10 (see Revenant Blade Handbook (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872270/The_Revenant_Blade_Handbook) for details)
For a melee combatant with a late-game arcane flair - Duskblade 2/ Paladin 2/ Warblade 2/ Suel Arcanamach 4/ Spellsword 1/ Abjurant Champion 5/ Warblade 3-6.



Useful Links: Polishing the Sword

The Armor and Weaponry Handbook
(http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12837.0)Bunko's Bargain Basement (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1002)
Generic PC's Warblade Handbook
(http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=4408.0)Person Man's Guide to Melee Combos (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127026)
Person Man's Guide to Optimizing Power Attack (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7165087)
Tome of Battle for Dummies (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=357.0)

[Darkfire]

Excellent: handbooks for the individual ToB classes are long overdue but then I guess people haven't felt that they were needed as it's difficult to produce an ineffective ToB character.

You may want to include a section on multi-classing and prestige classes or just reference the Tome of Battle for Dummies (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=357.0).

[Runestar]

What I like about martial adepts (and warblades by extension).

More efficient use of the action economy. A higher lv wizard can move, fire off a spell as a standard action, cast another swift action spell, and still use an immediate action in response to his opponent, such as abrupt jaunt or duelward.

Fighters move and attack. That's pretty much it.

Warblades can move, initiate a standard-action strike for respectable damage, mix a swift-action boost into this somewhere (say lightning recovery to reroll that missed hit) and still perform a counter (eg: moment of precise mind vs mind flayer's mindblast) when it is not his turn.

In the end, it boils down to options available. :smallbiggrin:

[Myth]

I approve of this. Looking forward to a complete build for the class with PrCs and maneuvers and good martial feats from PHBII, CC, CW, CS etc.

[Amphetryon]

Hooray, a Warblade Handbook.

This may just be my issue, but cyan coupled with the default spoiler background color is really hard to read...

[dsmiles]

Hooray, a Warblade Handbook...Ditto.

This may just be my issue, but cyan coupled with the default spoiler background color is really hard to read...Ditto. It is mindblowingly painful to look at.

[Saintheart]

The inevitable discussion on Iron Heart Surge will be most interesting, seeing as it's one of the big gimmes for the Warblade to counter magely tricks with.

As for page quotations ... I have heard, though I don't know how verifiable it is, that an actual inscription on an actual cavalryman's sword reads: "Draw me not in anger. Sheathe me not without honour." Might be nice. :)

In terms of feats and feat selections, about the only comments I could make are that the Moment Of X maneuvers from the Diamond Mind school tend to become less impressive as the levels go on, though for the first 5-9 levels or so they're just plain awesome ways to annoy the hell out of spellcasters.

Bravo, sir!

[Quietus]

Hooray, a Warblade Handbook.

This may just be my issue, but cyan coupled with the default spoiler background color is really hard to read...

Thirded. Why the use of so many colors? I belive the standard is four, or MAYBE five at most? "Not worth it", "Average", "Good", and "Exceptional, with the possible addition of "You're a moron to take this"?

[Grynning]

Most handbooks I've seen, especially those from the Wizard's community forums, follow the same color scheme and categories. The Cyan isn't that hard to see, and there's not any other color that would really work.

Anyways, following this with interest, Warblade is one of those classes I've always wanted to play but never had the chance to.

[dsmiles]

I'm getting the chance to play one. Well, sort of. It's a Large-sized Monk/Stone Dragon Warblade. The concept I have is more of a "charges into combat and then stays there (read: George Foreman)" type of fisticuffs fighter than a highly mobile "floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee (read: Muhammed Ali)" type. The classes work well together to that end.

[Callos_DeTerran]

As for page quotations ... I have heard, though I don't know how verifiable it is, that an actual inscription on an actual cavalryman's sword reads: "Draw me not in anger. Sheathe me not without honour." Might be nice. :)

Well for page quotations you can always use the one from the Paladin motivational poster...sure, it's meant for paladins but that doesn't mean it's not also applicable to the 'glory-hound' kind of warblade.

Blade with whom I have lived,
Blade with whom I now die,
Serve right and justice one last time,
Seek one last heart of evil,
Still one last heart of pain,
Cut well old friend,
Then farewell.

...Plus, you know, the whole 'masters of the sword' image of warblades and all that.

[MrRigger]

I'm also going to throw another vote in for changing away from the Cyan color. I was really straining to read it. Granted, I'm a fan of Warblades, and so I was able to figure it out easily enough, but it was pretty nasty. Also, having fewer colors might help. Figure red for stop, don't take this; yellow for slow down, probably not the best choice; green for go ahead, this is a good pick; and blue for the blue light special, get it as soon as possible.

MrRigger

[Boci]

I'm also going to throw another vote in for changing away from the Cyan color. I was really straining to read it. Granted, I'm a fan of Warblades, and so I was able to figure it out easily enough, but it was pretty nasty. Also, having fewer colors might help. Figure red for stop, don't take this; yellow for slow down, probably not the best choice; green for go ahead, this is a good pick; and blue for the blue light special, get it as soon as possible.

Thats not how handbooks are done though. I can see an argument for swapping Cyan for Gold (and just labeling any previous gold entries as compulsory in the description) but your suggestion is too different from the standard a lot of peopl are use to.

[Elfin]

Thanks for all the advice.

I've edited the reservation posts to provide a clearer overview of what I expect to add; I'm typing this on an iPhone right now, but as soon as I have access to my main computer I'll add the sections on abilities and races, as well as darknening the cyan color.
How about turquoise?

[Golden-Esque]

What I like about martial adepts (and warblades by extension).

More efficient use of the action economy. A higher lv wizard can move, fire off a spell as a standard action, cast another swift action spell, and still use an immediate action in response to his opponent, such as abrupt jaunt or duelward.

No he can't. Using an Immediate Action is essentially a Swift Action you can use at any time; it even says in the rules that if you make a Swift action during your turn, you can't make an Immediate Action until the start of your next turn and vice versa.



d20SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsincombat.htm#swiftActions)
Swift Actions
A swift action consumes a very small amount of time, but represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action. You can perform one swift action per turn without affecting your ability to perform other actions. In that regard, a swift action is like a free action. However, you can perform only a single swift action per turn, regardless of what other actions you take. You can take a swift action any time you would normally be allowed to take a free action. Swift actions usually involve spellcasting or the activation of magic items; many characters (especially those who don't cast spells) never have an opportunity to take a swift action.

Casting a quickened spell is a swift action. In addition, casting any spell with a casting time of 1 swift action is a swift action.

Casting a spell with a casting time of 1 swift action does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Immediate Actions
Much like a swift action, an immediate action consumes a very small amount of time, but represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action. However, unlike a swift action, an immediate action can be performed at any time — even if it's not your turn. Casting feather fall is an immediate action, since the spell can be cast at any time.

Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action, and counts as your swift action for that turn. You cannot use another immediate action or a swift action until after your next turn if you have used an immediate action when it is not currently your turn (effectively, using an immediate action before your turn is equivalent to using your swift action for the coming turn). You also cannot use an immediate action if you are flat-footed.


Warblades can move, initiate a standard-action strike for respectable damage, mix a swift-action boost into this somewhere (say lightning recovery to reroll that missed hit) and still perform a counter (eg: moment of precise mind vs mind flayer's mindblast) when it is not his turn.

Same as above. If you take that Swift Action to initiate a boost, you can't use a Counter or another Boost until the start of your next turn. Lets look at an Initiative Count for higher-level understanding!

Initiative Count
{table=head]Initiative | Creature
20 | Enemy 1
14 |Ally 1
13 | YOU
8 | Enemy 2
2 | Ally 2[/table]

Alright. Your initiative is 13. If, on your turn, you initiate a Boost maneuver (or use any other Swift action), you can't use an Immediate action until the initiative resets to 20. At this point, you can use an Immediate Action (i.e. a counter maneuver) during Enemy 1's turn or Ally 1's turn. However, if you use an Immediate Action before your turn starts in a given round, then you can't make an Immediate Action or a Swift Action for the remainder of the round. Using the example above, if you use a Counter Maneuver on Enemy 1's turn, you cannot use any more Counters for the remainder of the round and you cannot use a Boost Maneuver under the initiative count resets to 20 again, at which point you can either use another Counter Maneuver if need be or you can wait until your tun to use a Boost.

Naturally, this also applies to spellcasters who use Swift Actions and Immediate Actions with their spells. For example, you can't cast a Quickened Spell on the same round you cast a Feather Fall, because a Quickened Spell is a swift action and a Feather Fall is an immediate action.

Hope this helps :D.

[dsmiles]

Thanks for all the advice.

I've edited the reservation posts to provide a clearer overview of. What I expect to add; I'm typing this on an iPhone right now, but as soon as I have access to my main computer I'll add the sections on abilities and races, as well as darknening the cyan color.
How about turquoise?

Turquoise, eh? Let's see...
Turquoise
Cyan
Turquoise is less painful, a bit dim, but still legible, IMO. I'm good. Anyone else?

[Boci]

No he can't. Using an Immediate Action is essentially a Swift Action you can use at any time; it even says in the rules that if you make a Swift action during your turn, you can't make an Immediate Action until the start of your next turn and vice versa.

But you can initiate an immediate action as soon as your turn ends, even if you used a swift action on your turn.

[Grynning]

...very long post about swift and immediate actions...

Your post is well-intentioned, but incorrect. An immediate action uses your swift action for your next turn (the rules text you quoted says exactly that). You can still use one even if you used a swift action on your previous turn, but if you do, you lose your swift on your next one.


it even says in the rules that if you make a Swift action during your turn, you can't make an Immediate Action until the start of your next turn and vice versa.

No, it doesn't say that. The underlined portion of the SRD text you quoted at no point states that you can't use an immediate if you've used a swift on your turn. It says you can't use one if you've already taken another immediate action, and that you can't use both an immediate and a swift ON your turn, which is where I think the confusion lies.

[Greenish]

it even says in the rules that if you make a Swift action during your turn, you can't make an Immediate Action until the start of your next turn and vice versa.That's not what you just posted says.

If you use a swift action on your turn, you can use a counter after your turn, but then you can't use swift action on your next turn.


Initiative Count
{table=head]Initiative | Creature
20 | Enemy 1
14 |Ally 1
13 | YOU
8 | Enemy 2
2 | Ally 2[/table]

Alright. Your initiative is 13. If, on your turn, you initiate a Boost maneuver (or use any other Swift action), you can't use an Immediate action until the initiative resets to 20.Sure you can. If you use an Immediate Action before your own initiative count, you can't use swift actions on your turn, but you can use one after your turn is over (so in your table, you could use an Immediate Action during E1's turn, A1's turn or your own turn, and use another after your own turn).

However, if you use an Immediate Action before your turn starts in a given round, then you can't make an Immediate Action or a Swift Action for the remainder of the round.Round and Turn are not the same. Read the rules you posted.

[Edit]: Swordsage'd.

[JonRG]

Awesome. I was going to play a warblade until another player had the same idea. Good to know this will be here for when I get the chance to again.

Also, if I may be so bold, it would be easiest to just merge "Great" with "Fantastic" (using the lovely and easy to read gold color) and simply mark any must-haves as such.

[Elfin]

The reason I'd prefer to keep them separate is because gold options are meant to be those that are absolutely essential to a warblade or particular build: as an example, while Stance Mastery is awesome, you could could still function without it. On the other hand, without maneuvers you're no longer a warblade.
Feat-wise, let's compare Leap Attack and Shock Trooper on a charger build. Leap Attack is amazing, providing you with an enormous damage boost - and yet Shock Trooper is absolutely critical, essentially negating Power Attack's drawbacks.

[Draz74]

On the skill list, you missed Martial Lore. Also, I think you're shortchanging Intimidate; don't forget that ToB gives it a whole new use for Battles of Will at the beginning of combat. (And then there's the standard Imperious Command/Never Outnumbered/Fearsome armor awesomeness ...)

[Black_Zawisza]

How is Balance a key skill for Iron Heart and Stone Dragon? The term "balance check" isn't included in any of their maneuver/stance descriptions.

[Reynard]

How is Balance a key skill for Iron Heart and Stone Dragon? The term "balance check" isn't included in any of their maneuver/stance descriptions.

It be a fluff thing.

Idea: Have some of the people around here make Warblade-heavy builds to use as examples. Maybe show how they'll play at differing level marks (5, 10, 15, 20) to show the consistency of the class.

[Draz74]

How is Balance a key skill for Iron Heart and Stone Dragon? The term "balance check" isn't included in any of their maneuver/stance descriptions.

Well, each discipline has a "key skill" listed in a table. You're right, though, that it doesn't actually matter much for these two disciplines. (Mostly, it becomes a class skill if you take Martial Study for an Iron Heart or Stone Dragon maneuver. Which is irrelevant to the Warblade.)

I can't see why a Warblade would ever take more than 5 ranks of Balance.

[Reynard]

Well, each discipline has a "key skill" listed in a table. You're right, though, that it doesn't actually matter much for these two disciplines. (Mostly, it becomes a class skill if you take Martial Study for an Iron Heart or Stone Dragon maneuver. Which is irrelevant to the Warblade.)

I can't see why a Warblade would ever take more than 5 ranks of Balance.

Bloodstorm Blade. That's a good reason to take at least 8.

[Amphetryon]

Turquoise hurts my eyes less than Cyan. Thank you.

[Elfin]

You're actually right about the Balance thing. I'm changing it now, adding Martial Lore, boosting Intimidate, and adding some sample stat arrays for different point-buys.

[Runestar]

In terms of feats and feat selections, about the only comments I could make are that the Moment Of X maneuvers from the Diamond Mind school tend to become less impressive as the levels go on

How so? Your save improves only by +1 every 2 or 3 lvs (not factoring save boosting gear/abilities), but your concentration check gets +1 every lv, and it is all too easy to boost skill checks. At higher lvs, you may as well just say "I make my save".

[Elfin]

I'd tend to agree with Runestar. In my experience, the Moment of X maneuvers never stop losing their effectiveness, especially with the added bonus that you don't fail of a natural 1.

[Vortling]

It depends entire on whether or not your DM starts throwing no save spells at you or not.

[true_shinken]

What do you mean 'flanking doesn't happen all that often'? :smallconfused:

[Cieyrin]

Here's a quotation from somebody is likely a Warblade:

"I am the white void. I am the cold steel. I am the just sword. With blade in hand shall I reap the sins of this world, and cleanse it in the fires of destruction. I am Hakumen. The end has come." - Hakumen, BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger

Otherwise, I look forward to more pearls of wisdom as the handbook develops. :smallsmile:

[Warlawk]

How about these...

"A man who dies fighting with his principles intact dies in glory. To expect enemies to follow the same code of honor defiles that honor, reducing it to a set of arbitrary rules." Colbey Callistinson- The Renshai Chronicles

"Lo there do I see my Father. Lo there do I see my Mother, and my Sisters and my Brothers. Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. Lo they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla where the brave, they live forever." Buliwyf- 13th Warrior (Based on Eaters of the Dead by Micheal Crighton IIRC)

Keeping an eye on the handbook because Warblades are almost as awesome as Crusaders.

[boj0]

Thinking of some nifty warblade combos off the top of my head:

Time Stands Still/Avalanche of Blades + Stormguard Warrior = hitting touch AC is easier than most, more often than not; so you're building up a very nice damage bonus for next turn.

Time Stands Still + Island In Time + Sudden Recovery + Time Stands Still = An elf only combo, requiring the Eternal Blade PrC and the Sudden Recovery feat; however you are making four full attack actions in one turn. TWF for lulz; if you can add Girallion Windmill Flesh Rend or Dancing Mongoose, do it

Strike of Perfect Clarity + Finishing Move = SoPC is considered one of the weaker 9th level maneuvers, due to a lack of rider effects and relying on flat damage to disable an opponent; however don't forget that 100 damage forces a SoD, and 2d6+120 damage will knock down enough enemies that you should be able to set up extra damage with Finishing Move. Crude, but a nice one-two punch. Recover next turn to set it up again.

White Raven Tactics + Anything = Give yourself another turn. RAW legal, but expect a DMG to the head if you abuse the action economy too much.


Boots of Spring & Striding/Haste + Leaping Dragon + Coiled Spring + Feral Death Blow = Bonuses to speed and Jump checks, why speed? Because every 10ft past 30 nets you a +4 to jump checks, that's why. :smallcool:
EDIT: Removed Absolute Steel because it added an enhancement bonus to speed instead of a flat bonus, thus freeing up the required lv 20 ability, removing some maneuver prereqs and making this a lot easier to accomplish. Feral Death Blow is a full-round action, so you activate Coiled Spring the previous turn, getting the +30ft to speed without actually moving, then your next turn you initiate with the +12 to Jump (and +2 to AC)

[Dusk Eclipse]

I am not sure on coiled spring, but both Absolute Steel and Leaping Dragon are stances, so this is a capstone (for lack of a better word) combo, since you would need the double stance ability to do it, besides it is quite easy to archive massive jump bonus

[boj0]

I am not sure on coiled spring, but both Absolute Steel and Leaping Dragon are stances, so this is a capstone (for lack of a better word) combo, since you would need the double stance ability to do it, besides it is quite easy to archive massive jump bonus

Yes, this is a capstone ability; but it's still fun :smallbiggrin:

I'm not going for the end-all be-all jumplomancer :smallwink:this is just a simple way for the warblade to get these bonuses without gear or outside help. The part of coiled spring is just nice because you get the bonus to speed and can attack after making a double move (and I'm fairly sure you can use FDL for the attack).

[Dusk Eclipse]

Does it says attack action? because it is different than making a standard action attack (see spring attacks and manoeuvres)

[Swooper]

Sapphire Nightmare Blade - This one is good, but quickly loses steam. If you're playing in a low-level game, it might be a good choice; otherwise, skip it.
This manoeuvre actually deserves some more credit for a single detail you didn't mention: Unlike the other <gem> Nightmare Blade manoeuvres, this one makes the target flatfooted. I'm playing a rogue1/warblade5/factotum5, he uses SNB for great effect to set up sneak attacks (and with the Craven (http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Craven) feat and some inspiration points my sneak attacks are pretty nasty). A bit specific, but worth mentioning.

Otherwise, keep up the good work!

[Black_Zawisza]

Tip: Take a look at the skill tricks from Complete Scoundrel. There are a few of them that I absolutely love. If you've got a lot of skill points, pay 2 points for each of these abilities and you can:

Twisted Charge:
Prerequisite: Balance 5 ranks, Tumble 5 ranks
Make one direction change during a charge

Nimble Charge:
Prerequisite: Balance 5 ranks
Run or charge across difficult surface without Balance check

Extreme Leap:
Prerequisite: Jump 5 ranks
Horizontal jump of at least 10 feet allows 10 extra feet of movement that round

I really love the last one. Shock Trooper + Leap Attack, and then use this and take a five-foot step to prevent a full attack from enemies, and then charge again? Awesome.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Stone Dragon, in general, doesn't have a whole lot going for it in general, however Shards of Granite, the discipline feat, is actually really, really nice.

Ever had a problem with a critter that had DR 15/Magic *AND* Bludgeoning or DR /Good AND Cold Iron, and you were wielding a two-handed sword? Yea, this solves that problem. Easily. It doesn't matter what kind of DR you have, it is easily and swiftly ignored.

Even better, because you really aren't loosing anything you don't want to loose to do it anyways. Okay, you take a -5 on your attack rolls for Stone Power to do so. Fine. But you also get 10 temp hit points per turn, which *refresh* on the following round when you make an attack, which basically means you ignore the first 10 damage you receive every round. Combine this with DR, and you're pretty much ignoring anything that isn't throwing around a handful of dice.

Yanno... in addition to ignoring their DR.

If you are a two-weapon fighting dervish who has lots of hits, this needs to be on your character sheet, because otherwise DR saps the damage from every single attack you land. Even if you are a battlefield control spiked chain wielding tripper, your lower average damage demands that you at least make sure your opponent eats every last point of it.

Also, Clarion Call (feat) + At least one precision-based damage dealer = very unhappy BBEG. Flat D20 Intimidate check to declare opponent Flanked. This means rogues get sneak attacks. Yes, even if the BBEG has Improved Uncanny Dodge. They are granted the Status Effect: flanked, regardless of anyone else's ability to flank.

[Saph]

Tiger Claw:

Sudden Leap - Niice. This is an excellent mobility enhancer, and provides benefits well after most 1st-level maneuvers' have expired.
Wolf Fang Strike - Sounds good to me. Why not?

Something worth noting: Sudden Leap has a pre-req of 1 Tiger Claw maneuver, as do all the other Tiger Claw level 1 entries except Wolf Fang Strike.

This means that you HAVE to take Wolf Fang Strike if you want to take Tiger Claw maneuvers or stances from level 1 - you don't have any choice!

[Runestar]

This means that you HAVE to take Wolf Fang Strike if you want to take Tiger Claw maneuvers or stances from level 1 - you don't have any choice!

Or you could wait till 3rd lv, take one of the 2nd lv tiger claw strikes, then swap in sudden leap at 4th lv. :smallsmile:

Also, psionics seems like it could combo nicely, especially the ability to take 15 on concentration check with psi focus. :smallcool:

Some other little tricks that might be useful.

1) Steady concentration (races of stone) - take 10 on concentration checks.

2) Weapon supremacy (PHB2) - a pain to qualify for, but may be worth not having to worry about missing with your strikes ever again.

[Saph]

Or you could wait till 3rd lv, take one of the 2nd lv tiger claw strikes, then swap in sudden leap at 4th lv. :smallsmile:

That was why I said "from level 1". :smalltongue:

The approach you're suggesting can work, but I tend to find that I want to swap in a 2nd-level maneuver at level 4, not a 1st-level one like Sudden Leap.

[Amphetryon]

That was why I said "from level 1". :smalltongue:

The approach you're suggesting can work, but I tend to find that I want to swap in a 2nd-level maneuver at level 4, not a 1st-level one like Sudden Leap.
I agree in principle, but not specific. Sudden Leap is darned near vital for a Leap Attacking Warblade, IMO.

[Black_Zawisza]

I agree in principle, but not specific. Sudden Leap is darned near vital for a Leap Attacking Warblade, IMO.
Not if your DM allows WRT on self...:smallamused:

[Kyuu Himura]

To the guys arguing about Swift Actions, yes, you can boost and counter in the same turn, there's a Diamond Mind Stance for that (level 8, though) I think it's called Stance of Alacrity, that should get a mention somewhere.
Also, keep up the good work, I'd really like to see this handbook done :D

[Elfin]

Thanks again for the feedback. I'll definitely keep it in mind when writing up the next few sections, and I've adjusted Sapphire Nightmare Blade.

While I've quite a bit of experience with warblades, there is one thing I was never quite sure about - do stances count as maneuvers when it comes to prereqs? My group just settled on houseruling it, but RAW I'm not certain.

[Black_Zawisza]

Thanks again for the feedback. I'll definitely keep it in mind when writing up the next few sections, and I've adjusted Sapphire Nightmare Blade.

While I've quite a bit of experience with warblades, there is one thing I was never quite sure about - do stances count as maneuvers when it comes to prereqs? My group just settled on houseruling it, but RAW I'm not certain.
IIRC, yes, by RAW.

[Runestar]

Found this.

Warblade's handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=4408.0)

Not really complete, but may some interesting information you can consider or adapt. :smallsmile:

[Elfin]

Phew. That's what we ruled at our table.
By the way, added Core races. But don't worry; I'll put all the other races in their own spoiler. I'm also thinking about only putting in black options or higher in the rest of the races section, though, seeing as there are just so many.

What do you guys think?

[MrRigger]

That's probably not a bad idea. Though you might want to include some of the poorer race choices if they seem like they might be a trap.

MrRigger

[Elfin]

While I'm here, just another idea to bounce around: I've seen lots of people around here looking for help building warblades, so what if, at the end, I provided a few 'character packages', something akin to an expanded version of the starting packages offered in PHBII? I could provide maneuver/stance progressions, feat choices, a handful of potential races, etc, for a few builds - say, a charger, a TWFer, a tripper, something of that nature.

Anyway: how does such a thing sound?

[Hida Reju]

I think you should take another look at Weapon Aptitude.

This has a multitude of uses since for the cost of a bit of time you can apply any feat or ability that applies to a single weapon and swap it to a new one.

How about all of those weapon style feats in complete warrior? This really is a big one considering how effective they can be if a different weapon was used. Lightning Mace with another weapon sounds very tasty.

The exotic weapon proficiency that you mentioned is a lot more powerful since it works on effectively every exotic weapon ever printed now.

Also one of the main problems with the weapon focus and Weapon Spec line was that it limited you to a single weapon type forever. Now that does not have to be the case since you can become a master of any weapon with a few hours training.

[Elfin]

I'd argue that it's still just okay. While the Weapon Style feats are great, better still with Weapon Aptitude, reaching them still requires a heavy feat tax - most of those feats mediocre. And while being limited to one weapon is an issue with the Weapon Focus/Spec lines, I think a more major one is that small, static bonuses to attack and damage simply don't compare with what you could get if you spent those feat slots otherwise.

[Runestar]

I've seen lots of people around here looking for help building warblades, so what if, at the end, I provided a few 'character packages', something akin to an expanded version of the starting packages offered in PHBII?

Love the idea. It could also serve to showcase the versatility of the warblade.

Maybe 1st could be a warblade which has taken the weapon focus feat tree?:smalltongue:


I think a more major one is that small, static bonuses to attack and damage simply don't compare with what you could get if you spent those feat slots otherwise.

Actually, I feel that all these small bonuses are all the more meaningful in the hands of a martial adept.

One difference they have over a fighter is that if you build them around their standard action strikes, combat will typically involve 1 attack each round. Either you hit for a ton of damage, or you miss and don't deal anything. Compared to a fighter who can make 4-6 attacks each round. Assuming you hit with at least 1 attack, you should be doing at least a bit of damage each round.

This makes hitting (and by extension, all those attack bonuses) all the more crucial. Granted, the attack bonus from weapon spec/mastery isn't so attractive when you are limited to 1 attack/round (compared to a fighter's 4-6).

At least for me, I am willing to invest at least 3 feats to acquire melee weapon mastery, and maybe eventually work my way up to weapon supremacy. :smallsmile:

[Elfin]

I suppose that's true, actually, that the feats are more effective in the hands of a martial adept than most. Unfortunately, Weapon Supremacy isn't available to a pure warblade until level 21,but it's something to aim for.

[Runestar]

Unfortunately, Weapon Supremacy isn't available to a pure warblade until level 21,but it's something to aim for.
There's always the heroics spell...:smallbiggrin: but you will still have to be lv20...

[Black_Zawisza]

Tip: Take a look at the skill tricks from Complete Scoundrel. There are a few of them that I absolutely love. If you've got a lot of skill points, pay 2 points for each of these abilities and you can:

Twisted Charge:
Prerequisite: Balance 5 ranks, Tumble 5 ranks
Make one direction change during a charge

Nimble Charge:
Prerequisite: Balance 5 ranks
Run or charge across difficult surface without Balance check

Extreme Leap:
Prerequisite: Jump 5 ranks
Horizontal jump of at least 10 feet allows 10 extra feet of movement that round

I really love the last one. Shock Trooper + Leap Attack, and then use this and take a five-foot step to prevent a full attack from enemies, and then charge again? Awesome.
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but the extra 10 feet count as free movement, right? Could you do the above: jump-charge, and then use Extreme Leap in the same turn?

[Swooper]

Aaah, you seem to be misunderstanding my point about Sapphire Nightmare Blade. The target becomes flatfooted only against your attack, meaning SNB is only better if you have a source of sneak attack yourself, probably from multiclassing.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but the extra 10 feet count as free movement, right? Could you do the above: jump-charge, and then use Extreme Leap in the same turn?
The actual text is: "If you make a horizontal jump of at least 10 feet during your turn, you can spend a swift action to move an additional 10 feet on that turn", so yes, assuming you didn't use your swift action for something else. Also note that this movement provokes an AoO from the guy you just charged, unless you can pull off a full-speed tumble somehow.

[Elfin]

Aaah, you seem to be misunderstanding my point about Sapphire Nightmare Blade. The target becomes flatfooted only against your attack, meaning SNB is only better if you have a source of sneak attack yourself, probably from multiclassing.


*Facepalm*

Oops. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Reynard]

*Facepalm*

Oops. Thanks for pointing that out.

Makes SNB an excellent choice for Rogues, though.

And, not that I'm complaining, but I suggested putting in some sample builds a couple of days ago. :smalltongue:

[Elfin]

Working on the sample builds right now, I'm a bit stumped on how I should approach ability scores and Flaws/Traits. I considered just giving 32 PB, but decided that was too narrow; on the other hand, leaving it open means a lot of extra work when it comes to skills and such. Right now I'm leaning towards 32 PB and just saying 'adjust as necessary'. As for the Flaws/Traits, I think I'll include two and one, respectively, but make the feats gained from Flaws easily left out ones.
How does that sound?

[Swooper]

Should the sample builds really come next? Feels like adding a roof before all the walls are up yet.

[Elfin]

You're absolutely right; I don't plan to actually post them until the very end, but I thought I'd just decide the format and write up some preliminary sketches.

[Hida Reju]

Iaijutsu Focus works real well with SNB. Since with quick Draw you can draw and attack in a single round and use SNB to get the extra damage dice.

[Swooper]

Iaijutsu Focus works real well with SNB. Since with quick Draw you can draw and attack in a single round and use SNB to get the extra damage dice.
To be fair, you can draw and attack in a single round without Quick Draw. You just have to do it as part of your move action. The move action you, incidentally, used to sheathe your sword. :smallamused:

[Glimbur]

Blade with whom I have lived,
Blade with whom I now die,
Serve right and justice one last time,
Seek one last heart of evil,
Still one last heart of pain,
Cut well old friend,
Then farewell.

That's originally from Flight of Dragons (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083951/), and it's said by someone who is basically a paladin. Or maybe a LG Knight.

I'd also recommend "Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people." from the Scout in Team Fortress 2.

[Siosilvar]

To be fair, you can draw and attack in a single round without Quick Draw. You just have to do it as part of your move action. The move action you, incidentally, used to sheathe your sword. :smallamused:

"a free action combined with a regular move" does not mean what you think it means.

[Elfin]

Thanks for all the quote suggestions. Perhaps at the end I can see if we can blackmail the mods into putting up a poll...:smalltongue:

Anyway, warblade bonus feats are up. Core feats shortly to follow.

[Swooper]

"a free action combined with a regular move" does not mean what you think it means.
Bah. Touché. I'm pretty sure I've always been playing it as "any move action". :smallfrown:

[Elfin]

Core feats are up. I'm interested what people think, as I'm not quite sure I rated everything appropriately.

[Grynning]

You may want to revise archery feats to be purple, as the Eternal Blade archer is considered a very good build (as archery builds go at least). Eldariel (who I think came up with it) lays it out as "Ranger 2/Fighter 1/Barbarian 1/Warblade 6/Eternal Blade 10: For Dancing Mongoose/Raging Mongoose/Time Stands Still Multi-Attack Mayhem"

[Elfin]

Oh, right, Eternal Blade archers. Thank you for the reminder.
Edited that in.

[Runestar]

Spring Attack - Rather underwhelming. But it's better for you than most, since you can still make a strike. Nonetheless, with Dodge and Mobility as prereqs it's pretty awful.

This is incorrect. A strike is a standard action, while spring attack only lets you make an attack action in between moving. Flyby attack would work though, if your warblade could somehow access flight.

[Saph]

Core feats are up. I'm interested what people think, as I'm not quite sure I rated everything appropriately.

Minor nitpicks:

- Extra AoOs with Combat Reflexes are based off Dex rather than Int.
- Stone Power needs a rating (I'm guessing blue, it's pretty good).
- I'd personally rate Weapon Focus/Weapon Specialisation as black, providing that you're getting them as pre-reqs for Weapon Mastery. A permanent +3/+4 to attack and damage isn't very interesting, but it's powerful.
- I'd rate TWF at only black, too, but that may just be personal preference - I think Swordsages are much better TWFers than Warblades, due to boosts like Burning Blade giving extra damage on a per-hit basis. Most good Warblade strikes are single-attack, which makes TWFing less effective.

But these aren't a big deal, keep up the good work. :)

[Runestar]

10 temp hp from stone power doesn't seem very significant to me, though you are going to have to take it if you want shards of granite (which against dr you cannot overcome, more than offsets the loss of damage from power attack).

[Saph]

Stone Power is better for Crusaders than Warblades, but there are a few handy tricks you can do with it.

A big one: Stone Power activates whenever you make an attack. Not an attack in combat, just an attack.

[Greenish]

Flyby attack would work though, if your warblade could somehow access flight.Swim-by Attack would work too. Swim speed is easier to get. :smallwink:

[Boci]

- Stone Power needs a rating (I'm guessing blue, it's pretty good).

I'd say it goes from blue at lower levels, to black at mid levels, to purple at higher levels, so if the game is going to be long you might want to check that your DM is okay with retraining before taking it, and think twice about it if the game has a high starting level.


- I'd rate TWF at only black, too, but that may just be personal preference - I think Swordsages are much better TWFers than Warblades, due to boosts like Burning Blade giving extra damage on a per-hit basis. Most good Warblade strikes are single-attack, which makes TWFing less effective.

Agreed, despite the claim Tiger Claw boosts are just as useful for TH fighters, although TWF synergy with Combat Rhythm should be noted.


Swim-by Attack would work too. Swim speed is easier to get. :smallwink:

Now I am going to make a wizard and warblade pair of NPCs who combine water summoning and controlling spells with swim-by attack.

[bartman]

A big one: Stone Power activates whenever you make an attack. Not an attack in combat, just an attack.

If I read this right, then you can just swing your sword whenever you want to gain +10 temp hp for a round.
While it is not very powerful, I know for a fact every DM in my group would throw a DMG at me if I pulled this one, be aware if you do try it.

[Swooper]

Agreed, despite the claim Tiger Claw boosts are just as useful for TH fighters, although TWF synergy with Combat Rhythm should be noted.
I'll agree with this - A Stormguard Warrior build makes TWF pretty damn good (especially if you're combining it with a couple of other tricks to spam up your to hit/damage bonuses, like Robilar's Gambit and/or Karmic Strike).

[Elfin]

As always, thanks for the input. I've made some edits, accordingly.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Improved Sunder - It's a prereq for Robilar's Gambit, which is the real reason you take this one. Still, you can use it to smash swords, spill potions, or sunder the BBEG's spell component pouch. Plus, you never know when you'll run into any hydras.


Don't you mean Shock Trooper? Robilar's Gambit pre-requs are BAB +12 and Combat Reflexes.

[Boci]

Don't you mean Shock Trooper? Robilar's Gambit pre-requs are BAB +12 and Combat Reflexes.

Actually its improved sunder for combat brute and improved bullrush for shock trooper.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Actually its improved sunder for combat brute and improved bullrush for shock trooper.

:smallredface: That is what happens when I only check one of the feats I am talking about.

[Elfin]

And when I check none.

[Draz74]

On the whole, I think the versatility of the Warblade class is being quite overlooked. If you want to make an unarmed combatant, or a Weapon Finesse-swashbuckling type, or especially a shield-bashing specialist, Warblade is about the best base class you could start with. (Swordsage might be marginally better for the unarmed one, but even that's debatable, and Warblade is certainly a better choice than e.g. Fighter or Monk.)

[Runestar]

If you want to make an unarmed combatant, or a Weapon Finesse-swashbuckling type, or especially a shield-bashing specialist, Warblade is about the best base class you could start with.

That's also because a warblade isn't as dependent on his weapon for dps as a fighter. When the bulk of your damage comes from maneuvers, you find that giving up a few points of damage for "style" isn't as crippling (eg: wielding a rapier over a greatsword because it suits your theme better).

That said, does anyone have a saved copy of that old dnd thread about replicating real-life fighting styles with ToB maneuvers? I feel it would be very useful here, but has apparently been purged from gleemax. :smallannoyed:

[Elfin]

Right, I'm back home - I was away for the last few days - and since I'm back with my books, there will hopefully be fewer 'technical errors'.

And Draz, that's a fair point; what do you suggest I add to remedy it?

[ShneekeyTheLost]

A point of note about Halfling Warblades...

It's not as bad as you might think. The Str penalty equates to a -1 damage. The size modifier does about the same thing. In the long run, it doesn't hurt as much as you might think it does.

If you go with Halfling, you'll need to build specifically for this task. There's a couple of ways to do this:

1) Dip Swordsage or blow a couple of feats to get a Shadow Hand stance. Then take the feat Shadow Blade, and make sure you can make it appear as though it was a shadow hand weapon (spiked chains, by the way, are shadow hand weapons). Replaces Str with Dex for Damage. Weapon Finesse to use Dex to attack. Str is now a dump stat, but rather feat intensive.

2) Bloodstorm Blade/Master Thrower. Seriously, two points of damage isn't going to be hurting you here, and you can do an awful lot of havoc to someone who is bigger than you, so being small is an asset rather than a disadvantage.

Also, as a Halfling, you can pick up Confound The Big Folk for more obnoxiousness.

[Elfin]

I've edited it in.
2nd-level maneuvers and 1st/2nd level stances should be up by tonight.

Also: Wow. Shneekey posted in my thread. I'm honored.

[Endarire]

I rate Improved Initiative as a must-have. You should have this by level 3 at latest.

Expect casters to optimize their initiative, and going first means you get a turn. That's my experience.

Half-Elf: Almost the entire reason for this is to qualify for Eternal Blade at 10 with no CON penalty. (Alternatively, be a Dragonborn Elf.)

Proof (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/races.htm#halfElves): "Elven Blood: For all effects related to race, a half-elf is considered an elf."

[Amphetryon]

Half-Elf: Almost the entire reason for this is to qualify for Eternal Blade at 10 with no CON penalty. (Alternatively, be a Dragonborn Elf.)
Snow Elf and Painted Elf are the other options in FR. Obviously, for a Warblade, you'll want the one without an INT penalty, as well.

[dgnslyr]

Arctic Fire Elves are great, with +2 Int, +2 Dex, -4 Cha. The Arctic template is on Crystal Keep under 3.0, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, strange background implications...

[Elfin]

Elf-wise, the best choice for a Warblade are without a doubt Snow Elves. Cha penalty for a Dex boost. But that's a good point about half-elves.

Edit: dragonborn elf warblade? Might have to play that sometime.

[Noodles2375]

This is great so far!:smallsmile:

Technically "Knockdown" is a core feat also.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineAbilitiesFeats.htm

It is a great combo with warblade manuvers. Lets you set up battlefield control while dealing heavy damage!

Additionally:
Combat Reflexes + Imp. Trip + Knockdown + Exotic Weapon Prof is a very nice set of passive feats to give a warblade. Now he can freely wade into combat using manuvers, with a two-handed weapon like a spiked chain, it is likely that all AoO's people provoke will result in trip attempts, AND all maneuvers he initiates should result in a trip attempt also!

This can be great with mage-slayer also. If you start your round adjacent to a spell caster, they have to either withdraw, or provoke an AoO which will result in them being tripped. With sweet movement maneuvers like sudden leap, quicksilver motion, and bounding assault, getting close to casters can be very straightforward.

[true_shinken]

Arctic Fire Elves are great, with +2 Int, +2 Dex, -4 Cha. The Arctic template is on Crystal Keep under 3.0, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, strange background implications...

Wait, what?

[Darrin]

Wait, what?

Racial templates (Dragon #306, same source as Magic-Blooded, LA +0) can be added to any base race... including Fire Elves that migrated into an arctic environment. Actually, if you're just looking for an Int bonus without a Con penalty, Arctic Grey Elves work just as well, but Arctic Fire Elves are funnier.

Arctic template: Con +2, Cha -2, +1/-1 saves vs. fire/cold effects, +2 on Wilderness Lore (Survival) checks, and ray of frost 1/day if you have any other racial SLAs. Add Dragonblood of Bahumat for Con +2, Dex -2.

You can also pair up Artic + Dragonblood on a Mongrelfolk for a +8 Constitution bonus at ECL 1. Not a bad start for a Diamond Mind/Concentration-based Warblade. Also a great start for a Dragonfire Adept.

[Boci]

Wait, what?

He was born in the artic but hated the cold so he underwent genetic experimentation to become a fire elf. It makes perfect sense, how dare you accuse me of trying to cover my powergaming with a poorly thought out and unlikely background story!

[true_shinken]

He was born in the artic but hated the cold so he underwent genetic experimentation to become a fire elf. It makes perfect sense, how dare you accuse me of trying to cover my powergaming with a poorly thought out and unlikely background story!

I'm sorry, sir. ^^
I'm guessing you'll multiclass into Lightning Warrior as well? That will be a nerf, of course, but think of the flavor!

[Elfin]

Many apologies for the inactivity! Due to personal commitments and other such stuff, I'm going to have to put this on hiatus until Friday.
Thanks for bearing with me.

[dgnslyr]

Long ago, his tribe of elves were Fire Elves, who danced in the embers of the Volcanic Range. However, a chilling cold descended upon the land, silencing the songs of the burning mountains and engulfing the earth in frost. Whether by magic or by nature, the cause is unknown. While his tribe has long since adapted to the harsh cold of their reality, the elders tell tales of the days when the air was warm and the flaming peaks sang their sorrowful song.

While they realize dwelling upon the changes that time has brought upon them is futile, many youngsters dream of the warm land the elders speak of so often, and young elves often leave the village in search of adventure and a land not unlike the land they lost. Few return from their journeys, but whether by choice or by force, it is not known.
Not bad, eh?

[Swooper]

On the subject of Arctic Fire Elves... I'm not seeing the part where either Arctic or Fire is a template. Arctic Elf is a subrace, and Fire Elf is another subrace the way I'm reading it. So you can't be an Arctic Fire Elf any more than you can be a Grey Wood Elf. Or can anyone correct this with a RAW citation? :smallconfused:

[true_shinken]

On the subject of Arctic Fire Elves... I'm not seeing the part where either Arctic or Fire is a template. Arctic Elf is a subrace, and Fire Elf is another subrace the way I'm reading it. So you can't be an Arctic Fire Elf any more than you can be a Grey Wood Elf. Or can anyone correct this with a RAW citation? :smallconfused:

Arctic is a template from Dragon Magazine.

[MammonAzrael]

Wow, this is looking great! I want to thank you for putting this together, and I wish you all the luck in your personal commitments.

Getting a true handbook together for a martial adept...that's something that's been needed for a long time now.

[Saintheart]

Looking good.

One brief note if it hasn't already been put on choices of race: if you're playing in the Forgotten Realms (or have a broadminded DM) and you're interested in playing Halfling, consider the Strongheart Halfling. Yes, you lose the racial +1 to all saving throws, but if you're taking the "Moment of X" series of maneuvers a piddling +1 racial bonus pales in comparison to keying your saves off Concentration checks.

The main reason for Strongheart Halfling, though, is the benefit of trading off the +1 racial bonus to saves: an extra feat. Chosen wisely a good feat will scale a lot better than a +1 to a saving throw. In a way, this is being a Small-sized human (on attack rolls: the -1 net loss from the STR penalty is balanced out by the Halfling's +1 Size bonus to attack rolls). It helps feat-expensive shenanigans if you're going down the Confound the Big Folk route.

On the "Confound the Big Folk" route, consider this low-fat cheese for its prerequisite feat, Underfoot Combat: if you're on a mount which is Large size, you are two size categories smaller than your mount and arguably are occupying the same square as your mount. Therefore soft cover -- +4 to AC -- applies anytime you're sitting on your mount's back. Underfoot Combat does not on RAW require you to move into an opponent's space first.

Another thought, though I haven't checked it: IIRC Powerful Build allows a character to be considered Large for most purposes. So be a Small Warblade and walk around under the party Goliath's crotch in combat, thereby drawing +4 to your AC for being under ... er ... well, you get the picture.

[Optimator]

Deep Impact + Power Attack + Diamond Nightmare Blade is a fun, if gimmicky, high-level feat combo. Add in Instant Clarity and Psychic Renewal and go to town. A two-level Psychic Warrior dip can be really cool for Warblades. A four level dip gets you Hustle (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/hustle.htm) and 3 first level powers, like Expansion, Force Screen or Grip of Iron for instance. Add in Psionic Meditation and get slap-happy with your foci. A build like that still leaves you with an IL of 18, every Warblade class ability except Dual Stance (which is so hawt), and 4 stances at level 20. Takes a small investment like a wisdom item or Cognizance Crystals to have some decent PP. Not a perfect build but I think it's fun and potentially flavorful.

Also, another cool combo which has been, for the most part, mentioned already is combining Robilar's Gambit and Battle Mastery on a high-Int Warblade for the bonus on the AoOs. And yeah, forgoing the attacks using the Channel the Storm part of Stormguard Warrior is stupid good, especially when followed by a Raging Mongoose-boosted Time Stands Still.

[Greenish]

Another thought, though I haven't checked it: IIRC Powerful Build allows a character to be considered Large for most purposes.Powerful Build allows you to be counted as one size larger than you are for opposed rolls, when it is advantageous to you.

[Cieyrin]

Powerful Build allows you to be counted as one size larger than you are for opposed rolls, when it is advantageous to you.

It can still work, the Goliath just has to be a Mountain Rager. :smallbiggrin:

[FelixG]

Love this! keep up the awesome work!

[Elfin]

Second level maneuvers are up. Stances will be up in a half hour or so.

[Saph]

Nice.

My personal favourite use of Wall of Blades is to use it against touch and ranged touch spells, which generally have a much lower bonus than melee attacks. Plus, deflecting rays with your sword is awesome. :smallbiggrin:

[Elfin]

Stances will be up in a half hour or so.

Okay. I lied.
1st level stances are posted.

[Hawk7915]

Excellent handbook! One comment from your recent updates...I feel like you are overselling Action before Thought. Warblades get precious few maneuvers known or readied and with their Battle Reflexes, Warblades tend to have "acceptable" Reflex under all but the lowest of point buys (elite array, for example). In addition, most reflex saves aren't the "save or lose" that fortitude and will saves can be. Eating a Fireball is bad, certainly, but eating a Suggestion or Confusion or Finger of Death is so, so much worse.

What it comes down to is that I feel it should just be Good instead of Great; like Disarming Strike or Tactical Strike, it's a solid choice that comes up short in comparison to the rest of a Warblade's arsenal unless you're in a campaign with a ton of reflex-save attacks being tossed around and/or you are cross-classed to have Evasion and/or you have a low stat array and couldn't afford 12s or 14s on Int and Dex. Or at least a mention that if a player has to "pick" between these maneuvers and the other 2nd (and 1st, and 3rd) level options, Action before Thought places way behind.

Of course, that's all just personal opinion after one campaign with a Warblade, so take it with a grain of salt. Fantastic work, can't wait for the rest :smallbiggrin:

[Elfin]

I felt the same way myself, actually, and since someone else agrees I think I will change it.

[Halae]

Thanks for posting this! I just picked up ToB for the first time and had no idea where to go. I saw that the warblade was the closest comparison to a fighter, and decided to run with it, but didn't know much of where to go. this helps greatly! thanks!

[Elfin]

Very glad you find it useful. :smallsmile:

[ShneekeyTheLost]

You may also wish to give a nod to the 'bardblade', which is a surprisingly effective commander.

Basically, you go with Bard4 then Warblade the rest of the way. This lets you pick up 2nd level maneuvers and stances with your first level of Warblade. More importantly, you work on focusing on improving your Inspire Courage, possibly with Dragonfire Inspiration thrown in. This synergies awesomely when you use White Raven Song so Bard and Warblade levels stack for Inspire Courage, and gives you yet another thing you do for the whole group as a White Raven commander-type build. And it effectively doesn't cost you anything to do, when it comes right down to it. Certainly not anything worth something like a +10 on attack and damage and +10d6 sonic damage on every hit.

Also, there are three discipline-based tactical feats worth taking, for various reasons:

1) Clarion Commander. If you have any Rogues in the party, they will love you. With a flat DC20 Intimidate check, you turn on their sneak attacks with no further requirements. Pile On also has it's uses, since you get your attack back anyways.

2) Shards of Granite. Take a -5 on attacks. This gives you 10 temp hit points from Stone Power, so you are ignoring the first 10 damage every round, before any other considerations, since it is refreshed every round. Now you ignore all DR or Hardness. Yea, that DR 15/Magic *AND* Bludgeoning that Litches have? No problem. DR Cold Iron *AND* Good that high-end evil outsiders have? Not a problem anymore. DR 15/EPIC that the Tarrasque has? Completely ignored. For any TWF-based build, this is practically a prerequisite.

3) Stormguard Warrior. This one takes the form of a one-two punch, and is best used against opponents with a lot of AC and a lot of hit points. Basically, your first turn, you use it to get a bunch of damage bonuses on every attack on the following turn. Then you combo with something like Karmic Strike so that every swing he hits you with also provokes an Attack of Opportunity, which you graciously decline in favor of even more attack and damage bonuses the following round. Then you unleash the storm, with +WTFBBQ to attack, and +ZOMGWTFBBQ to damage (You can easily rack up +100 or more damage per hit from this combo, with at least a +20 to attack, if you do it right and he is stupid enough to full-attack you). Obviously, it's a lot simpler to dispatch him in the first round. However, if you are waiting for the round of debuffs to land on him first, it's a great way to make sure he never gets to round 3.

[Elfin]

Thanks for the input; I'll definitely put the bardblade in the multiclassing section. Do you want to provide a more detailed outline I can attribute to you?

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Thanks for the input; I'll definitely put the bardblade in the multiclassing section. Do you want to provide a more detailed outline I can attribute to you?

Bard: Bards and Warblades go together like healbots and beatsticks. There's a feat that even makes this easier: White Raven Song. It lets your Bard levels and your Warblade levels stack for determining your level of Inspire Courage. There's been a lot of thought on how to maximize Inspire Courage, I suggest you look into it (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9830.0). While you are at it, look up Dragonfire Inspiration.

What you loose: Two initiator levels, 1 BAB, 2 maneuvers known, 1 maneuver readied, and Stance Mastery with a traditional 4Bard/16Warblade build

What you gain: Inspire Courage to give Morale bonuses to everyone's attack and damage, and because it is a Morale bonus, it should stack with just about everything else (other than another morale bonus, of course). Possible Dragonfire Inspiration to give a handful of d6's to everyone's damage rolls. Mind you, this includes yourself. Suddenly, you will find yourself being able to hit a lot more often, and doing a lot more damage per hit as well. And so does your allies. With Lingering Song, you can get both of them going simultaneously long enough to end the fight.

If you are considering being the 'party leader' who wants to help and support the party as a whole in a meaningful way, and already considering White Raven to do so, then this is definitely a very viable option for you.

While we're at it, let's get the Barbarian out of the way as well...

Barbarian: Unfortunately, it doesn't give you much you don't have already. Full BAB? Got it. D12 HD? Got that too. Hulk smash? No problem for ya. DR? You have Stone Dragon for that. Rage? Maneuvers are a much more effective way of increasing damage output.

In fact, there's only one real thing you can get from it. A single-level dip with the Spirit Lion Totem from Complete Champion lets you trade out the 10' speed bonus for Pounce. That means you don't need to wait to get Pouncing Strike, and can use it more frequently. Of course, since you've already got it, you may as well pick up Intimidating Rage and the skill trick Never Outnumbered for some battlefield control to go with your pounce. Other than that? Give this a pass.

[Draz74]

Claw at the Moon is awesome for characters who multiclass into Warblade at later levels. A Jump check that will beat AC is not hard to get for most characters. Hunter's Sense is often the most useful Level 1 stance for such a multiclasser, and to take it, first you have to take Wolf Fang Strike, Claw at the Moon, or Rabid Wolf Strike. Some characters never TWF and aren't particularly reckless, but have ranks in Jump, so CatM is their best option. YMMV though.

Leading the Charge is pretty decent even if the Warblade is the only charger in his party. It's a scaling flat bonus to charge damage, and since it's a stance, you can combine it with other maneuvers that involve charging -- or, if you want to be really nasty, combine it with Pounce. I'd say it should be at least Black rather than red.

Bolstering Voice -- I love the flavor of this stance, and at low levels it's indeed as awesome as you say. But since it's a morale bonus, it quickly loses its impact if your party has any buff-focused character, such as a Bard or Cleric.


Rage? Maneuvers are a much more effective way of increasing damage output.

Eh, Whirling Frenzy is still pretty nice. Not worth it by itself, still, no. But if you're dipping for Pounce, I'd suggest taking Whirling Frenzy instead of Rage + Intimidating Rage.

A second Barbarian level is also pretty viable, since it doesn't lose you any Initiator levels, if you use some other ACFs. (In particular, the Wolf Totem gives you Improved Trip instead of a redundant Uncanny Dodge. Of course, you have to ask your DM if he'll allow you to take Lion Spirit Totem from CChamp and Wolf Totem from UA.)

[Elfin]

Thanks both of you. Right now I've just done two separate halves of the barbarian section, one from Draz and the other from Shneekey, but I'll make it more coherent ASAP.

[Boci]

I'd add that 2 levels in a full BAB class are always worth considering since they will allow you to get a 3rd level stance at warblade 4.

[Reynard]

I'd add that 2 levels in a full BAB class are always worth considering since they will allow you to get a 3rd level stance at warblade 4.

Fighters can be a good start here. Because hey, bonus feats!

Factotum has a sort of synergy, but if you want the nicest bit you have to take it to at least level 4/5. Int as a bonus to jump checks can be pretty nice, if you've got the Int to make it worth the levels.

[Amphetryon]

If you have access, Strongarm Ranger 2 might be the ideal dip, for skill points and Power Attack.

[Akal Saris]

Fighters can be a good start here. Because hey, bonus feats!

Factotum has a sort of synergy, but if you want the nicest bit you have to take it to at least level 4/5. Int as a bonus to jump checks can be pretty nice, if you've got the Int to make it worth the levels.

Agreed. Factotum also really shines with warblade when you're playing in gestalt, as do bard and wizard.

[Saph]

Fighters can be a good start here. Because hey, bonus feats!

The standard build is Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Warblade 3. Compared to a single-classed Warblade you lose one initiator level, but in exchange you get two bonus feats and your second stance is 3rd-level instead of 1st-level. Not a bad deal.

[Reynard]

Agreed. Factotum also really shines with warblade when you're playing in gestalt, as do bard and wizard.

If we're talking Gestalt, a fun, simple, decent build is just Diamond Mind Warblade 20//Psion 20. There is little you won't be able to do, you'll be a full caster with the HP of a tank, and with a couple of feats (Instant Clarity and maybe Psychic Renewal) you can give a real, consistent beatdown on everything you can see.

[Swooper]

If we're talking Gestalt, a fun, simple, decent build is just Diamond Mind Warblade 20//Psion 20. There is little you won't be able to do, you'll be a full caster with the HP of a tank, and with a couple of feats (Instant Clarity and maybe Psychic Renewal) you can give a real, consistent beatdown on everything you can see.
Not to mention the psionic focus + Diamond Mind synergy. One of my favourite gestalt combos. :smallbiggrin:

[Draz74]

The standard build is Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Warblade 3. Compared to a single-classed Warblade you lose one initiator level, but in exchange you get two bonus feats and your second stance is 3rd-level instead of 1st-level. Not a bad deal.

Or swap one of the Fighter levels for the Pouncing Barbarian dip option. Not that I'd allow this, as a DM.

[Elfin]

Why not, Draz?

[Reynard]

Cheeeeeeese.

And becuase a 1-level dip in Lion Totem Barbarian is a key feature in pretty much all ubercharger builds.

At least, that's what I assume.

[Eldariel]

The standard build is Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Warblade 3. Compared to a single-classed Warblade you lose one initiator level, but in exchange you get two bonus feats and your second stance is 3rd-level instead of 1st-level. Not a bad deal.

You also get Heavy Armor Prof, which can be convenient. Though I personally prefer Fighter 1/Barbarian 1 or so, but that's not nearly as neutral with regards to character abilities as Fighter/Warblade (which, for all intents and purposes, is really just a Warblade).

[Elfin]

Cheeeeeeese.

And becuase a 1-level dip in Lion Totem Barbarian is a key feature in pretty much all ubercharger builds.

At least, that's what I assume.

I'd actually disagree that it's dairy at all; really most melee characters need Pounce to be effective. Honestly, I think it's something they should have had from the outset.

[Cieyrin]

I'd actually disagree that it's dairy at all; really most melee characters need Pounce to be effective. Honestly, I think it's something they should have had from the outset.

Not necessarily true, as that's assuming you're fighting in an area clear of obstruction, which is hardly an universal truth. Being able to move and attack can be covered in other manners as well, such as Travel Devotion, Sparring Dummy of the Master, Tumble DC 40, etc.

[Boci]

Not necessarily true, as that's assuming you're fighting in an area clear of obstruction, which is hardly an universal truth. Being able to move and attack can be covered in other manners as well, such as Travel Devotion, Sparring Dummy of the Master, Tumble DC 40, etc.

So you'd rather all melee characters took a level dip into cloister cleric/used UMD to pretend to be a monk/minmaxed a skill check than take a level dip as a barbarian? I understand those options are generally more powerful than pounce, but doesn't it generally mesh with the character concept better?

[true_shinken]

So you'd rather all melee characters took a level dip into cloister cleric/used UMD to pretend to be a monk/minmaxed a skill check than take a level dip as a barbarian? I understand those options are generally more powerful than pounce, but doesn't it generally mesh with the character concept better?

Actually, I think maximized Tumble fits a Warblade a lot better than wild fighting. Specially when you consider you can't use strikes in a charge.

Really, you don't even need pounce, you can gain free movement from cheap items. Anklets of Translocation, Bloodspike Tempo, Quicksilver Boots, Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker; that's just the tip of the iceberg, really. The most expensive of the bunch costs 3200gp only.

I'm not a fan of lots of dips and we should realize not all DMs like the view that classes are metagame concepts. Specially with a Barbarian that worships a specific animal totem, this can get ugly. "Oh, so your urban swashbucklign Warblade suddenly acquired an spiritual connection to the Lion totem? Care to explain how?" Unless you shout 'just refluff it!' at your DMs face and he accepts, I'm guessing that won't fly. Buying a pair of magical boots and/or maximizing Tumble? Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

...and Warblades don't even need free movement as much as other melee classes anyway.

[Cieyrin]

So you'd rather all melee characters took a level dip into cloister cleric/used UMD to pretend to be a monk/minmaxed a skill check than take a level dip as a barbarian? I understand those options are generally more powerful than pounce, but doesn't it generally mesh with the character concept better?

Minmaxing a class skill shouldn't be that bad, really. Plus, Rage doesn't mesh terribly well with Diamond Mind, given you can't make any Concentration checks while raging, which disables a good many of that discipline's maneuvers. As shinken's pointed out, not every Warblade needs to embrace their inner beast, plus, how are you gonna get to Dual Stance otherwise without locking in a bunch of your feat slots to go MoN?

[Boci]

Actually, I think maximized Tumble fits a Warblade a lot better than wild fighting.

Counter argument DC: 40 check.


I'm not a fan of lots of dips and we should realize not all DMs like the view that classes are metagame concepts. Specially with a Barbarian that worships a specific animal totem, this can get ugly. "Oh, so your urban swashbucklign Warblade suddenly acquired an spiritual connection to the Lion totem? Care to explain how?" Unless you shout 'just refluff it!' at your DMs face and he accepts, I'm guessing that won't fly.

Please, be polite. I don't claim your a foaming mouth zealot who believes it is their life's goal to defend WotC's fluff from the unworthy heavans, so I'd take it kindly if you just you made your point by saying "not all DMs permit refluffing" rather than implying that anyone who does so isn't going to bother trying proprerly and will just be rude about it.


Buying a pair of magical boots and/or maximizing Tumble? Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

Counter argument: DC 40 check.


Minmaxing a class skill shouldn't be that bad, really.

To a reliable get a DC 40 check?


Plus, Rage doesn't mesh terribly well with Diamond Mind, given you can't make any Concentration checks while raging,

There are alternatives.

[Zangano Athyran]

In the campaign I run, one of the players is a single class Warblade and he uses a Glaive to great effect. The ability to deliver Strikes at reach range seriously destroys his enemies.

[true_shinken]

Counter argument DC: 40 check.
How is that even a counter argument? Yes, it's somewhat hard to do. Imight have to spend resource on it. What's the problem with that?


Please, be polite. I don't claim your a foaming mouth zealot who believes it is their life's goal to defend WotC's fluff from the unworthy heavans, so I'd take it kindly if you just you made your point by saying "not all DMs permit refluffing" rather than implying that anyone who does so isn't going to bother trying proprerly and will just be rude about it.
That's not what I said, that's not what I meant and I take offense at you suggesting so. I just said 'not anyone will accept refluffing'.

[Boci]

How is that even a counter argument? Yes, it's somewhat hard to do. Imight have to spend resource on it. What's the problem with that?

Level 10, 13 ranks, dex mod 5, synergy 2, +10 from magical items, total modifiers +30, no ACP, I can suceed 50% of the time. Before that the chances are even less.


That's not what I said, that's not what I meant and I take offense at you suggesting so. I just said 'not anyone will accept refluffing'.

No, you said "Unless you shout 'just refluff it!' at your DMs face" which has different implications.

[true_shinken]

Level 10, 13 ranks, dex mod 5, synergy 2, +10 from magical items, total modifiers +30, no ACP, I can suceed 50% of the time. Before that the chances are even less.
That's not even trying. Acrobatic (incidentally, I think it's a bonus feat for Warblade), Skill Focus, Item Familiar. Your level 10 character now has Tumble +39. He will never fail again.
Also, with Tumble +30, you succeed 55% of the time.


No, you said "Unless you shout 'just refluff it!' at your DMs face" which has different implications.
A joke is a joke and I'm sorry if you didn't get it. If someone asks why answering there is no way is hardly an answer. Then again, maybe my brazilian jokes are not funny for you. I apologize.

[Cieyrin]

To a reliable get a DC 40 check?

There are alternatives.

I listed but a few options. PersonMan has many more (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103358).

DC 40 may seem daunting but, if you invest somewhat into increasing your Tumble skill check, it isn't that hard to get it online reliably. Putting in ranks, taking a level in Exemplar for Skill Mastery(Tumble) and Skill Artistry, 5 ranks in Jump, having a decent Dex, getting a MW Tumbling tool, custom Competence item, a level in Blade Dancer or Foot and Fist Mastery, it all adds up to make that feasible.

Now, I'm not saying you should depend on getting this early. I'm saying it's an alternative that can come online in the midlevels.

[Mongoose87]

Actually, I think maximized Tumble fits a Warblade a lot better than wild fighting. Specially when you consider you can't use strikes in a charge.

I. The Warblade has access to Tiger Claw, the essence of wild fighting.

II. This is not necessarily true; there are maneuvers that can only be done in a charge. In fact, one of them lets you pounce.

[Cieyrin]

II. This is not necessarily true; there are maneuvers that can only be done in a charge. In fact, one of them lets you pounce.

Yes but that doesn't necessarily allow you to make a full attack as well. Those maneuvers specifically call for a full-round action, which is not a charge attack action, which Pounce specifically needs.

[true_shinken]

I. The Warblade has access to Tiger Claw, the essence of wild fighting.
He also has access to Diamond Mind, the essence of non-wild fighting.:smallconfused:


II. This is not necessarily true; there are maneuvers that can only be done in a charge. In fact, one of them lets you pounce.
Of course not. That's why I said 'I think'.

[Boci]

That's not even trying. Acrobatic
(incidentally, I think it's a bonus feat for Warblade), Skill Focus, Item Familiar. Your level 10 character now has Tumble +39.

So three feats, two of which aren't warblade bonus feats, and it only really kicks in at level ten. Oh, and one of those feats isn't always allowed and will have significant RP implications if it is. Additional costs are: Armour cannot have ACP, you need to get +10 from magical items. Overall that is quite an investment compared to a single level dip in another martial class.


He will never fail again.

Difficult terrain. Chances are pretty low, but still...


Also, with Tumble +30, you succeed 55% of the time.

Right you are.


A joke is a joke and I'm sorry if you didn't get it. If someone asks why answering there is no way is hardly an answer. Then again, maybe my brazilian jokes are not funny for you. I apologize.

It not just on this thread. To me, you immediatly become needlessly antagonistic as soon as topic, or even the portential for the topic, of refluffing arises. Thats my observation at least.

[Elfin]

Guys, just remember to keep it civil. There's no need to argue.

[true_shinken]

It not just on this thread. To me, you immediatly become needlessly antagonistic as soon as topic, or even the portential for the topic, of refluffing arises. Thats my observation at least.
That's pretty weird, I have plenty of refluffed characters in my game (a human that took Otherwordly even though it's a Faerun regional feat and he's not in Faerun, a Cyran Avenger with the whole class refluffed as 'thirst for battle', a Shiba Protector with No Thought refluffed as weak but skilled (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeakButSkilled), a Sohei with ki frenzy refluffed as an alchemical potion he brewed himself... there are probably more examples if I think about it hard enough). I even suggest refluffing for one of the builds in my Suel Arcanamach handbook.
So I'm sorry, but I think you are just wrong. I have nothing against refluffing, I just don't think it should be done aimlessly.

[Cieyrin]

So three feats, two of which aren't warblade bonus feats, and it only really kicks in at level ten. Oh, and one of those feats isn't always allowed and will have significant RP implications if it is. Additional costs are: Armour cannot have ACP, you need to get +10 from magical items. Overall that is quite an investment compared to a single level dip in another martial class.

Difficult terrain. Chances are pretty low, but still...

ACP-less armor is not terribly difficult to do, especially when you're limited to medium armor. (Tumbler's Breastplate!) Mithral and the Nimble enchantment does much for that. As for +10 magic, that's 10k, which becomes increasingly inconsequential an expense, if WBL is to be believed. It's not a major investment, if we ignore the feats. Again, I didn't say DC 40 Tumble was a low-level trick. And I don't see how dipping cleric for Travel and possibly Knowledge Devotion isn't any more of an expense than dipping Barbarian is.


It not just on this thread. To me, you immediatly become needlessly antagonistic as soon as topic, or even the portential for the topic, of refluffing arises. Thats my observation at least.

Could you take that to PM or drop the argument, as it's not pertinent to this thread and I'd rather not see it get locked because of it and I hope neither do you two, either.

[Draz74]

Why not, Draz?


I'd actually disagree that it's dairy at all; really most melee characters need Pounce to be effective. Honestly, I think it's something they should have had from the outset.

I dislike the Pouncing Barbarian Dip for several reasons.

Even if it's not "cheesy" compared to non-melee builds, it's cheesy. It's just a more powerful ability than a class should get at Level 1.
It's terrible flavor. Now every decent warrior has to be a non-Lawful rage-fueled savage, at least a little bit? Lolwut.
There are a few better-designed ways to enable full attacks.
My inner simulationist is hurt by an at-will ability to move 60 feet and still make several attacks in 6 seconds. Even more than D&D generally hurts, that is. It just ... doesn't look right to me when I imagine it.
Tome of Battle warriors don't really need full attacks that badly anyway.
I'm just tired of seeing Barbarian 1 in too many melee builds.
It bothers me that this ability ever made it through editing. Compare it to the other Complete Champion Totem options ... it's not even in the same league. I've heard some good arguments that Pounce was probably intended to be a Level 5 ACF, but got mixed up in the writing process somehow.


Note that I would similarly disallow Cleric dips just for Travel Devotion, too.

[dgnslyr]

Warblades and the other Martial Adepts can live without Pounce because of all the fun Strikes they get. As for other melee classes, well, that's the fault of 3.x, so what can you do?

[Mongoose87]

Even if it's not "cheesy" compared to non-melee builds, it's cheesy. It's just a more powerful ability than a class should get at Level 1.



Although you get it at level 1, outside of TWF, which deserves it, and whirling frenzy, it really doesn't help until 6th level.

[Draz74]

Although you get it at level 1, outside of TWF, which deserves it, and whirling frenzy, it really doesn't help until 6th level.

Multiclass.

(Your argument is, indeed, why it doesn't bother me much on pure Barbarians. Well, that, and the flavor is more palatable. The simulationist in me still cringes, though.)

[absolmorph]

I dislike the Pouncing Barbarian Dip for several reasons.

Even if it's not "cheesy" compared to non-melee builds, it's cheesy. It's just a more powerful ability than a class should get at Level 1.
It's terrible flavor. Now every decent warrior has to be a non-Lawful rage-fueled savage, at least a little bit? Lolwut.
There are a few better-designed ways to enable full attacks.
My inner simulationist is hurt by an at-will ability to move 60 feet and still make several attacks in 6 seconds. Even more than D&D generally hurts, that is. It just ... doesn't look right to me when I imagine it.
Tome of Battle warriors don't really need full attacks that badly anyway.
I'm just tired of seeing Barbarian 1 in too many melee builds.
It bothers me that this ability ever made it through editing. Compare it to the other Complete Champion Totem options ... it's not even in the same league. I've heard some good arguments that Pounce was probably intended to be a Level 5 ACF, but got mixed up in the writing process somehow.


Note that I would similarly disallow Cleric dips just for Travel Devotion, too.
Well, I'd like to point out that, outside of heavy optimization, level 6 seems to be where the real-world abilities of humans and DnD start to split. A level 5 fighter is still working within the bounds of our abilities. A level 10 fighter has begun surpassing those. A level 20 character is pretty much super-human. That's why systems like E6 exist; some people want to play characters that aren't superhuman.

Also, having the Rage ability does not mean you have to USE the Rage ability. You could have a character who only uses it when they actually get ANGRY, and have it be partially a role-play ability. Or it could be their reserve ability, for when a fight gets too tough to beat without using their anger as a weapon. Or it could be a cold rage, where he just tries to attack you over and over, unrelenting until it ends. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImplacableMan) You're claiming it places RP restriction ("rage-fueled savage"), but that's something that you can easily RP differently.

[Draz74]

Well, I'd like to point out that, outside of heavy optimization, level 6 seems to be where the real-world abilities of humans and DnD start to split. A level 5 fighter is still working within the bounds of our abilities. A level 10 fighter has begun surpassing those. A level 20 character is pretty much super-human. That's why systems like E6 exist; some people want to play characters that aren't superhuman.
Look, as far as the "inner simulationist pain" objection goes, I'm not really wanting an argument, and I'm not saying anyone else has to feel the same way. I'm just saying, when I imagine fantasy combat, some abilities "look" right in my head, and at-will Pounce does not.

(Side note: there's a lot of holes in the "level 6 is where characters become superhuman" argument anyway.)


Also, having the Rage ability does not mean you have to USE the Rage ability. You could have a character who only uses it when they actually get ANGRY, and have it be partially a role-play ability. Or it could be their reserve ability, for when a fight gets too tough to beat without using their anger as a weapon. Or it could be a cold rage, where he just tries to attack you over and over, unrelenting until it ends. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImplacableMan) You're claiming it places RP restriction ("rage-fueled savage"), but that's something that you can easily RP differently.
I'm not a newbie to refluffing classes. I understand all this. I still find it poor game design to need to put a level called "Barbarian" onto an otherwise non-Barbarian-ish character just so he can Pounce.

[FelixG]

This is epicly useful for my PbP game :smallbiggrin:

I am approaching level two though and I had a question I dont think is covered by the wall of blades text block in the book

If I am fighting something and it rolls a d20+3 and say gets a nat 20...If I roll higher than a 23 with my attack do I deflect it or do I have to crit in return to block a crit?

I am away from my book so I figured it would be safe to ask here! :smallbiggrin:

[dgnslyr]

Not quite sure on the RAW, but a natural 20 is an auto-hit, regardless of AC, and Wall of Blades just gives you an alternative way to calculate AC, I'd say a natural 20 still hits, no matter what.

[Elfin]

I'd lean towards the same verdict, myself.

[Saintheart]

Not quite sure on the RAW, but a natural 20 is an auto-hit, regardless of AC, and Wall of Blades just gives you an alternative way to calculate AC, I'd say a natural 20 still hits, no matter what.

Cutting across the issue here, but I'd thought concealment chance cuts across natural 20, doesn't it? If not, there's probably a few disgruntled players I need to talk to... :smallbiggrin:

[Chen]

Cutting across the issue here, but I'd thought concealment chance cuts across natural 20, doesn't it? If not, there's probably a few disgruntled players I need to talk to... :smallbiggrin:

Miss chance provided by concealment should still work on Natural 20s. You're supposed to roll miss chance after you determine if you've achieved a high enough roll to hit that appropriate AC. A natural 20 just means that roll succeeded.

[Draz74]

Potential houserules aside, I can't see why Wall of Blades wouldn't stop a Natural 20 by the way it's written.

[true_shinken]

Potential houserules aside, I can't see why Wall of Blades wouldn't stop a Natural 20 by the way it's written.
Draz, Wall of Blades makes you have an AC of X where X is your attack roll. Natural 20 always hits, regardless of AC.
Can't see how it would spot a natural 20.

[Draz74]

Draz, Wall of Blades makes you have an AC of X where X is your attack roll. Natural 20 always hits, regardless of AC.
Can't see how it would spot a natural 20.

Never mind, I'm a moron. I was misremembering the wording of Wall of Blades, and commented on it without bothering to look it up.

[Elfin]

Working on third and fourth level maneuvers now. Obviously, my initial timeline has sort of gone down the drain, in part because the project's scope has expanded a lot from my original conception, but I hope to finish all the maneuvers/stances in a week or so.

[FelixG]

Working on third and fourth level maneuvers now. Obviously, my initial timeline has sort of gone down the drain, in part because the project's scope has expanded a lot from my original conception, but I hope to finish all the maneuvers/stances in a week or so.

its a great resource and it is greatly appreciated! :smallbiggrin:

Thank you again for this handbook!

[true_shinken]

About Stonefoot Stance, you say 'most Str checks are outside combat'. But remember, you need a Str check to trip and to bull rush. The stance still sucks, but it does have a larger scope in combat that you mentioned.

[Telok]

Here are a couple of builds I wrote up for some friends of mine. Useful as examples of what you can do with warblade/fighter and Warblade/psychic warrior.

The drummer boy.

needs 13 Str (more is better), needs 17 Dex (less if drop improved TWF),

Human Two Weapon Fighting
Fighter 1 1/0 Power Attack Weapon Focus -Light Mace
Fighter 2 2/1 Lightning Mace
Fighter 3 3/1 Combat Reflexes
Fighter 4 4/2 Weapon Specialization -Light Mace
Warblade 1 5/3 *Emerald Razor *Wolf Fang Strike *Blood in Water *Moment of Perfect Mind *Lightning Recovery
Warblade 2 6/4 Uncanny Dodge Improved Two-Weapon Fighting *Disarming Strike *Dancing Mongoose
Warblade 3 7/5 *Iron Heart Surge
Fighter 5 8/5
Fighter 6 9/6 Melee Weapon Mastery-Bludegoning Improved Critical -Light Mace
Warblade 4 10/7 *Pearl of Black Doubt *Flesh Ripper (lose Wolf Fang Strike)
Warblade 5 11/8 Quickdraw (bonus feat) *Lightning Recovery
Warblade 6 12/9 Two-Weapon Rend Improved Uncanny *Dancing Mongoose (lose one strike)
Fighter 7 13/9
Fighter 8 14/10 Crushing Strike

Lightning Mace
[Style]
(CWar p113)
Combat Reflexes
Two-Weapon Fighting
Weapon Focus (light mace)
If fighting with a Light Mace in each hand, anytime you threaten a Critical, you gain an
additional attack at the same attack bonus.

Two-Weapon Rend
[General, Fighter]
Dexterity 15
Base Attack Bonus +11
Two-Weapon Fighting
If you damage an opponent with each of your weapons in a given round, you do extra damage equal to
1d6 + 1 ½ Strength modifier. With regards to Damage Reduction, use the off-hand weapon
A given creature may only take this rending damage once per round.

Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Dexterity 17
Base Attack Bonus +6
Two-Weapon Fighting
As part of a Full Round Attack, you may make an attack
with your secondary weapon at –2, a second attack at –7.

Crushing Strike
[General]
Base Attack Bonus +14
Weapon Focus (any bludgeoning)
Weapon Specialization (any bludgeoning)
Melee Weapon Master – Bludgeoning
When making a Full Round Attack with any Bludgeoning melee weapon, you receive a +1 cumulative
bonus on attack rolls for each roll that has hit this round (i.e., it restarts at +0 at the start of each round).

Melee Weapon Mastery –Bludgeoning
[General, Fighter]
Base Attack Bonus +8
Weapon Focus (any bludgeoning melee)
Weapon Specialization (any bludgeoning melee)
Any Melee Bludgeoning weapon you wield has a +2 bonus on attack & damage rolls.

Disarming Strike Single attack, normal damage, free disarm attempt Standard
Emerald Razor Single attack as touch attack, normal damage Standard
Moment of Perfect Mind Use Concentration check for a Will save Immediate
Dancing Mongoose 1 extra attack per weapon, max 2 extra attacks, Swift
use best attack bonus, single target
Blood in the Water +1 cumulative untyped attack and damage per critical hit (see text) Stance
Wolf Fang Strike Attack with both weapons on one opponent, -2 both attacks Standard
Iron Heart Surge End one effect on you, +2 morale bonus on attacks for one round Standard
Pearl of Black Doubt +2 cumulative dodge bonus per melee attack that misses you, Stance
resets at the beginning of your round
Flesh Ripper Single attack, target has -4 AC and attacks for 1 round, Standard
Fort save (13+Str mod) negates, crit multiplies the duration (see text)
Lightning Recovery Reroll one attack at +2 to hit Immediate

Attack Routines at level 11
Glaive base atk +11 dmg 1d10 crit 20 x3 (+ 1.5 xStr) reach weapon, 2hander
Maul base atk +13 dmg 1d10+2 crit 20 x2 (+ 1.5 xStr) 2hander
Glaive (reach) for attack of opportunity, drop glaive and quickdraw maul
Emerald Razor + Power Attack (touch attack and power atk -10 to hit +20 dmg)

Two Light Maces base atk +12/+7/+2 dmg 1d6+4 crit 19-20 x2 (+ Str)
offhand +12/+7 dmg 1d6+4 crit 19-20 x2 (+ 0.5 xStr)
on threat (19-20) get extra attack at same attack bonus
on crit get +1 to hit & dmg for all following attacks (bonus lasts from the
last crit +10 rounds) while in Blood in the Water stance

at level 12 Str 15 (+2), +1 collision maces.
Two Light Maces base atk +16/+16/+11/+6 dmg 1d6+12 crit 19-20 x2
offhand +16/+16/+11 dmg 1d6+11 crit 19-20 x2
on threat (19-20) get extra attack at same attack bonus
on crit get +1 to hit & dmg for all following attacks (bonus lasts from the
last crit +10 rounds) while in Blood in the Water stance
if hit at least once with each weapon Rend for 1d6+3

Withering: A rod of withering acts as a +1 light mace that deals no hit point damage. Instead, the
wielder deals 1d4 points of Strength damage and 1d4 points of Constitution damage to any creature
she touches with the rod (by making a melee touch attack). If she scores a critical hit, the damage from
that hit is permanent ability drain. In either case, the defender negates the effect with a DC 17 Fort save.


Mr. Smush

DEEP IMPACT [PSIONIC]
Prerequisite: Str 13, Psionic Weapon, base attack bonus +5.
Benefit: To use this feat, you must expend your psionic focus. You can resolve your attack
with a melee weapon as a touch attack. You must decide whether or not to use this feat prior
to making an attack. If your attack misses, you still expend your psionic focus

GREATER PSIONIC WEAPON [PSIONIC]
Prerequisite: Str 13, Psionic Weapon, base attack bonus +5.
Benefit: When you use the Psionic Weapon feat, your attack with a melee weapon deals an
extra 4d6 points of damage instead of an extra 2d6 points.

PSIONIC BODY [PSIONIC]
Benefit: When you take this feat, you gain 2 hit points for each psionic feat you have
(including this one). Whenever you take a new psionic feat, you gain 2 more hit points.

PSIONIC WEAPON [PSIONIC]
Prerequisite: Str 13.
Benefit: To use this feat, you must expend your psionic focus.
Your attack with a melee weapon deals an extra 2d6 points of damage. You must decide
whether or not to use this feat prior to making an attack. If your attack misses,
you still expend your psionic focus

level class bab/ini pow/lvl feats
1 psywar1 0/0 1,1 psionic weapon, power attack, Force Screen
2 psywar2 1/1 2,1 psionic body, Float
3 warblade1 2/2 3-3-1 (1) improved toughness, Moment of Perfect Mind, 2m, 1s
4 warblade2 3/3 4-3-1 (2) Emerald Razor
5 psywar3 4/3 3,1 Expansion
6 warblade3 5/4 5-3-1 (2) deep impact, Battle Leader's Charge
7 psywar4 6/5 4,2 Body Adjustment
8 warblade4 7/6 t-4-2 (3) White Raven Tactics, Pearl of Black Doubt
9 psywar5 7/6 5,2 greater psi weapon, psionic meditation


@12
{standard} emerald razor, PA 10, +str vs. touch AC, wp+(str*1.5)+20
{swift} lightning recovery if miss
{move} psionic meditation [regain focus]

{swift} regain maneuvers
{standard} deep impact [expend focus], PA 10, +str vs. touch AC, wp+(str*1.5)+20
{move} [open]



Sorry about the formatting, I imported them from spreadsheets and didn't fool with them too much.

[Elfin]

I was going to post them all in one go, but I think I'll stick to the bit-by-bit method. I decided to make IHS and WRT gold rather than cyan - do you think that was a good choice, or should I make them cyan instead? My reasoning was that they're by far the most amazing level 3 warblade maneuvers, and never run out of use: in a sense, they're the essential 3rd-level maneuvers.

Thanks for the builds, by the way, Telok! I'll make sure to put them up.

Edit: I do sort of feel like I'm being harsh on Stone Dragon. What are your guys' thoughts?

[Black_Zawisza]

I was going to post them all in one go, but I think I'll stick to the bit-by-bit method. I decided to make IHS and WRT gold rather than cyan - do you think that was a good choice, or should I make them cyan instead? My reasoning was that they're by far the most amazing level 3 warblade maneuvers, and never run out of use: in a sense, they're the essential 3rd-level maneuvers.

Thanks for the builds, by the way, Telok! I'll make sure to put them up.

Edit: I do sort of feel like I'm being harsh on Stone Dragon. What are your guys' thoughts?
It would depend on the DM. If you're allowed to use it on yourself, WRT is definitely golden. I'd put IHS as cyan, because it depends on the DM even more so.

Nope, you're being perfectly fair to Stone Dragon. Pick up Mountain Hammer, Mountain Tombstone Strike, and completely ignore the rest.

[Draz74]

I was going to post them all in one go, but I think I'll stick to the bit-by-bit method. I decided to make IHS and WRT gold rather than cyan - do you think that was a good choice, or should I make them cyan instead?
Personally, I'd say WRT = gold, IHS = "only" cyan.


Edit: I do sort of feel like I'm being harsh on Stone Dragon. What are your guys' thoughts?

Hmmm, the only one I've thought was entirely the wrong color was Charging Minotaur. It's awesome damage at low levels and never entirely loses value as a cheap way of getting "temporary Improved Bull Rush" (unless, of course, your Warblade takes the actual feat).

In general, I think you're looking at Stone Dragon too much in terms of how they scale, when they're actually decent at the levels you can first get them. You keep calling Save DCs "low" (Bonecrusher, Exorcism of Steel), but they're not, when you first get them.


Nope, you're being perfectly fair to Stone Dragon. Pick up Mountain Hammer, Mountain Tombstone Strike, and completely ignore the rest.

Oversimplistic.

Mountain Hammer is excellent in any case, yes. Every Warblade should take it. Mountain Tombstone Strike? Not so much. It's decent if you get to ignore the "must not be flying" thing, or if you're in a campaign where not many things fly. But even then, I wouldn't call it a must-have.

And if you're in a campaign where the flight thing isn't a problem, there are a few other Stone Dragon maneuvers that are decent, if not amazing:

Charging Minotaur
Stone Bones (an incredible choice to take at Level 1, swap out at Level 4)
Roots of the Mountain -- good battlefield control if you're too feat-starved to pick up Thicket of Blades
Bonesplitting Strike
Elder Mountain Hammer
Mountain Avalanche
Crushing Vise
Irresistible Mountain Strike
Ancient Mountain Hammer

Elfin just hasn't gotten to the levels where most of these decent maneuvers are at.

[Elfin]

I think you're right, Draz, about Charging Minotaur.
But about the save DCs - both saves in the maneuvers you mention are 13+Str bonus. With an 18 or so Strength at levels 5-6, that's a DC of about 17.
Now, looking at the Fort saves of Core, CR 5 monsters, they seem to average out at about +9 or +10 - that means they'll fail only on rolls below 6 or 7. Not such bad odds, but monster Fort saves shoot up really quickly, and within just two levels I think those DCs really are obsolete, even more so than they were before. I'd say it would be much better if those saves were based on, say, IL.

[Draz74]

But about the save DCs - both saves in the maneuvers you mention are 13+Str bonus. With an 18 or so Strength at levels 5-6, that's a DC of about 17.
Now, looking at the Fort saves of Core, CR 5 monsters, they seem to average out at about +9 or +10 - that means they'll fail only on rolls below 6 or 7. Not such bad odds, but monster Fort saves shoot up really quickly, and within just two levels I think those DCs really are obsolete, even more so than they were before. I'd say it would be much better if those saves were based on, say, IL.

It's practically the same Save DCs that a Wizard of the same level has, on his highest-level spells.

And not all monsters have great Fortitude saves. Maybe these maneuvers are meant for hunting the caster-type monsters.

... screw it, I guess I'm just playing devil's advocate. I actually tend to stay away from maneuvers that offer a save at all, except for Swooping Dragon Strike (save DC = Jump check result, YIKES!).

[Saph]

Insightful Strike is particularly fun once you realise it works with any weapon, including improvised weapons and unarmed strikes. "Want to see a magic trick? I'm going to make this pencil disappear."

[Mongoose87]

Insightful Strike is particularly fun once you realise it works with any weapon, including improvised weapons and unarmed strikes. "Want to see a magic trick? I'm going to make this pencil disappear."

I think I love you.

[Elfin]

I think I love you.

Yeah. I know what you mean.
Sometime, I really need to try that.

[Elfin]

Fourth level maneuvers are up.

[bartman]

In regards to White Raven Tactics, I found it a bit odd that Wizards would consider yourself as an ally, so I did some searching. I could not find an actual custserv ruling, just reference to one. I did however, find an Ask Wizards article from July 31, 2007. Someone asked if you could use WRT on yourself to gain a second turn after your current initiative score, and got a NO. If anyone has an updated reference where they allow it, can you please show it, otherwise, Elfin, you may want to change it to reflect that you cannot use it on yourself.

Here is the wizards link: Ask Wizards (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20070731a)

I may be very wrong, but my 5 minute research points to this being in error.

[Telok]

Insightful Strike is particularly fun once you realise it works with any weapon, including improvised weapons and unarmed strikes. "Want to see a magic trick? I'm going to make this pencil disappear."

Remember, if you b*slap the sorcerer for screwing up the teleport (and roll a 20) you get to carry his unconscious body around until he wakes up.

I hit him a little harder than I intended too.

[true_shinken]

I did however, find an Ask Wizards article from July 31, 2007.

I agree with you and I know you meant no harm, but this might become a "Sage is not RAW" issue, unfortunately.

[bartman]

I agree with you and I know you meant no harm, but this might become a "Sage is not RAW" issue, unfortunately.

I had a feeling about that, once I saw the Sage bit, but with it being on wizards website, I would assume it is their ruling. It ultimately comes down to DM ruling, and I know for a fact that I would be beat with both the DMG AND DMG II if I tried to pull that stunt.

[Swooper]

I'm pretty sure that's the only official ruling on the WRT issue, so regardless of lack of RAW on the issue the RAI is pretty clear from this. I'm guessing most groups play it that way anyway...

[Runestar]

The bard entry suggests that you do count as your own ally, though even that is awkwardly worded.


Inspire Courage (Su)
A bard with 3 or more ranks in a Perform skill can use song or poetics to inspire courage in his allies (including himself), bolstering them against fear and improving their combat abilities.

Whether it was intended to be a clarification or an exception...:smalltongue:

[Incanur]

WRT is pretty stupid regardless. I hate the maneuver because optimization demands that I surround the BBEG with 5th-level dudes for maximum actions, but there's no way to explain the result that doesn't sound laughably absurd.

DM: "Daleth the Black fills the cavern with a hideous chant. Make a fortitude save."

Player1: (Rolls die.) "19!"

DM: "You feel darkness claiming you but resist its embrace." (Rolls dice.) "You take 33 damage." (Checks initiative order.) "One of Daleth's bodyguards shouts a command and his master casts another spell." (Turns to Player2.) "This time you're the target."

Player2: (Rolls die.) "7. Crap."

DM: "Black flames consume your body." (Rolls die an turns to Player1.) "The guard attacks but can't get through your armor. A second minion speaks and again Daleth invokes Shar."

Player1: "There are two more of these bodyguards, right?"

DM: "Yeah. Now roll the save."

Player1: :smallfurious::smallfrown::smallconfused:

[Tael]

Man, if only we had an extremely clear definition of ally available in the core rules... Oh, wait, we do!

ally: A creature friendly to you. In most cases,
references to “allies” include yourself.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Here are a couple of builds I wrote up for some friends of mine. Useful as examples of what you can do with warblade/fighter and Warblade/psychic warrior.

The drummer boy.

needs 13 Str (more is better), needs 17 Dex (less if drop improved TWF),

Human Two Weapon Fighting
Fighter 1 1/0 Power Attack Weapon Focus -Light Mace
Fighter 2 2/1 Lightning Mace
Fighter 3 3/1 Combat Reflexes
Fighter 4 4/2 Weapon Specialization -Light Mace
Warblade 1 5/3 *Emerald Razor *Wolf Fang Strike *Blood in Water *Moment of Perfect Mind *Lightning Recovery
Warblade 2 6/4 Uncanny Dodge Improved Two-Weapon Fighting *Disarming Strike *Dancing Mongoose
Warblade 3 7/5 *Iron Heart Surge
Fighter 5 8/5
Fighter 6 9/6 Melee Weapon Mastery-Bludegoning Improved Critical -Light Mace
Warblade 4 10/7 *Pearl of Black Doubt *Flesh Ripper (lose Wolf Fang Strike)
Warblade 5 11/8 Quickdraw (bonus feat) *Lightning Recovery
Warblade 6 12/9 Two-Weapon Rend Improved Uncanny *Dancing Mongoose (lose one strike)
Fighter 7 13/9
Fighter 8 14/10 Crushing Strike

Lightning Mace
[Style]
(CWar p113)
Combat Reflexes
Two-Weapon Fighting
Weapon Focus (light mace)
If fighting with a Light Mace in each hand, anytime you threaten a Critical, you gain an
additional attack at the same attack bonus.

Two-Weapon Rend
[General, Fighter]
Dexterity 15
Base Attack Bonus +11
Two-Weapon Fighting
If you damage an opponent with each of your weapons in a given round, you do extra damage equal to
1d6 + 1 ½ Strength modifier. With regards to Damage Reduction, use the off-hand weapon
A given creature may only take this rending damage once per round.

Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Dexterity 17
Base Attack Bonus +6
Two-Weapon Fighting
As part of a Full Round Attack, you may make an attack
with your secondary weapon at –2, a second attack at –7.

Crushing Strike
[General]
Base Attack Bonus +14
Weapon Focus (any bludgeoning)
Weapon Specialization (any bludgeoning)
Melee Weapon Master – Bludgeoning
When making a Full Round Attack with any Bludgeoning melee weapon, you receive a +1 cumulative
bonus on attack rolls for each roll that has hit this round (i.e., it restarts at +0 at the start of each round).

Melee Weapon Mastery –Bludgeoning
[General, Fighter]
Base Attack Bonus +8
Weapon Focus (any bludgeoning melee)
Weapon Specialization (any bludgeoning melee)
Any Melee Bludgeoning weapon you wield has a +2 bonus on attack & damage rolls.

Disarming Strike Single attack, normal damage, free disarm attempt Standard
Emerald Razor Single attack as touch attack, normal damage Standard
Moment of Perfect Mind Use Concentration check for a Will save Immediate
Dancing Mongoose 1 extra attack per weapon, max 2 extra attacks, Swift
use best attack bonus, single target
Blood in the Water +1 cumulative untyped attack and damage per critical hit (see text) Stance
Wolf Fang Strike Attack with both weapons on one opponent, -2 both attacks Standard
Iron Heart Surge End one effect on you, +2 morale bonus on attacks for one round Standard
Pearl of Black Doubt +2 cumulative dodge bonus per melee attack that misses you, Stance
resets at the beginning of your round
Flesh Ripper Single attack, target has -4 AC and attacks for 1 round, Standard
Fort save (13+Str mod) negates, crit multiplies the duration (see text)
Lightning Recovery Reroll one attack at +2 to hit Immediate

Attack Routines at level 11
Glaive base atk +11 dmg 1d10 crit 20 x3 (+ 1.5 xStr) reach weapon, 2hander
Maul base atk +13 dmg 1d10+2 crit 20 x2 (+ 1.5 xStr) 2hander
Glaive (reach) for attack of opportunity, drop glaive and quickdraw maul
Emerald Razor + Power Attack (touch attack and power atk -10 to hit +20 dmg)

Two Light Maces base atk +12/+7/+2 dmg 1d6+4 crit 19-20 x2 (+ Str)
offhand +12/+7 dmg 1d6+4 crit 19-20 x2 (+ 0.5 xStr)
on threat (19-20) get extra attack at same attack bonus
on crit get +1 to hit & dmg for all following attacks (bonus lasts from the
last crit +10 rounds) while in Blood in the Water stance

at level 12 Str 15 (+2), +1 collision maces.
Two Light Maces base atk +16/+16/+11/+6 dmg 1d6+12 crit 19-20 x2
offhand +16/+16/+11 dmg 1d6+11 crit 19-20 x2
on threat (19-20) get extra attack at same attack bonus
on crit get +1 to hit & dmg for all following attacks (bonus lasts from the
last crit +10 rounds) while in Blood in the Water stance
if hit at least once with each weapon Rend for 1d6+3

Withering: A rod of withering acts as a +1 light mace that deals no hit point damage. Instead, the
wielder deals 1d4 points of Strength damage and 1d4 points of Constitution damage to any creature
she touches with the rod (by making a melee touch attack). If she scores a critical hit, the damage from
that hit is permanent ability drain. In either case, the defender negates the effect with a DC 17 Fort save.


Mr. Smush

DEEP IMPACT [PSIONIC]
Prerequisite: Str 13, Psionic Weapon, base attack bonus +5.
Benefit: To use this feat, you must expend your psionic focus. You can resolve your attack
with a melee weapon as a touch attack. You must decide whether or not to use this feat prior
to making an attack. If your attack misses, you still expend your psionic focus

GREATER PSIONIC WEAPON [PSIONIC]
Prerequisite: Str 13, Psionic Weapon, base attack bonus +5.
Benefit: When you use the Psionic Weapon feat, your attack with a melee weapon deals an
extra 4d6 points of damage instead of an extra 2d6 points.

PSIONIC BODY [PSIONIC]
Benefit: When you take this feat, you gain 2 hit points for each psionic feat you have
(including this one). Whenever you take a new psionic feat, you gain 2 more hit points.

PSIONIC WEAPON [PSIONIC]
Prerequisite: Str 13.
Benefit: To use this feat, you must expend your psionic focus.
Your attack with a melee weapon deals an extra 2d6 points of damage. You must decide
whether or not to use this feat prior to making an attack. If your attack misses,
you still expend your psionic focus

level class bab/ini pow/lvl feats
1 psywar1 0/0 1,1 psionic weapon, power attack, Force Screen
2 psywar2 1/1 2,1 psionic body, Float
3 warblade1 2/2 3-3-1 (1) improved toughness, Moment of Perfect Mind, 2m, 1s
4 warblade2 3/3 4-3-1 (2) Emerald Razor
5 psywar3 4/3 3,1 Expansion
6 warblade3 5/4 5-3-1 (2) deep impact, Battle Leader's Charge
7 psywar4 6/5 4,2 Body Adjustment
8 warblade4 7/6 t-4-2 (3) White Raven Tactics, Pearl of Black Doubt
9 psywar5 7/6 5,2 greater psi weapon, psionic meditation


@12
{standard} emerald razor, PA 10, +str vs. touch AC, wp+(str*1.5)+20
{swift} lightning recovery if miss
{move} psionic meditation [regain focus]

{swift} regain maneuvers
{standard} deep impact [expend focus], PA 10, +str vs. touch AC, wp+(str*1.5)+20
{move} [open]



Sorry about the formatting, I imported them from spreadsheets and didn't fool with them too much.

An improvement of Drummer Boy:

You can pick up Aptitude equivelant from ToB so that any weapon with the Aptitude enhancement is considered to be whatever weapon is necessary for the feats which require specific weapons.

So you could combine, for example, Keen Kukri, with a crit range of 15-20, with Aptitude, and still use them in conjunction with Lightning Mace. Combined with Blood In The Water, it can become possible to have an obscene number of attacks and bonus damage to every attack.

There was even a Test of Spite build which used Aptitude and Lightning Mace and a splitting crossbow or something like that to create a nearly infinite loop. Which was freekin' hilarious when he failed a save vs Death Wish and turned himself into a red mist.

Also, Drummer Boy needs Pouncing Strike or a one-level dip in Lion Totem Barbarian for Pounce

[absolmorph]

An improvement of Drummer Boy:

You can pick up Aptitude equivelant from ToB so that any weapon with the Aptitude enhancement is considered to be whatever weapon is necessary for the feats which require specific weapons.

So you could combine, for example, Keen Kukri, with a crit range of 15-20, with Aptitude, and still use them in conjunction with Lightning Mace. Combined with Blood In The Water, it can become possible to have an obscene number of attacks and bonus damage to every attack.

There was even a Test of Spite build which used Aptitude and Lightning Mace and a splitting crossbow or something like that to create a nearly infinite loop. Which was freekin' hilarious when he failed a save vs Death Wish and turned himself into a red mist.

Also, Drummer Boy needs Pouncing Strike or a one-level dip in Lion Totem Barbarian for Pounce
Olo used a handgun, actually. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6968457)

[herrhauptmann]

Powerful Build allows you to be counted as one size larger than you are for opposed rolls, when it is advantageous to you.

My life seems strangely backwards. You're confusing Jotunbrud and Powerful Build (which everyone does). But you're making the racial feature weaker, rather than making the feat stronger.

Jotunbrud does what you said.
Powerful build does all that, and lets you use a larger sized weapon.

There's a description of powerful build under halfgiant (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#halfGiants).

[FelixG]

Man, if only we had an extremely clear definition of ally available in the core rules... Oh, wait, we do!

Nice find! +1 internets for you!

[Endarire]

Stone Dragon is spiffy at L1 for Charging Minotaur and Stone Bones. Mountain Hammer may be worth it. Otherwise, I skip Stone Dragon as-is and use Endarire's Revised Stone Dragon Discipline (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9233697).

I'm not sure if posted this, but my Hood (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872838/Little_Red_Raiding_Hood_A_Tale_of_38_Guide_to_the_ 35_Dragoon) made spiffy use of swift/immediate action maneuvers as she one-shot or one-rounded almost anything in Red Hand of Doom. She was not the typical Warblade, however. (She was a Feat Rogue1/Cleric1/WhirlPounce Barbarian1/PsyWar1/Warblade1/Abrupt Jaunt Conjurer1/Fighter1/Warblade+1.)

[Greenish]

My life seems strangely backwards. You're confusing Jotunbrud and Powerful Build (which everyone does). But you're making the racial feature weaker, rather than making the feat stronger.

Jotunbrud does what you said.
Powerful build does all that, and lets you use a larger sized weapon.I know how they work, I was just pointing out that Powerful Build doesn't make you considered Large for hiding under (with Underfoot Combat).

Context, my dear fellow, makes things easier to understand.

[Runestar]

WRT is pretty stupid regardless. I hate the maneuver because optimization demands that I surround the BBEG with 5th-level dudes for maximum actions, but there's no way to explain the result that doesn't sound laughably absurd.

What if they all wore sexy cheerleader outfits? :smalltongue:

[Halae]

What if they all wore sexy cheerleader outfits? :smalltongue:

Wasn't there a thread a while back proving that simply enchanting clothes was better for your ac than wearing armor...?

[Chen]

I think IHS needs some sort of disclaimer that it can be very good or utterly useless depending on DM's interpretation. I can't think of too many actual effects you'd want to end that give you enough freedom to actually use the standard action to end them. I mean it works on things like abilities penalties (say Ray of Enfeeblement) or fatigued/exhausted/sickened. I'm not really sure giving up your standard action to remove those is worthwhile though (well maybe a large enough ray of enfeeblement is). Now if your DM rules you can use this to remove conditions even if said condition doesn't normally allow a standard action, then yes its fantastic. I suppose if you consider ability damage/drain as an effect/condition with a duration longer than 1 round it could also be useful.

[true_shinken]

I think IHS needs some sort of disclaimer that it can be very good or utterly useless depending on DM's interpretation.

Bestow Curse, ability penalty/drain, lycanthropy and diseases already make IHS more than useful.

[Swooper]

Man, if only we had an extremely clear definition of ally available in the core rules... Oh, wait, we do!
I'm pretty sure that the RAI is that WRT is one of the exceptions to this, as shown by the Sage answer quoted earlier.

[Kyuu Himura]

Probably off-topic, but... where (book, Dragon issue, web-sup, you know) is that rule about the DC 40 tumble check??

Also, more on topic, I would say WRT doesn't work on yourself, after all, White Raven is the Team Work Discipline.

And every time I read a Warblade handbook, I think that Storm Guard Warrior is more and more awesome.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Tumble DC 40 to make a 10 foot step is in Oriental Adventures (3.0) IIRC.

[Kyuu Himura]

Also, on the subject of IHS....

Well, the very wording of the maneuver says that it is a condition or effect, so, say, if you were affected by a spell, you could remove it, provided it does affect "you" and not "the place you're standing on".
I still remember that time I used it to remove a Greater Geass. The guy who put it on me forgot the "don't remove this curse" line. Hilarious.

[Endarire]

The Oriental Adventures high DC Tumble rules (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm#tumble) were ported to the SRD.

[Mongoose87]

There's nothing there about 5 of 10 foot steps.

[true_shinken]

The Oriental Adventures high DC Tumble rules (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm#tumble) were ported to the SRD.

Nope, those are from Epic Level Handbook. OA has more stuff.

[Cieyrin]

There's nothing there about 5 to 10 foot steps.

Or the other special functions beyond falling longer distances OA introduced, like wall bouncing to climb.

[Elfin]

And every time I read a Warblade handbook, I think that Storm Guard Warrior is more and more awesome.

It is indeed.
So, it seems like if you're going strictly RAW, WRT can be used on yourself. Seems sort of silly, but meh.

[Telok]

An improvement of Drummer Boy:

You can pick up Aptitude equivelant from ToB so that any weapon with the Aptitude enhancement is considered to be whatever weapon is necessary for the feats which require specific weapons...

...Also, Drummer Boy needs Pouncing Strike or a one-level dip in Lion Totem Barbarian for Pounce

I wasn't aware of the Aptitude enchantment, of course it's been a year or two since I made these builds too. We need to keep in mind that these were not intended to be optimized builds or used in tournaments. I made these for use in an actual game where things that were too powerful did get trimmed [<cough> druids <cough>].

And if you can get an unassociated level of barbarian in there without incurring xp penalties or losing and delaying feats, good luck.

[Incanur]

So, it seems like if you're going strictly RAW, WRT can be used on yourself. Seems sort of silly, but meh.

It's less silly than having minions use it on the BBEG, so go for it if you allow the thing in the game at all.

[true_shinken]

I wasn't aware of the Aptitude enchantment, of course it's been a year or two since I made these builds too.
RAI is pretty clear that aptitude weapons should not be teh br0kenzorz, though.
It's just another editing mistake from ToB, they should work like the Warblade ability.

[Boci]

RAI is pretty clear that aptitude weapons should not be teh br0kenzorz, though.
It's just another editing mistake from ToB, they should work like the Warblade ability.

I started a thread eons ago asking what it should actually be worth if it worked as written. I think the answer was +3, +2 if you choose a single weapon.

[Elfin]

It's less silly than having minions use it on the BBEG, so go for it if you allow the thing in the game at all.

Oh, definitely. We allow it to be used like that in my group, anyway, and while it's something that's perhaps annoyed me from time to time, it's really not such an enormous problem. Better, like you say, than giving anther turn to the wizard.

[Ranger Mattos]

Interesting guide for one of my favorite classes, I'll have to look in it more in depth later. But it does look useful, even though it's not complete yet.

And you might want to head over to the Christmas avatar thread. Someone made you that avatar you wanted.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Oh, definitely. We allow it to be used like that in my group, anyway, and while it's something that's perhaps annoyed me from time to time, it's really not such an enormous problem. Better, like you say, than giving anther turn to the wizard.

I thought WRT just gave a move-action... which does not easily translate into another spell, since it's neither a Swift action for a Quicken nor a Standard action for a spell...

[Elfin]

Thanks for the heads up, Mattos. :smallwink:

[Incanur]

I thought WRT just gave a move-action... which does not easily translate into another spell, since it's neither a Swift action for a Quicken nor a Standard action for a spell...

It gives a whole turn (can act again), so presumably a standard, move, and swift.

[Boci]

I thought WRT just gave a move-action... which does not easily translate into another spell, since it's neither a Swift action for a Quicken nor a Standard action for a spell...

Thats order forged from chaos.

[MeeposFire]

An improvement of Drummer Boy:

You can pick up Aptitude equivelant from ToB so that any weapon with the Aptitude enhancement is considered to be whatever weapon is necessary for the feats which require specific weapons.

So you could combine, for example, Keen Kukri, with a crit range of 15-20, with Aptitude, and still use them in conjunction with Lightning Mace. Combined with Blood In The Water, it can become possible to have an obscene number of attacks and bonus damage to every attack.

There was even a Test of Spite build which used Aptitude and Lightning Mace and a splitting crossbow or something like that to create a nearly infinite loop. Which was freekin' hilarious when he failed a save vs Death Wish and turned himself into a red mist.

Also, Drummer Boy needs Pouncing Strike or a one-level dip in Lion Totem Barbarian for Pounce

Aptitude could also allow you to use imp nat attack, snap kick, and superior unarmed strike to boost your kukri to 3d6 damage and extra attack even on a move.

[Elfin]

Fifth level maneuvers are up.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

3rd level stances:

Diamond Mind:

Pearl of Black Doubt: Less useful than you may think. Bonuses only last a single round, and if they're going to be missing you, more AC isn't going to do much more good. And if they are hitting you, you're not going to be piling up bonuses.

Iron Heart:

Absolute Steel Stance: Extra speed and a +2 AC bonus if you move around. Not bad, but there's better 1st level stances to be in.

Stone Dragon:

Roots of the Mountain: Well, if you could keep it up while moving, it would be pretty decent for a battlefield-control specialist. Any creature that goes into your threatened space gets a -10 on Tumble checks. That makes it a lot harder to tumble past you to avoid AoO's. DR2/- isn't bad either. However, you have to plant and stay put for it to continue being effective. This makes it far less useful.

Tiger Claw:

Leaping Dragon: There's a ring which does pretty much the same thing this stance does. Belkar has it, in point of fact. Remember the cardinal rule of choosing precious stances, my young padawan: Never spend a stance on that which you may purchase for gold.

White Raven:

Tactics of the Wolf: Extra damage while flanking equal to 1/2 IL. If you can reliably set up flanking opportunities, this has a lot of potential. Remember, your buddies get this too, so flanking rogues are now doing even *more* damage. This is like half-again what Craven can do for them. If you've got several melee users who like to flank, or if someone has Clarion Call or Island of Blades or some other way of making flanking happen easier, it can be pretty nasty. Requires some forethought and setup, though.

[Elfin]

Remember, though, Leaping Dragon Stance doesn't just add a +10 to Jump checks - it actually adds +10ft.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I can't believe I forgot to bookmark this thread before :facepalm:

Shneekey, I have to say that I disagree with your analysis on Leaping Dragon stance, the ring of jumping only gives a competence bonus on jump checks (and it is a bit expensive for my tastes); the real use for the stance is to get the ability to treat all jump as having a running start.

That way you get less difficult DCs, and if you use something like sudden leap you will cover more terrain.

I also think it would be extremely useful on a hood build for example and I am sure a jumplomancer might welcome the bonus :smalltongue:

Edit: And now I want to make a Dual wielding Halfling Warblade, that abuses the jumping manoeuvres >_< Thanks a lot Shneekey:smallmad:

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Remember, though, Leaping Dragon Stance doesn't just add a +10 to Jump checks - it actually adds +10ft.

Ironically, that just makes it worse, because it can't be used for things like making the Jump check on Pouncing Strike. Absolute Steel Stance is strictly better, because it adds +10 speed as well, and also gives minor AC bonus.

[Endarire]

Leaping Dragon Stance helps much if you want to jump high. Again, see Hood (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872838/Little_Red_Raiding_Hood_A_Tale_of_38_Guide_to_the_ 35_Dragoon).

[Runestar]

Pearl of black doubt can be useful if you are surrounded by mooks, or facing monsters with a ton of natural attacks (which all tend to be made at the same attack rating). But yeah, you really need a lot of attacks, each of which only has a modest chance of hitting you, for it to be effective.

The list of 3rd lv stances for a warblade sure doesn't seem very attractive. Think I actually stuck with punishing stance for quite a while...

[Elfin]

I'm a Blood in the Water guy, myself. Though really, Absolute Steel is okay, and I don't think Leaping Dragon is all that awful.

[Elfin]

Sixth and seventh level maneuvers are up, with the final two levels to come tomorrow. But these two are another where I'm unsure as to whether I've judged things correctly; what are your thoughts?

[Boci]

I think you're over selling avalanche of blades and scything blade. AoB only really shines for a combat rythme warm up, for normal melee attacks I would hesitate to even mark it blue, and scything blade just gives you an extra attack as a swift action. Flashing sun is a second level maneuver and its arguable better since you trade -2 to hit for a swift action.

[poignant123]

Mmm. Avalanche of Blades kind of strikes me as unreliable. But it's still awesome, especially if you turn the attacks into touch attacks. One thing is to use Touch of Golden Ice with a this and a single powerful natural attack. Of course the catch is being Exalted.

Moment of Alaricity is awesome, especially if you're an Eternal Blade and have Island in Time/Eternal Training. Team up with someone who has White Raven Tactics and you're effectively nuking them many times for that one round.

I've never really seen a use for Scything Blade, I just deal enough damage and Cleave.

[Elfin]

The cyan rating was a typo, actually. I need to proofread; the cyan was intended for Moment of Alacrity.

But that was my feeling as well. Avalanche of Blades is at blue where it belongs, and I've demoted Scything Blade to black.

[Draz74]

Another note on Avalanche of Blades: I recently discovered comboing it with Wraithstrike. :smalleek:

Note that to use Swooping Dragon Strike, you actually have to jump over a monster, which can be very difficult with large monsters -- worse than getting them to just fail their save. And some things are immune to stunning. None of this keeps it from being easily a cyan-worthy maneuver.

Moment of Alacrity ... doesn't make you go first. It is a boost, not usable at the time that you roll initiative. Can still be nasty in certain combos: delay your turn until you're last in the initiative order, then take two turns in a row. If you are using other maneuvers intelligently, ouch. That said, I'm not sure what color this boost deserves overall.

Manticore Parry doesn't rate a cyan in my book, mostly because it's completely useless in a fight with a solo baddie.

Hamstring Attack ... My vague memory is that it allowed a save, which made me not like it much. But I'm too lazy to look it up right now, so I could very well be wrong.

Quicksilver Motion is "meh," just because there are easier ways to do the same thing. (Travel Devotion or Sudden Leap can cover it if you just want to move as a swift action, and if you need an actual move action, the MIC offers a couple options: the reasonably cheap Quicksilver Boots, or the insanely good Belt of Battle.) I'd make it black or blue, not cyan.

[Boci]

Manticore Parry doesn't rate a cyan in my book, mostly because it's completely useless in a fight with a solo baddie.

Depends on whether you can declare an ampty square to be an enemy.


Hamstring Attack ... My vague memory is that it allowed a save, which made me not like it much. But I'm too lazy to look it up right now, so I could very well be wrong.

Halves dex damage and speed penalty.

[FelixG]

Depends on whether you can declare an ampty square to be an enemy.



Halves dex damage and speed penalty.

empty square, AC 5 :smallbiggrin:

[Boci]

empty square, AC 5 :smallbiggrin:

It makes sense. If you can deflect an incoming attack into another creature, you should be able to deflect it into an empty space.

[Elfin]

Quite. :smallcool:

[Chen]

Manticore parry is pretty bad. By RAW you have to target another creature with it (not an empty square) but the bigger issue is the fact it only works on manufactured weapons. There are too many monsters that just use their natural weapons, making this a pretty subpar maneuver to have readied. Wall of blades is preferable since it can deflect both touch attacks and natural weapons.

[Augmented Lurk]

Scything Blade is pretty terrible. It's strictly inferior to dancing mongoose in every way possible, and not worthy of being a seventh level maneuver. Also I think Finishing Move is a bit overrated. Doing an additional 14d6 damage is pretty useless when the opponent is almost dead anyway.

[Obscurejones]

Just found this thread while looking for Warblade advice. Liking it. Keep up the good work.

[Tael]

Manticore parry is pretty bad. By RAW you have to target another creature with it (not an empty square) but the bigger issue is the fact it only works on manufactured weapons. There are too many monsters that just use their natural weapons, making this a pretty subpar maneuver to have readied. Wall of blades is preferable since it can deflect both touch attacks and natural weapons.

:smallconfused: Where are you getting this from?


When you initiate this maneuver, you
can attempt to block an enemy’s melee
attack that targets you and redirect it to
another target adjacent to you.

Any melee attack, and the only qualifier for re-direction is "another target".

[Draz74]

Oh, I'm also surprised to see Iron Heart Focus = cyan. It never really stood out to me as being a great maneuver. Handy, of course, but when it's competing with so many other cool moves for the Warblade's sparse Readied selection ...

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Any melee attack, and the only qualifier for re-direction is "another target".

Here's a really cheesy way to use this:

It never explicitly prohibits the attacker as 'another target', just that it is a target other than yourself. And your attacker is generally going to be adjacent to you. So you can literally cause him to be hit by his own attack. Have a nice day.

[FelixG]

:smallconfused: Where are you getting this from?

Sadly he is right about the things it can be used against

At the bottom of the entry it says:



This maneuver functions only against
armed melee attacks. You cannot use it
against unarmed attacks, natural weapons,
or touch spells.


He is wrong about the definition of another target though



Here's a really cheesy way to use this:

It never explicitly prohibits the attacker as 'another target', just that it is a target other than yourself. And your attacker is generally going to be adjacent to you. So you can literally cause him to be hit by his own attack. Have a nice day.

This 0.o is awesome

[Runestar]

I am more concerned about manticore parry requiring opposed attack rolls. Any melee attacker worth his salt will likely have the advantage in this aspect, so it seems to have a fairly low chance of success.

I use wall of blades primarily to boost my touch AC, so the warblade would haev a fairly high chance of success.


Scything Blade is pretty terrible. It's strictly inferior to dancing mongoose in every way possible, and not worthy of being a seventh level maneuver.

I agree that scything blade's benefit seems quite weak for its level. However, unlike dancing mongoose, it can be combined with a strike maneuver, and you don't need to make a full attack. So if you want an extra attack in tandem with diamond blade nightmare or strike of perfect clarity, you have to burn a slot for this or do without.


Also I think Finishing Move is a bit overrated. Doing an additional 14d6 damage is pretty useless when the opponent is almost dead anyway.

An opponent at half life can still have a healthy chunk of hp (eg: dragons or the tarrasque). I just wish there were a more reliable way of ascertaining when an enemy fell below 1/2 life. :smalltongue:

[Dusk Eclipse]

I am more concerned about manticore parry requiring opposed attack rolls. Any melee attacker worth his salt will likely have the advantage in this aspect, so it seems to have a fairly low chance of success.

I use wall of blades primarily to boost my touch AC, so the warblade would haev a fairly high chance of success.



I agree that scything blade's benefit seems quite weak for its level. However, unlike dancing mongoose, it can be combined with a strike maneuver, and you don't need to make a full attack. So if you want an extra attack in tandem with diamond blade nightmare or strike of perfect clarity, you have to burn a slot for this or do without.



An opponent at half life can still have a healthy chunk of hp (eg: dragons or the tarrasque). I just wish there were a more reliable way of ascertaining when an enemy fell below 1/2 life. :smalltongue:

Since we started playing 4e in addition to 3.5 my DM always tells when an enemy is bloodied (at half HP for the one who don't know).... just figure you may ask you DM to do the same (I know it is a houserule or most likely a mannerism taken after playing 4e regularly)