Sole remaining son...

[brionl]

Leaves room for one or more surviving daughters from one of the plethora of Mrs Tarquins.

[Strife Warzeal]

I think there was previous discussions similar to this, I THINK(emphasis on think) the general consensus was that Tarquin killed his wives before they gave birth (maybe shortly after pregnancy).

[NerfTW]

I think there was previous discussions similar to this, I THINK(emphasis on think) the general consensus was that Tarquin killed his wives before they gave birth (maybe shortly after pregnancy).

Given that there is absolutely, positively no evidence one way or the other, how exactly could any "consensus" be reached. All we know is he raised Nale, and Elan's mother took him with her. We also only know of one dead wife. There is no evidence that he didn't have a daughter with any of his other wives who might have taken her with them when they left.

[Strife Warzeal]

Well there is also a general consensus sometimes my head creates scenarios that never happened no matter how firmly I think they actually did happen.

[Zevox]

Given that there is absolutely, positively no evidence one way or the other, how exactly could any "consensus" be reached. All we know is he raised Nale, and Elan's mother took him with her. We also only know of one dead wife. There is no evidence that he didn't have a daughter with any of his other wives who might have taken her with them when they left.
Actually, that's not true. He told Elan here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0751.html) that he has been going out of his way to avoid having any further children since he divorced Elan's mother due to how Nale turned out. I suppose you could question whether he was lying, but it is the one remark we have in the comic on the subject, and on its face indicates that Tarquin has no other children in spite of his many wives.

Zevox

[brionl]

Actually, that's not true. He told Elan here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0751.html) that he has been going out of his way to avoid having any further children since he divorced Elan's mother due to how Nale turned out. I suppose you could question whether he was lying, but it is the one remark we have in the comic on the subject, and on its face indicates that Tarquin has no other children in spite of his many wives.

Zevox

It's an indication that way, but he didn't specifically say he has no other children. So, wiggle room.

[Strife Warzeal]

It's an indication that way, but he didn't specifically say he has no other children. So, wiggle room.

This forum works so well with wiggle room. (I don't mean this in a bad way. Just look at a decent amount of arguments here and how little wiggle room is needed for people to come up with crazy 'fitting' sides of the argument.)

Though with all we have learned from Tarquin in this short amount of time, I think he would probably just kill the wife opposed to have any risk of another Nale.

[Morquard]

Yeah, I believe Tarquin would kill his wifes when he gets bored with them.

But would he kill them just because they're pregnant? I don't know. He seems to genuinely love Elan, and I think he loved Nale too, perhaps still does, even though he might not want to admit it anymore.
I don't think he'd murder his own unborn kid just because he doesn't want anymore.

There's probably spells or magical ointments that work for birth control, he might have refered to that when he said he was going out of his way to not have any more kids.

[hamishspence]

In Faerun, there are herbs for it- those set a precedent for natural ways of inhibiting fertility in D&D.

[Niknokitueu]

My guess is that there won't be any daughters coming out of the woodwork. The reason? This whole Elan/Nale thing is a Good/Evil Twin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=9870914) trope (egad, do you know just how many of the possible invoked tropes he has already played? See the description paragraph, and compare to our story...). Although Rich could subvert the trope, after 700+ pages it probably wouldn't even work as a brick joke (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrickJoke). A jurassic brick, maybe?

Anyway, given that Rich already has the storyline all mapped out, we will just have to wait and see.

Have Fun!
Niknokitueu
[eidt] ps. Mind you, Tarquin does have a habit (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0757.html) of telling Jedi Truths (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FromACertainPointOfView)...

[cdstephens]

Actually, that's not true. He told Elan here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0751.html) that he has been going out of his way to avoid having any further children since he divorced Elan's mother due to how Nale turned out. I suppose you could question whether he was lying, but it is the one remark we have in the comic on the subject, and on its face indicates that Tarquin has no other children in spite of his many wives.

Zevox

A lawful evil person wouldn't lie unless he had something to gain from lying, so I think it's the truth. How would he gain after all for keeping his son secret from Elan?

[SPoD]

In Faerun, there are herbs for it- those set a precedent for natural ways of inhibiting fertility in D&D.

No need for that. Eugene specifically mentions a "protection spell" that failed and, nine months later, led to Roy's birth in On the Origin of PCs. So magical contraception is established fact in this world, and there's no reason to assume that Tarquin necessarily killed any of his wives (for that reason).

[hamishspence]

Good point.

[NerfTW]

Actually, that's not true. He told Elan here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0751.html) that he has been going out of his way to avoid having any further children since he divorced Elan's mother due to how Nale turned out. I suppose you could question whether he was lying, but it is the one remark we have in the comic on the subject, and on its face indicates that Tarquin has no other children in spite of his many wives.

Zevox

Aw, I forgot about that.

[Zevox]

There's probably spells or magical ointments that work for birth control, he might have refered to that when he said he was going out of his way to not have any more kids.
Likely. In On the Origin of PCs Eugene refers to the "protection spell" he and Sarah were using failing and Roy being the result, so it seems there is magic used for birth control in the OotS world. Tarquin may not be a mage, but I'd wager it wouldn't be hard for him to employ one who could provide such magic.

Edit: Damn, missed SPoD's post...


A lawful evil person wouldn't lie unless he had something to gain from lying, so I think it's the truth. How would he gain after all for keeping his son secret from Elan?
Depends on who his son or daughter is. If he has another child who is more loyal to him than Nale, he or she could be a secret weapon against Elan, or other would-be heroes attempting to take him out.

Not entirely likely, I agree, but the possibility is out there.

Zevox

[brionl]

Depends on who his son or daughter is. If he has another child who is more loyal to him than Nale, he or she could be a secret weapon against Elan, or other would-be heroes attempting to take him out.

Not entirely likely, I agree, but the possibility is out there.

Zevox

Yeah, Tarquin was pretty specific with his "sole remaning son" instead of "only child". Sounds like a Jedi truth to me.

[Felixc-91]

Yeah, Tarquin was pretty specific with his "sole remaning son" instead of "only child". Sounds like a Jedi truth to me.
hmmmm, a female version of elan... yep, instant fan base boost...:smallamused:

[tcrudisi]

Actually, that's not true. He told Elan here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0751.html) that he has been going out of his way to avoid having any further children since he divorced Elan's mother due to how Nale turned out. I suppose you could question whether he was lying, but it is the one remark we have in the comic on the subject, and on its face indicates that Tarquin has no other children in spite of his many wives.

Zevox

And I find that argument silly. How old does a child have to be before you can say you don't want any more due to "how he turns out"? I'd imagine it would have to be fairly old. I mean, you don't really know how they turn out until they are practically an adult.

That leaves plenty of time to have other children.

Don't get me wrong; I believe he's only had Elan and Nale, but that's a belief based upon no fact.


hmmmm, a female version of elan... yep, instant fan base boost...:smallamused:

Only if she also knows how to go invisible. :smalltongue: