Jedi/Sith in D&D

[umbrapolaris]

my question is : how to introduce Force-users in a d&d campaign ?

they will be the "ancestor" of the d20/saga Starwars Jedi without technology of course (maybe steampunk at worst) with a deeper and wider knowledge of the Force (means more mystical powers).

i thought about Psion as a base structure, with Mindblade abilities (for the lightsaber).

what is your ideas?

[Eldan]

I'd rather use the Psychic Warrior, with maybe a little more Telekinesis added. They already have an ability that lets them get a Mindblade.

[hamishspence]

On Dathomir, many of the Witches use gestures, incantations, and even spell components- though Luke points out these are crutches and they don't really need them.

Sith have some things "Sith Sorcery" "Sith Alchemy" which are very magic-like.

So it may not require much to be changed.

[umbrapolaris]

yes, i was thinking about it too, maybe add more clairsentience powers too.

another question is how to implement the Sith faster and easier road of the Dark Side

[Dusk Eclipse]

IIRC Person_Man made a force adept class, might be a good idea to look into it.

[Yora]

The dark side is pretty much the same as Taint. And there are ways to increase a spellcasters power with taint, but they are usually considered teribly overpowered.
I think the Tainted Sorcerer prestige class in the SRD could easily be adapted for psionic characters, if you want to got that way.

[hamishspence]

The dark side is pretty much the same as Taint. And there are ways to increase a spellcasters power with taint, but they are usually considered teribly overpowered.
I think the Tainted Sorcerer prestige class in the SRD could easily be adapted for psionic characters, if you want to got that way.

From the WOTC site (Heroes of Horror taint system):

Subverted Psion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20051125a)
Subverted Psions in the world (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20051130a)

[gkathellar]

I've heard that Subverted Psion is broken hard, though I haven't looked at it in any detail myself.

If there's no technology, there's no reason these proto-Jedi should have lightsabers. That's pretty high tech. Psychic Warrior with some of its body-shaping powers removed should be fine.

[AstralFire]

I've heard that Subverted Psion is broken hard, though I haven't looked at it in any detail myself.

If there's no technology, there's no reason these proto-Jedi should have lightsabers. That's pretty high tech. Psychic Warrior with some of its body-shaping powers removed should be fine.

I think he means proto-Jedi in the sense of feel and not the actual precursors to the Jedi Order.

[hamishspence]

I've heard that Subverted Psion is broken hard, though I haven't looked at it in any detail myself.

If it's just a psionic version of Tainted Scholar, it may be broken the same way.

A bit of DM work could "un-break" it though.


I think he means proto-Jedi in the sense of feel and not the actual precursors to the Jedi Order.

In the Darth Bane trilogy- it mentions a legend of the birth of the Jedi Order- on a world called Tython in the Deep Core. Two factions, drawing their power from different sources,

(One, Ashla- "all the compassion and mercy in the universe"- the other- Boga - unrestricted emotion and passion)

fight- the followers of Boga are driven into exile, the first lightsabers are made, and the followers of Ashla also leave.

As the two integrate into the rest of the galactic community, Ashla and Boga become known as the Light and Dark sides of the Force.

[umbrapolaris]

thanks,

dont worry with "broken" things, my DM always manage with these ^^

for the lightsaber fluff , i remembered a book who use mindblade's manifestation as a feat. i will adapt it for the jedi to manifest through a "handle" , and in the original star wars, lightsabers use crystals in their mechanism. i think a crystal "handle" will make it.

i didnt know for the Ashla & Boga.

[Shpadoinkle]

I'd use the psychic warrior or soulknife. Or some mashup of the two. Maybe limit the powers they can learn to what's thematically appropriate in exchange for full BAB.

[Yora]

You don't exactly need lightsabres to have two psionic factions that are at constant war with each other. If it's lightsabres or normal bastard swords really doesn't make any difference at all.
The only real effect they have is that they identify a force user to everyone who sees someone weilding one, but it shouldn't be a problem to find something else that can play this role.

[Kurtmuran]

there are jedi base class in a wiki

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Jedi_Guardian_%28D20_Modern_Base_Class%29

[cooperflood]

Probably the best way to build a Jedi in D&D (without using homebrew) is Psychic Warrior with a Soulbound Weapon (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070214a). At later levels you may want to take EK: Telekinetic Thrust.

[The Antigamer]

Remember, the first Jedi/Sith didn't even have lightsabers, they had crystal swords they filled with the force.

[hamishspence]

It says metal swords here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Wars

On lightsabers- apparently it was the Sith who improved them significantly from requiring belt packs, to the more modern style:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

[The Antigamer]

It says metal swords here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Wars

On lightsabers- apparently it was the Sith who improved them significantly from requiring belt packs, to the more modern style:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber

Hmmm, weird, they always looked like crystal to me.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081024125333/starwars/hu/images/3/30/800px-TheyFightin1.jpg

[hamishspence]

While Sith Swords are also said to be metal:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_sword

a lot of alchemical and magical treatment is used- that might explain the odd appearance.

[umbrapolaris]

On lightsabers- apparently it was the Sith who improved them significantly from requiring belt packs, to the more modern style:


Sith rulez, as always ^^

[Ossian]

Or you can snatch a copy of "Star Wars RCR" which is 3.5 ed. mechanics and use the Force Adept class. If you get "heroes of the galaxy" there is a feat that is called "Spellcasting" or something like that. Basically it lets you "interpret" your force powers as spells , they take longer (I guess no less that a standard action or a fll round action) but they cost less Vitality Points (the RCR made use of the wound points (= CON score) vs vitality points, which is one of my favourites).

The force adept is a mid BAB class, with interesting powers, which does not have too many game breaking features (at least, not compared to a Sith Lord PrC). You can branch off into more martial classes later on with Powers of the Jedi and The Dark Side Sourcebook, which describe classes such as the "sith warrior" the "force warrior" and the "dark side marauder" etc...

All in all, even if you don t use the whole ruleset, it s a good investment. If you can find a copy and you and your pals chip in a few bucks you ll have good material available.

Cheers,

O.