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Tanuki Tales
2010-12-22, 08:56 PM
Have there been any third party d20 system books or conversions from non-d20 system books to d20 that pull off a Therianthrope template better than 3.5 or Pathfinder have done?

If not, has anyone homebrewed up one that they can link me to?

Tanuki Tales
2010-12-23, 10:57 AM
So there is none?

Coidzor
2010-12-23, 11:38 AM
There's some homebrew here on GITP that I recall seeing that seemed to have promise. I believe it was as part of a greater Savage Progressions thread. But sadly I don't have a link. I'd recommend doing a search of the Homebrew subforum for werewolf, savage progression and see what you can find from there.

Tanuki Tales
2010-12-23, 12:03 PM
There's some homebrew here on GITP that I recall seeing that seemed to have promise. I believe it was as part of a greater Savage Progressions thread. But sadly I don't have a link. I'd recommend doing a search of the Homebrew subforum for werewolf, savage progression and see what you can find from there.

Was it just Werewolf though?

Coidzor
2010-12-23, 12:08 PM
Was it just Werewolf though?

There were a number of individual cases in the main conglomerate thread. Werewolf is just the one that I know for sure was in there.

Tanuki Tales
2010-12-23, 12:10 PM
There were a number of individual cases in the main conglomerate thread. Werewolf is just the one that I know for sure was in there.

Alright, thanks. I'll try to search for it, though that'd require me to get the Search function to work the way I want it to.

Coidzor
2010-12-23, 12:14 PM
Yeah, it can be screwy. Advanced search is pretty much strictly necessary and between 2-3 attempts at minimum more often than not.

Here's a link to their therianthrope guidelines (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9790594&postcount=1221)from the big thread.

Werespider. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9172249&postcount=1384)

Monster Class Thread IV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177708&highlight=racial+progression+class)

The newest Monster Class Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178692&highlight=racial+progression+class)

Tanuki Tales
2010-12-23, 12:16 PM
Yeah, it can be screwy. Advanced search is pretty much strictly necessary and between 2-3 attempts at minimum more often than not.

Here's a link to their therianthrope guidelines (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9790594&postcount=1221)from the big thread.

Werespider. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9172249&postcount=1384)

Monster Class Thread IV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177708&highlight=racial+progression+class)

The newest Monster Class Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178692&highlight=racial+progression+class)

Now those guidelines were something of what I was looking for! Thanks!

DementedFellow
2010-12-24, 02:17 AM
Am I the only one who felt like raging upon learning that there is a word like therianthrope? I'm all for political correctness, but what was wrong with using the out-dated word "weres"? Heck, even Man-Beast would be an easier pill to swallow.

I realize the OP didn't create this word, but no one batted an eye upon its use. Is it really that commonplace a word that everyone is complacent with its use?

Coidzor
2010-12-24, 02:32 AM
Eh? :smallconfused:

I... I think so. What with the fact that I was the only person to reply up to you. I've run into far more people who are annoyed at how many people misapply lycanthrope and lycanthropy to apply to all instances of werecreatures.

I mean, the way you phrased this complaint of yours sounds like the usual way I've heard the ubiquity of the term lycanthrope bemoaned. Except I can't tell if this was intentional on your part in an attempt to create humor or not. :/

The Glyphstone
2010-12-24, 02:41 AM
I prefer Emantothrophes, myself.:smallwink:

DementedFellow
2010-12-24, 02:43 AM
It was part of my own curiosity that fueled it. I googled the wikipedia article. It's a fairly new word as far as things go. And it's just needless semantics. I realize it's a stupid reason to get rage-y, which does little to make me any less rage-y.

Escheton
2010-12-24, 04:58 AM
rage against anything furry

meh, furry, bah humbug

Leon
2010-12-24, 06:25 AM
Have there been any third party d20 system books or conversions from non-d20 system books to d20 that pull off a Therianthrope template better than 3.5 or Pathfinder have done?

If not, has anyone homebrewed up one that they can link me to?

What are your standards to being better - for if noone else has done any then how are they bad?

The_Scourge
2010-12-24, 11:20 AM
Therianthropy has been used since the early 1900s so it's certainly not a new term.
As a bit of language buff, lycanthropy being used for anything but wolves has Always bugged me. I'll admit though, Therianthropy doesn't roll off the tongue quite as nicely

DementedFellow
2010-12-24, 12:22 PM
Therianthropy has been used since the early 1900s so it's certainly not a new term.
As a bit of language buff, lycanthropy being used for anything but wolves has Always bugged me. I'll admit though, Therianthropy doesn't roll off the tongue quite as nicely

See, I would argue that since it came into being just over 100 years ago it's a fairly new term. And it's not needed. It's not like there are really people who can change into animals. So why the need to assign a clinical term for it? Next someone will tell me that there is a clinical term for the Boogeyman or Gremlins.

Coidzor
2010-12-24, 12:27 PM
So, anyone else know of third party were creatures? I think the Tome of Horrors (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8044918)has some. At least, I think they might've brought back the Asswere (http://www.headinjurytheater.com/article73.htm).

And for you, (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040614x) Glyphstone (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a). . :smallwink: . (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040705a) Merry (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040614a)Christmas (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040628a).

DementedFellow
2010-12-24, 12:48 PM
^: You didn't know that? Because they did that ages ago, practically every little bestiary of monsters and folk creatures nowadays likes to put a little twist on that using ye olde binomial nomenclature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_nomenclature) or some other form of "the old words." Though "clinical" is the wrong word for it. :smallwink:


So you would prefer I would say scientific term when indeed there is no evidence they exist in the first place? And I passed high school biology, I'm well aware that they use latin origin root words because latin is a dead language and is not apt to have words be introduced into it, unlike English which takes in any new word, "googled" for example.

I didn't see a list of the "binomial nomenclature" of the fanciful critters like you promised though. So is there a list that has gargoyles and fairies and stuff like that in scientific lingo?

Let's look at it from a different perspective. Let's say you are a writer and you write this great story about this evil guy who can change into a monstrous badger and terrorizes a small suburban area. Now, would you be more apt to call it Badger-Man or even Badger-Kin or would you call it a Therianthrope? Especially when the term Therianthrope takes away any flavor of beast the guy can change into. It is a vague term designed to be a catch-all term, but it does little in adding to the majesty that is something supernatural.

Someone mentioned it's a rage against furry. No, it's not. It's like those people who correct others saying Frankenstein was really originally called Frankenstein's Monster. Despite when people hear Frankenstein, we think of the monster first. There comes a time when the public association of the word surpasses the legitimate word that should be used with it. It just sounds hoity-toity.

The_Scourge
2010-12-24, 12:54 PM
See, I would argue that since it came into being just over 100 years ago it's a fairly new term. And it's not needed. It's not like there are really people who can change into animals. So why the need to assign a clinical term for it? Next someone will tell me that there is a clinical term for the Boogeyman or Gremlins.

The term is mostly used in an athropological context refering to mythology. The term therianthropy may be new (relatively speaking) the concept of shapeshifters is present in thousands of myths and legends worldwide.

DementedFellow
2010-12-24, 01:03 PM
The term is mostly used in an athropological context refering to mythology. The term therianthropy may be new (relatively speaking) the concept of shapeshifters is present in thousands of myths and legends worldwide.

And I'm all for an interest in common mythologies or even a specific one. But when it tries to pervade a subset of popular culture then it bothers me. Okay, let's say I was looking for a way to build different kinds of shapeshifters within the terms of the game. And let's say I didn't know the term therianthrope. Searching on my own I may not get the information I need since other people have needlessly adopted this word that doesn't even resemble the one I am looking for.

It's like rule 8 of writing: Never use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.

The_Scourge
2010-12-24, 01:29 PM
But since shapeshifter encompasses things like dopplegangers and rakshasas you Do need to be more specific

averagejoe
2010-12-24, 02:09 PM
The Mod They Call Me: This has gotten pretty off topic. Please quit this discussion on the merits of, "Therianthrope."

Thurbane
2011-01-20, 08:40 PM
I believe this still falls within the 6 week rule...
The excellent 3rd party Tome of Horros has a really good (IMHO) Therianthrope template. You can see it discussed here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9337231&postcount=377

HunterOfJello
2011-01-20, 08:49 PM
The Divine Minion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a) template can get you access to quite a few different animals. They're all non-magical animals though, unlike Werewolves.

Being able to turn into a Brown bear, constrictor snake, crocodile, jackal (dog), Large giant scorpion, Medium viper, or Medium giant scorpion at-will as a free action is pretty badass.