ffone
2011-01-08, 05:20 PM
You cast a targeted, with-a-save spell like Charm/Hold/Dominate Person, Destruciton, etc. against a foe. It fails. Can you tell whether it failed b/c they made a save vs had Spell Resistance you failed to overcome vs immunity from something like Mind Blank / Freedom of Movement / they're undead and you didn't recognize it?
I vaguely remember something in the SRD/PHB/DMG saying that you know when a creature makes a save vs a spell of yours, but can't find it now. (If a creature has immunity, I'm guessing that would apply 'first' and they'd never roll the fated-to-not-matter-anyway save?) If so, you'd get some information (if you know they made a Will save vs your charm/dominate, clearly they don't have mind blank or a similar mind-affecting immunity, etc.)
Closest I found is
"The Spell’s Result
Once you know which creatures (or objects or areas) are affected, and whether those creatures have made successful saving throws (if any were allowed), you can apply whatever results a spell entails."
from
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm
But it's not clear me whether they mean 'you know whether they made a save', or are merely saying 'if you know / in cases where you can know..' (such as knowing that the spell succeeded, but not necessarily why it failed if it failed).
I vaguely remember something in the SRD/PHB/DMG saying that you know when a creature makes a save vs a spell of yours, but can't find it now. (If a creature has immunity, I'm guessing that would apply 'first' and they'd never roll the fated-to-not-matter-anyway save?) If so, you'd get some information (if you know they made a Will save vs your charm/dominate, clearly they don't have mind blank or a similar mind-affecting immunity, etc.)
Closest I found is
"The Spell’s Result
Once you know which creatures (or objects or areas) are affected, and whether those creatures have made successful saving throws (if any were allowed), you can apply whatever results a spell entails."
from
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm
But it's not clear me whether they mean 'you know whether they made a save', or are merely saying 'if you know / in cases where you can know..' (such as knowing that the spell succeeded, but not necessarily why it failed if it failed).