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Cookiemobsta
2011-01-17, 12:11 PM
(In honor of MLK day, here is one of MLK's best speeches. Enjoy!)

And then the Greek language comes out with another word. It’s the word agape. Agape is more than Eros; it’s more than an aesthetic or romantic love; it is more than friendship. Agape is understanding creative, redemptive goodwill for all men. It is an overflowing love which seeks nothing in return. Theologians would say that it is the love of God operating in the human heart. And so when one rises to love on this level, he loves every man, not because he likes him, not because his ways appeal to him, but he loves every man because God loves him, and he rises to the level of loving the person who does an evil deed, while hating the deed that the person does.

And I believe that it is this kind of love that can take us through this period of transition and we can come to that brighter day. This is what we've tried to do. In the midst of our struggle we haven't always succeeded, but somehow in some of the dark moments we have been able to stand up before our violent oppressors and say:

We will match your capacity to inflict suffering with our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you. We cannot in all good conscience obey your unjust laws because non-cooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. And so throw us in jail and we will still love you. Burn our homes and threaten our children and, as difficult as it is, we will still love you. Yes, send your hooded perpetrators of violence into our communities at the midnight hours and drag us out on some wayside road and beat us and leave us half dead, and as difficult as it is, we will still love you. But be assured that we will wear you down by our capacity to suffer and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves, we will so appeal to your heart and your conscience that we will win you in the process and our victory will be a double victory.
We know that in the final analysis God is not interested merely in the freedom of black men and brown men and yellow men; but God is interested in the freedom of the whole human race, and the creation of a society where all men will live together as brothers and every man will respect the dignity and the worth of human personality, and so the challenge ahead is to move out with a strong action program undergirded by a philosophy and methodology of nonviolence.

If we are to solve this problem really, we must continue to have a sort of divine discontent. Modern psychology has a word that is probably used more than any other word in psychology -- it is the word "maladjusted." And this word is the ringing pride of modern child psychology, and suddenly we want to live a well adjusted life in order to avoid neurotic and schizophrenic personalities.

I would like to say to you this evening my friends that there are some things within our nation and within the world of which I am proud to be maladjusted, which I call upon all men of goodwill to be maladjusted until the Good Society is realized. I must honestly say to you that I never intend to become adjusted to racial segregation and discrimination. I never intend to adjust myself to religious bigotry. I never intend to become adjusted to economic conditions that would take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few. I never intend to become adjusted to the madness of militarism and the self defeating effects of physical violence.

It may well be that we need a new organization in our world: The International Association for the Advancement of Creative Maladjustment. Men and women who will be as maladjusted as the prophet Amos, who in the midst of the injustices of his day could cry out in words that echo across the centuries: "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream"; as maladjusted as Abraham Lincoln, who had the vision to see that this nation could not survive half slave and half free; as maladjusted as Thomas Jefferson, who in the midst of an age amazingly adjusted to slavery could scratch across the pages of history words lifted to cosmic proportions: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"; as maladjusted as our Lord and our Master who would say to the men and women around Galilee: "He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword" and who could look into their eyes and say "love your enemies," bless them that curse you, "pray for them that despitefully use you." And through such maladjustment we will be able to emerge from the bleak and desolate midnight of man's inhumanity to man into the bright and glittering daybreak of freedom and justice.

And so I call upon you tonight not to be spectators on the sideline, not to be individuals who are looking on, but to be involved participants in this great struggle to make our nation a greater nation and to end all of the evils of racial injustice, poverty, and the evil of war.
I must admit to you that there are not always pleasant moments when you stand up in this struggle. I must be honest enough to say to you if you stand up in this struggle it may mean that you will have to suffer for righteousness sake.

The thing that must always console us is that as we struggle, we do not struggle alone. And there is something in our Christian faith to remind us of this: The God that we worship is not some Aristotelian "unmoved mover" who merely contemplates upon himself. He’s not merely a self-knowing God, but He’s an other-loving God working through history for the salvation of his children. And there is an event at the center of our faith which reminds us that Good Friday may occupy the throne for a day, but ultimately it must give way to the triumphant beat of the drums of Easter. There is something in our faith which reminds us that evil may so shape events that Caesar will occupy the palace and Christ the cross, but one day that same Christ will rise up and split history into AD and BC so that even the life of Caesar must be dated by his name.

There is something in this universe which justifies Carlyle in saying, “...no lie can live forever.” There is something in this universe which justifies William Cullen Bryant in saying, "Truth, crushed to earth, [shall] rise again. There is something in the very structure of the cosmos which justifies James Russell Lowell in saying,

Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,— Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown, Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.

This is our faith, and this is what will carry us through.

Thank you

DraPrime
2011-01-17, 12:14 PM
Random fact: Martin Luther King is the only person in America who has their own day. Some presidents have their birthdays, but no one has an official holiday devoted solely to them.

Random facts aside, Martin Luther King was indeed an impressive man.

*tips hat*

Liriel
2011-01-17, 12:26 PM
Actually, that depends on where (and according to the wiki, now when) you were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Jackson%E2%80%93King_Day

It seems Lee-Jackson Day is now the Friday before MLK Day, but for years they were all celebrated on the same day.

Yes, we in Virginia celebrated Stonewall Jackson...MLK...and Robert E. Lee all on the same day. Think about that.

DraPrime
2011-01-17, 12:26 PM
Actually, that depends on where (and according to the wiki, now when) you were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Jackson%E2%80%93King_Day

It seems Lee-Jackson Day is now the Friday before MLK Day, but for years they were all celebrated on the same day.

Yes, we in Virginia celebrated Stonewall Jackson...MLK...and Robert E. Lee all on the same day. Think about that.

Well then, MLK is the only man with his own day on the national scale. Although celebrating those three people together is a bit...weird.

Heliomance
2011-01-17, 01:03 PM
Is this not treading perilously close to the politics rule?

Dacia Brabant
2011-01-17, 01:32 PM
If we reduce the truths that Martin Luther King Jr. stood for to mere "politics," then it means we've failed. Besides, there have been threads for Independence Day and Bastille Day.

Now I can see how the posted speech would violate forum rules on religion. For a statement that's not as heavy on the God talk, here is MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/03/civil-rights-and-black-identity/4608/5/).

Heliomance
2011-01-17, 01:35 PM
It may not be mere politics, but it certainly contains politics, and the board seems to apply better safe than sorry to such things.

pendell
2011-01-17, 01:47 PM
Well, I wish everyone a happy Martin Luther King day. I subscribe to those ideals.

Of course, to move away from the real world, we should note that Dr. King had a profound impact on OOTS-world as well! I note that Redcloak quoted his speech in SOD, and I have to wonder if the world of OOTS would be quite the same if Dr. King had never existed. Pre-MLK, in Tolkien's era, things were black and white. Evil orcs on one side, good humans and sparkly elves on the other. You really could tell who the good guys and bad guys were in that world just by looking at the length of their teeth and the color of their skin.

No more.


I wonder what other fantasy worlds have been impacted by Dr. King's legacy?

Respectfully,

Brian P.

SMEE
2011-01-17, 02:44 PM
The Rainbow Mod: Please, let us stay away from discussing politics in this thread.

Keld Denar
2011-01-17, 03:15 PM
Columbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day) has his own day as well, and its a federal holiday in the US. I guess "technically" hes not an American...but if you wanna play that card, technically NONE of us are Americans (well, those of us who live in America, not any of you other people who live outside of America, although you're not American's either, so...I dunno what I'm saying...)

Ichneumon
2011-01-17, 04:28 PM
He was a great man.

"True peace is not merely the absence of tension: it is the presence of justice."

Blue Ghost
2011-01-17, 05:35 PM
Thank you, MLK, for your shining light of love and justice. May your legacy persist in each new generation, and may your vision come closer to fruition each day. :smallsmile:

Knaight
2011-01-17, 05:58 PM
Columbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day) has his own day as well, and its a federal holiday in the US. I guess "technically" hes not an American...but if you wanna play that card, technically NONE of us are Americans (well, those of us who live in America, not any of you other people who live outside of America, although you're not American's either, so...I dunno what I'm saying...)

Though one can feel much better about having Martin Luther King day. Colombus really didn't do much of anything, other than slave taking, lying to monarchs, and spreading disease. Martin Luther King, on the other hand, was a great man and great leader.

Keld Denar
2011-01-17, 06:08 PM
Yea, that was mostly a reply to Dragonprime, who stated that MLK was the only dude with his own day. Columbus also has his own day, which is ALSO a federal holiday.

And yea, MLK was a kool dewd. Columbus was just lucky he didn't fall off the end of the world. :smallcool:

AsteriskAmp
2011-01-17, 06:23 PM
Is anyone else annoyed by the over-abundance of "Got Mlk?" posters recently cropping up in several places?

Ichneumon
2011-01-17, 07:20 PM
Is anyone else annoyed by the over-abundance of "Got Mlk?" posters recently cropping up in several places?

Please elaborate.

ScottishDragon
2011-01-17, 07:24 PM
Martin Luther King Jr, he is a great man and deserves this holiday. I wonder what America would be like withought him, would someone else have stood up and took his place, or would it be like before and no one would have stood up? Anyways I am thankfull for him and wish you all a happy Martin Luther King Jr day!

Keld Denar
2011-01-17, 07:26 PM
American Dairy Farmers started an ad campaign what...10 years ago? with the tag line: Got Milk?

If you drop the i from it, you get: Got MLK?

Basically, "Do you have the moral integrity/fortitude to stand up and make a difference against social injustice like MLK?"

AsteriskAmp
2011-01-17, 07:26 PM
Please elaborate.


http://cagle.com/news/MLK11/images/granlund.jpg
http://cagle.com/news/MLK11/images/payne88.jpg


This is all of the non-politicals I can gather, the rest has Got Mlk? with images that may spur political debate.

Douglas
2011-01-18, 01:11 AM
And yea, MLK was a kool dewd. Columbus was just lucky he didn't fall off the end of the world. :smallcool:
No, Columbus was lucky that an unknown continent saved him from death due to miscalculating the Earth's circumference. He thought that the distance from Europe's west coast to Asia's east coast - combining the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the American continents - was about as long as the distance from Europe to America actually is.

Keld Denar
2011-01-18, 01:50 AM
Eh, same thing, as history would have written it...for the first few years at least, until someone else decided to try it and survived to tell the tale.

Killer Angel
2011-01-18, 05:19 AM
Colombus really didn't do much of anything, other than slave taking, lying to monarchs, and spreading disease.

Don't forget mistaking one continent for another... :smalltongue:


Martin Luther King, on the other hand, was a great man and great leader.

To be fair, also Columbus was a great man (although if in very different ways from MLK).
Anyone ready to cross open ocean on wooden ships, against superstitions, into (literally) the unknown, it's worth some respect... :smallwink:

Knaight
2011-01-18, 06:29 PM
Anyone ready to cross open ocean on wooden ships, against superstitions, into (literally) the unknown, it's worth some respect... :smallwink:

It was known that the earth was round, Columbus merely failed horribly calculating its circumference, thinking he had easy wealth. He was stupid, greedy, and lucky far more than he was brave.

Rockphed
2011-01-18, 07:00 PM
Martin Luther King Jr, he is a great man and deserves this holiday. I wonder what America would be like withought him, would someone else have stood up and took his place, or would it be like before and no one would have stood up? Anyways I am thankfull for him and wish you all a happy Martin Luther King Jr day!

Ever read "The Postman" by David Brinn? Long story short, the main character wanders for 15 years after the end looking for someone being responsible and trying to rebuild the fallen world. About the beginning of the third chapter, he finds that the only way to get on is to do the standing up himself. I think, perhaps, Martin Luther King Jr had a similar realization.

I like to think that had Dr King never been, somebody else would have stood up in his place, and if not, that I would stand up in his place(though I think, all things considered, that my standing up would be almost meaningless as I come from the privileged end of society as opposed to the oppressed), but I know in my heart that I do not have the strength of character to stand in his place. I hope to build and grow that strength of character, but I have little hope for success. Furthermore, it is my fervent prayer that I never need the will to stand against the whole world.

Knaight
2011-01-18, 07:47 PM
I like to think that had Dr King never been, somebody else would have stood up in his place, and if not, that I would stand up in his place(though I think, all things considered, that my standing up would be almost meaningless as I come from the privileged end of society as opposed to the oppressed), but I know in my heart that I do not have the strength of character to stand in his place. I hope to build and grow that strength of character, but I have little hope for success. Furthermore, it is my fervent prayer that I never need the will to stand against the whole world.
Plenty of people were standing up, in a variety of ways. Martin Luther King merely did so in a way that is extremely difficult, did so throughout his life, and was very successful. Its not as if nobody would have stood up without him. Look at Malcolm X, his contemporary, with his own method. Look at good old Brooker T. Washington, his predecessor.

Dacia Brabant
2011-01-19, 12:36 AM
Tonight I watched the Pioneers of Televison special on PBS about '50s and '60s Sci-Fi TV, and in the Star Trek segment Nichelle Nicholes relayed a remarkable story. She had handed in her resignation because she was sick of having hardly any lines, and a few hours later she met with "her Number 1 fan" who up until then had remained anonymous. Who should it turn out to be but Martin Luther King. Apparently he was a big time Trekkie, and when he heard she was quitting he beseeched her not to, that what she was doing may have seemed small, but her being on national TV every week was too big of a deal to give it up.

So you're right that there were other pioneers besides King. There was Booker T and Malcolm X, W.E.B. DuBois and Sojourner Truth and the Black Star Line and Jazz and you name it. But what King had, and what he knew was critical for the Civil Rights cause, was Television.

Archpaladin Zousha
2011-01-19, 12:45 AM
Tonight I watched the Pioneers of Televison special on PBS about '50s and '60s Sci-Fi TV, and in the Star Trek segment Nichelle Nicholes relayed a remarkable story. She had handed in her resignation because she was sick of having hardly any lines, and a few hours later she met with "her Number 1 fan" who up until then had remained anonymous. Who should it turn out to be but Martin Luther King. Apparently he was a big time Trekkie, and when he heard she was quitting he beseeched her not to, that what she was doing may have seemed small, but her being on national TV every week was too big of a deal to give it up.

Holy buckets! I just watched that special too and was about to post about this! Great minds DO think alike!

Dacia Brabant
2011-01-19, 01:10 AM
Holy buckets! I just watched that special too and was about to post about this! Great minds DO think alike!

Awesome! :smallbiggrin: That was a great program. Almost made me wish I'd grown up in that era. Almost.

And I can't get over MLK being a Trekkie. He's always been this titan in my imagining, but something like that really kind of normalizes him. I think that's a good thing.

Shame he never got to see the movies.

Archpaladin Zousha
2011-01-19, 01:16 AM
Awesome! :smallbiggrin: That was a great program. Almost made me wish I'd grown up in that era. Almost.

And I can't get over MLK being a Trekkie. He's always been this titan in my imagining, but something like that really kind of normalizes him. I think that's a good thing.

Shame he never got to see the movies.
I watched it with my dad, who lived in that era and was grinning ear to ear about seeing the bits of his favorite shows again.

Though I think it might be old though. He claimed some of the stars who were interviewed were dead now.

Still, it's fascinating to see a larger than life figure like MLK had human qualities as well.

Killer Angel
2011-01-19, 03:14 AM
It was known that the earth was round, Columbus merely failed horribly calculating its circumference.

Well, I wrote "superstitions", not "flat earth"... :smallwink:
The fact that we know a thing is feasible, doesn't diminish the bravery of the first ones that try to do it (think to space travel).


He was stupid, greedy, and lucky far more than he was brave.

I cannot disagree on that.

But now, let's stop with Columbus... this thread is about a Man far greater than him. :smallsmile:

grimbold
2011-01-19, 01:28 PM
Random fact: Martin Luther King is the only person in America who has their own day. Some presidents have their birthdays, but no one has an official holiday devoted solely to them.

Random facts aside, Martin Luther King was indeed an impressive man.

*tips hat*

thats kinda cool

Trixie
2011-01-19, 01:39 PM
Yes, he was awesome. Shame he lived for so short amount of time.


It was known that the earth was round,

"Known" so much that people were still burned for heresy (150 years after Columbus made his trip) for saying this. Sure, these were the last cases, but Copernicus and Galileo worried about publishing their findings for a reason.


He was stupid, greedy, and lucky far more than he was brave.

I wouldn't excatly call a ship officer with navigator education "stupid", especially back then. Greed? You mean, just like everyone else? [Citation Needed], please.

Asta Kask
2011-01-19, 02:30 PM
"Known" so much that people were still burned for heresy (150 years after Columbus made his trip) for saying this. Sure, these were the last cases, but Copernicus and Galileo worried about publishing their findings for a reason.

Yes, but not for that reason.

For the reason that they said the Earth was not the center of the Universe. Far more important than the shape of the Earth.

I'm more impressed by Eratosthenes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes), who calculated the Earth's circumference with an error of less than 1% - in 240 B.C.E.! Now that was a giant.

Trixie
2011-01-19, 02:37 PM
Yes, but not for that reason.

For the reason that they said the Earth was not the center of the Universe. Far more important than the shape of the Earth.

Actually, saying both of these things was a heresy against [certain book that shall not be named on this forum] for pretty much the same reason :smallwink:


I'm more impressed by Eratosthenes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes), who calculated the Earth's circumference with an error of less than 1% - in 240 B.C.E.! Now that was a giant.

Yup.

It's sad so much of the Greek/Roman knowledge was lost in dark times, these guys had working early steam engines, proto-computers, fine arts on a level unbeaten for 1200 years, and a lot of other accomplishments to be proud of.