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ErrantX
2011-01-17, 08:47 PM
Alright, it's a bit late but better late than never. Here is the voting thread for the current contest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179661), voting will commence now and run til the 27th. Vote once for your favorites of those that qualified. I'm gonna do something special this time, as there will be the winner and X's favorite at the end, so I can weigh in a vote. Voters, please bold your selections as we're not doing polls anymore, and I know I'd appreciate it and I bet the authors will too if you say why you voted for their class.

{table=head]Prestige Class|Author|Votes
Giving Tree (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9971254&postcount=4)|Amphetryon|3
Sword and Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9971492&postcount=5)|fireinakasha|2
Humble Soulshaper (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9986557&postcount=12)|zagan|1
Anglo-Saxon Hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9987364&postcount=13)|The Conductor|0
Redeemer of Regrets (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9994058&postcount=14)|Benly|2
Iron Saint (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10000745&postcount=15)|Eurus|0
Good (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10002550&postcount=16)wife (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10002559&postcount=17)|The Vorpal Tribble|5
Channel of Ysgard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10015413&postcount=18)|Glimbur|0
Pyre of Maat (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10018620&postcount=19)|Hyooz|3
Protector of the Hidden Gate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10045148&postcount=21)|unosarta|1
Angel of Death (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10049154&postcount=22)|boomwolf|0
Dragon (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10133410&postcount=24)kin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10133858&postcount=25)|TheAmishPirate|0[/table]

And the winner is... The Vorpal Tribble with the Goodwife! Congrats!

ErrantX's Pick: The Goodwife (see below).

-X

The Vorpal Tribble
2011-01-17, 09:26 PM
Pyre of Maat
by Hyooz, curse him

This entry took Good and turned it into something original and awesome that I've not yet seen. Its theme and abilities coincide elegantly and I enjoyed just reading through it. However, if he wins with it I will gently nip his head off, suck his soul out with a straw, and no feather on a scale is gonna save him.

Merk
2011-01-17, 11:40 PM
Giving Tree

I think this class did it's reference justice, and has good and flavorful abilities at nearly every level.

unosarta
2011-01-17, 11:40 PM
This entry took Good and turned it into something original and awesome that I've not yet seen. Its theme and abilities coincide elegantly and I enjoyed just reading through it. However, if he wins with it I will gently nip his head off, suck his soul out with a straw, and no feather on a scale is gonna save him.

Really? I have to wonder, after reading it, what exactly was so new about how the class took good? I mean, yes, it was a splendid class, but it hardly took a brand new horizon on good.

Also, wouldn't good try to be inclusive? To help everyone? Why then, is the most important class ability limited to only those of an alignment aspect the same as the Pyre? That seems sort of exclusive, and really jarring, when compared with flavor that speaks of "giving", "assurance", "serenity". Indeed, the "weigh the heart" ability explicitly targets those who are not like, or of the same alignment as, the Pyre.

Honestly, though, I felt that all of the entries did this, to a major extent, and I kind of feel like abstaining from voting, for that reason. I feel like most felt like classes where it was a fine and interesting concept, but with a "good" alignment tacked on, and flavor added. Admittedly, my own prestige class does feel like this as well, even without the alignment requirement.

Rainbow Servant
2011-01-18, 12:10 AM
I'm going to cast my vote for the Redeemer of Regrets - I just love the fluff, and I think it's a valid take on the good necromancer concept as opposed to the usual "I use exactly the same abilities as an evil necromancer, but I'm different to them - honest. Now, watch me angst in a dark corner!" :smallsigh:

zagan
2011-01-18, 05:02 AM
My vote go to the Sword and Soul, I'm a romantic at heart and the idea of two people joining together body and soul to fight evil is just great, plus the mechanic are wery well done.

Divayth Fyr
2011-01-18, 06:52 AM
I'm going to cast my vote for the Redeemer of Regrets - I just love the fluff, and I think it's a valid take on the good necromancer concept as opposed to the usual "I use exactly the same abilities as an evil necromancer, but I'm different to them - honest. Now, watch me angst in a dark corner!" :smallsigh:

My thoughts exactly - so another vote for Benly's Redeemer

Xzoltar
2011-01-18, 07:14 AM
Well some of my votes can't count because their creator didnt finish doing the fluff part at the end. So it was between The Sword and Soul or Protector of the Hidden Gate.

At the end I think the Sword and Soul is pretty original, but will see play with difficulty finding the Soul.

My vote goes to Protector of the Hidden Gate

Seraphiel
2011-01-18, 08:52 AM
My vote go to the Sword and Soul, I'm a romantic at heart and the idea of two people joining together body and soul to fight evil is just great, plus the mechanic are wery well done.

Yeah, this. <3

My vote for Sword and Soul.


Close seconds were Necrolinguist, and Goodwife.

Glimbur
2011-01-18, 02:32 PM
Giving Tree. There were many interesting ideas, but this class jumped out as one I would like to play and it was also Good both by the standards of D&D and by more modern sensibilities. The class features were only as complicated as they needed to be and it had no dead levels.

dyslexicfaser
2011-01-18, 06:19 PM
It's got to be Vorpal Tribble's Goodwife, for me.

There was almost too much going on in 10 levels, but I loved the flavor even more than the Monstrumologist.

*.*.*.*
2011-01-18, 06:54 PM
+1 to Goodwife, I loved the fluff and definitely want to nab one as a cohort!:smallwink:

Psyborg
2011-01-18, 07:39 PM
Goodwife for me as well. Just a really wholesome, good concept, brilliantly executed. (I'm adapting the first seven levels as an uncommon-to-rare NPC base class for my games, found mostly in small towns and rural areas.)

Redeemer of Regrets was a very, very close second, though. Dare I say it redeemed the unlikely-sounding concept of a good necromancer? :smalltongue:

JoshuaZ
2011-01-20, 11:23 PM
Close tie between Reedemer of Regrets and the Goodwife. I'm going to go with Goodwife.

Stycotl
2011-01-21, 02:25 AM
my vote goes to the goodwife.

Kallisti
2011-01-22, 03:37 PM
Giving Tree here, because I love the mechanical implementation and there need to be more good classes for this kind of character, but the Sword and the Soul and the Goodwife are both excellent as well.

ErrantX
2011-01-23, 04:33 AM
Votes thus far are tallied. Keep em coming. :smallbiggrin:

-X

ErrantX
2011-01-24, 05:53 PM
Now I know there are people out there who haven't voted yet, and I know that needs to change. People who entered the contest, some of which who haven't voted, and lots of people who follow the contest. Come on! Let's get some more votes in before it closes!

-X

unosarta
2011-01-24, 05:58 PM
Well, if I have to...

I would say that the Pyre of Maat feels like the "good-est" class to me, and the mechanics are pretty cool.

The Vorpal Tribble
2011-01-24, 09:04 PM
I would say that the Pyre of Maat feels like the "good-est" class to me, and the mechanics are pretty cool.
*snrk*

:smallamused:


Honestly, though, I felt that all of the entries did this, to a major extent, and I kind of feel like abstaining from voting, for that reason. I feel like most felt like classes where it was a fine and interesting concept, but with a "good" alignment tacked on, and flavor added. Admittedly, my own prestige class does feel like this as well, even without the alignment requirement.
Hope mine is excluded from this. I made the Goodwife to be just that. Someone very good in a 'make the world a better place' rather than a 'killz evulz!!' way.

Am considering making an evil version, though will have to drastically rewrite the thing.

Amphetryon
2011-01-24, 09:05 PM
I would pick Humble Soulshaper, for both flavor and mechanics.

unosarta
2011-01-24, 10:20 PM
Hope mine is excluded from this. I made the Goodwife to be just that. Someone very good in a 'make the world a better place' rather than a 'killz evulz!!' way.

Am considering making an evil version, though will have to drastically rewrite the thing.
It feels more like the contest is my problem here. A theme of something that is "good" rarely, if ever, makes it an easy decision for me, mostly because I can imagine an evil character playing in almost every single one of these classes, if not for the alignment restriction. Honestly, it seems that if really any class were presented to me with this contest, I would still not see them as purely good, because most any class cannot truly have their mechanics define their alignment in a way that is both significant to the class, and mechanically up to par, and also because alignment is so subjective a system. That is awesome from a player and character standpoint, but really hard to get behind from a contestual one.

Oh well.

[Edit]: As for your class, VT:
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2010/027/3/c/In_the_Witch__s_House_by_Silent_nona_light.png
"Have some cake little children. Have some pie. Have some candy, little children. It was made by the brownie. It was made for you, little children. Gobble it up, little children. We want you fa-- I mean, oh, have you finished your pie? Have you finished your cake and your candy? Have some more, little children."

The Vorpal Tribble
2011-01-27, 08:21 AM
If I'd've known you were coming I'd've backed a cake, baked a cake...

TheAmishPirate
2011-01-27, 10:35 AM
My vote is for the Redeemer of Regrets. Like what's been said before, I'm impressed that you made a Good necromancer without making a terrible necromancer.

The Vorpal Tribble
2011-01-27, 08:51 PM
This is the last night of voting, and we can do better than 17 total votes :smallcool:

ErrantX
2011-01-27, 11:45 PM
This is the last night of voting, and we can do better than 17 total votes :smallcool:

Agreed. Oh well, very sad, but its time to get the next contest readied, regardless of turn out. Come on, lurkers! :P

-X

Benly
2011-01-28, 02:24 AM
The main reason I took so long to vote is because I sort of have two favorites: my favorite flavorwise is the Dragonkin, but I really like the mechanics of the Pyre of Maat's Weigh The Heart ability. (And obviously I think the Redeemer is fantastic but I'm not going to vote for myself. :smallbiggrin:) I think that in terms of actual play consideration I'm going to have to vote for the Pyre of Maat.

The Dragonkin suffered from a lot of little problems and quirks in my opinion. I feel like with some tightening up it could've gotten my vote, because I completely love the concept of the class, but as it is it just didn't feel as solidly built as some of the classes in the running.

The Pyre's flavor would have been forgettable, except that the Weigh The Heart ability drives it home with a rather unique mechanic that forces a "fair" judgement. The fact that its effects are, to an extent, beyond the Pyre's control drives home the nature of maat as being almost a moral force of nature - as I understand it, the Egyptian concept of maat is a notion that sees moral law as an extension of natural law, so this sort of judgement beyond the player character's control underscores that for me.

ErrantX
2011-01-28, 03:00 AM
And the Winner and ErrantX's pick is the Vorpal Tribble's Goodwife!

I like a lot of the classes that entered (and many that I regrettably had to cut), I have a special love for the Iron Saint because I like the concept of a holy murderer, and the Angel of Death picture is awesome, and the concepts attached to the class were pleasing. The Channel of Ysgard is also pleasant to me because I love viking and Norse mythology.

Trib's Goodwife is pleasing because it's not a smite the baddies kind of class that I honestly expected, and it comes at good from a warmer, gentler perspective with a sort of pleasant whimsy for what the goodwife can do, with the blessings and the strength of the character within her domain or when defending those she chooses to care for. That, and I honestly just love anything to do with the Fey. So kudos man, from me to you.

New contest tomorrow! What will it be?!?!

-X

The Vorpal Tribble
2011-01-28, 01:28 PM
Thanks EX and voters http://www.giantitp.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Catch me later Hyooz :smallamused:

I think I'll be having a talk with Eurus about adding the Iron Saint to my A Dying Ember campaign. I really liked them as well and have a place just for them. In fact, they may be in cahoots with the Goodwives.

Hyooz
2011-01-28, 02:47 PM
Thanks EX and voters http://www.giantitp.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Catch me later Hyooz :smallamused:

I think I'll be having a talk with Eurus about adding the Iron Saint to my A Dying Ember campaign. I really liked them as well and have a place just for them. In fact, they may be in cahoots with the Goodwives.

I'll get you next time, Gadget!

Thugorp
2011-03-14, 03:33 PM
Goodwife for me as well. Just a really wholesome, good concept, brilliantly executed. (I'm adapting the first seven levels as an uncommon-to-rare NPC base class for my games, found mostly in small towns and rural areas.)

Redeemer of Regrets was a very, very close second, though. Dare I say it redeemed the unlikely-sounding concept of a good necromancer? :smalltongue:

Is there anyway I could get a pm of this? I would love to insert a Goodwives NPC class into my campagins. :-D

Psyborg
2011-03-15, 09:16 AM
Is there anyway I could get a pm of this? I would love to insert a Goodwives NPC class into my campagins. :-D

PM sent; though it never got really finished and written up in detail, it should be complete enough to be usable. Also sent it to ErrantX (the PrC contest host) and The Glyphstone (the mod I see most often in Homebrew Design) asking for their okay to post it, since the Goodwife's original creator (The Vorpal Tribble) is banned, making it rather difficult to ask his permission.

-Psy

ErrantX
2011-03-15, 09:33 AM
PM sent; though it never got really finished and written up in detail, it should be complete enough to be usable. Also sent it to ErrantX (the PrC contest host) and The Glyphstone (the mod I see most often in Homebrew Design) asking for their okay to post it, since the Goodwife's original creator (The Vorpal Tribble) is banned, making it rather difficult to ask his permission.

-Psy

I personally don't see a problem with it, just so long as you credit the source belonging to the apparently late, great Vorpal Tribble. Credit where it is due.

-X

Psyborg
2011-03-15, 10:28 AM
I've got a "no problem, so long as you give credit where due" from ErrantX, and a "got your message; let me get back to you" from The Glyphstone. So we're on hold for now. No rush anyway, right? :smallcool:

Edit/Update: My preliminary notes for the Goodwife NPC adaptation can be found in the Goodwife thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181315). Thanks to ErrantX and The Glyphstone for their time and permission, and to The Vorpal Tribble for the wonderful inspiration.