Best Capstone [3.5/Pathfinder]

[Kansaschaser]

There are a ton of prestige classes out there and I see a lot of people build characters that only take a few levels of some prestige classes.

But, what prestige class has such a good capstone that you take every level?

On the flip side, what's the worst capstone you've seen before?

[MammonAzrael]

Does Rogue 20 qualify for worst capstone?

Frenzied Berserker's capstone of Supreme Power attack is good. Though I think most people take it because you don't go into Frenzied Berserker for any reason other than it's damage, so you might as well go all the way.

Walker of the Wastes is another PrC that you don't dip.

Eternal Blade is a PrC where the capstone is the main draw.

[Kansaschaser]

Well, Rogue is a base class. But you're right, it's pretty bad that it doesn't have any level 20 ability.

[druid91]

As he said, being a lich but better is pretty cool with walker in the waste.

[Kansaschaser]

I personally like the Swiftblade Capstone of "Time Stop".

You can get that by level 16, one level faster than a full Wizard caster.

[Psyren]

It's 3.0, but I have a soft spot for Planar Vanguard (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20031219a). Any near-epic caster can create a demiplane, but how many can make one that talks to you?

In Pathfinder, Metamind and Psion Uncarnate tie for my vote.
In 3.5, I like Divine Oracle's "I knew we'd be attacked!"

[Scarlet-Devil]

I personally like the Swiftblade Capstone of "Time Stop".

You can get that by level 16, one level faster than a full Wizard caster.

I was going to suggest that too.

I guess I'll throw in Hellfire Warlock's, 'cause a free blast of hellfire to the face is rarely a bad thing.

[Ravens_cry]

I was going to suggest that too.

I guess I'll throw in Hellfire Warlock's, 'cause a free blast of hellfire to the face is rarely a bad thing.
Depends on whether your the blastee or the blaster, now doesn't it?:smallamused:

[PaladinChris]

Bard in pathfinder. You are so awesome you literally sing your enemies to death (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard#TOC-Deadly-Performance-Su-)

[Geddoe]

I like Master Strike on the Pathfinder Rogue.

[Doodleface]

I'd say Elemental Savant has a great capstone.
Same with Dervish, even though the class is sort of weak. You can do a LOT of damage with that many attacks and keen scimitars (especially if you started with Scout, and you get the skirmish damage in the mix as well.)

[Scarlet-Devil]

Depends on whether your the blastee or the blaster, now doesn't it?:smallamused:

Hah, that's very true. :smallsigh::smallamused:

[doctor_wu]

Playtest ninja in pathfinder hello I can sacrifice 10 d6 of damage to give a minus 10 penalty to con with no save. And get super invisibility by using ki.

[Akal Saris]

I'd say Walker in the Waste's "I'm a lich now!" capstone is my favorite.

For worst, I think Alienist is pretty bad. You become an outsider, and now if you die your soul is dragged off by Cthulu-esque horrors and you can never be raised. ...yay?

[Scarlet-Devil]

For worst, I think Alienist is pretty bad. You become an outsider, and now if you die your soul is dragged off by Cthulu-esque horrors and you can never be raised. ...yay?

Heh, yeah I'd say that's another favourite :smallbiggrin:; just not for its usefulness (don't think I'd ever actually play an Alienist... at least not with the Alienist class).

[Jair Barik]

Quite like
Anarchaic initiate-Punch a hole in relaity that sucks people into Limbo.
and
Wild mage-Forcing a rod of wonder upon your opponents abilities? Genius...

[Heliomance]

Base classes, but I'm very fond of the Knight's Loyal Beyond Death and the Truenamer's Say My Name And I Am There.

[Thurbane]

I was going to say Factotum's Cunning Brilliance, but since it is level 19, I suppose it's not technically a capstone.

[Psychonix]

Best Favourite Capstone
Mountebank from dragon magazine. Hit level 20? Become an NPC!

Aspect of the Damned: At 20th level the mountebank's soul comes due to her master. She gains the half-fiend template unless already one. Her alignment shifts to evil unless already evil. In any case, she becomes her master's willing thrall. She transports to the Outer Planes and becomes an NPC under the DM's control.
Only a quest to break her pact with her demonic or infernal overlord can free the mountebank from this fate. The exact nature of this quest is left to the DM, but
it usually requires a mountebank to defeat her patron or his most powerful minions, render him a great service, or trick him into releasing her from their contract.

One of the most boring PrC capstones has to be holy liberators or pious templars. Gain an additional use of smite evil/smite.

[Akal Saris]

Best Favourite Capstone
Mountebank from dragon magazine. Hit level 20? Become an NPC!


One of the most boring PrC capstones has to be holy liberators or pious templars. Gain an additional use of smite evil/smite.

Finally I've escaped this horrible campaign! :smalltongue:

[Psyren]

Bard in pathfinder. You are so awesome you literally sing your enemies to death (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard#TOC-Deadly-Performance-Su-)

That's like Divine Prankster's "Killing Joke" capstone

Pathfinder Seer gets a doozy - unlimited rerolls :smalleek:

[CockroachTeaParty]

Greenstar Adept's got one of the worst capstones. "Congratulations! You've lost your CON score!"

[Psyren]

Greenstar Adept's got one of the worst capstones. "Congratulations! You've lost your CON score!"

"And you PAID MONEY to do it!"

[Bibliomancer]

"And you PAID MONEY to do it!"

Almost as bad as Fatespinner: "You just broke the first rule of practical optimization to get your capstone!"

For best, Say My Name and I am There is quite cool (shame its attached to a class that doesn't work...).

[big teej]

I know it's a base class
but I drool over "Loyal Beyond Death"

as for worst
Risen Martyr
congratulations you've hit level 20! now roll a new character!
NOW!!!

[Warlawk]

Granted it's a base class.... but the Warblade Stance mastery to have two stances up at once is really pretty sweet.

[Radar]

Incantatrix is full of power all the way, but it's capstone still takes the cake.

As far as bad capstones go, Monk is high on the list. Congratulations, now you are a legal target for spells that otherwise would only hurt Outsiders! Oh, you don't get any other benefits from being an outsider. At least you can still be Raised as if you were humanoid - this will happen a lot.

[Kansaschaser]

Greenstar Adept's got one of the worst capstones. "Congratulations! You've lost your CON score!"

Well, I always thought that wasn't such a bad capstone. You do become a Golem for most intents and purposes.

[Eldan]

You don't, however, gain anything from it. The few useful immunities are, IIRC, gained earlier. So the only change that actually happens on level 10 is that you lose your constitution score and therefore your bonus hit points. On an already squishy caster.

[Person_Man]

Ironsoul Forgemaster: Weapon Bond (level 9, ECL 14). Every attack with your melee weapon forces a Save or Daze effect against living enemies, and the Save DC is Constitution based. Magic of Incarnum.

Landforged Walker: Plant Shape (level 5, ECL 10): Wildshape into any Plant from Small to Huge size. Otherwise functions exactly like Wildshape, except that you use your total character level as your effective druid level to determine duration and maximum Hit Dice. Useful if you want to Wildshape and/or have a build that relies on opposed checks (Trip, Bull Rush, etc) but want to spend the other 15 levels of your progression on something other then Druid. Secrets of Xen'driks

Fang of Sseth: Favor of Sseth (level 8, ECL 15): Greater Invisibility that lasts for 8 hours and also hides you from hearing and scent. Serpent Kingdoms.

[Kansaschaser]

Fang of Sseth: Favor of Sseth (level 8, ECL 15): Greater Invisibility that lasts for 8 hours and also hides you from hearing and scent. Serpent Kingdoms.

Wow, I can think of some really good uses for that ability. :smallwink:

[Psyren]

Landforged Walker: Plant Shape (level 5, ECL 10): Wildshape into any Plant from Small to Huge size. Otherwise functions exactly like Wildshape, except that you use your total character level as your effective druid level to determine duration and maximum Hit Dice. Useful if you want to Wildshape and/or have a build that relies on opposed checks (Trip, Bull Rush, etc) but want to spend the other 15 levels of your progression on something other then Druid. Secrets of Xen'driks


You can also have your wooden wonder be a Wildshape Ranger - the class is easy for them to get into, and is a useful route if you don't have Races of Eberron.


I know it's a base class
but I drool over "Loyal Beyond Death"

as for worst
Risen Martyr
congratulations you've hit level 20! now roll a new character!
NOW!!!

Yeah, in a regular game Risen Martyr is godawful. It's more meant for games where resurrection is disallowed (and rerolling is probably better even then.)


Another great capstone is Rainbow Servant. "You know your whole list? Awesome! Now you're a cleric!"

[Curmudgeon]

I like 30' Blindsense from the Shade Hunter PrC (Champions of Ruin). Scout 20 also grants this, but that's much too late.

[Keld Denar]

Almost as bad as Fatespinner: "You just broke the first rule of practical optimization to get your capstone!"

Fatespinner would actually be worth the lost caster level, except for one small thing. You can't use the ability on anything with more HD than you. LAME! Most things an adventurer faces on a daily basis have more HD than him, simply due to the fact that you often challenge a party of 4 with a creature or creatures a couple CRs higher than the average party level. Also, HD and CR doesn't advance 1:1 for many creatures.

[Thiyr]

As far as worst? Stormtalon 10. Your capstone for a 10 level PrC is...a bonus feat. And I'm pretty sure a good chunk of the feats you can take from the very small list are fighter feats. Decidedly underwhelming.

Best? Dunno. Favorite? I'm honestly quite a fan of a good number of the Master Specialist capstones.

[Person_Man]

You can also have your wooden wonder be a Wildshape Ranger - the class is easy for them to get into, and is a useful route if you don't have Races of Eberron.

Landforged Walker requires:

Warforged
Knowledge (Nature) 2 ranks
Knowledge (Geography) 4 ranks
Survival 8 ranks
Ironwood Body or Skill Focus (Knowledge Nature)


It doesn't require or progress Wildshape or Animal Companion. So Wildshape Ranger would not be a particularly useful entry to the PrC. However, it does provide 4/5 divine caster progression. So an Archivist, Cleric, or Spirit Shaman would do well to enter it (though you might need a level or two of another nature themed PrC for access to Survival for the Archivist or Cleric). Or you could go Barbarian 1/Whatever 6/Runescarred Berserker 1/Landforged Walker 5, using Landforged Walker to progress your divine casting Runescars.

[Psyren]

It doesn't require or progress Wildshape or Animal Companion. So Wildshape Ranger would not be a particularly useful entry to the PrC.

Without RoE (as I stated), you don't have Ironwood Body, which means that being a Druid won't be particularly productive for your Warforged. Rangers, however, don't have the same restriction.

[Kansaschaser]

Oh, I just remembered the "Reforged" prestige class for Warforged. I think the capstone for that class is pretty bad.

[Psyren]

Another cool one - Shadow's Persistence from the Noctumancer. If you counterspell a spell or mystery, you become immune to that spell for 1 minute. The only limit on this is the number of innate counterspells or counterspelling mysteries (Capture Magic's Shadow) that you have access to.

[Endarire]

Some non-capstones should be. Like, oh, Metamagic Effect for Incantatrix, or Supernatural Spell for Dweomerkeeper.

[Thurbane]

I like the capstone of the Death Delver - Nine Lives. As the name suggests, you avoid death nine times. :smallbiggrin:

[BadJuJu]

Not powerful, but very cool is Jade Phoenix Immolation. What's cooler than exploding then rising from the ashes once per week.

[Psyren]

Not powerful, but very cool is Jade Phoenix Immolation. What's cooler than exploding then rising from the ashes once per week.

I'll tell you what's cooler - being a Wu Jen so you can ridiculous defensive buffs through Transcend Mortality before detonating. Bonus points if you also cast Death Throes on yourself.

[monkey3]

First, I'd like to pay homage to my avatar and nominate Walker in the Waste and Dread Necromancer for turning into Liches for capstones.

My favorite however is Runesmith, the dwarven armor wearing Wizard. Their capstone allows them to turn one spell into an SLA at the cost of 1 higher level spell. Let the cheese begin...

[flabort]

Bard in pathfinder. You are so awesome you literally sing your enemies to death (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard#TOC-Deadly-Performance-Su-)

Nooooo.... You get to MIME enemies to death, you're so awesome.

[Hazzardevil]

I reckon teh best capstone is the revenant blade, you get to use a valar double scimitar as a two handed weapon at level 5 and you get free bonus feats at a useful ability at every level.

[Kansaschaser]

Nooooo.... You get to MIME enemies to death, you're so awesome.

Don't forget the "Perform: Sexual Techniques" from the Book of Erotic Fantasy. You could "screw someone to death".

[Psyren]

Don't forget the "Perform: Sexual Techniques" from the Book of Erotic Fantasy. You could "screw someone to death".

Well... the ability works just by having the target see and hear you, so technically they don't have to even be involved. So you end up with a... "solo performance"... so intense that it is fatal to anyone who witnesses the whole thing.

...

brb rolling bard

[Kansaschaser]

Well... the ability works just by having the target see and hear you, so technically they don't have to even be involved. So you end up with a... "solo performance"... so intense that it is fatal to anyone who witnesses the whole thing.

...

brb rolling bard

Oh damn. I can't stop laughing now. My mind rolled right into the gutter and I don't think it's comming out for the rest of the day.

[Cogidubnus]

It's 3.0, but I have a soft spot for Planar Vanguard (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20031219a). Any near-epic caster can create a demiplane, but how many can make one that talks to you?

In Pathfinder, Metamind and Psion Uncarnate tie for my vote.
In 3.5, I like Divine Oracle's "I knew we'd be attacked!"

Divine Oracle rocks, purely because you don't really lose any good features from your base class by taking it and it gives you a ton of benefits.

[The Glyphstone]

Well... the ability works just by having the target see and hear you, so technically they don't have to even be involved. So you end up with a... "solo performance"... so intense that it is fatal to anyone who witnesses the whole thing.

...

brb rolling bard


Oh damn. I can't stop laughing now. My mind rolled right into the gutter and I don't think it's comming out for the rest of the day.

So, an offensive version of the Pervirtuoso?

[Kansaschaser]

So, an offensive version of the Pervirtuoso?

Yep. I've heard of that build and that's why I suggested using Perform: Sexual Techniques for the Pathfinder Bard capstone.

It's still making me chuckle. :smallbiggrin:

[MightyIgoo]

What about Pathfinder Summoner?

Capstone is turning into a double of your eidolon. So now there are TWO crazy multi-limbed magical player-controlled monsters running around...

[Kansaschaser]

What about Pathfinder Summoner?

Capstone is turning into a double of your eidolon. So now there are TWO crazy multi-limbed magical player-controlled monsters running around...

You know, I was just reading about the Summoner the other day, but I have yet to see one played, so I guess I just forgot about it. That is a pretty good capstone.

Since the summoner is charisma based, I'm now trying to figure out how to turn a summoner into a Pervirtuoso (since my head is still in the gutter).

[grimbold]

the fatespinner has a capstone which lets you get a +10 bonus to a spells save dc once per day

[Anterean]

Well... the ability works just by having the target see and hear you, so technically they don't have to even be involved. So you end up with a... "solo performance"... so intense that it is fatal to anyone who witnesses the whole thing.

...

brb rolling bard

This is one of the must disturbing idea's I have seen for a while, but boy if it didn´t make me laugh

[Kansaschaser]

This is one of the must disturbing idea's I have seen for a while, but boy if it didn´t make me laugh

I keep picturing a strip club filled with humans, half-orcs, dwarfs, and all sorts of ruff, burley men.

The lights dim and out comes a sexy female dancer. As she starts to take off her clothes, she snaps her head back and shows some clevage. Then, everyone in the audience dies from whip-lash.

Haha! :smallbiggrin:

[Talya]

It's a base class rather than a PRC, but Warblade has one of the coolest capstones in the game.

I just cannot bring myself to play a single-class character. I need versatility! :smallfrown:

[Kansaschaser]

It's a base class rather than a PRC, but Warblade has one of the coolest capstones in the game.

I just cannot bring myself to play a single-class character. I need versatility! :smallfrown:

I hear ya' sister. The only time I've ever considered playing one class all the way to 20 was in a gestalt game. That way I could get my "freakyness" out with my additional gestalt classes.

[Trekkin]

My vote goes to the Generalist Psion of Pathfinder. Any one power, changeable per day? Supremely awesome for all those lovely ninth-level powers that you want only some of the time. It may not be the most powerful, but it's probably going to be used often and enjoyably, and it just screams "capstone" to me rather than "buff we threw in".

[Volos]

While it is technically a capstone, you can choose it as a feat at 11th level if you really felt like it. The playtest of Gunslinger from Ultimate Combat with the Secret Stash Deed Feat and either the Signature Deed Feat or the True Grit Capstone. Spend 0 Grit as long as you have 1 Grit to recover three bullets and three doses of black powder from nowhere. Now you have infinite money. :smallbiggrin:

Also Pathfinder Druid's Wild Shaping at Will is pretty sweet. As is the Alchemist's True Mutagen. +8 Alchemical Bonus to Nat AC, Str, Dex, Con? Yes please!

[Frozen_Feet]

Well... the ability works just by having the target see and hear you, so technically they don't have to even be involved. So you end up with a... "solo performance"... so intense that it is fatal to anyone who witnesses the whole thing.

Maybe they die of shame?

[flabort]

Well, that just goes to show why the army shouldn't allow... girls of a more... 'bouncy' and 'poor' nature tag along to make the men... happier... Cause the men may end up deader instead.

[Psyren]

Well, that just goes to show why the army shouldn't allow... girls of a more... 'bouncy' and 'poor' nature tag along to make the men... happier... Cause the men may end up deader instead.

If you're a level 20 bard and the best job you can get is "camp follower," you need to consider planar travel :smalltongue:

[Hurlbut]

If you're a level 20 bard and the best job you can get is "camp follower," you need to consider planar travel :smalltongue:
*snerks* Indeed :smallbiggrin:

[Urpriest]

So, an offensive version of the Pervirtuoso?

The Pervirtuoso isn't offensive enough already? :smallbiggrin:

[The Glyphstone]

The Pervirtuoso isn't offensive enough already? :smallbiggrin:

I wondered if anyone would catch that. Kudos, sir.

[Halae]

Far as it goes, the capstone for Dread Necromancer is pretty good or rather horrible.

If your DM is a rules lawyer, then you just spent 20 levels to become an undead with no powers and a useless box that has a name that starts with a strange sounding P

on the other hand, if your DM actually reads it as it was intended, then you become a lich, free of charge and chock full of Arcane Power and immortality. Find a good way to hide you Phylactery, and there's a good chance your character can survive to become a Demi-Lich, and he didn't even have to pay for the damn magical item

[mootoall]

Has anyone said anarchic initiate yet? Because if you haven't, you should. Really, who doesn't want to make a hole in reality with their mind? Also, Thrall of Jubilex. At-will Ooze summoning! And I remember the class isn't that fantastic, but isn't there one whose capstone is PUNCH YOU UNTIL YOU'RE UNDEAD(!)?

[Hazard_Pay]

I've been away from 3.5 and PF for some time and hadn't really spent too much time looking into capstones... until i looked at my lil halfling rogue's 20th Capstone and did some math and came up with my vote for worst capstone.

I'm assuming most rogues aren't going to dump their ability gains into INT, but Hypothetically let's assume there's a Master Level Rogue willing to do so.

Barring ability Increase Tome, the best any standard PC can hope for by level 20 is a 25 INT (18 roll, +2 racial, +5 level enhancements) putting the int bonus at a +7

Combine the DC description of Master Strike (1/2 the rogue level + Int modifier) power *cough* is such that anyone liable to be threatened by it will probably die from the attack that initiates the effect in the first place. So um... what's the frakkin' point of it?

Add to that suck sandwich the fact that if the target makes the check, you cant try it again on 'em for 24 hours?...... seriously? (Or regardless of whether he makes the check or not) (...assuming you didn't use Slay... but why wouldn't you? Oh that's right you're the rogue that dumped points on INT :/)

Same goes for the Bard Capstone and Ranger Capstone...identical powers except the Bard's DC is based off an ability he's actually LIKELY to dump
level based ability enhancements into in the first place.

Maybe I'm missing some crucial math, please fix this if I did. But as it looks, it's a bit like saving up to buy a Ferrari only to find out they've installed a governor on the throttle so it only drives 35mph.

Meanwhile I'll be over here disabling traps so the cool kids don't scuff their massive hit points on 'em.

- Angry little halfling

[Alleran]

The capstone of the Dweomerkeeper is nice-sounding ("wrapped in a mantle of ever-flowing magic..."), but I don't know that you can beat the Dragon Ascendant conclusion for sheer awesomeness. You gain Divine Rank 0. You are now a god.

[DJDizzy]

The fighter in 3.5. A bonus feat? Yay I guess.

[poignant123]

Has anyone said anarchic initiate yet? Because if you haven't, you should. Really, who doesn't want to make a hole in reality with their mind? Also, Thrall of Jubilex. At-will Ooze summoning! And I remember the class isn't that fantastic, but isn't there one whose capstone is PUNCH YOU UNTIL YOU'RE UNDEAD(!)?

Palemaster, from LM

[Quellian-dyrae]

I've been away from 3.5 and PF for some time and hadn't really spent too much time looking into capstones... until i looked at my lil halfling rogue's 20th Capstone and did some math and came up with my vote for worst capstone.

I'm assuming most rogues aren't going to dump their ability gains into INT, but Hypothetically let's assume there's a Master Level Rogue willing to do so.

Barring ability Increase Tome, the best any standard PC can hope for by level 20 is a 25 INT (18 roll, +2 racial, +5 level enhancements) putting the int bonus at a +7

Combine the DC description of Master Strike (1/2 the rogue level + Int modifier) power *cough* is such that anyone liable to be threatened by it will probably die from the attack that initiates the effect in the first place. So um... what's the frakkin' point of it?

Add to that suck sandwich the fact that if the target makes the check, you cant try it again on 'em for 24 hours?...... seriously? (Or regardless of whether he makes the check or not) (...assuming you didn't use Slay... but why wouldn't you? Oh that's right you're the rogue that dumped points on INT :/)

Same goes for the Bard Capstone and Ranger Capstone...identical powers except the Bard's DC is based off an ability he's actually LIKELY to dump
level based ability enhancements into in the first place.

Maybe I'm missing some crucial math, please fix this if I did. But as it looks, it's a bit like saving up to buy a Ferrari only to find out they've installed a governor on the throttle so it only drives 35mph.

Meanwhile I'll be over here disabling traps so the cool kids don't scuff their massive hit points on 'em.

- Angry little halfling

According to the SRD, the DC is 10 + 1/2 Level + Modifier. And you also have the +6 ability enhancement items, so the hypothetical rogue would likely have an Int of 30, and a resultant DC of 30.

[tyckspoon]

The capstone of the Dweomerkeeper is nice-sounding ("wrapped in a mantle of ever-flowing magic..."), but I don't know that you can beat the Dragon Ascendant conclusion for sheer awesomeness. You gain Divine Rank 0. You are now a god.

It is pretty nifty, but it's also a dragon PrC that requires you to be like ECL 40 to actually finish it, which means Divine Rank 0 isn't all that impressive any more.

[El Dorado]

Eldritch Knight's Spell Critical is good as long as you don't have any other plans for your swift action. Like Arcane Strike. Or a Quickened spell. Or your Arcane Armor Training/Mastery.

[Grendus]

Deepstone Sentinel's capstone is nice. 12d6 isn't too shabby at level 15 (first level you can reach the capstone), especially since it's applied to every enemy within 60 feet, targets reflex, activates as a swift action, and scales off your strength modifier. Granted, by that level flying has become common, but against a land bound group of enemies, or in a dungeon where flight isn't doable, it has some serious potential.

[supermonkeyjoe]

My favourite Capstone is from the Divine Spirit (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070209a&page=1) paladin ACF, in exchange for aking 20 levels of paladin you get to call up a spirit that auto-revives any allies within 30', and grants fast healing 10 to anyone standing adjacent to it.

From pathfinder I think one of the worst is Monk of the Healing hand archetypes capstone:

True Sacrifice (Su)

At 20th level, in a final selfless act, a monk of the healing hand can draw in his entire ki, which then explodes outward in a 50-foot-radius emanation. All dead allies within the emanation are brought back to life, as if they were the subject of a true resurrection spell with a caster level equal to the monk’s level. When the monk does this, he is truly and utterly destroyed. A monk destroyed in this way can never come back to life, not even by way of a wish or miracle spell or by the power of a deity. Furthermore, the monk’s name can never be spoken or written down again. All written mentions of his name become nothing more than a blank space.

Compare that to the Monk of the Four Winds Capstone:

Immortality (Su)

At 20th level, a monk of the four winds no longer ages. He remains in his current age category forever. Even if the monk comes to a violent end, he spontaneously reincarnates (as the spell) 24 hours later in a place of his choosing within 20 miles of the place he died. The monk must have visited the place in which he returns back to life at least once.

So you can either sacrifice yourself with no chance of resurrection and be doomed to fade into obscurity, or you can live forever and come back in a brand new young adult body whenever you die. Hmmmmm tough choice

[Blisstake]

Some of the Oracle Mystery capstones are really nice. I enjoy the Loracle, which gets to take 20s on all knowledge checks (you know everything), and cast Wish once a day without any extra component required.


From pathfinder I think one of the worst is Monk of the Healing hand archetypes capstone:

Compare that to the Monk of the Four Winds Capstone:

While certainly not optimal, I think it's pretty neat. I mean, there's no other way (to my knowledge) in PF to revive multiple people in a single round. Yeah, it kills you forever, but I think that makes for an incredibly interesting end to a character. So many people know about you, yet suddenly don't remember exactly who you were.

[Maho-Tsukai]

I think that 3.5e's Rainbow Servant deserves a mention. Add the entire cleric list to my spell list? Thank you very much. Heck, in the case of that class the capstone is the whole reason to take it.

[Antonok]

The Entropemancer's Control Sphere is one of my all time favorites. Control a Sphere of Annihilation and be immune to them? Yes. Yes 1000 times.

Thoguh I'm also partial to the Disciple of Baalzebul's King of Lies. A +4 inherent bonus to Charisma is always nice.

[Alleran]

It is pretty nifty, but it's also a dragon PrC that requires you to be like ECL 40 to actually finish it, which means Divine Rank 0 isn't all that impressive any more.
Well, there aren't many ways to get DvR 0 short of Ice Assassin dairy product, and a class that gives it to you is already going to be high on my list. The immense BAB requirement to get it (+29 or something?) it what keeps it from being at the top of my favourite class list. There's probably a few ways to get around the BAB issue (abusing the Dusk Giant's way of gaining extra HD and garnering the BAB from that), but they're really a temporary solution.

[Hiro Protagonest]

The PF Eldritch Kinght's is pretty good. Get a falchion, get Improved Critical. Now every couple of rounds you get a free quickened spell.

[Dusk Eclipse]

While not a capstone per se (gained at level 9 of the prc) is the Slayer Cerebral Immunity, constant "free" mindblank that lets you benefit from beneficial spells (like greater heroism).

Quite nice and you can get it at ECL 14 the earliest with a psionic race and a full BAB class ( oddly it progresses manifesting but doesn't requires it)

[hewhosaysfish]

The Entropemancer's Control Sphere is one of my all time favorites. Control a Sphere of Annihilation and be immune to them? Yes. Yes 1000 times.

Immunity to Sphere of Annihilation?!
I wanna play a kobold Entropomancer who sleeps inside a Sphere now...

[gorfnab]

Landforged Walker requires:

Warforged
Knowledge (Nature) 2 ranks
Knowledge (Geography) 4 ranks
Survival 8 ranks
Ironwood Body or Skill Focus (Knowledge Nature)


It doesn't require or progress Wildshape or Animal Companion. So Wildshape Ranger would not be a particularly useful entry to the PrC. However, it does provide 4/5 divine caster progression. So an Archivist, Cleric, or Spirit Shaman would do well to enter it (though you might need a level or two of another nature themed PrC for access to Survival for the Archivist or Cleric). Or you could go Barbarian 1/Whatever 6/Runescarred Berserker 1/Landforged Walker 5, using Landforged Walker to progress your divine casting Runescars.
I'm kinda partial to the Salad Bar Monk
Warforged Monk 2/ Druid 3/ Landforged Walker 5/ Sacred Fist 10 (go with text trumps table if at all possible)

[Hazard_Pay]

According to the SRD, the DC is 10 + 1/2 Level + Modifier. And you also have the +6 ability enhancement items, so the hypothetical rogue would likely have an Int of 30, and a resultant DC of 30.

Ah crud, I completely missed the 10 +.... all I saw was 1/2 rogue level + ability modifiers.

But i thought you couldn't use magic items to boost DC?

I'll research it further but thanks for the input
:smallsmile:

EDIT: and yeah the 10+ makes that a lot less laughable... Thanks again.

[The Random NPC]

Not only that, it makes the Assassin PRC pretty much useless. Go on, compare the two, I'll wait here.

[averagejoe]

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