Ian logic is flaw

[torugo]

We are talking of a man who is already in the bottom of the hole. He cant go down any further. He is eating parasites to live. He has no freedom. His plan didnt work on prision and he has no hope to leave by his own. And he knows the emperor can kill him anytime he wants.

So considering it....if he is right and Elan is a spy...then what? How his life can go any worse? If Elan is a spy to expose Ian, then it means Tarquin is suspicious on Ian...were Tarquin suspicious of Ian, Ian would already be dead!

So lets suppose Tarquin knows of Ian and decided the best way to handle it was to let him rot in prision. So why send Elan to spy on his daughter to get him, if he is already caught and exactly where Tarquin wants him to be?

Now lets suppose he goes with his daughter and Elan is a spy to get Ian...Elan discovers Ian and what? Worst case scenario he goes back to prision or die. Either of both wont change his state for the better...

So he must decide between nothing changing or the possibility to scape to a better situation. And if Elan is a spy he can always act like a rogue and run away from his plans. He is a rogue...he is used to accept risks.

On my view...the only reason Ian isnt going out is for plot sake. But i guess that is as good of a reason as any other =P

[torugo]

And if Haley really wanted him out of prision...all she needed to do is to bluff that the prision was on fire and everybody in it was already dead.

She passed harder bluffs before...

[Chaos rising]

I think Ian is afraid that his daughter will also get captured. Or, put another way, he's afraid that Haley will get trapped there as well because Elan betrays her.

[ThePhantasm]

This is the guy who was eating his own neck skin cells, folks. He's been in prison for awhile. He's incredibly paranoid. He's hellbent on living up to his wife's last words by staying there to save the other prisoners. So... what exactly were you expecting?

I don't think it is just a plot contrivance. Everything he's done so far has been consistent with what we've been led to believe about him from the instant we saw him.

[SPoD]

Worst case scenario he goes back to prision or die. Either of both wont change his state for the better...

So he must decide between nothing changing or the possibility to scape to a better situation.

Yeah, you really only have a point if you assume Ian doesn't care what happens to Haley--whether she lives, dies, or is thrown in prison. And that would be kind of ridiculous to assume. He even says early on that he thinks it's a plan to catch Haley red-handed springing him from jail. He's not going to let that happen, even if it means staying in jail himself. Worst case scenario? For Ian, that's following Haley out, only to find Tarquin waiting for them and arresting Haley and executing her while he watches.

And likewise, of course Haley could get Ian out of jail with a Bluff, but that wouldn't convince him that Elan is a nice guy. And convincing him about Elan is what's really important to her. And the escape is already covered anyway; Roy promised to carry him out. Why go through the trouble of tricking him into leaving when he's going to be leaving tomorrow (or whenever Roy breaks out) anyway? Nah, let him stew for a day. Maybe he'll come around.

Basically, one needs to put themselves in the shoes of a (screwed-up) father who loves his daughter to understand Ian, and a daughter who loves her father (but still realizes how screwed up he is) to understand Haley. If one can't do that, then sure, their actions won't seem to make sense.

[Mr. Snuggles]

And if Haley really wanted him out of prision...all she needed to do is to bluff that the prision was on fire and everybody in it was already dead.

She passed harder bluffs before...
As stated in the comic, Ian is the only person who can always tell when Haley is lying.

[Knaight]

There is one point that has been implied throughout the thread, yet not clearly stated. Ian's logic is flawed, but he isn't perfectly rational by any means. Staying in his cell is an irrational action, and he has already been established as a highly irrational person.

[Herald Alberich]

As stated in the comic, Ian is the only person who can always tell when Haley is lying.

Except in the latest strip. With the potion's help, she could Bluff him into leaving if she wanted to.

[faustin]

I am afraid you are right. Unlike his daughter, Ian never overcame his paranoia and learned to trust in people, so he is now paying the price.:smallfrown:

[torugo]

And how does staying on prision help Haley? She already broke inside the prision and fooled all the guards in the way. If Tarquin knew she did that and wanted to have her in jail with her father....he would lock her...being Ian with her or not.

Were Ian with her would actually improve her chances to escape such trap as he is a experienced rogue and probably could pull some tricks to avoid both being trapped.

To save his daughter from this trap...the best he could do is go with her, not stay in jail.


Yeah, you really only have a point if you assume Ian doesn't care what happens to Haley--whether she lives, dies, or is thrown in prison. And that would be kind of ridiculous to assume. He even says early on that he thinks it's a plan to catch Haley red-handed springing him from jail. He's not going to let that happen, even if it means staying in jail himself. Worst case scenario? For Ian, that's following Haley out, only to find Tarquin waiting for them and arresting Haley and executing her while he watches.

And likewise, of course Haley could get Ian out of jail with a Bluff, but that wouldn't convince him that Elan is a nice guy. And convincing him about Elan is what's really important to her. And the escape is already covered anyway; Roy promised to carry him out. Why go through the trouble of tricking him into leaving when he's going to be leaving tomorrow (or whenever Roy breaks out) anyway? Nah, let him stew for a day. Maybe he'll come around.

Basically, one needs to put themselves in the shoes of a (screwed-up) father who loves his daughter to understand Ian, and a daughter who loves her father (but still realizes how screwed up he is) to understand Haley. If one can't do that, then sure, their actions won't seem to make sense.

[Kish]

Ian's logic is flawed?

Next you're going to claim that Redcloak's logic is flawed.

Or possibly that Tarquin is evil.

[Bibliomancer]

Except in the latest strip. With the potion's help, she could Bluff him into leaving if she wanted to.

Evidently, though, she's decided that it's easier to have Roy drag him out when he leaves. One possibility for why this is the case is that she thinks leaving is the right thing to do, so it doesn't qualify as something that isn't true (and therefore cannot be bluffed).

In response to the OP: Ian's logic is flawed. That why it's called paranoia, not common sense.