why would belkar leave the empire of blood?

[blazingshadow]

i was just thinking that it would be best if roy let belkar stay in prison. the party needs someone to keep an eye out on tarquin and belkar is practically in heaven right now. he gets to kill ppl in a regular basis, in prison he can bully the weak gladiators and if he shows his fighting skills he could get a job with tarquin and/or rally the spectators to overthrow the empress and become ruler himself.

[Morquard]

i was just thinking that it would be best if roy let belkar stay in prison. the party needs someone to keep an eye out on tarquin and belkar is practically in heaven right now. he gets to kill ppl in a regular basis, in prison he can bully the weak gladiators and if he shows his fighting skills he could get a job with tarquin and/or rally the spectators to overthrow the empress and become ruler himself.
Or he joins side with Tarquin, tells him about the gates, and follows the order with an army.

[NerfTW]

So your suggestion is Roy allow Belkar to stay in the arena, murder innocent prisoners, and possibly join forces with a murderous dictator.


......


Words cannot even begin to describe how bad of an idea that is. Roy's keeping Belkar around because he feels responsible for him. Not to mention there's absolutely no strategic advantage to keeping an eye on Tarquin right now. They don't need to keep an eye on someone who's easy to find.

[Leecros]

i was just thinking that it would be best if roy let belkar stay in prison. the party needs someone to keep an eye out on tarquin and belkar is practically in heaven right now. he gets to kill ppl in a regular basis, in prison he can bully the weak gladiators and if he shows his fighting skills he could get a job with tarquin and/or rally the spectators to overthrow the empress and become ruler himself.

Fate of the world vs random dictator



hmm....Lets devote resources to keeping an eye on the random dictator


cuz saving the world isn't important.:smallconfused:

[CheezItMan]

Fate of the world vs random dictator



hmm....Lets devote resources to keeping an eye on the random dictator


cuz saving the world isn't important.:smallconfused:

The question is really why would BELKAR leave the Empire of Blood? He's happy enough here. People to fight, people to bully etc.

[Gnome Alone]

Fate of the world vs random dictator



hmm....Lets devote resources to keeping an eye on the random dictator


cuz saving the world isn't important.:smallconfused:

True enough, but Tarquin is hardly "random." As Elan's father, he's about as... what's a good antonym for random? Causal? Deliberate?... as you can get.

[Leecros]

The question is really why would BELKAR leave the Empire of Blood? He's happy enough here. People to fight, people to bully etc.

He would probably weigh whether he would be able to kill more things in the arena or on the quest to save the world. He may choose the arena, in which case Roy will just tell him to go along anyways. They are unlikely to allow Belkar to stick around to slaughter innocents and Belkar knows that the team can take him....heck Roy can take him.


Or he'll die, in which case the argument is moot

but that is a different argument for a different topic.


True enough, but Tarquin is hardly "random." As Elan's father, he's about as... what's a good antonym for random? Causal? Deliberate?... as you can get.

Semantics. Unless Tarquin can pull a level 27+ Lich Sorcerer out of his smile, priority dictates that Xykon comes first, unless Tarquin gets in their way.

Roy knows that it's going to be tricky for the OotS to defeat Team Evil as it is and has no clue what is to come, it's highly unlikely that he would even consider leaving any resource behind which may prove useful in any way.

[Porthos]

So your suggestion is Roy allow Belkar to stay in the arena, murder innocent prisoners, and possibly join forces with a murderous dictator.

I just want to repeat this.

Seriously, why would Roy think this was a good idea?

[blazingshadow]

roy may not care since he knows he is going to die soon. i just think it is belkar's decition of staying that gets him killed even though it seemed like the logical choice for him to take. he doesn't know his days are numbered so why not stay and bully prisoners, kill innocents and believe he can get away from it all?

[Nevereatcars]

Roy knows, not only what Belkar is, but what he would become without Roy. The Gates of Heaven Deva showed exactly how far Belkar could jump off that particular slippery slope http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0489.html. Roy will keep Belkar on a VERY short leash until the day he dies.

[blazingshadow]

of course it might depend on how many days are left after roy escapes but belkar is in his last week of life. just let him enjoy those days before he kicks the bucket. in any case roy should know that there are more important things to do than babysit him and get ian out of the country without tarquin blowing up the plan

[Haggis]

Why would belkar leave? http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0748.html seems a good reason.

Belkar is a weapon in Roy's mind. And he one of the few people capable of controlling him. While leaving him there to keep an eye on the empire, it's not like he wants to change it, so that's out.

And while it's Belkar ideal retirement center, leaving him to die probably won't work. After all he's not sick or that old so natural causes aren't likely. And the only gladator whos seems to be a threat is the half dragon, so I doubt one of them will kill him. If he does die after that, it proabry be with a lot of others (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0668.html) so that doesn't seem like the best plan.

[blazingshadow]

we don't know what kind of ppl are there in the empire and how strong the gladiator champion really is. it has been foreshadowed that it is strong enough to be able to kill belkar though.

unlike durkon we know belkar will die before the order gets out of the continent (while durkon might die before or after leaving the continent)

[Werbaer]

unlike durkon we know belkar will die before the order gets out of the continent
Why?
I estimate that there are 4 weeks left. Why should they stay longer on the western continent?

7 weeks left at at azure island.
1 day sea journey and sands edge
2-3 days with the caravan
0-1 days (a few hours) riding the worm
6-7 days searching
2-3 days to leave the desert
0-7 days searching other towns & wind walking around
2 days in the empire of blood

[Dr.Epic]

Right, he's just going to leave Mr. Scruffy behind.

[Leecros]

Why?
I estimate that there are 4 weeks left. Why should they stay longer on the western continent?

7 weeks left at at azure island.
1 day sea journey and sands edge
2-3 days with the caravan
0-1 days (a few hours) riding the worm
6-7 days searching
2-3 days to leave the desert
0-7 days searching other towns & wind walking around
2 days in the empire of blood


2.) The Oracle is using the Southern calendar in his prediction to Roy. Meaning that the "seven weeks" Roy talks about is the time until the new New Year, exactly one year from the celebration seen back in Azure City.

3.) All other references are to relative time...no matter which calendar Redcloak uses, a year is a year, and during the Gobbotopia scenes he announced that it was six years until the one-year-anniversary of the battle. Since the battle took place about a week after the New Year, that means two weeks have passed since Roy's "seven weeks" comment--a few days to travel to Sandsedge, a week spent searching the desert, and a few days looking around the cities on the continent.



also you have to factor in that The Oracle stated Before the end of the year (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html) Which means, basically he has less than <insert whatever time you feel he has left here>.

essentially he could die any day now.

And they need to stay longer because they haven't completed their primary objective yet; which is to keep Xykon away from Girards gate. Depending on where the gate is it could take them up to 2 weeks to get there if it's on the other side of the continent. Which only gives Belkar at most a week or two.

[Alex Warlorn]

also you have to factor in that The Oracle stated Before the end of the year (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html) Which means, basically he has less than <insert whatever time you feel he has left here>.

essentially he could die any day now.

And they need to stay longer because they haven't completed their primary objective yet; which is to keep Xykon away from Girards gate. Depending on where the gate is it could take them up to 2 weeks to get there if it's on the other side of the continent. Which only gives Belkar at most a week or two.

In other words, get Girard's gate out of the way fast so it can be blown up as laws of drama dictate happen to it, get on to the final gate, have V's contract activate once they're close enough and mercy kill him, and finally throw Belkar at Xykon and hope he does enough damage to make fighting Xykon an even battle for the rest of the heroes.

But I doubt Belkar has that long.... Or we can HOPE he doesn't have that long... Belkar might just become an undead, at which point, HIS KILLING SPREE WILL NEVER EVER END! And Roy won't be around forever to keep him in check!

[Leecros]

But I doubt Belkar has that long.... Or we can HOPE he doesn't have that long... Belkar might just become an undead, at which point, HIS KILLING SPREE WILL NEVER EVER END! And Roy won't be around forever to keep him in check!

Pretty sure Roy would just kill Undead Monstrosity Belkar and get on with his life. I don't know anyone in the OotS except Mr. Scruffy who will lose sleep at night over Belkar's death.

Besides, wouldn't the whole "Not Long For this world" Rule out him being turned into a zombie? Yes, Yes it does...



Now if Belkar got turned into an Undead Monstrosity and then launched into space....

[Cizak]

Yes, leave Belkar to murder innocent and keep an eye on Tarquin. And then, when the rest of the Order comes back for the final, most important report of all just about the time Belkar's gonna die, we'll get to see this:

:roy: Belkar! Oh my god! Are you alright!?
:belkar: Guys... I think I'm done...
:roy: No! Belkar, quick! What have you found out about Tarquin!? What are his plans?
:belkar: ...was I still supposed to be checking that? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0043.html)
:roy: :smallfurious:

[Haggis]

we don't know what kind of ppl are there in the empire and how strong the gladiator champion really is. it has been foreshadowed that it is strong enough to be able to kill belkar though.


What Champion?

The only Reference to a champion was http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0736.html and that was just roy quoting clinches.

We don't know what kind of people are there, but we do know most of the gladiators are nothing more then fodder.

[Cracklord]

He won't. He'll die here.

[Hake]

Why would a chaotic murderer want to leave an arena that tells him who he can kill, where he can kill and when? Showing off in the arena is fun but there's no chance he'd want to stay there at least not as a gladiator.

It seems like he plans to stick with the group until he dies hell he even mentions he's had other offers two of which we know of. Benifits to traveling with Roy are...

-Wealth in both items and gold
-Gradually leveling up
-A pile of enemies to slaughter
-A travelling entourage to showoff infront of
-Most importantly a group of equally strong individuals who will reluctantly protect him.

Also while he may no longer be in the group at the end of the year seems unlikely he'll be lost from the comic anytime soon.