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Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:12 PM
hey guys!

I need some advise, I am joining a a RL Dnd group (3.5) and I wanted to make some kind of bloodmage.

i spell caster there cuts him self to draw power or something like that, (if people have played dragon age you know what I mean)

but here is the rules my GM have giving me:

1. no homebrew
2. no templates over +1
3. no races over +1
4. not to much cheese
5. Maximum level 8

I was hopeing someone could help me :)

TheGeckoKing
2011-02-21, 01:16 PM
Inb4 ninjaz

Blood Magus prestige class, p26 in Complete Arcane is perfect for this.

Mordokai
2011-02-21, 01:17 PM
Check out this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145984&highlight=blood).

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:19 PM
requirements:

the ability to cast 5th level spells thats level 9, which means I can take it from level 10, and the character is only level 8

sonofzeal
2011-02-21, 01:19 PM
Inb4 ninjaz

Blood Magus prestige class, p26 in Complete Arcane is perfect for this.
......but isn't that great.

"Spell Thematics" feat from Players Guide to Faerūn also does this, and is pretty awesome.

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:21 PM
was hopeing people would help make up the build, and what feats to take :)

that is if you are geek enough to handle it ;)

TheGeckoKing
2011-02-21, 01:21 PM
requirements:

the ability to cast 5th level spells thats level 9, which means I can take it from level 10, and the character is only level 8

Dang, I didn't see that :/

Darklady2831
2011-02-21, 01:24 PM
Blood Magus is 5th CL, not 5th level spells.

TheGeckoKing
2011-02-21, 01:25 PM
Oh? That's alright then. Not the best Prc in the world, but certainly has the flavor you're looking for.

Aharon
2011-02-21, 01:26 PM
Spell thematics, of course, is a good option.
A very strong option that is also thematically fitting is the Maho-Tsukai from Oriental Adventures (Maho being translated as Blood magic).
The tainted scholar from Heroes of Horror seems to be based on this class, as both share many similar mechanics.

Both classes are based on taint, which can easily be abused so it's not only strong, but ridiculously overpowered. This is unfortunate, because the fluff is quite fitting to what you want. If your DM trusts you, he may allow it.

Build:
The Maho-Tsukai is easier to pull of, as the class includes Taint supression, which protects you from taints negative features.
Sorcerer/Shugenja entry, use the conversion feature to become a Maho-Tsukai 8.

For the tainted scholar, undead would be optimal, but this doesn't work well with actually using blood, fluff-wise. If you can find a way to work around this, just pick something like Wizard 5/Tainted Scholar 3.

Psyren
2011-02-21, 01:30 PM
Inb4 ninjaz

Blood Magus prestige class, p26 in Complete Arcane is perfect for this.

Art thou a man... or a mouse?!

For blood-magic AND power, try this guy. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/campaigns/taint.htm#taintedSorcerer) :smallamused:

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:38 PM
always just loved the idea of a dude drawing a knife and cut him self in the hand and mix the blood into the magic and BOOM!

but this give me some ideas to work out from

true_shinken
2011-02-21, 01:41 PM
Just take Blood Magus, really. I once had a player who used the scarification feature to great effect.

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:43 PM
but I will only get 3 levels in it, and we are without progression for QUITE some time, so it need to be more or less uptimized at that level

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:46 PM
the Tainted Scholer looks like the shizzle

so basicly its for warlock/wizard build?

Eldan
2011-02-21, 01:49 PM
If you are open to some reflavouring:

Take a Psion, and the feats Overchannel (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#overchannel) and Body Fuel (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#bodyFuel). Now you can take damage to make your powers stronger, and ability damage to regain power points. Just take thematically appropriate powers and call yourself a magus.

Urpriest
2011-02-21, 01:51 PM
the Tainted Scholer looks like the shizzle

so basicly its for warlock/wizard build?

No, why do you think that? The Warlock/Wizard class is Eldritch Theurge.

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:51 PM
uuuh thats sounds nice to, thank you mate...

just the idea of being insane enough to cut into your self to get powers is awesome :)

Weirdlet
2011-02-21, 01:52 PM
There *is* a class in the BoEF that would fit this mechanically, I think. You fuel metamagic by taking stat damage- Con or Strength would fit nicely. (In the context of the book it comes from, with the addition of the Appearance stat it gets wildly broken, but out of that context, it's kind of nifty.)

Darklady2831
2011-02-21, 01:53 PM
Hmm... would an undead blood mage even be possible?

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:54 PM
@urpreist: then what would you build it like? need least invocation and 1st arcane spells

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:55 PM
BoEF `???

Book of EF?

Aharon
2011-02-21, 01:58 PM
@Bagger
Or, not And. You can enter Tainted Scholar as either a Warlock or a traditional arcane caster. And the Build is just (your class 5)/Tainted Scholar 3, unless you want early entry shenanigans.

BoEF stands for Book of Erotic Fantasy, and the PrC is the Metaphysical Spellshaper.

Bagger
2011-02-21, 01:59 PM
hey go crazy in cheese :)

Voldecanter
2011-02-21, 02:06 PM
HERE YOU GO. (http://www.pen-paper.net/rpgdb.php?op=showbook&bookid=3276)

Encyclopaedia Arcane: Blood Magic is a book that will suit all of your needs, feats etc, for you to dig your little hands in. And the best thing is that Blood Magic is a CLASS AUGMENT to an Arcane Caster Class, meaning you don't need to worry about Class Levels Etc......all you need is the rituals, the Tools (Items), and the Skills (I think there are skills checks and feats needed, I could be wrong...)....THIS IS YOUR BEST BET FOR WHAT YOU WANT!

tuesdayscoming
2011-02-21, 02:10 PM
Art thou a man... or a mouse?!

For blood-magic AND power, try this guy. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/campaigns/taint.htm#taintedSorcerer) :smallamused:

One level of Binder (for Naberius) plus this guy's Tainted Metamagic. Gah, such epic awsomeness!

BenTheJester
2011-02-21, 02:24 PM
I know you said no homebrew, but I'm putting this out there:

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19525234/34;The_Lords_of_the_Blood34;_(Base_Class)_(PEACH)

Psyren
2011-02-21, 02:31 PM
If you are open to some reflavouring:

Take a Psion, and the feats Overchannel (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#overchannel) and Body Fuel (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#bodyFuel). Now you can take damage to make your powers stronger, and ability damage to regain power points. Just take thematically appropriate powers and call yourself a magus.

Repeat after me:

Body Fuel sucks.
Body Fuel sucks!
Body Fuel sucks!

You damage ALL your physical ability scores (read: the ones separating your mega-brain from a messy end.) By 2 points. That can't be magically healed. For 1 PP! Under no sane reading is 6 total points of ability damage worth a single power point; I don't care how badly you need it.

If you must take a feat to gain extra PP, use Psychic Meditation (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040827b) instead. No prereqs, no restrictions, it scales automatically without forcing you to burn yourself up like cellophane, and later on when you don't need the ammunition you can focus on your other chakras instead.

Bagger
2011-02-21, 02:46 PM
why is blood magus not worth it btw?


and cant someone set up a build?

if you can be arsed

Psyren
2011-02-21, 02:54 PM
why is blood magus not worth it btw?

One of the biggest problems with it is that you basically dump two feats (GF & Toughness) and in return, get two very watered-down versions of mediocre feats in exchange. (Scribe Scroll - only usable by you; and Brew Potion - people must drink your blood to use.)

Then there's the especially pesky prereq of needing to die and be raised before you can enter the class.

Eschew materials is nice though, and the bonus to concentration checks to keep your spells is useful too.

The class isn't bad, just mediocre. It's more about your other options than BM itself not being good.

Bagger
2011-02-21, 03:04 PM
but if you should make a blood mage then, what would you take then