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_felagund
2011-02-23, 08:35 AM
hey,
if i cast Fox Cunning on my wizard, all will saves of my enemies needs extra +4 right?
if so, isnt it quite powerfull for a level 2 spell? :)
pilvento
2011-02-23, 08:39 AM
hey,
if i cast Fox Cunning on my wizard, all will saves of my enemies needs extra +4 right?
if so, isnt it quite powerfull for a level 2 spell? :)
dont forget that saves are 10 + spell lvl + stat modifier (int in ur case)
so since fox cunning gives 4 int, that means a +2 int modifier = +2 to spell saves
_felagund
2011-02-23, 08:52 AM
yes you are right about +2,
and i got my answer thanks.
dont forget that saves are 10 + spell lvl + stat modifier (int in ur case)
so since fox cunning gives 4 int, that means a +2 int modifier = +2 to spell saves
Darkfire
2011-02-23, 09:04 AM
Unfortunately, it's an enhancement bonus so it won't stack with what's provided by a headband of intellect rendering it less useful and eventually making it obsolete (assuming standard WBL, a +4 HoI is affordable at 7th and the +6 version is craftable at 8th).
Namfuak
2013-02-19, 09:07 AM
I can't help to feel compelled to correct u all.
Will save is NOT modified by your primary casting stat but solely by:
Base save + WISDOM modifier (+ any magical modifier + any miscelaneous modifier + temporary modifier)
Ergo: Casting Fox's Cunning will grant you +4 Int which in no way effects will saves. You will need to cast Owl's Wisdom to gain +4 enhancement bonus to wisdom, which raises your Will save by +2)
Note: Enhancement bonuses overlap-, but do NOT stack with other enhancement bonuses.
He said his enemy's will save, which most likely means he meant the saves of his spells. Assuming he's a wizard or other int-based caster, the previous answers were correct.
Scow2
2013-02-19, 09:09 AM
I can't help to feel compelled to correct u all.
Will save is NOT modified by your primary casting stat but solely by:
Base save + WISDOM modifier (+ any magical modifier + any miscelaneous modifier + temporary modifier)
Ergo: Casting Fox's Cunning will grant you +4 Int which in no way effects will saves. You will need to cast Owl's Wisdom to gain +4 enhancement bonus to wisdom, which raises your Will save by +2)
Note: Enhancement bonuses overlap-, but do NOT stack with other enhancement bonuses.
They're talking Save DCs of the wizard's spells - not the will save of the wizard.
SirKillalot
2013-02-19, 09:18 AM
They're talking Save DCs of the wizard's spells - not the will save of the wizard.
:smallbiggrin: I was deleting my message as I posted it. Misread, my bad
Oscredwin
2013-02-19, 09:18 AM
I can't help to feel compelled to correct u all.
What Pilvento is talking about is Spell DC (Difficulty Class) and NOT will save against a spell.
- The spell DC is determined by the caster of the spell. (spell lvl + ability modifier + any bonuses)
- The Save is determined by the target of the spell. (Base save + WISDOM modifier + any magical, miscellaneous or temporary modifier)
Ergo: Casting Fox's Cunning will grant you +4 Int which in no way effects will saves. You will need to cast Owl's Wisdom to gain +4 enhancement bonus to wisdom, which raises your Will save by +2)
Note: Enhancement bonuses overlap-, but do NOT stack with other enhancement bonuses.
I can't help to feel compelled to correct u.
The original poster referred to
will saves of my enemieswhich are effected if a wizard casts Fox's cunning on himself, and then casts a spell that requires a will save on his enemies.
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