(3.5) spell caster templates

[kayden87]

is there any templates that benefit sorcs or wizards? other than magic blooded, cant find a 3.5 source of it

[FMArthur]

Unseelie Fey from the Dragon Compendium can get you another +2 to charisma... but it doesn't have any level adjustment (not even 0 level adjustment) unless you take the sample gnome warrior there. Some see fit to treat that as LA +0 despite giving you very obvious gains over the base race. Make of that what you will.

[Amnestic]

Unseelie Fey (Dragon Compendium) offers -2 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Con, +2 Cha and a variety of other benefits (wings, senses, a spell like ability). Requires you to be Evil though.

Edit: Totally swordsage'd.

[kayden87]

oh ok cool. yeah cause im being a old kobold with dragonwrought, my dm wont let me be a loredrake also lol, so gotta find somthing that gives 2 chr at leaste. that fey one would work. aslong as my dm wont think its op

[FMArthur]

He certainly will and it takes houseruling to work at all. It's more powerful than Magic-Blooded and even that's a little too good for 0 LA. Why do you feel you need +4 or more as a racial charisma bonus? It sounds like you're trying to cheese as hard as possible and your DM probably doesn't want that.

[kayden87]

good point... lol

[Flickerdart]

There's always White Dragonspawn. Heh.

[kayden87]

dragon types/subtypes cant be dragon spawn though.

as far as I know

[sreservoir]

dragon types/subtypes cant be dragon spawn though.

as far as I know

inherited templates are before feats.

[kayden87]

oh really? any book that has that as source? or juss comon logic

edit... kobold is dragon subtype still so how would dragonspawn work on it

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

inherited templates are before feats.

Dragonspawn is an acquired template, though. Dragonwrought Kobold cannot be Dragonspawn no matter how hard you try to cheese it.

[Vknight]

Though we all wish we could cheese the 2 together in cheesee harmony.

[sreservoir]

Dragonspawn is an acquired template, though. Dragonwrought Kobold cannot be Dragonspawn no matter how hard you try to cheese it.

where does it say it's acquired? I mean, it doesn't say inherited, either, and the fluff implies acquired, I guess, but.

[FMArthur]

It also enters sort of a wierd area where the rules for character generation just sit there in confusion with Dragonwrought itself being something you are apparently born with rather than an acquired skill like most feats.

[Last Laugh]

Phrenic from Expanded Psionics Handbook is LA +2 (Which kinda makes it anti-caster) but provides many psi-like abilities, including teleport. +2 int, +2 wis, +4 cha IIRC

[nedz]

I hear Lich is quite good :smallcool:

Ignoring LA of +3 or more

Draconic (RotD p74) (Dcn p150) Str +2 Con +2 Cha +2 LA +1

Half-Fey (FF p89) (3.5up p24)+ Dex +2 Con –2 Wis +2 Cha +4 LA +2

Half-Vampire (LM p107) Str +2 Dex +2 Cha +2 LA +2

[FMArthur]

I hear Stephen Hawking is a pretty fast runner :smallcool:

Ignoring the fact that he's paralyzed.


Well, maybe I'm exaggerating the effects of Level Adjustment on a spellcaster in that comparison, but it really is nothing short of devastating to a character with +3 LA or more on a Sorceror.

[sreservoir]

If we get into LA templates, then half-nymph (Dragon 313) at LA+2 is Dex +2, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4, iirc; and Draconic (RotD) at LA+1 is Str +2, Con +2, Cha +2. Funny that Draconic doesn't discriminate against dragonblood, really.

LA greater than 2 hurts even with buyoff.

[sreservoir]

If we get into LA templates, then half-nymph (Dragon 313) at LA+2 is Dex +2, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4, iirc; and Draconic (RotD) at LA+1 is Str +2, Con +2, Cha +2. Funny that Draconic doesn't discriminate against dragonblood, really.

LA greater than 2 hurts even with buyoff.

[Voldecanter]

You should tell your Dungeon Master what you are going to do. It might allow him to look up the material for you, and when you find something he won't get the wrong impression of what you are trying to do. This will save you both a great amount of time looking for templates that benefit you, and also save you from arguing over templates that you choose, which the dungeon master might find unsavory.

[faceroll]

Draconic is +2 con, +2 str and +2cha for LA +1, and some other benefits.


inherited templates are before feats.

It's not inherited.

[Last Laugh]

You should tell your Dungeon Master what you are going to do. It might allow him to look up the material for you, and when you find something he won't get the wrong impression of what you are trying to do. This will save you both a great amount of time looking for templates that benefit you, and also save you from arguing over templates that you choose, which the dungeon master might find unsavory.

This is good advice, Whenever I make a build that could pose party problems or is capable of extra-impressive things I go to my dm and say "look, this build is really cool, fun abilities all around! I want you to know that THIS is the most powerful thing he is capable of and THESE are the consequences I can think of. Can I play this?"

Edit: I like Draconic because it's a cheap source of permanent claw attacks.

For wisdom based casters FERAL kicks buns. (clerics esp, you can CoDHULK) Savage species btdubs