Eldritch Theurge ideas

[Waker]

In my endless pondering over character ideas I find myself coming up short with a good wrap up for a character I've been thinking about. The character in question will be a focused specialist Conjurer (ban Evocation, Necromancy and Enchantment) who bargained to become a Warlock and then went into the Eldritch Theurge class. I would plan to take three levels of Wizard, three of Warlock and the full ten of Theurge. Now the question is what to take for the final four levels? If possible I would like to advance both base classes' spellcasting power, but I am not adverse to sacrifices spells for something else.

The role playing idea for the character has him at Lawful Evil. For race I'm inclined towards Illumian with the Naenkrau sigil. I'm willing to substitute the race or alignment for something else though.

Mechanically I am going for a guy who uses his invocations mostly for all-day buffs while using his spells for battlefield control and calling in back-up.

No third party books, but Dragon is ok. No cheese.

[Pechvarry]

No cheese.

Pretty sure that shoots the only way to get 4 more levels of +invocation/+caster level, unless your DM lets you make the same mystic theurge exception as Shadowcasters get (subbing the divine req for invocation casting, in this instance).

Amazed you're giving up necromancy on a warlock character. I'd consider normal specialist just to get it back.

[Waker]

Amazed you're giving up necromancy on a warlock character. I'd consider normal specialist just to get it back.
Ultimately I haven't settled on anything, the character doesn't exist anywhere save in my head. Though necromancy does have a number of potent spells, I don't really care to use them on this character as he is more of a diabolist rather than a necromancer.

[Paul H]

Hi

Just a thought, but have you considered either Beguiler or Warmage for Battlefield Control?

Beguilers use their illusions & enchantments to control, Warmages just blast or cast Evard's Tentacles & the like. Both aer spont casters (Beeguiler Int, Warmage Cha).

Thanks
Paul H

[only1doug]

Epic level handbook discusses extending 10 Level prestige classes into epic. Discuss with your DM and maybe you can homebrew an acceptable 4 Level extension to fill the gap.

[dextercorvia]

I'm not sure what you consider cheese....

Southern Magician + Contemplative should do it.

Southern Magician lets you cast arcane spells as divine, so you qualify for Contemplative.

Contemplative advances Wizard casting (or Warlock invocations), and, since you do not belong to a divine spellcasting class gives you cleric casting at your Contemplative level. This makes Contemplative a divine spellcasting class. (Most PrC's don't work this way.)

Now you can take three levels of Mystic Theurge advancing Warlock on the arcane side and Contemplative on the divine side.


When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in any one arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class and any one divine spellcasting class he belonged to previously.

So you gain spells per day, etc. as if you had gained a level in Contemplative, which means you gain extra cleric casting and wizard casting from it.

[dark.sun.druid]

I'm not sure what you consider cheese....

Southern Magician + Contemplative should do it.

Southern Magician lets you cast arcane spells as divine, so you qualify for Contemplative.

Contemplative advances Wizard casting (or Warlock invocations), and, since you do not belong to a divine spellcasting class gives you cleric casting at your Contemplative level. This makes Contemplative a divine spellcasting class. (Most PrC's don't work this way.)

Now you can take three levels of Mystic Theurge advancing Warlock on the arcane side and Contemplative on the divine side.



So you gain spells per day, etc. as if you had gained a level in Contemplative, which means you gain extra cleric casting and wizard casting from it.

I like this idea, personally. Now you can cast arcane and divine spells, as well as invocations, which makes you an extremely diverse caster. If I did this, I would focus on buff spells with the cleric levels. You can buff yourself in this way, and since you're specialized as a conjurer you could also buff some of your summoned allies for extra power.

[Re'ozul]

Beguiler warlock works very well.
Depending on wether you want to actually use eldritch blast, you could ask wether you can trade in the d6-es for an invocation each.
That would make you more versatile.
Warlocks get charm monster and Suggestion (with extra suggestion power) at-will, so they make great tricksters and infiltrators.

[Noneoyabizzness]

I'm not sure what you consider cheese....

Southern Magician + Contemplative should do it.

Southern Magician lets you cast arcane spells as divine, so you qualify for Contemplative.

Contemplative advances Wizard casting (or Warlock invocations), and, since you do not belong to a divine spellcasting class gives you cleric casting at your Contemplative level. This makes Contemplative a divine spellcasting class. (Most PrC's don't work this way.)

Now you can take three levels of Mystic Theurge advancing Warlock on the arcane side and Contemplative on the divine side.



So you gain spells per day, etc. as if you had gained a level in Contemplative, which means you gain extra cleric casting and wizard casting from it.

Actually, the wording seems to sound more like if you didnt belong to a divine spellcastin class, you instead get spell prgression equal to a cleric of the patron diety as the comtemplatives level

[dextercorvia]

Actually, the wording seems to sound more like if you didnt belong to a divine spellcastin class, you instead get spell prgression equal to a cleric of the patron diety as the comtemplatives level

There is no instead. There are 3 clauses there.

1. Contemplative advances any casting class.
2. If you have two or more divine casting classes, you must choose 1 to advance.
3. If you have no divine casting classes, you gain cleric casting at your contemplative level.

2 & 3 are mutually exclusive, but 1&2, or 1&3 are fine.