Felger
2011-03-03, 04:47 PM
So, I'm playing a spellthief/sorcerer, and I've been trying to play it as a half-spellcaster, half rogue-type character. Currently, I'm at lv 4, 2 sorc/2 spellthief and I'm looking at what to do with the character, since it's fairly weak on both the spellthief side and the sorcerer side of things.
I've been looking at a couple of prestige classes that might mesh well with the spellthief (I've noticed in almost every spellthief thread I've been able to find, everyone recommends Unseen Seer, from the complete mage)
Specifically, I'm looking for several properties in the prestige class:
Extra Sneak Attack damage (For spell-stealing, and for doing decent damage against non-spellcasters)
Extra spellcasting abilities (actual spells known progression)
Preferrably rogue class skills (I'll be functioning as the party's rogue when it comes to traps, sneaking, etc)
Anyway, the prestige classes I've found that fit this bill are:
Arcane Trickster (DMG 1)
Pros
Most sneak attack damage of the three classes
Actually has disable device as a class skill (Also, ranged disable device with Mage Hand)
Impromptu Sneak Attack is really nice for the spellthief (stealing spells at a whim)
Better saves
Cons
Not as many caster-specific special abilities
Lower Base Attack Progression
d4 hit die
Unseen Seer (Complete Mage)
Pros
Extra spells known (Great since I'm a sorcerer as my other class)
Divination Bonus is a marginal bonus, nice for self-buffs and other stuff.
Silent Spell Bonus feat
Better BAB progression than Arcane Trickster
Cons
d4 hit die
Lower saves
Divination Bonus means drop in spell level for other spells, which won't be too bad, since I'm taking a spell level bonus with Master Spellthief, and my spellthief levels.
Has search, but no disable device.
Daggerspell Mage (Complete Adventurer)
Pros
Same BAB progression as unseen seer, higher than Arcane Trickster
Daggercasting. Major plus there, using dagger attacks as deliveries for touch spells, effectively bonus damage for dagger attacks. Lots of bonus damage.
Don't have to put away daggers to cast
Pretty nice class abilities relating to combining daggers and casting.
Cons
Delayed spells known / per day progression compared to the other two classes.
No Disable Device or Search as class skills.
Lowest Sneak Attack Progression of the three
Has to use daggers, eliminates other, slightly higher damage light weapons.
In any case, looking for input on these, or any other ideas anyone has on classes / prestige classes / feats / skill tricks, etc. If it's helpful, the character is neutral good, and acts as an somewhat freelance agent for a semi-autocratic coalition, so would have reason to be secretive. I can post more character description if it's helpful.
I've been looking at a couple of prestige classes that might mesh well with the spellthief (I've noticed in almost every spellthief thread I've been able to find, everyone recommends Unseen Seer, from the complete mage)
Specifically, I'm looking for several properties in the prestige class:
Extra Sneak Attack damage (For spell-stealing, and for doing decent damage against non-spellcasters)
Extra spellcasting abilities (actual spells known progression)
Preferrably rogue class skills (I'll be functioning as the party's rogue when it comes to traps, sneaking, etc)
Anyway, the prestige classes I've found that fit this bill are:
Arcane Trickster (DMG 1)
Pros
Most sneak attack damage of the three classes
Actually has disable device as a class skill (Also, ranged disable device with Mage Hand)
Impromptu Sneak Attack is really nice for the spellthief (stealing spells at a whim)
Better saves
Cons
Not as many caster-specific special abilities
Lower Base Attack Progression
d4 hit die
Unseen Seer (Complete Mage)
Pros
Extra spells known (Great since I'm a sorcerer as my other class)
Divination Bonus is a marginal bonus, nice for self-buffs and other stuff.
Silent Spell Bonus feat
Better BAB progression than Arcane Trickster
Cons
d4 hit die
Lower saves
Divination Bonus means drop in spell level for other spells, which won't be too bad, since I'm taking a spell level bonus with Master Spellthief, and my spellthief levels.
Has search, but no disable device.
Daggerspell Mage (Complete Adventurer)
Pros
Same BAB progression as unseen seer, higher than Arcane Trickster
Daggercasting. Major plus there, using dagger attacks as deliveries for touch spells, effectively bonus damage for dagger attacks. Lots of bonus damage.
Don't have to put away daggers to cast
Pretty nice class abilities relating to combining daggers and casting.
Cons
Delayed spells known / per day progression compared to the other two classes.
No Disable Device or Search as class skills.
Lowest Sneak Attack Progression of the three
Has to use daggers, eliminates other, slightly higher damage light weapons.
In any case, looking for input on these, or any other ideas anyone has on classes / prestige classes / feats / skill tricks, etc. If it's helpful, the character is neutral good, and acts as an somewhat freelance agent for a semi-autocratic coalition, so would have reason to be secretive. I can post more character description if it's helpful.