shatter spell

[rye0006]

What objects can (and should) I use shatter against? can you use it to target enemy weapons?

[Yuki Akuma]

You can use it against any rigid object. Doors, for instance. Or locks if you want to be a bit more discrete.

Yes, you should totally use it on weapons. No effect on magic weapons, though, and held weaopns get a save.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Quivers on the other hand...spell component pouches...holy symbols...

Belt Buckles...

[Qwertystop]

Heavily starched and therefore stiff pants...

[bloodtide]

Anything and everything.

Shatter is a great spell that can destroy any object.

Some classics:

1.Any door
2.Any lock
3.Anything that is a support, like a rope for a rope bridge
4.Discarded enemy weapons or items
5.Anything important to them. This works great with for example that scroll of secret notes or an idol or the clay tablet of information. It's also a great way to get rid of evidence.

[Combat Reflexes]

1.Any door
2.Any lock
3.Anything that is a support, like a rope for a rope bridge
4.Discarded enemy weapons or items
5.Anything important to them. This works great with for example that scroll of secret notes or an idol or the clay tablet of information. It's also a great way to get rid of evidence.

5a. material component pouch :smallamused:
5b. bardic instrument
5c. that holly/mistletoe thing that druids use as DF
5d. pacemaker(?)

6. the rope holding the big heavy chandelier up!

[Qwertystop]

5a. material component pouch :smallamused:
5b. bardic instrument
5c. that holly/mistletoe thing that druids use as DF
5d. pacemaker(?)

6. the rope holding the big heavy chandelier up!

And I still think that shattering pants is the best one. Or heavy armor, the Fighters and Barbarians are unlikely to have a good Will save.

[Lyndworm]

Doesn't shatter only target rigid objects? That would make material component pouches ineligible for the spell. You might be able to target the material components themselves, however.

I just double-checked... I'm totally wrong. If you use the targeted version of the spell you can affect an object "regardless of composition." Material component pouches are totally viable targets.

[Noblesse]

I second either the armor or the weapon of a fighter. Armor for medium/heavy armors, weapon if they are wearing light armor.

[Aergoth]

The floorboards they're standing on. Double points if it's a boat.

[No brains]

Wouldn't quickly shaking chain mail just tickle?:smallsmile:

[Ravens_cry]

Wouldn't quickly shaking chain mail just tickle?:smallsmile:
Depends on how fast its shaking. If it's basically vibrating, it's going to rub you RAW.

[Qwertystop]

Depends on how fast its shaking. If it's basically vibrating, it's going to rub you RAW.

No, not RAW. Maybe RAI, if you stretch it, but not RAW.
:smallbiggrin:

[Ravens_cry]

No, not RAW. Maybe RAI, if you stretch it, but not RAW.
:smallbiggrin:
Ho ho, very funny. Ha ha, it is to laugh.

[maysarahs]

IIRC the spell excludes armor from being targetted by the spell

[Lyndworm]

IIRC the spell excludes armor from being targetted by the spell

It only excludes magical items and items weighing more than 10lbs/level. Everything else is fair game. Everything.

[Lord_Gareth]

It only excludes magical items and items weighing more than 10lbs/level. Everything else is fair game. Everything.

Including the sorceress's cocktail dress at the royal gala.

Just sayin'.

[Combat Reflexes]

And I still think that shattering pants is the best one. Or heavy armor, the Fighters and Barbarians are unlikely to have a good Will save.

How exactly do pants 'shatter'?

It would make an awesome character name, though:
Me? I'm Wilhelm Shatterpants of Unzip!


EDIT: hmm, shatter the DM screen :smallbiggrin:

[Thurbane]

Could you really shatter a spell component pouch? I picture them as something like a large medieval money purse, probably leather.

Shatter creates a loud, ringing noise that breaks brittle, nonmagical objects; sunders a single solid, nonmagical object; or damages a crystalline creature.
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Alternatively, you can target shatter against a single solid object, regardless of composition, weighing up to 10 pounds per caster level.

[Kuma Kode]

Could you really shatter a spell component pouch? I picture them as something like a large medieval money purse, probably leather.

The semicolons in the description separate different uses, they're not all descriptors of what it can affect. If used as an area, it only affects brittle objects. If used against a crystalline creature, it damages them. If used against a single object, it will destroy it regardless of composition. It becomes less "shatter" and more "shred" when used on leather and such, but it does specifically say the single target version affects things regardless of composition.

But yeah, obviously sundering equipment you don't care about or equipment you're afraid of (the barbarian's greataxe), anything needed for spells, battlefield manipulation in the form of breaking doors and chains... pretty much anything you want so long as it fits within the weight limit.

The problem is the spell doesn't actually define what an "object" is, so it's unclear whether targeting pieces of a larger whole is viable. If the enemy's full plate is too heavy, can you target the buckles that keep it on him or not? Can you target each metal plate individually and ruin it that way? Or is the entire object protected because it says it's 50 lbs. in the Player's Handbook?

The versatility of the spell makes it fantastic for beginning warlocks, though if the emergence of magic items becomes a problem, you can always swap it out.

[Moglorosh]

Could you really shatter a spell component pouch? I picture them as something like a large medieval money purse, probably leather.

If it's not a liquid, and it's not a gas, and it's not plasma, then it's solid.

[Ravens_cry]

If it's not a liquid, and it's not a gas, and it's not plasma, then it's solid.
Or a Bose-Einstein condensate.:smallbiggrin:

[Moglorosh]

Or a Bose-Einstein condensate.:smallbiggrin:
See, I almost left plasma out, but then I decided that someone would go and do this. Then, lo and behold, I get this. Sigh...

[Ravens_cry]

See, I almost left plasma out, but then I decided that someone would go and do this. Then, lo and behold, I get this. Sigh...

I am a smart ass. Did I mention I am a smart ass? Well I am.:smalltongue:

[maysarahs]

It only excludes magical items and items weighing more than 10lbs/level. Everything else is fair game. Everything.

Huh, I swear my DM pulled that on me the one time I was in deep trouble, and I couldn't do anything else about it...

[veven]

I feel like shattering a spell component pouch would be dangerous....

Suddenly and infinite supply of bat guano fills the world.
Everybody dies.

[Ormur]

Or a Bose-Einstein condensate.:smallbiggrin:

I wonder what the gp cost of armour made from metallic hydrogen would be.

[Qwertystop]

I wonder what the gp cost of armour made from metallic hydrogen would be.

The cost of one epic spell that creates several million d4 cold damage every round to a target indefinitely, plus a mold into which hydrogen gas is released from underneath. A cold immunity item on the wearer is advised.

EDIT: The d4 damage size is to reduce variability, while the enormous amount is to ensure it will work.