Help me find a PRC

[Jallorn]

Does Shot on the Run involve a full round action, or a standard action? I couldn't really figure out which they meant.

Since I have a question that is related to the same character the above was, I think I repurpose this thread since we can't make new threads.

I'm looking for a PRC that can be taken by a warlock, has full spellcasting progression, and a good BAB. Homebrew is probably okay.

I'm also considering the possibility of a PRC that progresses Skirmish damage and has Full BAB. It's Gestalt.

[SilverLeaf167]

I simply give them a free move after firing if they have already moved during the turn, it's the simplest way.

[Tehnar]

It is a amalgam of actions. It just breaks the general rule that you must finish one action before starting another. The shooting part uses your standard action, and the moving part uses your move action. The only thing it changes is that now you can "interrupt" your move action with a standard action in which you shoot.

[Veyr]

You still get one Move Action, and one Standard Action, and neither does anything special. You're just allowed to take both at once, so you can use your move action to move, and your standard to shoot while in the middle of that move.

If you'd like, you might consider it as "the character moves X squares as a Move Action, makes his attack as a Standard Action, and then moves Y squares, continuing the original Move Action (i.e. no additional actions expended), such that X + Y ≤ his total movement speed."

[Bagelz]

I assume your talking about 3.x (because that really isn't clear).
It works just like spring attack.
instead of being able to stand still and take a full round attack
or move then single attack
or single attack then move

you get to stand still and take full round attack,
or move then single attack, then move again.

[Kuma Kode]

What the others have said is correct.

Note, however, that due to their wordings, you cannot combine Shot on the Run with Rapid Shot (which requires a full-round action) or Manyshot (which is a standard action). That trips up players looking to do archery a lot.

[Daftendirekt]

Shot on the Run is just a ranged version of Spring Attack. You can move part of your total movement speed, make your attack, and then move the rest of your movement speed.

[Jallorn]

So that's a no on hiding after a shot on the run, yeah?

[Veyr]

If you can get behind cover/concealment, I don't see why not... this would not be the same as Sniping. Sniping covers breaking cover (standing up from behind that wall, whatever), attacking, and ducking back behind it before they see where the shot came from. With Shot on the Run, you're actually moving to the cover. On the other hand, you're also being directly observed, so you do need some way of dealing with that (some variation on Hide in Plain Sight). If you get to Total Cover, though (run behind a wall), you don't even need to roll Hide at all: you have Total Cover.

[Jallorn]

If you can get behind cover/concealment, I don't see why not... this would not be the same as Sniping. Sniping covers breaking cover (standing up from behind that wall, whatever), attacking, and ducking back behind it before they see where the shot came from. With Shot on the Run, you're actually moving to the cover. On the other hand, you're also being directly observed, so you do need some way of dealing with that (some variation on Hide in Plain Sight). If you get to Total Cover, though (run behind a wall), you don't even need to roll Hide at all: you have Total Cover.

Good to know, thanks. And I do have Hide in Plain Sight.

[Diarmuid]

What the others have said is correct.

Note, however, that due to their wordings, you cannot combine Shot on the Run with Rapid Shot (which requires a full-round action) or Manyshot (which is a standard action). That trips up players looking to do archery a lot.

While I believe you are correct RaW, I think I would probably allow for Manyshot to be used "On the Run". That attack action is a standard action, as is Manyshot so the action economy isnt broken but I do concede that SotR is very specific in that it allows for an attack action and not a Standard Action.

[Kuma Kode]

While I believe you are correct RaW, I think I would probably allow for Manyshot to be used "On the Run". That attack action is a standard action, as is Manyshot so the action economy isnt broken but I do concede that SotR is very specific in that it allows for an attack action and not a Standard Action.

Yeah. Manyshot is phrased such that it is its own standard action, separate from a typical attack action in much the same way that spellcasting or activating a device are, which Shot on the Run does not allow.

However, like you, I allow Manyshot during Shot on the Run anyway. :smallamused:

[Jallorn]

Since my original question has been answered, and I have another, and being able to make new threads is not available, I have repurposed this thread.

[Ernir]

I don't there is one that fits the criteria. Full BAB + full casting only happens on the Abjurant Champion that I know of/remember, and that one doesn't work for Warlocks.

[Doc Roc]

There are a couple in hbrew, I think, but nothing is coming to mind in the game proper. Full casting makes this really hard.

[SurlySeraph]

Is Eldritch Theurge (Complete Mage) not good enough? Full casting, full invocation progression, 3/4 BAB, its special abilities aren't useless, and you can easily enter with Warlock 1/ [arcane caster] 4/ Eldritch Theurge X.

[Jallorn]

I need full BAB as well. The full casting is for the Warlock, not another casting class, and I have no intention of putting any casting class into my build, so yeah, no that doesn't work.

[Veyr]

The easiest thing is to houserule some alternate entry into Abjurant Champion for Warlocks. Maybe a Mage Armor Least Invocation that you'd need to take (RAW it still wouldn't work but it'd be fitting enough)? Putting Shield in as another Least Invocation might also be a good idea, though then that's kind of redundant (it stacks and would probably be worth it, but with as few Invocations as Warlocks actually get...). Actually, probably best to do something that is like one or the other, but better somehow (some additional effect), and is a Lesser Invocation, and the other stays normal as a Least.

Unfortunately, Abjurant Champion is only 5 levels. I wonder if any Initiating Warlock PrC exists?

[nedz]

The easiest thing is to houserule some alternate entry into Abjurant Champion for Warlocks. Maybe a Mage Armor Least Invocation that you'd need to take (RAW it still wouldn't work but it'd be fitting enough)? Putting Shield in as another Least Invocation might also be a good idea, though then that's kind of redundant (it stacks and would probably be worth it, but with as few Invocations as Warlocks actually get...). Actually, probably best to do something that is like one or the other, but better somehow (some additional effect), and is a Lesser Invocation, and the other stays normal as a Least.

Unfortunately, Abjurant Champion is only 5 levels. I wonder if any Initiating Warlock PrC exists?

Something like the Eberon feat Binding Brand might be appropriate, especially since they are SLAs.
Guidance, Protection from Evil, Resistance, 1/day as a Spell-Like Ability

Well thats two Abjurations as SLAs anyway, just need an Invokation:
Dark One's Own Luck or Entropic Warding perhaps, though there are probably others.

[SurlySeraph]

Ah, got it.
I know of a couple homebrew Warlock PrCs. Warrior of the Fiend-Blood (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109661) is full BAB and full casting until 9th level. Demonspawn Harbinger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80360) and Eldritch Blademaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70397) are full BAB but lose invoker levels. Chosen of the Morningstar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124043) is full invoking, but not full BAB. There are probably others.

As Veyr suggested, invocations that give you armor or shield bonuses would be helpful if your DM rules they count as abjuration and can be used to qualify for Eldritch Knight.

This thread (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=9bgbkfacpohiq03j163sgo06j5&topic=7230.0) should help a bit. [Whatever gets you to +5 BAB]/ Abjurant Champion 5/ Dragonslayer 1/ Spellsword 1 is decent. Knight Phantom and Eldritch Knight lose CL but are usable.

[Jallorn]

Ah, got it.
I know of a couple homebrew Warlock PrCs. Warrior of the Fiend-Blood (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109661) is full BAB and full casting until 9th level. Demonspawn Harbinger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80360) and Eldritch Blademaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70397) are full BAB but lose invoker levels. Chosen of the Morningstar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124043) is full invoking, but not full BAB. There are probably others.

As Veyr suggested, invocations that give you armor or shield bonuses would be helpful if your DM rules they count as abjuration and can be used to qualify for Eldritch Knight.

This thread (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?PHPSESSID=9bgbkfacpohiq03j163sgo06j5&topic=7230.0) should help a bit. [Whatever gets you to +5 BAB]/ Abjurant Champion 5/ Dragonslayer 1/ Spellsword 1 is decent. Knight Phantom and Eldritch Knight lose CL but are usable.

Those are mostly what I'm looking for, but I'm not using ToB, so the maneuvers don't work.