A Wild Pokemon Thread 9 Appears! You Used Reply! It's Super Effective!

[Deth Muncher]

Hey kids, it's time for the ninth Pokemon Thread In The Playground! Lets see if this thread can last longer than a week, huh? :P I'll be going back through the last thread to look for FCs and such.


Copypasta, hoooooo!


Hey, these here? These are friend codes (Partially out of date: If they are, post your new codes now and I'll fix them). For your friends. If you're not on here? It means you're not friendly. Also that for whatever reason they didn't get put here. If you're not here, just mention it whenever you can - don't PM me, though, since my box is almost full.
FRIEND CODES:

Legoshrimp: SoulSilver 1849 3954 2553; Diamond 2923 1445 3340.
Kobold Bard: HeartGold 4168 8792 1683.
Freako: SoulSilver 2966 0800 3851; Platinum 1333 4517 6347.
Jimp: SoulSilver 2407 7659 7056
tgva8889: Platinum 3438 0598 0009; SoulSilver 3052 0635 4414
Mattarias, King.: HeartGold 3524 4231 3529; White: 4770 6741 0740.
Linkavitch: HeartGold: 5027 8564 5267
SparkMandriller: 4th Gen, Cart. Unknown 2277 4598 3685
B-Man: SoulSilver: 5371 4488 1062
goldfly: HeartGold: 0174 5615 7997; Black:2537 2940 1185
Deth Muncher: Platinum: 1162 2087 3138
Terry576: Diamond: 0174 5674 2515
AtlanteanTroll: Platinum: 1505 6983 3009; Soul Silver: 1291 5054 9504; White: 3911-6794-1526
master256: HeartGold:4770 4806 9656; Platinum:2450 2269 2301
The-Mage-King: Diamond: 5369 7209 0920; White: 1119 9646 0217
bue52: Platinum:0088 3371 2579; HeartGold: 0689 7808 4229
Geno9999: SoulSilver:1892 8459 0727; Pearl: 5328 7909 7435
oxybe: Heart Gold: 4684 4678 9165; White: 1162 9092 9501
Drascin: B/W? 3525 1309 6530
Ryzouken: Black: 4512 9802 0628; Platinum: 3782 2115 8275
Deuxhero: White: 4727 7229 9821; Soul Silver: 3481 6327 5325
FantasyFoxMan: Heart Gold: 1677-9053-6018; White: 1377-6516-2321
CoffeeIncluded: White: 0389-8063-2889
ShinyRocks: B/W? 2064 8383 8632
Turalisj: B/W? 4684-8033-0061


Related to the friend codes is the IRC. I don't know what an IRC is, but it apparently is some sort of chatty thing? Use it when you want to trade with folks. It is below this sentence.

irc.quakenet.org/#pkmtrade


Also, the following members posses TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY LEGAL (cough) ways of getting you TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY LEGAL (cough) hacked Pokeymans.
Kobold-Bard
ryzouken
Hunter Noventa
master256

The Last Thread: Wait, 649 Pokemon? WHO HAS POCKETS THAT BIG?! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181692)


Helpful Links/Hints For Adventuring Ten Year Olds

Bulbapedia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/)
Smogon (http://www.smogon.com/)
Metalkid's Damage Calculator (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculatorrs/Damage.aspx)
Metalkid's IV Calculator (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx)
Serebii (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml)



Breeding For Dummies:

So, you're tired of navigating a Pokemon thread where everyone uses fancy words and stuff? Well no worries! Here's a guide on... BREEDING FOR DUMMIES!

The main thing to remember in breeding is that there are natures that help and ones that hinder. For instance, a Special Attacker such as Mewtwo would be hindered by an Adamant nature, but helped in his stat growth by a Modest nature.

Brilliant Spreadsheet for Growth (http://pokemon.marriland.com/statcalc_dp.php).

If you're breeding for IVs, again, refer to the above spreadsheet. If the stat is at it's maximum capability, (Which is usually between 6-8), then it has a 31 IV stat, which is useful. Unfortunately, if said stat is accompanied with a hindering nature, you'll probably have to use Base Stat Up items to fix that problem.

The main thing with breeding is Egg Moves. Egg moves are moves the parent has, and passes down to a child. For instance, in my breeding of Chimchar, the egg moves are Grass Knot and Swords Dance, which are passed down to the child who gets said moves from the start.

Another Note On Breeding:

You can RNG Abuse when breeding, via tapping the Day Care Checker App right as the game starts to load another area, as in right between Solaceon and Route 209, tap, and an egg will appear.


Things the Pokemon developers didn't tell you about but really should have!; Or, How to be better than everyone!

I figured I'd just go ahead and type this out so confused people can just read it instead of having to ask in the thread. I'm helpful like that. Oh yes.

Don't feel the need to bother with this stuff unless you're playing against humans or at the Battle Frontier. You shouldn't need it for most of the game, and it can be kind of a pain.

Individual Values
Every Pokemon species has its own base stats, as you probably know. Aerodactyl are very fast but have weak defences, Blissey have huge amounts of HP, Luvdisc are terrible at everything but speed, and so on. But, in addition to the normal stat allocation, every Pokemon gets a bonus of 0-31 points applied to each stat. So a level 100 Tyranitar could have an attack stat of 273, or it could have a attack of 304. That bonus is the IV.
A Pokemon has its IVs generated the moment you meet it, or accept its egg, and there's no way to change them. You're stuck with what you've got. However, you can influence them a little, if you're willing to breed. Bred Pokemon don't randomly generate all their IVs, they inherit up to 3 from their parents. Still doesn't help that much, especially if the parents have bad IVs, but what can you do? Typically you just end up hatching like a billion eggs until you get a good one.

Effort Values
Every time you win a fight, your Pokemon get experience, but that's not all they get. Every Pokemon also gives out effort points. For every 4 effort points in a particular stat, your Pokemon gains 1 point in it. So if that Tyranitar from earlier with 304 attack had 4 attack EVs, his actual attack would be 305. If he had 252 attack EVs, it'd be 367. Sounds handy, but there are limits. You can't have more than 255 points in a single stat, and you can't have more than 510 EVs in total.
You'll see a lot of Pokemon with 252 attack/special attack EVs, 252 speed, and 4 HP, but there are a lot of ways to configure them. Defensive Pokemon will obviously focus on different things, Pokemon which use both physical and special attacks will need to split EVs between them or possibly sacrifice speed, and so on.
It's a tremendous pain to work out what EVs your Pokemon has, so you'll likely want to start with a Pokemon that you freshly hatched and work from there, though you don't have to. There are 6 berries that reduce EVs in a single stat each, so you can use those to reset your Pokemon and start from scratch. After that, just keep a careful record of what you fight, and only take down Pokemon that you know give you the EVs you want.
EV training takes a while, but there are a few ways you can speed it up. The first is an astonishingly rare status condition called Pokerus. Any Pokemon with Pokerus gets double EVs from fights, and will spread the Pokerus to any Pokemon in your party for the first 72 hours after it catches it. After those 72 hours it stops being contagious, but still gets double EVs. Pokerus has something like 1/20000 chance to appear on wild Pokemon, but with the magic of the internet I'm sure you can obtain it.
The second way to speed up EV training is through Power Items. If a Pokemon is holding the right item, they get bonus EVs from every fight. For example, a Pokemon holding a Power Lens will get 4 special attack EVs. A Pokemon holding a Power Anklet will get 4 speed EVs. A Pokemon holding a Macho Brace will just get double the EVs of whatever they're fighting. These bonuses are doubled if you have pokerus.
The third way to speed up EVs is through vitamins. Each vitamin given to a Pokemon gives them +10 EVs in a certain stat, up to a limit of 100. 1 protein gives 10 attack EVs, 10 give 100. These unfortunately aren't doubled by pokerus or items, so you'll have to pay for the full amount. Luckily money is easy to come by in these games.

Just as an example, I'll show how I EV'd my Gengar.
First, I gave him 10 calcium, and 10 carbos, so 100 special attack and 100 speed already.
After that, I gave him pokerus and a lucky egg, got him to meet a Floatzel (2 speed EVs, doubled to 4 because of Pokerus), and then sent out my Weezing to explode on it so Gengar could get all the experience, for a higher level and 100 special attack, 104 speed.
After that, I gave him a Power Lens, flew over to the Old Chateau, and killed 15 Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 from the lens, doubled to 10 from pokerus) for 150 special attack EVs, bringing my total to 250 special attack, 104 speed.
After that I equipped a power anklet and killed one more Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 speed from the anklet, doubled to 2 and 8 from Pokerus), meaning Gengar had 252 attack, and 112 speed.
Leaving the anklet equipped, I flew to Route 201, and killed 14 Starly (1 speed from Starly, 4 from the anklet, meaning 10 speed per starly thanks to Pokerus), for a total of 252 attack, 252 speed.
All that was left after that was to kill a Bidoof with a Power Weight (1 HP from Bidoof, 4 from the Weight, 10 thanks to Pokerus, although I only gained 6 points because I hit the EV cap), leaving my Gengar with 252 special attack EVs, 252 Speed, and 4 HP, just how I wanted him.
Roughly an hour's work, and one Pokemon down.

tl;dr: The simplified version of EVs/IVs - EVs are gained by fighting other pokemon. They vary by the pokemon defeated. They increase your stats for every 4 gained. IVs are inherent to a pokemon. They increase stats for every point possessed, and range from 0 to 31. EVs have to be manually tracked or else removed entirely with certain berries. IVs can be checked by knowing the EVs of a pokemon and then plugging its stats into an IV calculator. The higher the pokemon's level, the more accurate; level 100 wifi battles provide maximum accuracy.

Thanks go to whoever I stole this from, for the useful summary - It was probably Spark Mandriller, but I don't remember. Claim credit, yo!

Things to note in Gen V:
TMs are infinite use. Word.

If there are other cool things to know about Gen V, let me know and they can go here!

[AtlanteanTroll]

How about the expansion of Registering stuff? That's pretty cool.

[Talvereaux]

You know, it's funny- I was just told a few hours ago that one of my Pokemon had caught the Pokerus, but Black and White has no way of telling you who got infected, as far as I know. I haven't seen anything, so I can't figure out which Pokemon actually got infected. :smallconfused:

Go to the Pokemon you're checking's summary. Either page will do.

On the right-hand, top corner, below their name and gender, and to the right of their level, you'll notice a grey tab. If the Pokemon is infected by Pokerus and able to spread it, there will be a purple rectangular balloon in the tab reading "PKRS".

If the Pokemon was infected in the past but can no longer spread it, you'll see a reddish purple face on the right-hand bottom corner, above the tab where their held item is indicated.

[Partof1]

Grrrraaarrrrrrrrr! I want one bloody Sawk, and I've encountered tons of Throhs. I have Throh. we're buds. I want a new bud. Grr.

[Talvereaux]

Grrrraaarrrrrrrrr! I want one bloody Sawk, and I've encountered tons of Throhs. I have Throh. we're buds. I want a new bud. Grr.

Ernie and Bert are version exclusives. Throh's in yours, but you'll need to trade with a black cartridge for Sawk.

[Partof1]

But my dex shows areas to catch Sawk, and they aren't listed as exclusives on Bulbapedia.

[Deth Muncher]

Ernie and Bert are version exclusives. Throh's in yours, but you'll need to trade with a black cartridge for Sawk.

Incorrect. I have caught both on my Black cart.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Ernie and Bert are version exclusives.
How do you know about that? Also, no. With Shaking Grass, you can get the other one.

[Partof1]

Shaking grass? that's the key? Okay, good to know.

[Talvereaux]

Oh, my bad. I guess I assumed because I was getting Sawks everywhere and traded with a friend for Throh.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Shaking grass? that's the key? Okay, good to know.

Statistically, you'll see 9 Audino's 1st.

[Partof1]

Statistically, you'll see 9 Audino's 1st.

I knew that much. But that's the place to find them, aye? Eventually.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I knew that much. But that's the place to find them, aye? Eventually.

Aye, not sure what Route.

EDIT: Victini's level 99 and still isn't taking that Ghost lady...

[Talvereaux]

Same routes you find Ernie on.

Only this time, I checked with a source before posting.

[AtlanteanTroll]

70 hours, and I have my first level 100 Pokemon of Unova. It's a personal record.

[Partof1]

Okay, now that tht's solved, where in Victory Road is Cheren? He was so happy to ambush me everywhere before, now I can't find him at all.

[Deth Muncher]

Actually, you don't ALWAYS need shakey-grass. I caught my Throh in non-shakey grass very early on but couldn't get Sawk until just now, when I was trolling around the Pre-Victory Road Road for XP to beat the Dragon Gym.

[Talvereaux]

Enter Victory Road from the Pokemon League (as in, enter from the top). Do not go down the slidable ramps, just enter the cavern.

Cheren should be in the middle of the first 'room' from there, the cave with two staircases leading downwards to the left and right.

[Partof1]

Enter Victory Road from the Pokemon League. Do not go down the slidable ramps, just enter the cavern.

Cheren should be in the middle of the first 'room' from there, the cave with two staircases leading downwards to the left and right.

He is not there. I beat the E4 the 2nd time, and talked to Bianca in Nuvema, who said she'd battle me. I don't think I've missed anything.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Woo-Hoo!! At level 100, Victini soloed it... Alder's weak to Fire.

[Talvereaux]

Check route 5? You might need to 'activate' him by talking to him there first.

[Partof1]

Oh, thank you.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I can guarantee you need to.

[Partof1]

Huzzah! I found one and got him! Joyous day!

Edit: Timid Nature. Lame.

[Turalisj]

Ernie and Bert are version exclusives. Throh's in yours, but you'll need to trade with a black cartridge for Sawk.

No, they are not. Sawk has a 5% appearance rate in white.

[CoffeeIncluded]

Well, that thread sure lasted long. :smalltongue:

So I can only battle Bianca in Juniper's lab after beating Alder? *Sigh*

[oxybe]

i've almost got my team of 100's.

about 20 levels between Reuniclus & Excadrill to go & they'll join Bisharp & Chandelure on my Gen V level 100 team, then it's off to start breeding a Ferroseed and... hm... Archeops? he looks like a cool dude.

[AtlanteanTroll]

:/

I can't take Victini into the GBU.

You can't take the following into the GBU:

No more then one of a Pokemon, No more then one of an Item, No Eggs, No Celebi, No Victini, No Zekrom and No Kyurem. (So Reshiram is OK for some odd reason...) Nor are Pokemon holding the Soul Dew.

And I think no Pokemon knowing Acrobatics.

Coffee: At night. It should be just after beating Ghetsis.

[FantasyFoxMan]

Well, I would assume Victini counts as a "special Pokemon", right?

Also, holy Shedinjas, I can't believe we made it past 50 pages on the previous thread that quickly. :smalltongue:

[AtlanteanTroll]

Well, I would assume Victini counts as a "special Pokemon", right?

... But Reshiram isn't?

And yeah, new game. :smalltongue:

[The-Mage-King]

NEW THREAD!
That's all I must say.

[Deth Muncher]

NEW THREAD!
That's all I must say.

I would say to boogie this in, but that's more of a Random Banter type deal.

[The-Mage-King]

Yeah, well, I was getting my Checkmark by the title. Because it's a pain to find otherwise.

[Turalisj]

Finally caught a Metang. I had an easier time with my four legendaries.

[boj0]

Wow, I completely missed the last thread.
That was insane how fast it went.

[Deth Muncher]

Wow, I completely missed the last thread.
That was insane how fast it went.

Facts. They are true. It was mostly due to "ZOMGLOLZ NEW GAMEZ ARE OUT GOTTA PLAY AAAAAAAAAAAH."

[tgva8889]

Only you can prevent Pokemon Center fires. (http://www.awkwardzombie.com/)

[FantasyFoxMan]

Oh, god, that's beautiful.

[Hunter Noventa]

I realized that I am terribly unlucky. Why? Aside from never seeing a natural shiny other than the infamous Gyrados, I had Cobalion escape a critical capture. This means it's just changing it to work like a Master Ball, meaning it has roughly 255/256 chance of working perfectly, and Cobalion BROKE OUT.

[Goldfly]

Finally caught a Metang. I had an easier time with my four legendaries.

That might be due to it having a similar catch rate. Be happy you weren't trying to catch, say, a shiny Beldum.

[Mc. Lovin']

Master Ball can fail?

[The-Mage-King]

Master Ball can fail?

Yep. .04% chance, but it can.

Nothing can ruin your day like having the roaming legendary escape on the last wriggle, laugh at you, and Amscray.

Nothing.

[Aotrs Commander]

Their, their, I spent even more then that on Victini. Sometime you just got to settle. Import a Ditto with a good nature and make your Acheops... You aren't to that point of the game are you?

Sadly, no. I'll probably try again later today.



Incidently, I'm glad I'm not the only one forcibly reminded of muppets by Sawk and Throh (hell, even their names...)



(Posting my codes from the last thread. 'cos I didn't keep a record of it myself...

Diamond (Dark) 1978 9698 7234

HeartGold (Aotrs) 1549 4381 0381

Black (Galwen) 3310 3719 7111)



Oh, Deth Muncher, the in the OP, previous thread link links to the wrong (i.e. 7th) thread.)

[ryzouken]

Yep. .04% chance, but it can.

Nothing can ruin your day like having the roaming legendary escape on the last wriggle, laugh at you, and Amscray.

Nothing.

That day will cause me to punch a baby.

It will.

I will do it.

Do not test me.


100% is 100% darnit! Not 99.96%... 100!

[AtlanteanTroll]

Hahahahahahahahaha... FINALLY Found the Name Rater. He's in the same building as Mr. Locke and the Relocator Guy.

[Turalisj]

Their, their, I spent even more then that on Victini. Sometime you just got to settle. Import a Ditto with a good nature and make your Acheops... You aren't to that point of the game are you?

Remember that, post-E4, you can go to Twist Mountain and get each of the fossils. I plan on raising a team of fossil-mons by ditto-breeding them. :smallbiggrin:

[AtlanteanTroll]

Remember that, post-E4, you can go to Twist Mountain and get each of the fossils. I plan on raising a team of fossil-mons by ditto-breeding them. :smallbiggrin:

I thought it was every fossil but the one you didn't take. :smallconfused:

[Turalisj]

Ah, right, I don't think I can get the cover fossil...

Hmmm... Not that it matters much to me, I didn't like the look of the turtle. And the thing with the giant shell for a head from Gen4 is just... Well... yea.

[Fawkes]

Hahahahahahahahaha... FINALLY Found the Name Rater. He's in the same building as Mr. Locke and the Relocator Guy.

Do those two do anything interesting?

[Qwertystop]

Do those two do anything interesting?

The Relocator guy sets up a DS Download Play link. Connect a DS with a Gen IV game that has the event Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Celebi, or the Lock Capsule, and they will be auto-transferred to your PC.

If you transfer them the normal way, I don't think the Zoroark or Zorua things are activated. Lock Capsule is an item, so you can't transfer it normally.

Mr. Lock unlocks the Lock Capsule, which has a TM in it.

[Turalisj]

So apparently, the longer you take to get to Black City, the bigger it is....

I don't like that method :smallannoyed:

There's currently 9 trainers in BC for me, ranging from level 34-61 'mons.

[Qwertystop]

So apparently, the longer you take to get to Black City, the bigger it is....

I don't like that method :smallannoyed:

There's currently 9 trainers in BC for me, ranging from level 34-61 'mons.

What do you mean? I"m not too up-to-date on the details of the version-exclusive areas.

[FantasyFoxMan]

Really? The only Pokemon I've got in White Forest are at level 5. How did you get Pokemon in that range? :smallconfused:

Also, I love being able to play Pokemon in class with the professor not noticing.

[Turalisj]

What do you mean? I"m not too up-to-date on the details of the version-exclusive areas.

From what I've read on Serebii, Black City increases in size from the moment you start playing and stops growing when you reach there. It could have between 5-41 trainers in it.

Can someone with black confirm this? I have 9 trainers in my version of BC, if there's a difference in numbers then we have confirmation....

edit: Not White Forest, Black City. BC has trainers in it to fight against and there's a guy in the big building that gives you money for every 10 trainers you beat.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Really? The only Pokemon I've got in White Forest are at level 5. How did you get Pokemon in that range? :smallconfused:


They'll only be that level. He has Black. You have White. That's the difference.

[FantasyFoxMan]

Oh. I see. My bad. :smalltongue:

Also, thanks a bunch to everyone who kept clicking Awesome Face. She's reached level 100. :smallbiggrin:

[OracleofWuffing]

So, yeah, remember how I was all up overs on transferring my pokemon from diamond?

Uh...

Long story short, it'll need to wait a few days while My Pokemon Ranch expands.

Stupid Haley. Her name's Haley, right? The stupid MPR girl?

:smallyuk: Yeah, I want to transfer pokemon, but I also want pokemon on my Diamond cartridge in case I get around to playing Pokemon Battle Revolution or some other connecty game.

IN OTHER NEWS, it appears I have a setup where I can grab good movie files of recorded Black and White battles, so if you want a video of a recordable pokemon battle, upload it to the upload place thing, give me the number of the battle, and let me know you want it.

[AtlanteanTroll]

IN OTHER NEWS, it appears I have a setup where I can grab good movie files of recorded Black and White battles, so if you want a video of a recordable pokemon battle, upload it to the upload place thing, give me the number of the battle, and let me know you want it.

Isn't that what the Vidoe Recorder thing is for? And can't you share them like you could in Plat. and HGSS?

[Mando Knight]

This means it's just changing it to work like a Master Ball, meaning it has roughly 255/256 chance of working perfectly, and Cobalion BROKE OUT.
Nope. Crit-capture is a currently unknown modifier. The Master Ball has an x255 capture rate, which thanks to the math for catch rates (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate), is guaranteed to capture a Pokémon, except when impossible. Park and Dream balls work the same as the Master Ball in this regard.

[Legoshrimp]

So right now my party is.
Victini
Servine
Gurdurr
Krokorok
2 pokemon I don't really care about and plan on replacing. aka (roggernole and panpour.)
I have white. Any suggestions for what to replace them with, I will need a flying as one of them.

Also where is HM fly?

[AtlanteanTroll]

So right now my party is.
Victini
Servine
Gurdurr
Krokorok
2 pokemon I don't really care about and plan on replacing. aka (roggernole and panpour.)
I have white. Any suggestions for what to replace them with, I will need a flying as one of them.

Also where is HM fly?

Jelicent and ... No good flyng types this Gen. Not till Rufflet. /bias. You don't get fly till around the 5th Gym.

[Legoshrimp]

Where is rufflet?

[OracleofWuffing]

Isn't that what the Vidoe Recorder thing is for? And can't you share them like you could in Plat. and HGSS?
I'm talking about taking the videos recorded by the video recorder and making them .avi files. For example, so you can upload your recorded videos to YouTube or whatever.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I'm talking about taking the videos recorded by the video recorder and making them .avi files. For example, so you can upload your recorded videos to YouTube or whatever.

Oh. That's actually pretty sweet.


Where is rufflet?

Route between the 8th Gym and E4.

[Legoshrimp]

So I will just use a pidove as an HM slave for a bit. Also did they buff strength?

[Cyborg Mage]

You two took the Cover fossil, didn't you?

PITY!

Really, Archeops is awesome. Only real problems are that rock subtype and Defeatist (Which I really haven't ever noticed the effects of). And yes, it can fly. Once it evolves from Archen, of course, but who cares?

[AtlanteanTroll]

You two took the Cover fossil, didn't you?

PITY!

Really, Archeops is awesome. Only real problems are that rock subtype and Defeatist (Which I really haven't ever noticed the effects of). And yes, it can fly. Once it evolves from Archen, of course, but who cares?

No, I took Archeops and I regret it. You don't need a flying type this Gen except for a slave.

[Cyborg Mage]

Speak for yourself. I think it's good, anyway. And ~147 Atk don't lie.

[Mando Knight]

Really, Archeops is awesome. Only real problems are that rock subtype and Defeatist (Which I really haven't ever noticed the effects of). And yes, it can fly. Once it evolves from Archen, of course, but who cares?

Rock typing is actually decent. It's not Steel, but for an offensive Pokémon, gaining Stone Edge STAB and a couple good resistances (Fire and Normal) at the cost of two weaknesses (one of which, Steel, is still relatively rare offensively due to its lack of coverage) and losing two resistances (one of which, again, is relatively rare) is acceptable. Especially since that Ground weakness never comes into play without Gravity or similar effects.

The real problem is Defeatist, which means that it can't keep fighting if it's already at half health. Terrible ability for a sweeper, let alone one with Rock and Ice weakness and middling defensive abilities.

[ShinyRocks]

Grinding this Deino so I can get a Zweilous for the 'dex, even with a Lucky Egg, is causing me actual pain. It's even worse than the Vullaby grinding.

[Mando Knight]

Grinding this Deino so I can get a Zweilous for the 'dex, even with a Lucky Egg, is causing me actual pain. It's even worse than the Vullaby grinding.

Hydreigon is worth the effort of raising a Deino, though.

[Kyrian]

Nope. No Eggs, no Pokemon that know HMs, and no Items. And you can oly transfer after you beat the E4 in Black or White.

Yea, I knew that I have to beat E4 first. But that sucks I can't transfer eggs. Means I'll have to trade the eggs to Silver/Gold/Diamond/Platinum, have my character hatch them then transfer them to Black/White.

What? I don't want this girl's character be the OT. I'd rather have an OT with the same name I'm using in Black/White.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Guess whose bred 45 Darumaka today? And I'm only onto the 2nd Gen... So Im going to breed 30 more. Hehe. HEHHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!! :smallcool: (Though, the next 3 wont be all today. Probably)

[Turalisj]

Guess whose bred 45 Daruaka today? And I'm only onto the 2nd Gen... So Im going to breed 30 more. Hehe. HEHHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!! :smallcool: (Though, the next 3 wont be all today. Probably)

Trying to get the legendary daruaka?

[Qwertystop]

No, I took Archeops and I regret it. You don't need a flying type this Gen except for a slave.

I think Swoobat's pretty good.

[AtlanteanTroll]

^

Swoobat is good because of his Psychic typing. Which, when copupled with Flying make him a kbeast at killing Fighting types, which have grown increasingly prevalent.

Reuniclus is better though. IMO. I did have a Swoobat for a long time though. (Up until around the 6th Gym)


Trying to get the legendary darumaka?

I uhm. Yes. :smallcool:

EDIT:

So I just bred one with the following IVs: 26 / 30 / 12 / 30 / 28 / 20

Why was that one of them that didn't have Inner Focus? *Weeps*

[Talvereaux]

What nature? If it's adamant in particular, and I can offer something you want, I just might take that off your hands.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

From what I've read on Serebii, Black City increases in size from the moment you start playing and stops growing when you reach there. It could have between 5-41 trainers in it.

Can someone with black confirm this? I have 9 trainers in my version of BC, if there's a difference in numbers then we have confirmation....

I have four trainers in Black City.

[The Dark Fiddler]

So I will just use a pidove as an HM slave for a bit. Also did they buff strength?

Use Pidove. Seriously, Unfezant has been such a bro in my game. Totally the best early-game bird of them all.

[ryzouken]

I just ran Golurk eventually. Learns Fly, doesn't totally suck...

[ShinyRocks]

Woot! Caught Thundurus, finally. Quick Balls ftw.

Just need to see Tornadus and I've completed the Dex, and I've still got my Master Ball to catch Landorus if I ever get round to doing that annoying chain of trades that would be necessary.

[Partof1]

I started thinking about recoil, and now I wonder: is it possible for a pokemon to completely faint itself from the recoil damage off one attack? In what situation could this occur?

[EifieFlare]

I started thinking about recoil, and now I wonder: is it possible for a pokemon to completely faint itself from the recoil damage off one attack? In what situation could this occur?

Red's Pikachu holding a Light Ball using Volt Tackle on a Metagross. In other words, what happened when I battled Red in Soul Silver. :smallbiggrin:

[Zocelot]

I started thinking about recoil, and now I wonder: is it possible for a pokemon to completely faint itself from the recoil damage off one attack? In what situation could this occur?

You take recoil as a percentage of the damage dealt. The recoil ranges from move to move, but can be up to 1/2 damage dealt. So, if you get a high HP, low defenses target and you deal twice your health in damage, the recoil will cause you to faint.

[Mando Knight]

I started thinking about recoil, and now I wonder: is it possible for a pokemon to completely faint itself from the recoil damage off one attack? In what situation could this occur?

It can happen, but it's rare. Generally, it's due to a Pokémon OHKOing a Blissey with one of the stronger recoil moves (Head Smash deals 50% recoil...).

[OracleofWuffing]

I started thinking about recoil, and now I wonder: is it possible for a pokemon to completely faint itself from the recoil damage off one attack? In what situation could this occur?

Shedinja, using Struggle.

Edit: Target does not matter.

[Aotrs Commander]

Use Pidove. Seriously, Unfezant has been such a bro in my game. Totally the best early-game bird of them all.

Starly was better, I think, though Taillow had the edge if one only compares starting forms (it was let down by being a two-stager though). To be fair, Pidove's stats are pretty good, comparitively; it's certainly nowhere near as dreadful as the Wingull or Hoot Hoot lines. But it's move set is absolutely awful; not a single physical flying STAB to make use of it's decent attack stat and only two normals. If it's att and spA were reversed it'd be quite good. But as it stands, you kinda need Fly and some of the TMs for it even to get anywhere. Starly had the advantage of higher speed and a better moveset (i.e. STAB on physical stats) for thumpin'.

(That said, early on in Gen III, before I got savvy, I did have Pelipper (never again!) and a Modest natured Pidgeot in my first Pokemon game (LeafGreen), which lasted until I realised my data was a misprint and that lowers attack...! (Replaced with an Adamant as soon as I could!) So Pidove's certainly usable. But it's kinda anemic compared to, say Archen or even Sigilyph until you can get some TMs and Fly itself.)

[Mando Knight]

Use Pidove. Seriously, Unfezant has been such a bro in my game. Totally the best early-game bird of them all.
Staraptor says wut.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/5/5e/398Staraptor.png/200px-398Staraptor.png

Close Combat, Brave Bird, 120 base Attack... it's a better Dodrio. Unfezant is a little better for special defense, but otherwise it comes up lacking.

[Lemonus]

I am sad. I am sad because I don't have the $$$ to get White until my birthday in May.:smallfrown:

[tgva8889]

Close Combat, Brave Bird, 120 base Attack... it's a better Dodrio. Unfezant is a little better for special defense, but otherwise it comes up lacking.

I'm not saying Staraptor isn't the best Flying/Normal Pokemon in the Pokemon series, but Unfezant is quite useful in-game. If I were to choose a Flying-type to win the game, I wouldn't choose Unfezant, but it's not at all terrible. High offensive, ability to have both Roost and Work Up, and the early availability of Scope Lens give you some decent power there. Once you learn Fly, Unfezant becomes quite a slayer.

[Deth Muncher]

Trying to get the legendary darumaka?

Waaaait. What? What's all this?

[The-Mage-King]

Waaaait. What? What's all this?

You know, the Golden one?

That can learn Surf, Fly, and Rock Climb? [/BS]

[Deth Muncher]

You know, the Golden one?

That can learn Surf, Fly, and Rock Climb? [/BS]

You can't be white-texting me like that, man.

[The-Mage-King]

You can't be white-texting me like that, man.

You're may be right. Though I rather think I can.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I've just bred 45 Darumaka today. That's all.

EDIT: It's true that Pokemon beig bred for IVs get better each generation, right?

Because I'm taking the 2nd Gen and their kids will be better right?

-----

Gen 1

Female:
#13 – Brave – Likes to Thrash About: 26.5 / 31 / 20.5 / 30.5 / 12.5 / 20.5

Male:
#22 – Bashful – Highly Curious: 12.5 / 18.5 / .5 / 30 / 20.5 / 8.5

-----

Gen 2

Female:
#14 – Bashful – Highly Curious: 26 / 18 / 18 / 30 / 22 / 20

Male:
#18 – Careful – Likes to Thrash About: 12 / 31 / 10 / 24 / 31 / 20

-----

What Power Item should I use? Cause the female needs to hold an Everstone.

[FantasyFoxMan]

This reminds me that I need to raise a Staraptor again. :smalltongue:

On an unrelated note, after a good bit of battling, my Red Guevarados and Buttface the Dragonite I transferred from my HG cartridge have hit level 70. I must admit, I'm rather proud of myself. :smallbiggrin:

Granted, my Honchkrow PimPin is at least 10 levels higher than both of them, but that's only because I love her more. :V

[Raistlin1040]

What's actually worth raising in White from the beginning? I have a Sevine and a Water Monkey thing at the high teens and I'm about to do the 2nd Gym. My party consists of the highest level junk I've caught, but I'm wondering if there is a reason to catch and train anything else instead of just grinding my two and getting better Pokemon later.

[FantasyFoxMan]

Personally, I think raising a Timburr or a Roggenrola is a nice solid choice early on, especially if you're taking on the second Gym. Timburr's a solid Fighting type with either ability being relatively great (although I'd probably prefer Guts myself :smalltongue:), and Gigalith is a great solid wall with a good amount of power to boot.

I've had several other people tell me that they really love using Scolipedes, too, so Venipede is an option to consider when you have access to Pinwheel Forest.

But anyway, good luck against Lenora, Raistlin. You'll need it. Wipe the floor with her. :smallamused:

[oxybe]

when you breed 2 mons the baby will inherit:

2 stats from one parent & 1 stat from the other. you can force a stat by having a parent hold a Power X item. the baby will then forcefully receive the chosen stat and one random stat from each parent.

if both parents hold a Power X item, it will randomly chose one parent to inherit the Power Item's stat and drop the other one from the list of "stats to inherit". IE: you can't force both Attack & Speed IVs of both parents by having the respective parent each hold the respective item: attack OR speed will be passed down an the other simply won't.

if a parent holds an everstone, the baby has a 50% chance of getting the nature.

if the breed has 2 abilities, it will be chosen randomly regardless of the parents. there is no way i know of to affect passing it down.

here's effectively what i did to get a max IV on both spd & attack on my Excadrill:

Male/female
"Likes to Trash" 31 attack IV - Attack Bracer

Female/male
"Alert to sounds" 31 spd IV - Everstone to get it's Adamant nature

breed until i get a baby with "Alert to sounds". this way i know for certain it has both stats @ 31: the bracer passed down the male's Attack IV & when 2 IVs are tied for highest it will randomly choose a characteristic to state.

this way i know that the Spd IV is tied with the STR IV for highest, since any other stat would show "Likes to Trash".

as for forcing down more stats, the better the stats on both parents, the better the chance the kid will inherit an awesome stat or two. it's in no way an indication that the baby will be better then either of the parents. it could just as easily inherit a combination of their 3 crappiest stats between the two and generate 3 other crappy ones. or at least inherit 2 crappy stats and a good one.

on my drillbur i really only cared about Spd & Atk IVs. the Sp.Def is a byproduct bonus & i didn't feel like breeding more drillburs then i already did to get the right mix of Adamant, IVs i care about being "almost" perfect (it didn't pass down the Spd IV, but got one that's darn close) & Ability.

if i wanted to rebreed this one i could. it wouldn't be too hard, but it's WAY too much gruntwork for someone who's not that much into the competitive scene.

each baby has a : 50% chance of inheriting the Adamant nature, 1/5 chance of inheriting the speed IV, a 50% chance of getting that IV from the correct parent and a 50% chance of getting the correct ability.

so : 1/2 (positive nature) x 1/5 (correct stat...) x 1/2 (...from the correct parent) x 1/2 (with correct ability)... each baby has a 5% chance of being "the one" unless i'm doing my math wrong.

and (to doublecheck) that requires me to go on the battle subway. for. every. baby.

i did it as an though exercise rather then a procedure i wand to do on all my 'mons. i'm far more of a casual battler then a competitive one. EVs & Natures are all i really care about (unless key IVs are horribad). i might try on another 'mon sometimes in my future, but not right now.

for the more experienced IV breeders, feel free to correct me where i'm wrong. this is just what i noticed from a few days of testing and loose information found on the net.

[Deth Muncher]

Hey. What shinies have people gotten in Black and White, total? I know we had a few last thread, but I'm trying to see if there's something I couldn't, perhaps, offer a trade for?

[FantasyFoxMan]

All I've gotten so far is a shiny Durant with a not-so-good nature. A friend of mine mentioned that he found a shiny Duosion, now a Reuniclus.

[ShinyRocks]

I've never ever got a single shiny. Across Ruby, Pearl, HeartGold and now White (I feel like I've played more Pokemon games than that...), I have never caught, never even *seen* a shiny, apart from the stupid Lake of Rage Gyarados that doesn't count.

[Lix Lorn]

I've never ever got a single shiny. Across Ruby, Pearl, HeartGold and now White (I feel like I've played more Pokemon games than that...), I have never caught, never even *seen* a shiny, apart from the stupid Lake of Rage Gyarados that doesn't count.
I can beat that.
Gold, Crystal, Fire Red, Diamond, Platinum, Soulsilver, White. No shinies but the Red Gyra.

[Deth Muncher]

I think I've SEEN one shiny, which was most likely something absolutely derptastic like a Golbat or something.

Anyone know of any methods in B/W to increase shiny-finding rate?

[Aotrs Commander]

I can beat that.
Gold, Crystal, Fire Red, Diamond, Platinum, Soulsilver, White. No shinies but the Red Gyra.

Fff. I've played all seven games of Gen III, plus Diamond plus HeartGold and Black (plus, I may have played through Gen II (and 1) several times back in the day, unofficially, like, if you catch my drift) and the Red Gyarados is still the only one I've ever seen. (Though I think I may have fiddled with the Gen II stuff for a lark for a shiny Pikachu once, though that doesn't count. I did catch Pokerus once back in the gen II games, though, and given at the time it was a 1:25000 chance, I suspect that's the only time I'll get it. Shame it was never really usable...)

Edit: You can only buy one Castialcone per WEEK!?!? What?! That is so utterly TEDIOUS and pointless! If it's that useless, I may as well sell it to that lady I heard buys 'em for 2000 and just buy a couple of full heals instead... Why is it about half the time Nintendo seem to insist on making things tedious for the sake of being tedious? (Lack of ability to buy game coins in HG, lookin' at you...)

[Goldfly]

Edit: You can only buy one Castialcone per WEEK!?!? What?! That is so utterly TEDIOUS and pointless! If it's that useless, I may as well sell it to that lady I heard buys 'em for 2000 and just buy a couple of full heals instead... Why is it about half the time Nintendo seem to insist on making things tedious for the sake of being tedious? (Lack of ability to buy game coins in HG, lookin' at you...)

Come on, it's not exactly tedious, is it? It takes, what, a minute to do? For 1800 Poke dollars? If you're going to complain, just don't do it.

[Turalisj]

I can beat that.
Gold, Crystal, Fire Red, Diamond, Platinum, Soulsilver, White. No shinies but the Red Gyra.

Yellow, Crystal, Ruby, Emerald, Fire Red, and now Black. The Red Gyra doesn't count.

[Aotrs Commander]

Come on, it's not exactly tedious, is it? It takes, what, a minute to do? For 1800 Poke dollars? If you're going to complain, just don't do it.

What's tedious is not the act of getting it (though that itself seems needlessly drawn out) the fact you can only get one per WEEK. For an item that would otherwise be useful. Hell, the Lava cookies in Gen III were actually damn good. I could even have forgiven it being a daily event. But a weekly one? For a dispoable item who's commonly-available equivilent, while more expensive, is still half the price of an Ultraball? Which you buy in spades? Yeesh. Frankly, I'm pretty sure I could make money faster by spending the same amount of time flying to pinwheel forest and smashing the rock once a day. It just seems like an awful lot of hassle to do for no real reward. If it was something not commonly available (like evolution stones or something or evena Full Restore, Ether or Max Revive or something), it'd be okay. But for an item whose effects I can already get in every Pokemart; it's not worth splitting hairs about basically getting three extra Full heals once a week (or one at 1/6 price).

[Goldfly]

What's tedious is not the act of getting it (though that itself seems needlessly drawn out) the fact you can only get one per WEEK. For an item that would otherwise be useful. Hell, the Lava cookies in Gen III were actually damn good. I could even have forgiven it being a daily event. But a weekly one? For a dispoable item who's commonly-available equivilent, while more expensive, is still half the price of an Ultraball? Which you buy in spades? Yeesh. Frankly, I'm pretty sure I could make money faster by spending the same amount of time flying to pinwheel forest and smashing the rock once a day. It just seems like an awful lot of hassle to do for no real reward. If it was something not commonly available (like evolution stones or something or evena Full Restore, Ether or Max Revive or something), it'd be okay. But for an item whose effects I can already get in every Pokemart; it's not worth splitting hairs about basically getting three extra Full heals once a week (or one at 1/6 price).

Okay, okay. I see where you're coming from. I disagree, but let's just leave it at that.


Completely unrelated: Have you guys seen this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QNI3W8UB-s)?

[AtlanteanTroll]

People, you couldn't get shinies in Gen I. It doesn't count. I;ve had one shiny myself, and it was a Psyduck. (Well, 2 more using the PokeRadar (A Pikachu and a Kriketune).)


so : 1/2 (positive nature) x 1/5 (correct stat...) x 1/2 (...from the correct parent) x 1/2 (with correct ability)... each baby has a 5% chance of being "the one" unless i'm doing my math wrong.

Mmmmm. This is what I was asking about. So... Since the parents are better then they were the 2 times before, I have a better chance to inherit good IVs. I think this'll be the last Generation I breed. (I'll end up with 3 bxes of Darumaka, I think one of them should be useful.) Then again, I have a friend who bred 200 some Larvitar once... He loves Dark-types.


and (to doublecheck) that requires me to go on the battle subway. for. every. baby.

I know. I checked 60 Darumaka yesterday. :smallsigh:

EDIT:

About Star Pieces. Save some. Their's a guy in Anville Town who will trade a PP UP for 2 Star Pieces. Word. :smallcool:

[oxybe]

actually it's a 1-for-1 basis. imagine my surprise this past weekend when i finally visit...

[Turalisj]

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Earthquake_delays_international_Global_Link_launch

Le sigh... Gotta wait longer for the GL :/

[The-Mage-King]

What's actually worth raising in White from the beginning? I have a Sevine and a Water Monkey thing at the high teens and I'm about to do the 2nd Gym. My party consists of the highest level junk I've caught, but I'm wondering if there is a reason to catch and train anything else instead of just grinding my two and getting better Pokemon later.

Catch a Drilbur (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Drilbur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)). Name it Simon. Take the monster through the game as your ground type. It is a beast if you can start a sandstorm, and singlehandedly wiped the Iccirus gym for me, after it evolved. At level 30.

[oxybe]

yeah, any mon that can hit over 400 attack & 500 speed simply by being in a sandstorm is pretty ridiculous. having him learn Swords Dance is doubly ridiculous.

@AT: to get an idea of how many drilburs i went through to get "the one"... one that has a low HP & horrific Def stat, which i could have continued if not for my lack of patience: i now have a box full of them. i then emptied said box and filled it up again.

and that's ignoring the ones i simply released without dropping them in a box.

which leaves me with the uneasy knowledge that somewhere near Nimbasa, most likely in the Route 4 Sandstorm, there happens to be a veritable horde of inbread (and possibly redneck) Drilburs... and they may or may not be out for blood

[AtlanteanTroll]

@AT: to get an idea of how many drilburs i went through to get "the one"... one that has a low HP & horrific Def stat, which i could have continued if not for my lack of patience: i now have a box full of them. i then emptied said box and filled it up again.

and that's ignoring the ones i simply released without dropping them in a box.

which leaves me with the uneasy knowledge that somewhere near Nimbasa, most likely in the Route 4 Sandstorm, there happens to be a veritable horde of inbread (and possibly redneck) Drilburs... and they may or may not be out for blood

Well, I've dumped as many Darumaka, and I've decided that this third Generation will be my last, but also my largest, as I shall breed 100. Theirs goin gto be gang-wars between are inbred clans of released Pokemon on Route 4. Yah hear me?

[ShinyRocks]

Yesterday I spent twenty Super Repels running around Victory Road trying to get swirling dust and hoping evolutionary stones (notably Water and Moon) would appear. I got (another) Everstone, and I've got a Dusk Stone from dust before, but the absence of evo stones in general makes me a sad Spinda.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Me have thought. When one rides down route 3, waiting for an Egg to be generated/for any currently held Eggs to hatch, and you bike infront of where the Daycare Man is (he's off screen) he yells, "Heeey [Name]! Come here!] (or something) because an Egg has been discovered. If you save before talking to the man could you soft-reset? I'm thinking yes, as you haven't picked up the Egg yet, so it hasn't actually been generated.

[Deth Muncher]

which leaves me with the uneasy knowledge that somewhere near Nimbasa, most likely in the Route 4 Sandstorm, there happens to be a veritable horde of inbread (and possibly redneck) Drilburs... and they may or may not be out for blood

I just have this image of Drillburs in trucker hats and greasy wife-beaters drinking Bud Light and heckling passersby.

[Aotrs Commander]

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Earthquake_delays_international_Global_Link_launch

Le sigh... Gotta wait longer for the GL :/

Well. Asteriskasteriskasteriskasterisk.

Though perhaps not a surprise.

[AtlanteanTroll]

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Earthquake_delays_international_Global_Link_launch

Le sigh... Gotta wait longer for the GL :/

Any other reason, and I would be quite angry... You'd think Nintendo of America (or Europe or something) could take care of it, aren't localizations the only thing to left to do?

[Legoshrimp]

So I have decided to go with pidove being part of my team. Well tranquill really since I can catch a bunch where I am.

So my question is what stats do I want? What natures are good? And whats a good moveset that of course includes fly?


Also are there any water types that can learn false swipe?

[Turalisj]

Sigh, now that I beat all the npc trainers for the day and have pretty much every 'mon that I can catch without multiplayer, I bored...

[AtlanteanTroll]

Sigh, now that I beat all the npc trainers for the day and have pretty much every 'mon that I can catch without multiplayer, I bored...

And now it's time to start up the Metagame. :smallwink:

[Mando Knight]

So I have decided to go with pidove being part of my team. Well tranquill really since I can catch a bunch where I am.

So my question is what stats do I want? What natures are good? And whats a good moveset that of course includes fly?
Adamant and Jolly are always good for the first-route-bird Pokémon. Except for Noctowl, which doesn't count because it's weird. All-neutral natures are also usable. Actually, anything other than a -Speed or -Attack nature is at least acceptable for Unfezant, since those are its most important stats.

You want to stick with physical moves when possible, although Unfezant lacks them in any decent number or coverage. Return and Fly are its best attack moves, Roost is one of the best healing moves in the game, U-Turn is better than normal switching, and Quick Attack is the basic priority move. Taunt is mostly worthless in-game, though there are a few pesky trainers that carry the likes of Thunder Wave or Dragon Dance, and Detect is mostly useful when you successfully predict a low-PP move (like Fusion Flare/Bolt).

Work Up and Swagger may be useful, as might be Tailwind (the latter comes really late, though, and the former are TMs), but Unfezant doesn't really have enough to work with Work Up (all it needs is a fighting move. Like Close Combat. Stupid Sexy Staraptor, you had to ruin it for everyone else, didn't you?) and Swagger is a little risky. (Confuses and raises the enemy's Attack. This boosts the damage it deals to itself in confusion, but if it manages to attack despite the confusion...)

Also are there any water types that can learn false swipe?
Krabby, Corphish, Samurott, and Keldeo, all by TM 54.

[Fawkes]

Speaking of False Swipe, are there any pokemon that can learn both False Swipe and Thunder Wave?

[Zocelot]

Speaking of False Swipe, are there any pokemon that can learn both False Swipe and Thunder Wave?

I got my Bisharp to learn both. I don't know if there are any more.

Edit: Cobalion and Mew and possibly others.

[Talvereaux]

I'd argue Parasect or Breloom to be the best False Swipers by terms of flat catch-rate increase.

Paralysis increases the catch rate by x 1.5, while sleep and freeze increase it by x 2. Freeze is obviously off the table, seeing as you can't reliably induce it, but both Breloom and Parasect are able to False Swipe and have a 100% chance of putting the target to sleep with Spore--making them the most reliable sleep inducers that can also learn False Swipe.

They can't learn any trapping abilities, though, so they can't keep runners ensnared by their selves. Baton Passing Mean Look/Spider Web/Block on them is still an option, however.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Are we sure Power Items are the only way to pass down IVs? Because about half of the Darumaka this batch are "Likes to Thrash About" and so was the Father.

[Talvereaux]

They're the only way to guarantee which IV is passed down. Three will be randomly picked from either parent for random stats normally. It's possible to get the right stat from the right parent by chance alone, but if you have a Power Accessory, one stat from one parent is guaranteed.

[AtlanteanTroll]

They're the only way to guarantee which IV is passed down. Three will be randomly picked from either parent for random stats normally. It's possible to get the right stat from the right parent by chance alone, but if you have a Power Accessory, one stat from one parent is guaranteed.

... Then I've gotten lucky. Let's see, if they inherit 3, what are the chances that they'll get both SpA and Atk from the Dad? Not good. But that's what I want. Oh well, got to keep up the breeding.

14 out of 30 "Like to Thrash About" ... Hmmmm. 7 have the Nature and the Ability I want, 16 have just the Nature and 17 have just the Ability.

And so goes day 3. :smallsigh:

[Turalisj]

Are we sure Power Items are the only way to pass down IVs? Because about half of the Darumaka this batch are "Likes to Thrash About" and so was the Father.

*a darumaka walks by, a large grin on it's face and a cigar in it's mouth*

[AtlanteanTroll]

*a darumaka walks by, a large grin on it's face and a cigar in it's mouth*

And one of them is Bashful (Neutral nature) has Inner Focus and the following IVs: 26 / 31 / 24 / 30 / 22 / 28. It almost makes me not want to check the other 28 I bred. :smallsigh:

So yeah. *Awesome Darumaka who just got doped up on PokeRus goes to kill all his released and inbred family on Route 4* Mwhahahahahaha.:smallbiggrin:

Now I need an EV Spread...

[Mando Knight]

Baton Passing Mean Look/Spider Web/Block on them is still an option, however.

The only Baton Passers that learn those are slow (or at least slower than Roaming Legends). And Baton Pass no longer passes those traps in Gen V anyway.

[Turalisj]

And one of them is Bashful (Neutral nature) has Inner Focus and the following IVs: 26 / 31 / 24 / 30 / 22 / 28

So yeah. *Awesome Darumaka who just got doped up on PokeRus goes to kill all his released and inbred family on Route* Mwhahahahahaha.

Now I need an EV Spread...

I could give you a Beldum egg for a pokerus... :smallwink:

[AtlanteanTroll]

I could give you a Beldum egg for a pokerus... :smallwink:

Have it. :smallwink:

And no way I'd give it up.

EDIT: Misunderstood your Q. Uhm, sure. What's your FC? I didn't see it in the OP.

[Talvereaux]

The only Baton Passers that learn those are slow (or at least slower than Roaming Legends). And Baton Pass no longer passes those traps in Gen V anyway.

Ah, that puts a dampener on that!

[Linkavitch]

SO, today I was hanging with my youth pastor, and he found an old action replay with a copy of Diamond in it, which he gave to me. What's on this copy? 999 Master Balls, and a boxful of shiny event legendaries. Which I promptly transferred over to my Platinum. (And then I deleted the Diamond save file and gave the now empty cart to my little sis, who is now happily enjoying it.)

So, any way to use the AR if I don't have the USB cable and the AR disk?

[Turalisj]

Have it. :smallwink:

And no way I'd give it up.

EDIT: Misunderstood your Q. Uhm, sure. What's your FC? I didn't see it in the OP.

I meant I'd give you an egg for 'rus. My metang is currently breeding with ditto faster than I can hatch eggs.

[Fawkes]

I forget - is it possible to breed Dittos?

[Talvereaux]

I forget - is it possible to breed Dittos?

Nope. Put two dittos together, and they will never form babby.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I meant I'd give you an egg for 'rus. My metang is currently breeding with ditto faster than I can hatch eggs.

Actually, if you chose a different starter then Oshawott, I would like an Egg of that... (As I have a Metagross on my Platinum, and I don't want to deprive you of a potentially valuable Egg.)

Also, FC?

[The-Mage-King]

I forget - is it possible to breed Dittos?


Nope. Put two dittos together, and they will never form babby.

Yes, it is possible to breed Dittos.

Azmo, i am very disappoint.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Yes, it is possible to breed Dittos.

Since when, exactly? :smallconfused:

If you can now, that's cool as you could breed Eccentric Ditto. :smallbiggrin:

[Turalisj]

Actually, if you chose a different starter then Oshawott, I would like an Egg of that... (As I have a Metagross on my Platinum, and I don't want to deprive you of a potentially valuable Egg.)

Also, FC?

I've got the grass snake. I'll get an egg from him for you in a bit.


Name: Blades (what, it was the first name I used in pokemon)
FC: 4684-8033-0061


Deth needs to put this into the OP.

[Goldfly]

Yes, it is possible to breed Dittos.

Azmo, i am very disappoint.

...No you can't. It's been impossible since Gen II.:smallconfused:

[Talvereaux]

I just ran it ingame to be positive, and the Day Care man claimed "They prefer to play with other Pokemon"--which is what he says for Pokemon that are in incompatible egg groups.

Additionally, see here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ditto_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Trivia), second bullet.

[The-Mage-King]

...No you can't. It's been impossible since Gen II.:smallconfused:

...Really? I could have sworn...



DISTRACTION! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZCZ7M_lifM)

[Zocelot]

I'd argue Parasect or Breloom to be the best False Swipers by terms of flat catch-rate increase.

Paralysis increases the catch rate by x 1.5, while sleep and freeze increase it by x 2. Freeze is obviously off the table, seeing as you can't reliably induce it, but both Breloom and Parasect are able to False Swipe and have a 100% chance of putting the target to sleep with Spore--making them the most reliable sleep inducers that can also learn False Swipe.

They can't learn any trapping abilities, though, so they can't keep runners ensnared by their selves. Baton Passing Mean Look/Spider Web/Block on them is still an option, however.

In longer battles though, waking up from Sleep means you need to spend a turn putting it back to sleep instead of throwing a ball. I'm not sure whether paralysis or sleep gives you a better chance of catching a pokemon, mathematically (and I believe it varies depending on catch rate). Someone has problem done the calculations though.

[Talvereaux]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate#Exact_formula


bonusstatus is the multiplier for any status ailment the Pokémon has (2 for sleep and freeze, 1.5 for paralyze, poison and burn).

Longer fights are made shorter by the increased Catch Rate from using sleep over paralysis. There is the issue of reapplying, but every ball you toss is considerably more likely to end up making the catch.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I've got the grass snake. I'll get an egg from him for you in a bit.


Name: Blades (what, it was the first name I used in pokemon)
FC: 4684-8033-0061


Deth needs to put this into the OP.

OK, well, I'll go there and wait for ye.
EDIT: Or should I wait?

[pffh]

I just started playing platinum and am wondering if the return TM you get at the start is worth using on your starter or if I should save it?

I took the penguin starter if that matters.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I just started playing platinum and am wondering if the return TM you get at the start is worth using on your starter or if I should save it?

I took the penguin starter if that matters.

No, it doesn't matter as no starter will get a STAB benefit. Save it.

[pffh]

No, it doesn't matter as no starter will get a STAB benefit. Save it.

STAB benefit? (I haven't played a pokemon game since red and yellow :smallsmile: )

Also any tips on what to use it then since as I understand it's a decent normal attack.

[AtlanteanTroll]

STAB benefit? (I haven't played a pokemon game since red and yellow :smallsmile: )

Also any tips on what to use it then since as I understand it's a decent normal attack.

STAB = Same Type Attack Bonus.

Starapor (Starly's final form). Best early-bird ever, as in that he's worth keeping the whole game.

[pffh]

Ah that makes sense, I think, thank you :smallsmile:

[Turalisj]

@Troll: Don't bother waiting, I need to actually get the egg first. I'll send you word when I do. Will you be online all night?

[AtlanteanTroll]

@Troll: Don't bother waiting, I need to actually get the egg first. I'll send you word when I do. Will you be online all night?

Ehhhh. On and off. It's 5:45 here, I can be sure to get on at 7.

[Zocelot]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate#Exact_formula



Longer fights are made shorter by the increased Catch Rate from using sleep over paralysis. There is the issue of reapplying, but every ball you toss is considerably more likely to end up making the catch.

Assuming you're catching a Legendary, the catch rate is 3, it's at one health, so you can ignore the health aspect of the equation and you're using a Dusk Ball, so your ball multiplier is x4. This gives you a 12% chance of catching it.

If you Thunderwave, then throw 10 balls, with an 18% catch chance per ball , you have a (82/100)^10 chance of not catching it, or a 86% chance of catching it.

If you Spore the pokemon has a 1/2 chance of sleeping for one turn, 1/4 chance of sleeping for two, 1/8 for three and 1/16 for four and five. On average, it'll sleep just less than two turns. This means, that (on average), you will throw two balls, then spend a turn putting it back to sleep. In ten turns, you'll throw 7 balls. Your catch rate is 24% per ball, so your chance of not catching it in ten turns is (76/100)^7, and your chance of catching it is 85%.

The difference between sleep and paralysis is negligible. If you feel lucky, go for sleep, while if you prefer reliability (or, like most pokemon players, know that the game will try to screw you over by waking up the target every other turn), then go for paralysis.

[Legoshrimp]

Okay thanks for the advice. Which ability is better?

Also when do I get surf?

[Turalisj]

Ehhhh. On and off. It's 5:45 here, I can be sure to get on at 7.

I'm in, just waiting for you.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I'm in, just waiting for you.

Ah, sorry, I had my DS closed as it was running out of juice...

Thanks!! (Why did I hear laughing in the BG, that was creepy.)

Now all I need is a Tepig Egg...

[Legoshrimp]

Also Mando are any of those water pokemon catchable in White? If so where?

[Deth Muncher]

I would sell all of my future children into slavery for a legally obtained Shiny Metagross. Well...whatever the first evolution of that is so I can evolve it.

[The-Mage-King]

I would sell all of my future children into slavery for a legally obtained Shiny Metagross. Well...whatever the first evolution of that is so I can evolve it.

I think I can get you one. They're swarming in my Pt, and I'm bound to catch a shiny if I use the scanner...

[EifieFlare]

Also Mando are any of those water pokemon catchable in White? If so where?

Krabby and Corphish aren't available in White until postgame, and even then I don't know if they're in the game to begin with. Samurott is the evolved Water starter, and Keldeo is a Legendary that is apparently event-only.

Edit: Krabby can be fished for with the Super Rod once you complete the main story. Corphish can be found using Surf in White Forest.

[Turalisj]

I think I can get you one. They're swarming in my Pt, and I'm bound to catch a shiny if I use the scanner...

He said legal. So you're automatically out of the running :smalltongue:

[Legoshrimp]

Ah so no go on those, I guess I'll just have to have a special Pokemon for catching stuff.

[ShinyRocks]

I'd argue that Sleep is always best for roaming legendaries. The sleep count resets when a 'mon switches out or otherwise leaves battle; the roaming 'mon will always run, so the counter will always rest and it won't wake up.

Once it's asleep and down to 1 HP, chasing it around with Quick Balls (4x in first round) is probably better than trying to keep it with a Mean Look or something and using Dusk Balls (3.5 x at night).

It's how I got Thundurus anyway.

[Qwertystop]

He said legal. So you're automatically out of the running :smalltongue:

How are Platinum version and the Pokeradar illegal?

[Talvereaux]

Assuming you're catching a Legendary, the catch rate is 3, it's at one health, so you can ignore the health aspect of the equation and you're using a Dusk Ball, so your ball multiplier is x4. This gives you a 12% chance of catching it.

If you Thunderwave, then throw 10 balls, with an 18% catch chance per ball , you have a (82/100)^10 chance of not catching it, or a 86% chance of catching it.

If you Spore the pokemon has a 1/2 chance of sleeping for one turn, 1/4 chance of sleeping for two, 1/8 for three and 1/16 for four and five. On average, it'll sleep just less than two turns. This means, that (on average), you will throw two balls, then spend a turn putting it back to sleep. In ten turns, you'll throw 7 balls. Your catch rate is 24% per ball, so your chance of not catching it in ten turns is (76/100)^7, and your chance of catching it is 85%.

The difference between sleep and paralysis is negligible. If you feel lucky, go for sleep, while if you prefer reliability (or, like most pokemon players, know that the game will try to screw you over by waking up the target every other turn), then go for paralysis.

You'll go through less Pokeballs picking sleep, so it's cheaper.

Every attempt is a higher rate of success; it's not like you're losing anything besides the turn by reapplying sleep. If we used your math as applied to Pokeballs thrown instead of turns passed after they hit 1 HP, then your data'd favor sleep. If we used your math as to how likely they'll break free on individual attempts, then your data'd favor sleep.

You can say it's less viable for the re-application because it might take more turns, but that depends entirely on how you wish to frame the data.

[AtlanteanTroll]

He said legal. So you're automatically out of the running :smalltongue:

Scanner = Radar. Which is plenty legal.

[The-Mage-King]

He said legal. So you're automatically out of the running :smalltongue:


How are Platinum version and the Pokeradar illegal?

Indeed. I'd like to see where this train of thought comes from.


Scanner = Radar. Which is plenty legal.

My thoughts.

[Dvil]

Oh! Oh, the ending to Black/white! I didn't think it was possible to condense such awesome into such a relatively short scene.

Game Freak, I salute you.

[Legoshrimp]

I don't think money is ever really an issue in pokemon. So the time saved is more valuable then the pokeballs.

[EifieFlare]

I don't think money is ever really an issue in pokemon. So the time saved is more valuable then the pokeballs.

It's more of a problem in Black and White, since you don't get the chance to do any rematches, so you can't really earn money once you've already cleared an area. Of course, unless you're deliberately pulling off some sort of challenge mode run, it's still not that big of a deal, but it is more noticeable in B&W than in older generations.

Case in point, running out of money for the vending machines back in Castelia. I knew I shouldn't have bought those Super Potions. :smallannoyed:

[Legoshrimp]

I don't know I have never really used the rematch systems much. I mean by the time I am really legendary hunting is after the elite four, which you can always rematch, and legendarys are normally the only ones who really take a lot of balls to catch.

[Talvereaux]

I don't think money is ever really an issue in pokemon. So the time saved is more valuable then the pokeballs.

There is still the factor of sleep meaning better odds per attempt than paralysis, considering whether you hit or miss the catch boils down to the individual attempt's catch rate.

[Geno9999]

After watching my little brother play Pokemon White, I thought of a Nuzlocke-ish challenge; I call it
THE N CHALLENGE
0: If your pokemon faints, it has to be released back to the wild.
1: Every time you beat a Gym, you have to retire every Pokemon you had in your party at the time of challenging the gym leader.
2: Then, you have to catch Pokemon from the surrounding area of the city/town of the gym.
3: You cannot have more than 1 pokemon of the same species/line on your team at any time.
4: (optional) you can only have 6 Pokemon at anytime, which means you cannot have any Pokemon storied in the box.

What do you think?

[Croverus]

After watching my little brother play Pokemon White, I thought of a Nuzlocke-ish challenge; I call it
THE N CHALLENGE
0: If your pokemon faints, it has to be released back to the wild.
1: Every time you beat a Gym, you have to retire every Pokemon you had in your party at the time of challenging the gym leader.
2: Then, you have to catch Pokemon from the surrounding area of the city/town of the gym.
3: You cannot have more than 1 pokemon of the same species/line on your team at any time.
4: (optional) you can only have 6 Pokemon at anytime, which means you cannot have any Pokemon storied in the box.

What do you think?

Not a fan of using option 2, I mean, that makes using the starter at a gym a bad idea, and if you go witht he optional rule then you can only have 5 pokemon you are willing to give away after beating a gym. This also makes the fainting rule only important against regular trainers and wild pokemon, because a good player only ever loses a pokemon in a gym fight.

[Turalisj]

After watching my little brother play Pokemon White, I thought of a Nuzlocke-ish challenge; I call it
THE N CHALLENGE
0: If your pokemon faints, it has to be released back to the wild.
1: Every time you beat a Gym, you have to retire every Pokemon you had in your party at the time of challenging the gym leader.
2: Then, you have to catch Pokemon from the surrounding area of the city/town of the gym.
3: You cannot have more than 1 pokemon of the same species/line on your team at any time.
4: (optional) you can only have 6 Pokemon at anytime, which means you cannot have any Pokemon storied in the box.

What do you think?

Don't like, wouldn't bother with. Maybe if I found my Ruby version and found a GBA to play it on (or a DSXL)

[OracleofWuffing]

Good news: I'm finally ready to transfer all my Diamond pokemon over.

Bad news: I have nearly 540 pokemon on Diamond.

[The-Mage-King]

Worse news: You can only store 240 Pokemon on Black or White.




Also, Deth, I have your shiny Beldum. It's a L 52, because that's what I found it at. What game do you want me to trade it to you in?

[OracleofWuffing]

Worse news: You can only store 240 Pokemon on Black or White.

Better news:

That is only a temporary limit, and you can actually store much more than that. Go ahead and see what happens when you put one pokemon in each box!

[The-Mage-King]

Better news:

That is only a temporary limit, and you can actually store much more than that. Go ahead and see what happens when you put one pokemon in each box!

...

Well, first I was all like

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_I-GcUqET7F8/SYcKlWbWLuI/AAAAAAAAAEk/5cuBSQMKRx8/s320/Shinji+folding+chair.JPG

But then I checked on that, and I'm all like

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/082/567/original/awesome_koffing.png?1289582108

[Partof1]

Route 17 and 18 are hard. There's a part of the beach I just can't figure out how to get to.

EDIT: I probably have to wait for Winter or spring, don't I? To walk over the snow, or wait for the water to rise.

[AtlanteanTroll]

...

Well, first I was all like

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_I-GcUqET7F8/SYcKlWbWLuI/AAAAAAAAAEk/5cuBSQMKRx8/s320/Shinji+folding+chair.JPG

But then I checked on that, and I'm all like

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/082/567/original/awesome_koffing.png?1289582108

Now put a Pokemon in each of those new boxes.

[OracleofWuffing]

Now put a Pokemon in each of those new boxes.

Shall I fetch a mop for the mind-blown cleanup?

[The-Mage-King]

Now put a Pokemon in each of those new boxes.

I did. That's why the Awesome Koffing. Does it go past 24?

[AtlanteanTroll]

I did. That's why the Awesome Koffing. Does it go past 24?

No. I thought you only got to 12 Boxes.

[OracleofWuffing]

It goes 8, 16, then 24.

Um... Any important Diamond-only TM Moves I should teach to any pokemon before they cross the River Wi-Fi-Styx?

[The-Mage-King]

No. I thought you only got to 12 Boxes.

Well, 720 isn't that bad. That's enough to hold a dozen boxes of random Drilbur/Beldum that you're breeding a Shiny one from.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Well, 720 isn't that bad. That's enough to hold a dozen boxes of random Drilbur/Beldum that you're breeding a Shiny one from.

Yeah, you could have one of each Pokemon (why you would anything that isn't the final form is beyond me) and 71 spares while you were breeding.

[The-Mage-King]

Yeah, you could have one of each Pokemon (why you would anything that isn't the final form is beyond me) and 71 spares while you were breeding.

Living Pokedex. That is all.

[FantasyFoxMan]

Okay, so I've seen too many posts about this sort of thing, so I figure I'll just flat-out ask. How do I calculate IV Spreads on my Pokemon? All I know in-game is that most of my Pokes fall under the "above average" rating thanks to that one guy and I have no idea how to actually find the numbers involved. :smallconfused:

[OracleofWuffing]

Okay, so I've seen too many posts about this sort of thing, so I figure I'll just flat-out ask. How do I calculate IV Spreads on my Pokemon? All I know in-game is that most of my Pokes fall under the "above average" rating thanks to that one guy and I have no idea how to actually find the numbers involved. :smallconfused:

Okay, basically, you want to have a pokemon that hasn't battled any other pokemon or received experience from an experience share/experience all. It also helps to have not used Carbos, HP Up, and the like, though it's okay if you know exactly how many of them you used. (There are berries that you can use to "reset" your pokemon to this state, but Mother Nature just told everyone to just put your advanced berry plans on hold for now.)

You now want your Pokemon at the highest level you can get it, without battling another pokemon. In the olden days, Rare Candies were used, but nowadays you can hop on the Battle Subway Station Thing in That City With The Amusement Park and Stadiums to instantly get your pokemon up to level 50. You then need to check its stats, and put the data in an IV Calculator like this one (http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcdp.shtml). (Since this is a "clean" pokemon, your EVs are all 0. You can click the "Simplify?" link in the bottom left if it looks too complicated to you.) Then hit the "Calculate Individual Values" button. Since you're at level 50, you probably won't get an exact amount for your IVs but you'll usually get within a good range of three numbers.

[deuxhero]

Why does Serebii's IV calculator insist my stats spread is wrong, then instantly accept it when I put in the characteristic?

Losing to Dennis means I can see the full screen, but there is no reason for that to happen in the program.

Speaking of Dennis, 98 base speeds don't just outspeed 108 base speeders with a speed boosting nature. What did he do to his Hydreigon?

[The-Mage-King]

Evil stuff- it's not even to the normal level for evolution yet..

[Ryuho Tsugu]

Route 17 and 18 are hard. There's a part of the beach I just can't figure out how to get to.

EDIT: I probably have to wait for Winter or spring, don't I? To walk over the snow, or wait for the water to rise.

It's perfectly possible now; make sure you've explored all the currents.

[Talvereaux]

Why does Serebii's IV calculator insist my stats spread is wrong, then instantly accept it when I put in the characteristic?

Losing to Dennis means I can see the full screen, but there is no reason for that to happen in the program.

Speaking of Dennis, 98 base speeds don't just outspeed 108 base speeders with a speed boosting nature. What did he do to his Hydreigon?

Must have maximized speed IVs and EVs, while yours might fall short on one or both of those.

I've had my 252 speed, timid Hydreigon get outsped by a max speed Kangaskhan because they (the Hydreigon) had a faulty speed IV, so it only takes one botched factor to fall back.

[FantasyFoxMan]

Yeah, the only problem here is that I've already EV Trained this Pokemon (This Pokemon in example being Corn Flake the Zapdos), and to be quite honest, I have no idea how to calculate that spread either. :V

So, I guess I'm at a loss. On the bright side, I do know that my Zapdos's Hidden Power is Fighting, and it's fairly powerful. So, for sh*ts and giggles I decided to actually give it Hidden Power.

So far, I haven't regretted it. :smalltongue: Which is surprising, because I despise Hidden Power.

[Mando Knight]

Um... Any important Diamond-only TM Moves I should teach to any pokemon before they cross the River Wi-Fi-Styx?

Roost, Dragon Pulse, and Stealth Rock are the ones that come to mind, though Roost and Dragon Pulse can be learned as Egg Moves by some of the Pokémon in Gen V. You might want a Dark Pulse Arbok to breed with a Deino, if you want Hydreigon to know its best STAB Dark move, but that's optional. Also important are Pt/HGSS tutor moves, like Outrage, Elemental Punches, Aqua Tail, Magnet Rise, Earth Power, Endeavor...

[EifieFlare]

So regarding Black City's trait of determining its population based on how long it takes you to get there in your game, how long should I wait for it to get to its maximum population? Bulbapedia only says that the population is affected by how many days it takes, and doesn't actually give me numbers. It also says you can increase the population by using the wireless features, but I don't want to rely on connecting to other people for this.

For reference, the minimum and maximum populations are apparently 12 and 45 people, respectively, with a maximum of 23 Trainers if I counted correctly.

[FantasyFoxMan]

So, apparently, the only way to awaken a Darmanitan that's been sleeping for at least 2,500 years...

...is to give them a RageCandyBar. Really, Professor? :smallmad:

[Mando Knight]

So regarding Black City's trait of determining its population based on how long it takes you to get there in your game, how long should I wait for it to get to its maximum population? Bulbapedia only says that the population is affected by how many days it takes, and doesn't actually give me numbers. It also says you can increase the population by using the wireless features, but I don't want to rely on connecting to other people for this.
Black City's population appears to decrease as you continue without interacting. Wireless connection is basically the only way to increase population.

[EifieFlare]

Black City's population appears to decrease as you continue without interacting. Wireless connection is basically the only way to increase population.

Really? Guess it's a good thing so many people at my school love Pokemon then...

But what about delaying my arrival there? Will that at least increase the initial population so I don't have to do too much connecting starting off?

[Turalisj]

Black City's population appears to decrease as you continue without interacting. Wireless connection is basically the only way to increase population.

You can keep it at a stable size by having a battle with each trainer there when possible. It just sucks for me because there is no one else around me with a GenIV game. At least until my brother gets the white version he wants.

[ShinyRocks]

Similarly, I need to get people to visit my White Forest to get more pokeymans in it. All I've got atm is Arons, Happinys, Abras, Nidoran females and Raltses.

Now, I love the Ralts line, and I'm happy to be able to have easy access to synchronisers, and I can breed my 31 Atk IV female with my 31 Def and Speed male for a good chance at a fearsome Gallade, but nonetheless. I. Need. Togepi.

[Aotrs Commander]

Wait, wait, wait.

So, if I'm understanding this, if you don't play Pokemon, like every day, Black City and/or White Forest will slowly vanish? And you can only get them back if you talk to characters is somebody else's game, the other version at that? So, EVEN IF I had two DSs and one Black and one White game, if I don't play for a month or so (which, given my stop/start playstyle with ANY game, will happen), BOTH will be empty and unrecoverable?

And, if I'm correct, these places represent pretty much the only place with post-game re-battleable trainers?!

Really?

Really really?

Because if that's actually true, and I'm not misreading what it implies on Serebii, that's...Undescribably. Seven-asterisk. Stupid.

Seriously, this heavy-handed approach to trying to force you to play multiplayer is getting really, REALLY tiresome, Nintendo, particularly for those of us who don't have Pokemon playing friends and for whom going on line is a bit of a chore at the best of times (thanks to Nintendo's insistance on only having one form of encryption, which, no I'm not going to let go).

I just can't get my head around the fact that, if this is right (and I'm really hoping it's really not) it basically requires you to play constantly (or at least somebody in your circle of friends) or lose chunks of your game. Holding part of your (already paid-for) content hostage if you don't play every single day in the postgame?! I'm having difficulty beliving even Nintendo would be that assinine...Though that's what it is impling on Serebii.



I mean, I'm not overly fond of the idea of the Dream World being online only, to start with, (though I wouldn't really care except for it being the only place to grow berries) since Nintendo can decide to just take it away - assuming it ever gets implimented in the first place - at their whim. I like to be able to go back and play my games ten years later if I feel like it.

[Lix Lorn]

And, if I'm correct, these places represent pretty much the only place with post-game re-battleable trainers?!

That bit at least isn't true. There's the Royal Unova, and there are the stadium and court in Nuvema. Plus, I find that training in thick grass in the Chasm is pretty good.

[ShinyRocks]

I thought that you had to have people visit to get the most out of the areas, but I didn't think you had to play every day for 'upkeep', so to speak.

Although heavy-handed obligation to play every single day isn't exactly new from Nintendo. Animal Crossing and Nintendogs say hi! (I really hope my Nintendog ran away; poor thing will have starved to death long ago.)

[Qwertystop]

Does anyone have a female of any of the following lines that they could trade?
Solosis
Dwebble
Timburr
Litwick
Scraggy
The turtle fossil

Higher stats is better, obviously.

[Aotrs Commander]

That bit at least isn't true. There's the Royal Unova, and there are the stadium and court in Nuvema. Plus, I find that training in thick grass in the Chasm is pretty good.

Well that's something, at least.


I thought that you had to have people visit to get the most out of the areas, but I didn't think you had to play every day for 'upkeep', so to speak.

Well, if I'm reading Serebii right, it says that every day the points value decreases until it reaches 0 and then the character leaves and that eventually there will be no trainers and buildings/grass. So which seems to be pretty much that.


Although heavy-handed obligation to play every single day isn't exactly new from Nintendo. Animal Crossing and Nintendogs say hi! (I really hope my Nintendog ran away; poor thing will have starved to death long ago.)

I'm really beginning to think it's their way of desparetly trying to ape MMORPGs, because they think (rightly or wrongly) 50-umpteen-plus-percent of their market are too young to afford a subscription fee...

[Turalisj]

Well, if I'm reading Serebii right, it says that every day the points value decreases until it reaches 0 and then the character leaves and that eventually there will be no trainers and buildings/grass. So which seems to be pretty much that.

I thought it was that the 'counter' decreased by 5 every time you entered the city/forest and increased every time you did something.

[The-Mage-King]

The turtle fossil


I have one. I can trade you an egg for a Female Gothorita.

[AtlanteanTroll]

So, I need a spread and set for my Darmanitan.

Darmantian @ Leftovers -- Zen Mode
EVs: 124 HP / 124 Atk / 136 SpA / 124 Spe (Is that spreadin myself too thin?)
Flare Blitz
Psychic
Earthquake
Flamethrower

Anything better for this awesome gimick?

[Qwertystop]

I have one. I can trade you an egg for a Female Gothorita.

I think I have the youngest form, Gothita. Is that OK, or should I evolve it myself? I'd prefer a hatched one so I know if it's female, as it's unlikely to have the nature and ability I want and good IVs, so I want to be able to breed it.

[Turalisj]

Can anyone tell me good stats for the following 'mons:

Omanyte, Kabuto, Anorith, Aerodactyl, Archen, Lileep

And their evo's of course. I'm looking to make an all-fossil team.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Can anyone tell me good stats for the following 'mons:

Omanyte, Kabuto, Anorith, Aerodactyl, Archen, Lileep

And their evo's of course. I'm looking to make an all-fossil team.

Erm, what do you mean? Good IVs?

[The-Mage-King]

I think I have the youngest form, Gothita. Is that OK, or should I evolve it myself? I'd prefer a hatched one so I know if it's female, as it's unlikely to have the nature and ability I want and good IVs, so I want to be able to breed it.

Alrighty. I'll hatch it.


Unless you'd also like a Ditto...

[Deth Muncher]

Hey, The-Mage-King. I can be on later today, probably going to want it on my Heart Gold cart. Don't remember if I have that FC in the OP though...Oh well. Homework is now, updates are later.

[The-Mage-King]

Hey, The-Mage-King. I can be on later today, probably going to want it on my Heart Gold cart. Don't remember if I have that FC in the OP though...Oh well. Homework is now, updates are later.

Alrighty. I'll need to...

Crap. I forgot that Platinum is unable to use WEP locked connections...


I'm going to need to head to the library.

[Qwertystop]

Alrighty. I'll hatch it.


Unless you'd also like a Ditto...

I haven't finished the main storyline yet, because the lack of people in my neighborhood to Entralink with means I'm going to delay my gameplay as long as I can before reaching Black City, to maximize the amount of leeway I have in keeping people there. Not sure if I can get a National Dex pokemon without the National Dex. Also, I would be willing to trade minor stuff for a ditto with every nature, if I can get it.

[Deth Muncher]

Alrighty. I'll need to...

Crap. I forgot that Platinum is unable to use WEP locked connections...


I'm going to need to head to the library.

Yeaaaaah. Also partially my problem - my DS hates my internet (I have Verizon Fios). I'll have to hunt around for somewhere with acceptable Wifi and get back to you later.

[Turalisj]

Erm, what do you mean? Good IVs?

Yea, IV info, natures, and moves.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Grrrr. Mando get on... I need assistance.

Darmantian @ Leftovers -- Zen Mode
EVs: 124 HP / 124 Atk / 136 SpA / 124 Spe (Is that spreadin myself too thin?)
Flare Blitz (If it had Sheer Force and Life Orb, but for now I'll go with...) Fire Punch (Unless Flame Charge would be better, but I don't think it is)
Psychic
Earthquake
Flamethrower / Fire Blast

[Qwertystop]

Yea, IV info, natures, and moves.

The answer to "good IVs" is always "as high as you can get in everything other than an attacking stat that you are not going to use. The attacking stat can be anything." unless you want a certain Hidden Power, in which case you should look up a specific IV combination.

[Aotrs Commander]

I thought it was that the 'counter' decreased by 5 every time you entered the city/forest and increased every time you did something.

Well, what it says here (http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/blackcitywhiteforest.shtml) is that the point values goes when a "day passes". Serebii is usually fairly reliable (as is Bulbapedia when it's not overloaded with server stress!) but it's entirely possible it's not well explained or I'm misreading it.

If you're right, it's not as big an issue and potentially relatively easily worked around. So I hope you are...

[Turalisj]

The answer to "good IVs" is always "as high as you can get in everything other than an attacking stat that you are not going to use. The attacking stat can be anything." unless you want a certain Hidden Power, in which case you should look up a specific IV combination.

The Kabuto I got from a fossil has an attack IV of... 1 :smalleek:

I hope my second generation of 'mons is better than the first generation of fossil 'mons... Most have a 20+ in one stat and lower in all the rest. :smallannoyed:

[AtlanteanTroll]

The Kabuto I got from a fossil has an attack IV of... 1 :smalleek:

I hope my second generation of 'mons is better than the first generation of fossil 'mons... Most have a 20+ in one stat and lower in all the rest. :smallannoyed:

I'm writing a really indepth (for me) response. When I post it, can I have a Cookie? Also, Kabuto should be Adamant.

[ShinyRocks]

Okay, then. According to Serebii, I need to go to somebody's Black City and fight Lass Miki.

Pokemon is too complicated.

Edit: And this will NEVER happen because I have nobody to locally entralink with. I will never have a Togepi of my own. Stupid Aron. Stupid Nidoran. Taking space in my White Forest.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Turalisj, your "indepth" response.

Don’t use both Aerodactyl and Archen for starters (not stat related, I know). You already have two Water/Rock types, you don’t want two Rock/Flying when Aerodactyl is so much better considering he doesn’t have Defeatist. (I’d use Bastiodon.)

Remember TGVA8889’s advice:


Yeah, for Competitive Battling, you probably want to have a minimum of a 31 or 30 IV in a useful stat and no stats below 20 (except a useless offensive stat). Generally it's good to have most of your stats in the higher ranges (26+), with 30s or 31s in your most important few stats. Not totally necessary. More important is your Nature and your EVs, generally.

Omastar makes a good Tank, thank to his high Defense and good Special Attack. He loses SR this Gen, but he still has Spikes which is nice. Bold or Modest would be good Natures, as would Timid, but his low Speed won’t really be that much better after a boost and you don’t want your EVs their. So for Omastar you want high IVs in SpA, Def, and HP (base 70 is not good) while putting 252 EVs into HP (good Defense won’t keep him alive on it’s own) and 124 EVs in Defense and SpA while putting the last viable 8 in Spe.

Kabuto is a Physical Sweeping PokeGod. Give him Rain Dance support (make sure he has Swift Swim, not Battle Armor) and watch the World End (With You, and your damn Pokemon). It depends what you want to use him for, but Adamant is always a good choice with EVs in HP (worse then Omastar’s) Attack and Speed.

Armaldo is odd. Very nice Attack (better then Kabutops!!) but his Speed drags him down the hell hole. The good news is, so far, he has the highest base HP (OK, only by 5, sue me). Your best bet is a Rock Polish or SD set, so Adamant, one again, is preferred. Invest in Speed and HP evenly, as he needs it, while maxing out Attack.

Aerodactyl. Your best Fossil yet. He has a base speed of 130, so you’ll want to use that to your advantage, so a Jolly nature is nice (he has a base Attack of 105 and a base SpA of 60, you wont be using it). He makes a good lead, but losing SR really hurts him. He can get it through the DW though… :/

Anyway, max out his Speed and Attack, slap on a Life Orb, (or a Focus Slash, your choice) and you’re done.

I’m ignoring Archen.

Cradily, like most of your other fossils has a horrid Speed. It has a good SpD, which is nice as he and Omastar would be great partners in a Double Battle. His Attack and Special Attack are even, and he doesn’t get many different attacks, so he’s good as a support Pokemon considering he gets the whole Stockpile thing. He also doesn’t have many STAB moves so it’s Energy Ball, Ancient Power, or Rock Slide. Each has it’s Pros and Cons, so it’s your choice. He should be Calm, as long as you don’t choose Rock Slide. Max out HP EVs while split the remaining between Special Defense and your normal Defense.

[Aotrs Commander]

Okay, then. According to Serebii, I need to go to somebody's Black City and fight Lass Miki.

Pokemon is too complicated.

Edit: And this will NEVER happen because I have nobody to locally entralink with. I will never have a Togepi of my own. Stupid Aron. Stupid Nidoran. Taking space in my White Forest.

Well, eventually, someone will no doubt have one to trade, either from their own game or by importing from Gen IV. Though if you've not got a way to access the wireless network, that's still cruddy. Or you might be able to get one from the Dream World, I don't know.

But, yeah, in the short term you're screwed in that regard. I have some sympathy, since I'm in the same sort of boat with Spiritomb in Gen IV.

Thanks a bunch, Nintendo...

[AtlanteanTroll]

I have Togepi in my White Forest...

[The-Mage-King]

I have Togepi in my White Forest...

As do I. I'd be willing to trade...

[ShinyRocks]

Oooh, ooh! Anything I can offer you for one? I can breed up a Vullaby, or Ditto-breed an Oshawott. As mentioned, I've got Arons, Raltses, girl Nidorans, Abras, and Happinies in mine.

[The-Mage-King]

Oooh, ooh! Anything I can offer you for one? I can breed up a Vullaby, or Ditto-breed an Oshawott. As mentioned, I've got Arons, Raltses, girl Nidorans, Abras, and Happinies in mine.

Vullaby would be nice.

I'll trade with you later, though, since I'm at my school.

[Turalisj]

Question: If I get a SS/HG, can I transfer 'mons to my Black without the use of a second system? Or do I need 2 DSi?

[ShinyRocks]

Vullaby would be nice.

I'll trade with you later, though, since I'm at my school.

Oh, yes, whenever...

[AtlanteanTroll]

Question: If I get a SS/HG, can I transfer 'mons to my Black without the use of a second system? Or do I need 2 DSi?

2 DSs I'm afarid. It works through DS Dpwnload Play... Do you have friend? I know my local Library lets you rent a DS...

Can I have a Cookie now?

[deuxhero]

OK, was looking for an Adamant with high attack Zekrom, got a Jolly with MAX speed instead.


Yayness!


Now to deal with Dennis. Hmm, just level up (where?) or try something new...

[AtlanteanTroll]

OK, was looking for an Adamant with high attack Zekrom, got a Jolly with MAX speed instead.


Wootness!

GTS or natural? Because no soft-resseting for Zekrom, unless you have 720 Pokemon when it's time to catch him...

[deuxhero]

I caught him, beat N (easily), lost to Dennis (tried to win...) and checked stats.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I caught him, beat N (easily), lost to Dennis (tried to win...) and checked stats.

Dennis? Do you mean Ghetsis? I'm lost. :/

HEAD-DESK

I could've soft reset for Zekrom if I let Ghetsis beat me... GRAAAH. :/

EDIT: More head-deskery.


From Generation V, female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities have a 40% chance of passing on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose. For example, if a female Darmanitan with Zen Mode bred with a male Simisage, the offspring Darumaka may have Inner Focus instead of the usual Hustle and would evolve into a Darmanitan with Zen Mode, instead of Sheer Force.

So, let's say that when the Dream World comes out, I get an Encourage Nidoran M. I want to breed it down. Does this mean I can't? Or would Ditto still count as male (for some (I don't even want to think why) reason)?

[Talvereaux]

I'm a little late responding to it, but if you do continue with the fossil team:

Keep in mind while Kabuto and Omastar work best in the rain with Swift Swim behind their backs, the rest of the fossils (especially Cradily, who becomes an excellent tank with the special defense boost) really benefit from Sandstorm. You might want to make an exception to sneak Tyranitar on your team for that reason.

Also, there's nothing wrong with Archeops. Its speed is above average, it has a fair offensive type, and it has redonkulously high attack power before Defeatist kicks in, but being a glass cannon anyway, it probably can't take abuse as is, even without Defeatist considered. Defeatist does give it a weakness for residual damage, Stealth Rock being the most common that concerns it, so spin support might help if you feel the need to manage. Lastly, don't give it a Life Orb or anything.

Capitalize on speed first, then attack power, and you'll have a Pokemon who can fly like a G6 and hit like an orc on steroids. It doesn't take damage well, but the same can be said for most hyper-offensive Pokemon.

Edited to add: regarding Dennis,

Dennis = fan nickname for Ghetsis. During his battle theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww36siv8SBc#t=01m28s), there's chanting which got heard by a lot of the fandom as "Dennis".

Mostly spoilered to be superstitious. His battle is an ending detail, and not everyone's beaten the game yet.

[OracleofWuffing]

Can I have a Cookie now?
This question is a lot more hilarious when you consider, last generation, my naming scheme gimmick was to name everyone after pastries and other baked goods.

I wanna say Cookie was the Biberal.

Edit: On My Pokemon Ranch, my Wobbuffet just challenged the Challenger. And won. Wait. :smallconfused:

[AtlanteanTroll]

Also, there's nothing wrong with Archeops.

Aerodactly outclasses it, and Bastiodon would have a good spot on his team.


I wanna say Cookie was the Biberal.

I don't want a Cookie anymore. :smalltongue:

[Talvereaux]

Aerodactly outclasses it, and Bastiodon would have a good spot on his team.

105 base attack does not outclass 140 base attack. All they have in common is their typing, they play very differently.

[AtlanteanTroll]

105 base attack does not outclass 140 base attack.

His Speed and not having Defeatist does. Also Explosion, but Archen may get that. IDK.

[Talvereaux]

Did you even read my post on Defeatist? It's a disadvantage, but it isn't a dealbreaker.

And Aerodactyl outspeeds a lot of Pokemon. That doesn't mean he outclasses every physical attacker in the game.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Did you even read my post on Defeatist? It's a disadvantage, but it isn't a dealbreaker.
For you it isn't. For me, it is.


And Aerodactyl outspeeds a lot of Pokemon. That doesn't mean he outclasses every physical attacker in the game.

No, but he shares typing wiht Archen and he can hit harder for longer, and once he's almost down he can use Explosion better (does Archen even get it?) even if Explosion got nerfed this Gen.