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memnarch

2011-03-21, 04:59 PM

The Touhou Project is a series of 2D vertically-scrolling danmaku shooting games made by Team Shanghai Alice, with three fighting game spinoffs co-produced with Tasogare Frontier.

For those who don't know what danmaku is, it's Japanese for "bullet curtain" or "curtain fire". Also known as Bullet Hell; here's a picture.

http://i55.tinypic.com/qrexzm.jpg
Don't let that scare you off though, the game is usually not that intense. The fighting games are great to play if bullet shooters aren't your thing.

There are currently 19 official games; 5 for an old system called PC-98, and 14 for Windows. The PC-98 have nearly no connection to the Windows games. You also don't need to play the games in any order to enjoy them; I would personally recommend starting with Imperishable Night or Perfect Cherry Blossom, games 8 and 7 respectively.

Previous thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152965)

The fan base for Touhou is absolutely huge; basically everything that you can find besides the games is fan-made. The huge list of fanfiction, fan-games, music, images, etc.

Wikipedia
The Touhou Wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki), for your reading pleasure. Don't feel that it's necessary to read it; enjoy the Touhou series however you like. The front page of the wiki has links to the different game descriptions. There's also a page for fan-games located here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fangames).

Music
A Youtube playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPbaBonDAA&p=4BBDDF8940E8AC40&index=1&feature=BF) over 150 unplugged/classical based music and song remixes of the different tunes found in the Touhou games.

A Youtube playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un8y1IbbMno&feature=BF&list=PL4BF5198F14EEC8A5&index=1) over 100 metal/rock based music and song remixes of the different tunes found in the Touhou games.

Bad Apple (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152965); probably the most famous touhou fan video, thanks to the Cirno News Network (CNN) sharing it on the air.

Images
Danbooru (NSFW) is great for finding images of Touhou characters, but I would recommend browsing with Firefox+Adblocker to remove some of the NSFW content.

Safebooru is the SFW version of Danbooru, but again, you may google it at you're own risk.

Google is fairly good, but the quantity can be a little limited.
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If anyone thinks of something for me to add, just post about it.

EifieFlare

2011-03-21, 05:09 PM

Whoo, new thread! Posting for the sake of posterity, and a checkmark so I can find it later. :smalltongue:

Also, you forgot to mention the first game. Not quite a bullet shooter, more of an Arkanoid/Breakout sort of thing. Then again, no one really cares about the first 5.

Volatar

2011-03-21, 05:29 PM

Yay, new thread. I need to post more music in here :smalltongue:

Also marking the thread

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-21, 05:36 PM

Onwards, to new-thread yayness~! Let us taunt those who play on easy modo and steal precious things!

Terraoblivion

2011-03-21, 07:07 PM

Yeah, it was the Curtainfires I was thinking about Mage. Just an amusing little bunch of NPCs, really.

Eliirae

2011-03-21, 08:08 PM

While Touhou references in WoW is awesome, that's not enough to make me wanna go back :D

Drizvolta

2011-03-21, 09:58 PM

Who here plays Touhou Hack and Slash?

Tono

2011-03-21, 09:59 PM

I personally actually really liked the first one and put a decent amount of time into it, but that may have just been me. -.-

EifieFlare

2011-03-21, 11:26 PM

Who here plays Touhou Hack and Slash?

I have it, although it's gotten sort of boring doing single-player. Netplay on that, even locally with one of my friends who lives about 5 minutes away from me, seemed rather laggy.

I personally actually really liked the first one and put a decent amount of time into it, but that may have just been me. -.-

Eh, didn't like the first game that much. Had no idea what I was doing, so that might have been why. The danmaku ones were okay too, but seeing as I was already spoiled with the newer games, they lost some of the appeal. I still 1CC'd Lotus Land Story on my first run of the game though, which I thought was hilarious.

Mirrinus

2011-03-22, 01:04 AM

Finally got the two songs I was missing for Sengoku Gensokyo: remixes of Maiden's Capriccio and Suwa Foughten Field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-1imm1nZnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvR-1Bjt28

I especially like the latter.

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-22, 04:29 AM

Touhou hack and slash looks like a fun, little diablo-like time waster, so I'd probably enjoy it. Anyone care to do a multiplayer game of it(probably during the summer, if schedules clash)?

Finally got the two songs I was missing for Sengoku Gensokyo: remixes of Maiden's Capriccio and Suwa Foughten Field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-1imm1nZnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvR-1Bjt28

I especially like the latter.

The first is quite good, feels like it should be in a DW game, but the second is truely deserving of Kanako's divinity(I mean seriously, she's a goddess, remixes of her music need to reflect that more often.:smallbiggrin:)

And just a little myuusak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb0G0UP-JaQ&NR=1) of my own. Oh, and while I can remember; did anyone here ever save/find an alternate link to Taboovampire's horrible series on youtube? If you don't know what I'm talking about it's the last song in Koishi Hell. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivVoqUO3_0)

Fri

2011-03-22, 11:50 AM

I want to ask something. What is Reimu's and Marisa's main theme song/leitmotif?

Volatar

2011-03-22, 12:23 PM

Speaking of Sengoku Gensokyo, could someone help me download it? I can't read Japanese, and Google Translate doesn't seem to work on the site, so I can't for the life of me find the download link.

Rolaran

2011-03-22, 12:58 PM

memnarch

2011-03-22, 01:16 PM

Speaking of Sengoku Gensokyo, could someone help me download it? I can't read Japanese, and Google Translate doesn't seem to work on the site, so I can't for the life of me find the download link.

Try looking on this image board thread (http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/482655.html).

EifieFlare

2011-03-22, 02:06 PM

I want to ask something. What is Reimu's and Marisa's main theme song/leitmotif?

I think generally people use Maiden's Capriccio - Dream Battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRelf7LkH2s) from Imperishable Night for Reimu, and Marisa has a bunch of different themes (I remember hearing somewhere that she has the most themes of any character).

Yeah I think most people just go with the IN themes for them, meaning "Maiden's Cappricio - Dream Battle" and "Love-colored Master Spark." Maybe it's because those are the only actual theme songs for them in the main shooter games.

Caution! Link spam imminent!
Of course, they have other ones too, but they're from the more gimmicky games. Reimu has both "Mystic Oriental Love Consultation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBmH70LVk4)" and "Dichromatic Butterfly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Cb_UpNZ6M)" from the fighters, and "Colorful Path (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcKB5jlESc)" from PoFV. And then there's Marisa, who has seven theme songs, two of which are "Love-colored X" and sound rather (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ssmxWJftyo) similar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmrPJirlkko). "Vessel of Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChyDsb-oTJE)," an old song from the PC-98 games, became more popular once it was remixed in the fighters, but then most of her others are again from the "not main" danmaku games ("Dim. Dream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV9iwE0pe74)" (PC-98), "The Witches' Ball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX97hLEih6Y)" (not a Touhou original, but remixed into "Dance of Witches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs0yOwJLKY)" for IaMP), "Oriental Dark Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xG3Mlunqog)" (PoFV), and "Magus Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dJA_YLSPz0)" (Fairy Wars)).

As you can tell, lots of songs for the main heroines. Also, for the most part, any songs remixed for the fighters came from either the PC-98 or Seihou games.

Cogwheel

2011-03-22, 04:49 PM

Also, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzOUqOCRXOs) is technically not Reimu's theme, but often seen as one. And Marisa, while it's not in any game, also gets Magician's Melancholy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ai3_DXltMk) as her theme.

Volatar

2011-03-22, 05:29 PM

Try looking on this image board thread (http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/482655.html).

Thanks. :smallsmile:

Drizvolta

2011-03-23, 01:51 AM

And just a little myuusak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb0G0UP-JaQ&NR=1) of my own. Oh, and while I can remember; did anyone here ever save/find an alternate link to Taboovampire's horrible series on youtube? If you don't know what I'm talking about it's the last song in Koishi Hell. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivVoqUO3_0)

Sounds like Touhou themes in G-major, it's a bit of a meme to make things sound very scary.

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-23, 10:25 AM

Sounds like Touhou themes in G-major, it's a bit of a meme to make things sound very scary.

Yeah, but TabooVampire had their's a particular pitch/tone/whatnot, plus most of the other g-major mixes are just ear-shattering walls of noise; observe. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTC3EMV5rbc&feature=related) Still, just searching there I've come across some good (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwYZQHIjtsw&feature=related) ones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q261aF4lJ1E&feature=related), the version of Koishi's being almost exactly the same as TabooVampire's. Now the only thing I'm missing is TabooVampire's deepmix of Marisa Stole The Precious Thing.

Rolaran

2011-03-23, 09:58 PM

On the subject of music (though hopefully not on the subject of things sounding horrifically scary), does anyone know good electronic resources for composing Touhou-style? I'm thinking I might do some Touhou remixes now that I have a decent-quality keyboard, but I don't know which tools are available, or are best for composing in WAV format. I've already worked out an A-capella arrangement of "History of the Moon" that should, at least in theory, be compatible with any Common Meter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre) song.

Volatar

2011-03-23, 10:19 PM

Everyone has seen the Bad Apple Shadowgraph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXUhIxijosE) video.

A lot less have seen it on a laser scanner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJaAYD0YT44).

But no one, until today, has seen it in a Terminal window.

My friend Kuraitou has done just that.

Download (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19138775/HALT_BadAppleFinal2.zip). Run HALT.exe. SabiReference.exe is the same thing in his old system.

Forum thread (http://zettabyte.ws/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=753) for his HALT project.

By the way, you should include a link to the last thread in the OP memnarch.

memnarch

2011-03-24, 12:03 AM

And thanks to one of your links, I now have a new screen saver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so64S8XAySQ&feature=related).

FantasyFoxMan

2011-03-24, 12:05 AM

Cogwheel

2011-03-24, 12:07 AM

A lot of people probably haven't seen the one that "hurts your eyes and ears" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXpUdpYxIc8), either. Of course, I could be wrong. :smallwink: On that note, Russian Bad Apple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi2b6PnTSqU) is relatively awesome, too.

Hah. No.

THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC0cvwnG0Ik) harms your ears. And has nothing to do with Bad Apple.

Seriously, don't blame me if you click on that. You have been warned.

Eliirae

2011-03-24, 12:21 AM

Volatar

2011-03-24, 12:23 AM

And thanks to one of your links, I now have a new screen saver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so64S8XAySQ&feature=related).

That's awesome. I want that screensaver now.

memnarch

2011-03-24, 12:26 AM

Everyone has seen the original Bad Apple. Maybe even the screensaver version, the scanner version, and other versions, but have they seen the English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABe4o099M8s) version?

Yes? Well crap. I wanted to feel like I was contributing. Still pretty good IMO.

Weeeeeeell, the original isn't quite like that.... There's a lot more shooting involved... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MxNex9He2U) :smalltongue:

Then download it; there's a link on the video.

Eliirae

2011-03-24, 12:32 AM

Weeeeeeell, the original isn't quite like that.... There's a lot more shooting involved... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MxNex9He2U) :smalltongue:

Right. Bad choice of wording. The Bad Apple that's insanely popular. Sorry Orange! (It is orange's theme, right? Or is that Elly?)

memnarch

2011-03-24, 12:43 AM

I was kidding about it being the original, sorry.

And it's Elly's stage theme; you can hear it if you watch towards the end of the vid.

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-24, 04:44 AM

No one gonna mention Bad Apple's little sister, Bad Apple & Good Orange? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-1uYgt50AE)

Oh, and why doesn't elly's boss theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ynBOr-60o) get more love?

Assassin89

2011-03-24, 08:38 PM

Bad Apple? I don't really hear much of Lotus Land Story's third stage theme there. As far as music from Lotus Land Story goes, I prefer Decoration Battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3NESQFLRKU) and Faint Dream ~ Inanimate Dream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LvAD4Tg30).

Jm2c

2011-03-26, 07:24 AM

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-27, 06:08 AM

Speaking of music, I've uploaded five more tracks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTJXtwpt6E&feature=BF&list=PLFC3BFDFE1FDCCD3A&index=19) from Touhoumon 1.8. I can't quite place the Rocket Game Corner theme, though.

I really, really hate the random Touhoumon cries in the background.

Not much a fan of 8-bit music, but I love the Road of the Apotropaic God one. The first is really hard to pin down, everytime I start to hear one tune, another kicks it out of place. Gah. I think I heard Voile, the Magic Library in there somewhere, and possibly some Locked Girl ~ Girl's Secret Room.

Oh, and the U.N Owen Was Her? sounds more like Heian Alien. I'm actively trying to hear the U.N Owen Was Her? and I still don't notice it.

Oh, and I found some touhou songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYguHmgsQAU&feature=related) done (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5SVVYJTLeI&feature=related) in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVUMFM4vBB4&feature=related) PC-98 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngl0mMjb6ss&feature=related) style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfIZI4wBACI). Enjoy~ :smallbiggrin:

Jm2c

2011-03-27, 10:20 AM

Oh, and the U.N Owen Was Her? sounds more like Heian Alien. I'm actively trying to hear the U.N Owen Was Her? and I still don't notice it.

Maybe it's because I haven't heard Heian Alien much, but I keep hearing UN Owen. Compare the riff here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJhU) from 0:18 to 0:30. That's what it reminded me of. Upon listening to Heian Alien, however, yeah, that's definitely it. Come to think of it, I haven't really heard newer themes much at all. Some parts of Heian Alien are similar to the aforementioned riff, so without previous exposure to the original song, I assumed it was UN Owen, which I'm very familiar with. :smalltongue:

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-27, 10:51 AM

Maybe it's because I haven't heard Heian Alien much, but I keep hearing UN Owen. Compare the riff here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJhU) from 0:18 to 0:30. That's what it reminded me of. Upon listening to Heian Alien, however, yeah, that's definitely it. Come to think of it, I haven't really heard newer themes much at all. Some parts of Heian Alien are similar to the aforementioned riff, so without previous exposure to the original song, I assumed it was UN Owen, which I'm very familiar with. :smalltongue:

There are some resemblances between the two songs, but I don't really get the whole "lol Nue copied Flandre" thing I've seen being thrown around. And while we're on the topic of blurred lines between ex-boss themes, have some (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxl1VUYAnaM) kooky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5aGfu3QC8) remixes. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-3oDR4ti8)

Drizvolta

2011-03-28, 01:30 AM

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-28, 09:28 AM

Alright, I think it's my turn to contribute some Touhou mixes.

Touhou 8: Stage 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkeTaVrFNfI)
Lunatic Eyes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXEybI7WOFU&feature=related)
Necrofantasia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXScdqV2fA0)
Hartmann's Youkai Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxhXBcfxvA)
Cosmic Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyZu--hBIhE&feature=related)

Eh, they strike me as a little samey and boring with the drum and bass. The sax in Necrofantasia was nice, though.

I don't think these have been mentioned: Touhou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoHRcnKuEUo&feature=related) songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G6IVXhylxk&feature=related) in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUZBSVwftVQ&feature=related) a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13AnnisdRzg&feature=related) traditional (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdlrkfwcuv8&feature=related) style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOKvyZybFnU&feature=related) (and (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONB-RSrv1o&feature=related) then (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSaoPH5Iyw&feature=related) some). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqrur3844RM&feature=related)

Volatar

2011-03-28, 11:27 AM

dgnslyr

2011-03-28, 06:58 PM

So, Touhoumon. I want to start playing it, but I haven't a clue which 'mons to pick. I think I'll be starting with Sakuya, though. Any advice?

Cogwheel

2011-03-28, 07:36 PM

So, Touhoumon. I want to start playing it, but I haven't a clue which 'mons to pick. I think I'll be starting with Sakuya, though. Any advice?

They're basically all equal. You can pick almost any of them and not really worry about their being under/overpowered. In short, pick whichever you want.

That said, Marisa's speed/SpA-heavy and can evolve into an annoyer or sweeper, if memory serves. Sakuya is essentially a tank. No clue about Reimu.

Terraoblivion

2011-03-28, 08:17 PM

And after a great deal of thinking, I'm increasingly starting to think that my dislike of Remilia is fundamentally irrational. There are lots of reasons I should like her. I love her theme, she's a serious, important character with a background full of drama and passion that can be used and I love most of the characters she surrounds herself with. My best bet, apart from her stealing Sakuya from Meiling and me generally not liking child characters, is that she tends to get screwed over in fan portrayals. She seems to either be shown as a simpering moeblob or gets so reduced to just a few manifestations of coolness that she's a flat boring character.

So I want to ask if you can link your favorite art, doujins, remixes of Septette and so on just to let me see some more of her and try to tell if I'd like her better if I saw the actually good fan portrayals of her.

Rolaran

2011-03-28, 08:32 PM

Sure, I'll take a shot at that. Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dHL_71QDEs) a video I linked at some point in the last thread. Manages to portray Remilia as having feelings and emotions, without dropping into the whole "simpering moeblob" thing (which drives me nuts as well). Also has some cool moments, without making the character nothing but. And I'm not sure it's possible for someone with a brother or sister to watch it and not cry. (The song, sadly, is not Septette, but some Vocaloid... thing.)

Prime32

2011-03-28, 08:32 PM

She seems to either be shown as a simpering moeblob or gets so reduced to just a few manifestations of coolness that she's a flat boring character.

So I want to ask if you can link your favorite art, doujins, remixes of Septette and so on just to let me see some more of her and try to tell if I'd like her better if I saw the actually good fan portrayals of her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdlMdyURwtk

Does Evangeline McDowell count as a fan portrayal? :smalltongue:

Assassin89

2011-03-28, 08:33 PM

Prime32

2011-03-28, 08:37 PM

Charisma Breaks = depth, surely. She's a lonely child who's been forced to wear the mask of a wicked adult etc. etc.

She is respected by most youkai, but her charisma doesn't stem from her personality; rather, it comes from the fear that they have for her kind. She has one younger sister; nothing else is known about her family. See? No one really knows her, they just fear the "terrible vampire" who doesn't even kill people. Anyone with that kind of life would seem petty and selfish (and she actually does treat her servants pretty well, even canonically throwing parties for them). She just started the Scarlet Mist Incident to find a friend.

Drizvolta

2011-03-28, 09:14 PM

For all the hate that Buront gets, atleast the series he's in gives us this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/648053/comic-izayoi_sakuya-remilia_scarlet-the_iron_of_yi) portrayal of Charisma.

Cogwheel

2011-03-28, 10:12 PM

So, Touhoumon. I want to start playing it, but I haven't a clue which 'mons to pick. I think I'll be starting with Sakuya, though. Any advice?

You've since cause me to replay the hack, sort of. The 1.8 version, where all the types are weird and there are less unique moves. Liking it less, so far.

At the moment, I've got a team of five (an Momiji, who cuts things) after finishing off Surge.

C Reisen (starter), Kisume, Wriggle, C Satori, C Yuugi, all at level 28. Satori is... Ditto with an extra attack, so far. I hope that changes. Reisen's gradually becoming less effective, Wriggle is the polar opposite (started out pathetic, getting better, much better post-Needle Arm), Kisume is fairly tanky/a weakness-sniping toolbox, and Yuugi basically just smashes everything to pieces.

Terraoblivion

2011-03-29, 03:33 PM

Thanks everyone. I must admit that I didn't like the picture you linked, Drizvolta, it came off more ridiculous than cool or charismatic. I think I get what you were trying for, but it just doesn't work for me. The other three were great though.

I knew Priere, it was the one portrayal I really liked Remi in since the first time I saw it, in fact it was the thing that first made me wonder why I didn't like her. The other song did more to make Flandre look likable and sympathetic than Remi, since even if it wasn't intentional the older Scarlet came off as kind of a jerk in it. Thankfully Patchy stepped in to help.

And the doujin was of course nice, I love Meiling being treated seriously and it also helps that Remilia came off genuinely charismatic and intelligent. Shino didn't resort to asserting it or just going to just going over the top in place of genuinely showing her be charismatic.

memnarch

2011-03-29, 04:47 PM

EifieFlare

2011-03-29, 04:51 PM

Any (http://i55.tinypic.com/ruxlhg.jpg) of (http://i52.tinypic.com/20apbop.jpg) these (http://i53.tinypic.com/2pphvyo.jpg) better (http://i52.tinypic.com/maylok.png) pictures (http://i55.tinypic.com/2197vgw.jpg) Terra? (http://i55.tinypic.com/vh4v84.png)

So...many...spears...

Not that I've tried looking very hard, but it seems like a LOT of not-moe-blob pictures of pretty much everyone have their signature weapon/object somewhere if they have one.

memnarch

2011-03-29, 05:10 PM

Well, I went hunted for them specifically, as searching with the epic tag didn't give me enough results. :smalltongue:

Jm2c

2011-03-29, 05:44 PM

They're basically all equal. You can pick almost any of them and not really worry about their being under/overpowered. In short, pick whichever you want.

That said, Marisa's speed/SpA-heavy and can evolve into an annoyer or sweeper, if memory serves. Sakuya is essentially a tank. No clue about Reimu.

The thread has moved on since this, but I'll bite. I chose Sakuya as my starter (assuming we're talking about Aqua/Yui's version here), and one trick I like with her is to play her as a tank/sweeper. In battle, I spam Luna Dial until a frozen condition sticks, buff Attack through the roof with Mind's Eye during free turns (or while tanking hits, if you want), then go to town with a good hard Physical smack, usually STAB Sculpture. Can't decide between tanking or sweeping? Have your cake and eat it too. Works best with FSakuya, who's got even higher defenses than regular ESakuya.

Reimu acts best, if memory serves, as a mixed sweeper type. However, if you like to keep around a supporting mon such as a Cleric or Baton Passer as I like to, NekoReimu is an amazing BPer. She gets Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, and Substitute all as part of her normal moveset, along with Speed Boost as ability and decent defensive stats to keep her alive through all that buffing. If you feel like it, you could have NekoReimu buff for six rounds and then Baton Pass your sweeper of choice a full x4 boost to all stats and a decently-sized Substitute, too. That's the extreme case, of course.

Cogwheel

2011-03-29, 06:00 PM

Snip

Speaking of which, I have a few choices for the sixth slot on my team in 1.8. Ignore everything you know from Aqua/Yui, it won't apply here. That said...

Letty, Rumia, Suika or no one yet. Thoughts?

memnarch

2011-03-29, 06:30 PM

No one yet.

FantasyFoxMan

2011-03-30, 12:57 AM

THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC0cvwnG0Ik) harms your ears. And has nothing to do with Bad Apple.

Oh, Cog, you're silly. This is the most beautiful music in the world. I have no idea what you're talking about. :V

Jm2c

2011-03-30, 01:37 AM

Speaking of which, I have a few choices for the sixth slot on my team in 1.8. Ignore everything you know from Aqua/Yui, it won't apply here. That said...

Letty, Rumia, Suika or no one yet. Thoughts?

Depends on what you want out of the sixth slot. Given the choices, I assume you're currently going through Rock Tunnel?
Letty is mostly a special attacker with some utility powers that she can learn through move relearner (Wish). Could also be played as a Sleep Talker. Rumia is a physical tank, while Suika is a dedicated special wall with lots of hit points and SDef plus Sand Stream. So yeah, choose your poison. That's assuming this is all pre-Elite 4, because after that your choices literally triple. :smalltongue:

Here's (http://www39.atwiki.jp/touhoukeitai/pages/774.html) a link to the Japanese wiki with 'dex.

EDIT: Also, I just noticed that the Touhoudex on Touhou Wiki is now complete. Niice.

FantasyFoxMan

2011-03-30, 02:13 AM

Oh, god, yes, Touhoumon. I haven't played that in a while, but I played through one of the newer versions that changes EVERY type around.

I remember my team by the end of the game was Reisen, Yuugi, Wriggle, Aya, Byakuren, and, of course, Cirno. :3

I had Kogasa, too, but I swapped her out as her stats weren't entirely great. A bit of a disappointment, that. I love Kogasa. :smallfrown:

Volatar

2011-03-30, 12:27 PM

Any (http://i55.tinypic.com/ruxlhg.jpg) of (http://i52.tinypic.com/20apbop.jpg) these (http://i53.tinypic.com/2pphvyo.jpg) better (http://i52.tinypic.com/maylok.png) pictures (http://i55.tinypic.com/2197vgw.jpg) Terra? (http://i55.tinypic.com/vh4v84.png)

Are we posting Remilia pictures?

I can (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2284/konachancom81350.jpg) help (http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1842/konachancom85079.png) there (http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5129/1284956522352.jpg).

Cogwheel

2011-03-30, 11:55 PM

Snip

Thanks for the link! Much more helpful than the English version. And yes, before beating the Elite Four. Just downed Koga, though.

Oh, god, yes, Touhoumon. I haven't played that in a while, but I played through one of the newer versions that changes EVERY type around.

I remember my team by the end of the game was Reisen, Yuugi, Wriggle, Aya, Byakuren, and, of course, Cirno. :3

I had Kogasa, too, but I swapped her out as her stats weren't entirely great. A bit of a disappointment, that. I love Kogasa. :smallfrown:

That's the version I'm playing now, having already finished the Aqua version that, uh, hates you. Though this version is kinda tricky for some gym leaders too (I hate Koga, let's just leave it at that). Also, we share half a team. This time around, I've got Reisen, Yuugi and Wriggle. Wriggle was on the team last time too.

Aaaanyway. Once again, I am indecisive. Storming the Sylph Co. now, and about half done with that, mebbe more. Team of Yuugi, Patchouli, Wriggle, Reisen, Kisume, Satori, with the last two (well, mostly Satori) as something of a weak link. All fully evolved, with Satori at L38 and the rest at L39.

However, I'm tempted to train a few others up as well. Blame it on the turbo function. So, here are some options, with a role and level in parentheses.

C Yukari (no idea, probably sleep-based, has Metronome, L30), C Parsee (probably an annoyer, L16) have been sitting around for some time.

Hourai (L22, no clue, becomes a Goliath Doll), C Suwako (no idea, L7, is Suwako so I'm a tad biased), C Komachi (survival/annoyer, as far as I know, L30), C Suika (already covered, L33) and C Ran (L33, no clue) al lcame from the Safari Zone.

C Yorihime (yes, I know, but she does seem to be a very good sweeper, and is L25), as well as Akyu (L25, Smeargle by another name) were picked up from events.

Finally, the slot prizes include C Eiki (5500 coins), Genjii (500 coins), and Gyokuto (no idea, 9999 coins). I've got the Japanese version, so in English, that last one could be Shingyoku. Ran and Patchouli are available too for some reason, but I have both. Any of the ones on this list would probably be level 5.

So, any suggestions?

Edit: Yuyuko or Youmu are also an option, I guess.

More edit: Eiki can be found at the Safari Zone as well, and is L27 or so there. Also, the giant catfish from Hisoutensoku can be caught there. I could also head over to the power plant early in an attempt to catch C Flandre (L26, apparently).

Jm2c

2011-03-31, 04:05 AM

Yukari is an excellent mixed wall, but hell to train. I've got one in my current team, and she literally needs almost twice as many XP to level as some other Touhous. She can indeed pull Rest+Sleeptalk. Metronome is fun, but I'm led to think that another approach than STalking is more optimal. I don't have any experience with STers, though, so it's possible my ineptness at the tactic coloured my experiences.

Hourai and Shanghai both evolve into Goliath. In each case, Goliath is mainly a physical tank with high Def and Atk, the difference comes mainly from movesets and the attacks she learned before evolving. Hourai's moveset lends itself more towards defense and support, while Shanghai's goes straight for bulky sweeping. IIRC, Shanghai even gets Dragon Dance. Hourai in turn gets Wish and a defensive buff or two.

Yorihime is a mixed sweeper, and while good at it, the sisters aren't nearly as broken in 1.8 as they're in Aqua/Yui. Gyokuto is Reisen II, and I have no idea what she does either. Parsee is, IIRC, indeed an annoyer, your estimate of Komachi is correct as well. Ran is, as far as I know, mostly a quick physical sweeper.
On Flan, I think her stone evolutions are most interesting. SFlan is an extremely fast mixed sweeper, while AFlan is Overkill Incarnate.

Cogwheel

2011-03-31, 04:14 AM

Snip

I'll train the L27 Shanghai and ignore Hourai, then... what's Wish, though?

As for Yorihime, I'm just going by the fact that in the preceding fight, Yorihime very nearly wiped out my entire team single-handedly. Remarkably powerful, as far as I can tell, but no, not broken.

If I train Yukari, it won't be for an ST build... and yes, I think I'll wait for the national dex before catching Flandre.

Incidentally, is there any sort of online capability on this?

Jm2c

2011-03-31, 04:30 AM

I'll train the L27 Shanghai and ignore Hourai, then... what's Wish, though?Wish spends a turn and two turns later heals the currently active Touhoumon.

As for Yorihime, I'm just going by the fact that in the preceding fight, Yorihime very nearly wiped out my entire team single-handedly. Remarkably powerful, as far as I can tell, but no, not broken.Ah, yes. I remember tearing through the Dojo... and then suddenly lvl 45 Watatsukis.

Incidentally, is there any sort of online capability on this?

Well, there's the wiki I linked, as well as the now apparently complete Touhoudex on Touhou Wiki. I typically use the Japanese wiki as the definitive source for base stats and abilities, but I don't actually read Moonrunes very well, so I need to check Touhou Wiki for moves (since I couldn't find a movelist for 1.8 on the Jap wiki). However, I haven't looked at either in a long while, so maybe there's an updated movelist now.

Cogwheel

2011-03-31, 04:36 AM

Well, there's the wiki I linked, as well as the now apparently complete Touhoudex on Touhou Wiki. I typically use the Japanese wiki as the definitive source for base stats and abilities, but I don't actually read Moonrunes very well, so I need to check Touhou Wiki for moves (since I couldn't find a movelist for 1.8 on the Jap wiki). However, I haven't looked at either in a long while, so maybe there's an updated movelist now.

Oh. Sorry if that was unclear. I was asking if there's any way to actually play against/trade with others using the hack.

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-31, 08:02 AM

Just posting these Remilia =/= Charisma Break piccies before the topic becomes irrelevant.
☢CAUTION☢ massive image dump inbound.

http://i.imgur.com/HXyyG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gUEB2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ts8zA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IHjnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lnK5r.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ExGqO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Uws0d.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ERbKN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/X3KpJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tXodM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IOhPL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YD74A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xl6U1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jod6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NuOmE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sCaZD.jpg

And this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/2591)(Note: Miscast_Mage will not be held responsible for loss of time, sanity, and/or purity as a result of searching for danbooru or any works located within it) comic seems to portray Remi as quite the badass.

Here (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/837538)(Note: See previous disclaimer) also portray's Remi as charismatic, but it's not a comic that focuses on her.

Also, does the DA: Origins thread title "You sneaky witch-thief!" reminds anyone else of a certain troublesome black-white with a penchant for "borrowing" books?

Hmm, all this talk of Touhoumon makes me want to get into it. Is it easy-ish for beginners to pick up?(I haven't played a pokemon title since I was little kid).

EifieFlare

2011-03-31, 04:39 PM

Hmm, all this talk of Touhoumon makes me want to get into it. Is it easy-ish for beginners to pick up?(I haven't played a pokemon title since I was little kid).

Well, it's a Pokemon game. So, storyline/plotline-wise, it's very easy to just do whatever you want and almost always come out on top. It's only if you want to get into player-vs-player battles that you'll need to know the numbers of the game. I don't think I've tried the 1.8 version (and have no idea which one I have), but it's quite simple in my opinion. The only problem I really had was trying to figure out what types everyone was, since some of them aren't too obvious.

Also, ChaRemilia (yeah that wasn't working) Charismatic Remilia seems to enjoy sitting.

Terraoblivion

2011-03-31, 05:03 PM

It does seem like she does.

Also, thanks everyone. Looking over what you showed of Remi did help me sort out what I feel about her and I think my conclusion is that she's a character with a lot of potential that the fanbase isn't using well. So I know the general direction I'd take if I were to RP as her or write a story for her and certainly think that would make her appealing, but as it is I'm still not too fond of most fan portrayals. Some of the ones linked were still really good, though. I found the Reisen vs. Remilia doujin pretty hilarious in that ridiculous, mindless Hellsing kind of way, even if I wonder what was up with Reisen's ears.

Miscast_Mage

2011-03-31, 05:16 PM

@ElfieFlare: What queen doesn't like her throne? :smallwink:

And as long as I can actually see my stats and what they do, I guess I'll be fine. One the things that bugs me to no end is when in videogames I'm given the choice between option A and option B without any indication of the mechanical differences between them. Arghle.

@Terraoblivion: Yeah, Remi's one of my more liked characters, so it's annoying that the moe-blob type Remi is more apparant in the fandom. Personally I loved Eirin and Sakuya in that doujin, simply because you rarely see portrayals of Eirin like that(or anything other than "Lol experimenting tiem"), and Sakuya deserves portrayals fitting her title of Perfect and Elegant Maid.

EifieFlare

2011-03-31, 05:39 PM

And as long as I can actually see my stats and what they do, I guess I'll be fine. One the things that bugs me to no end is when in videogames I'm given the choice between option A and option B without any indication of the mechanical differences between them. Arghle.

Not sure how recent the last game you played was, but take note that since this is based on FireRed/LeafGreen, the attacking stats still follow the old category split. If you don't remember, here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Types) is something to refresh your memory. (In that box listing all of the types, the left column is physical, judged by Attack, and the right is special, judged by Special Attack.) Also take note that the game also has changes for moves; some no longer exist, some did not exist in the originals, and some are just renamed versions of pre-existing moves.

If my interpretation of the last part is correct, I believe there are one or two parts where that happens. Off the top of my head, I can name picking a fossil and choosing one of a pair in Saffron; neither choice is likely to affect your game, seeing as by the time you can actually access either of them, you're likely to already have a dedicated party. Another thing that personally annoyed me was the huge number of branching evolution paths, some of which aren't immediately obtainable.

FantasyFoxMan

2011-04-01, 05:44 AM

Dammit, all this talk of Touhoumon makes me want to replay the current one. Maybe I'll use Nazrin or Nitori...

At one point, I attempted to edit the Touhoumon section of the Touhou Wikia page to include the new things from 1.8. I had gotten a box going that had the strengths and weaknesses of all the new types, and then someone had to come along and "rearrange" the order of them, effectively ruining what work I had already done. I hate it when people think they're helping when they aren't. :smallannoyed:

Come to think of it, I hadn't touched that page since the edit. I'm wondering if it's been fixed at all... I'll be sad if it hasn't. :I

Drascin

2011-04-01, 05:47 AM

@Terraoblivion: Yeah, Remi's one of my more liked characters, so it's annoying that the moe-blob type Remi is more apparant in the fandom. Personally I loved Eirin and Sakuya in that doujin, simply because you rarely see portrayals of Eirin like that(or anything other than "Lol experimenting tiem"), and Sakuya deserves portrayals fitting her title of Perfect and Elegant Maid.

As a fan of both Remi and Byakuren, I feel your pain, man. Sometimes this fandom makes me facepalm :smallsigh:

kamikasei

2011-04-01, 05:49 AM

Some of the ones linked were still really good, though. I found the Reisen vs. Remilia doujin pretty hilarious in that ridiculous, mindless Hellsing kind of way, even if I wonder what was up with Reisen's ears.
I - what

Now I have to check those links...

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-01, 06:11 AM

As a fan of both Remi and Byakuren, I feel your pain, man. Sometimes this fandom makes me facepalm :smallsigh:

Sturgeon's Law, Drascin. Nothing is safe from it. But I can't really count any portrayals of Byakuren as anything other than a saintly monk, apart from the odd "Namusan!" joke. She really doesn't get it as bad as others. And speaking of said joke... (http://littleshrimp.deviantart.com/art/We-re-In-The-Club-Now-162865275)(Littleshrimp's work have an 80% what. consistancy, therefore, he's immune from any canon personality.)

@Kaimasei: Doooo iiiiit. And check out the artists gallery, while you're at it. Everyone he and/or she draws is charismatic.

Jm2c

2011-04-01, 05:36 PM

kamikasei

2011-04-01, 06:40 PM

@Kaimasei: Doooo iiiiit. And check out the artists gallery, while you're at it. Everyone he and/or she draws is charismatic.
Okay seriously what was with those ears.

What.

EifieFlare

2011-04-01, 09:22 PM

(Littleshrimp's work have an 80% what. consistancy, therefore, he's immune from any canon personality.)

And the one that you posted is already one of the more "sensible" ones as it is, being a parody. Some of the others are just pure What. with nothing else, in my opinion, but that's arguably what the appeal is for most people. Good artist for laughs though.

Volatar

2011-04-02, 03:29 PM

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-02, 05:54 PM

Just played Hisoutensoku netplay with a friend using Tunngle and Skype. Man was that fun and crazy. He was far better than me, and could beat me playing anyone when he played Remilia.

So, we evened the playing field by both hitting random.

So much fun and hilarity.

*Suddenly shoots laser beam* "Woah, that was awesome, how did you do that?" "I have no idea. I was just mashing buttons."

This. This is what I love about fighting games. Damn, I really need to get into Hisoutensoku. Maybe during the summer when I don't have a pile of projects to work through.:smallsigh:

Cogwheel

2011-04-02, 05:59 PM

Netplay, you say?

Excuse me while I seethe with envy.

Rolaran

2011-04-02, 06:41 PM

Hey, look what I found (http://www.kongregate.com/games/kupo707/bullet-heaven).

It's a flash danmaku which pretty clearly draws inspiration from the Touhou series. Not all that difficult, but if you, like me, are going nuts waiting for the Touhou 13 demo, this might help scratch that particular itch.

dgnslyr

2011-04-02, 11:19 PM

Well, that was pretty fun. I still feel a twinge of shame at having to upgrade Health.

Volatar

2011-04-02, 11:25 PM

Netplay, you say?

Excuse me while I seethe with envy.

Have you tried Tunngle?

Cogwheel

2011-04-02, 11:44 PM

Have you tried Tunngle?

Tried what now?

As I understand it, netplay makes Hisoutensoku lag horribly if you play across any sort of significant distance.

Volatar

2011-04-02, 11:47 PM

Tried what now?

As I understand it, netplay makes Hisoutensoku lag horribly if you play across any sort of significant distance.

It's like Hamachi but specifically for gaming. My pings have always been great with it. It's worth a try :)

Cogwheel

2011-04-03, 03:35 AM

It's like Hamachi but specifically for gaming. My pings have always been great with it. It's worth a try :)

I've started it, got an account, and seen a huge list of irrelevant lobbies. My mind is full of boggle.

Help?

Cogwheel

2011-04-03, 07:39 AM

Never mind!

I got it working and, while Tunngle is temperamental at first, it's pretty flawless after that, as far as the lag side of things goes.

The bad news is that thanks to KBF, Remilia now terrifies me. As does every other character, really. He's scarily good at this.

Volatar

2011-04-03, 09:08 AM

Yay! I have got to catch you online sometime soon then Cog. I suck though :)

Cogwheel

2011-04-03, 09:33 AM

Yay! I have got to catch you online sometime soon then Cog. I suck though :)

'Sokay, so do I. KBF crushed any sort of delusions of skill I might have held.

EifieFlare

2011-04-03, 03:43 PM

I am now very intrigued in this new Netplay tool. Once I get it working, anyone up for a few games either today or tomorrow since I have some free time? I will do my best to not crush any sort of delusions of skill.

Of course, with how inept I am with technology, expect me to end up spending said free time figuring out how to make this work...

Volatar

2011-04-03, 03:58 PM

I'll be around tomorrow and might be able to walk you through it.

Alternatively I could make a video guide.

EifieFlare

2011-04-03, 04:06 PM

Well, just a quick question, since I might as well spend some time now. What version should I get? The first result Google gave me is "4.3.2.0 Beta;" I'm not sure if different versions will be incompatible.

Volatar

2011-04-03, 04:16 PM

Get whatever version you find on Tunngle.com. It won't let you log in unless you are running the latest version anyways.

EifieFlare

2011-04-03, 04:29 PM

That was simple enough. I think I've got it working now; I got in the lobby for Hisoutensoku without any problems anyway.

Although I'm surprised at one thing. There's a server for Shoot the Bullet...why exactly? :smallconfused:

KBF

2011-04-03, 08:01 PM

kbf is scary

But I..

I had forgotten all my combos..

And my scarier Remi tricks.. Your Suika was able to beat my Remilia down pretty hard most of our matches when it came down to that..

Cogwheel

2011-04-03, 08:13 PM

But I..

I had forgotten all my combos..

And my scarier Remi tricks.. Your Suika was able to beat my Remilia down pretty hard most of our matches when it came down to that..

And you were still terrifying.

Also, Suika is kinda overpowered, so it doesn't count.

KBF

2011-04-06, 05:38 AM

It seems to me we have some number of players, but not a lot of variety in the games happening, as well as some people who generally haven't gotten involved in any netplay. How droll. I've started a Steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123) to help keep in touch and find games, in the effort of building a playerbase. Related:

Opening registration for a 12.3 Ranbat

Format pending on number of entrants.

Games are played best of 3 sets.

When registering for the tournament please register what character you will use in the first round; you must always use this character in the first round. At the end of a set who ever lost is allowed to change characters for the next set. This is to prevent unfair counter picking first round, and to make character selection simpler in general.

Sanctioned matches must have at least one other registered player watching as a referee, make sure to save replays in case of contested matches. If you feel the ref was biased or otherwise a case of an unfair ref send a PM and the replays.

Games will be played over Tunngle (Tunngle.net) using the Touhou Hisoutensoku lobby.

To register, please send a PM with the following details:

Profile Name:
Tunngle Username:
Registered Character:

The ranbats will be kept up to date on the Hisoutensoku Steam Group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123)'s main page.

Deadline for registration will be on April 12th, just as the clock strikes midnight PST.

Cogwheel

2011-04-06, 08:46 AM

PM sent, I look forward to my inevitable horrible death.

Seraphian

2011-04-06, 09:38 AM

I guess I'm in. Friend of Volatar's here.

Cogwheel

2011-04-06, 09:40 AM

I guess I'm in. Friend of Volatar's here.

Words to the effect of yay.

NEW SACRIFICES.

Volatar

2011-04-06, 10:18 AM

I signed up :) Excited to go up against people who might just happen to be closer to my skill level, rather than a thousand levels above me. :smalltongue:

Cogwheel

2011-04-06, 10:27 AM

I signed up :) Excited to go up against people who might just happen to be closer to my skill level, rather than a thousand levels above me. :smalltongue:

Likewise, though I'll probably still get slaughtered.

EifieFlare

2011-04-06, 11:58 AM

Drizvolta

2011-04-06, 04:37 PM

Volatar

2011-04-06, 05:16 PM

*Grumble Grumble* Well, I guess dispite the incomprihensible jargon, and knowing just how good some of these players are, I'll sign up too.

Edit: Apparently KBF is also forcing me to provide livestreamed commentary, dispite me not speaking any fighting game jargon, and barely knowing what things like 26C mean.

Yes, I know it has something to do with movement on the numberpad, but I don't have a numberpad on my laptop.

Jargon? What Jargon? This game is very simple. All you have to do is mash buttons until you so something cool, then attempt to repeat that series of mashing. The whole point of the game is to mash buttons faster than your opponent.

At least, thats what it seems to be about to me.

This is only partially true.

Drizvolta

2011-04-06, 05:33 PM

I dunno, I think it's about trying to spam more spell cards than the other guy.

Not that I don't find it fun :P

Volatar

2011-04-06, 05:37 PM

Spell Cards? Is that what those things on the bottom of the screen are?

It took me forever to make the connection that sometimes when I press D on the keyboard I do something cool and all those cards disappear. Still not sure exactly how that works. Since it seems to be connected to doing cool things I should probably look at the wiki or something, but I am too lazy.

EifieFlare

2011-04-06, 05:41 PM

Edit: Apparently KBF is also forcing me to provide livestreamed commentary, dispite me not speaking any fighting game jargon, and barely knowing what things like 26C mean.

Yes, I know it has something to do with movement on the numberpad, but I don't have a numberpad on my laptop.

Well you could just imagine a numberpad. In arrow keys, it translates to...

7 = left (away) + up 8 = up 9 = up + right (forward)
4 = left (away) 5 = stationary 6 = right (forward)
1 = left (away) + down 2 = down 3 = down + right (forward)

If you're facing the other way (in this case, left), the inputs are similarly reversed. So 623 would turn into 421, but you would still say 623. Alternatively, assuming the audience is familiar with Street Fighter, say things like "Hadouken" and "Shoryuken" like the wiki does. The inputs are pretty common in fighting games it seems. Or just say the actual names of special moves. "AND YOUMU JUST DID A NETHERWORLD REFLECTION SLASH TO COUNTER SAKUYA'S MAGIC STAR SWORD!"

Edit: Happy now Volatar? :smalltongue:
Edit edit: Never mind. Apparently multiple spaces don't display properly. This saddens me.

Volatar

2011-04-06, 05:59 PM

Formatted like that is confusing. A pictures says a thousand words.

http://www.actualtools.com/images/Numpad.gif

I would be up for joining in on commentary by the way :smallsmile:

Cogwheel

2011-04-06, 06:17 PM

I think I'll sign up for this too. That is, if there's no objection from the people who have already seen me play. :smalltongue:

When exactly is it, or is it going to be at the players' convenience? And what does "Ranbat" mean? (Random battle?)

Ranked battle.

I've got a guide on the way, by the by. Should rope in those new to Hisoutensoku or the series in general, with any luck. You know, to the glorious duels of magically-enhanced facepunchery.

Edit: Assuming KBF doesn't deem it terrible.

People registered for this who scare and will probably trounce me so far: Eifie, KBF, Drizvolta. Getting ready to lose repeatedly and horribly. For now, I'm up for matches whenever.

EifieFlare

2011-04-06, 06:29 PM

People registered for this who scare and will probably trounce me so far: Eifie, KBF, Drizvolta. Getting ready to lose repeatedly and horribly. For now, I'm up for matches whenever.

I'm up for a couple matches (like always). I'm guessing we'll be on Tunngle?

Rolaran

2011-04-06, 06:39 PM

I've got Tunngle installed, I just joined the group, I'm up for either setting up a game with someone, or providing color commentary. The one catch: I rarely use multiplayer on anything, so I have no idea how to do either. So expect me to be flying by the seat of my pants, technology-wise.

Volatar

2011-04-06, 07:10 PM

Drizvolta

2011-04-06, 09:09 PM

People registered for this who scare and will probably trounce me so far: Eifie, KBF, Drizvolta. Getting ready to lose repeatedly and horribly. For now, I'm up for matches whenever.

Drizvolta

Ahahahaha, you overestimate my ability to mash heavy bullets and win.

Eifie

But be afraid of him though.

EifieFlare

2011-04-06, 09:26 PM

But be afraid of him though.

Eh, he knows how I play now. Not to mention that he did win a couple times. Even when Suika takes it easy in melee combat, it still hurts.

In other news, I've noticed something recently. When it comes to characters and music, I tend to not like (read as: have no interest towards) one or the other.

For instance, I like Flandre, but I think her theme is probably the most overused thing in the series. For Youmu or Ran, I feel that their themes are nothing special. On the other hand, I love Broken Moon/Foregathering Dream, but I'm not too fond of Suika. Same goes for Lullaby of Deserted Hell. And then songs/characters that I moderately like are associated with characters/songs that I moderately like.

Cogwheel

2011-04-06, 09:35 PM

Eh, he knows how I play now.

Terrifyingly well, you mean? Because that's what I saw.

KBF

2011-04-06, 10:45 PM

Deadline for registration will be on April 12th, just as the clock strikes midnight PST. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10715531&postcount=96)

(The following is written for those unfamiliar with Touhou, Hisoutensoku or both).

Touhou Hisoutensoku

So what's this Touhou thing anyway?

Best if you look here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191793), then ask if you're still confused. Bottom line, a fantasy bullet hell (exceptionally vicious vertical shooter) series with fighting game spinoffs, loosely based on Japanese mythology. Well, except for the vampires, anyway. A rather good indie series, which can be summed up as "weird, but not in a bad way".

The best part of all this is that you don't need to know anything about the series to punch people over the internet.

What about Hisoutensoku, then?

Hisoutensoku is an expansion pack to the previous fighting game, Touhou Hisouten. It contains characters from games six through eleven (for those new to the series, the first five were pretty much retconned out of existence), numbering twenty in all. A 2D sprite fighter, with quite a few things to recommend it, assuming the initial wall of strangeness the series comes with doesn't scare you off.

What makes Hisoutensoku special?

Gameplay here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J07CP5ZPQAE).

Many, many things. In fact, you'd be better off leaving everything you know about fighting games at the door. That also means fighting game beginners and veterans alike can join in just as easily. A few points of difference include projectile-heavy combat, unique mechanics for quite a few characters, flight, and a deck system.

Yes, decks, in a fighting game. You build your deck from twenty cards - a mix of spell cards (flashy super moves), skill cards (change/power up your moveset in mid-battle) and system cards (non-character-specific minor support stuff).

Finally, there's weather. Basically, cycling effects which change the battle in various ways. You can't turn this off, but you'll learn to deal with it. In short, this is not your average fighting game.

A few other points to recommend it: Hisoutensoku is reasonably beginner-friendly, in that inputs aren't terribly complex, you start at about the same level as anyone else regardless of genre experience, and there's a character for everyone. Several, most likely, and none are boring or generic. Most of all, if you're new to fighting games, don't let that scare you off. And yes, combat is suitably flashy too.

What sort of characters can we expect?

I'm glad you asked, sock puppet! (I have no audience, work with me here).

Reimu Hakurei

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Reimu.png

Reimu is the protagonist, a Shinto priestess of sorts. She's got an even mix of everything, plus a few barrier and teleport moves. Should not actually be confused with a vanilla character in any way, as all the game's characters are weird and distinct.

Theme: Maiden's Capriccio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRelf7LkH2s)

Marisa Kirisame

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Marisa.png

Marisa is a witch, the other protagonist, a thief, and the closest thing the setting has to a normal person. She does not believe in subtlety, so expect lots of stars, lasers, explosions and ramming people while on a broomstick. Fairly aggressive.

Theme (in Hisoutensoku): Casket of Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChyDsb-oTJE)

Sakuya Izayoi

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Sakuya.png

Sakuya is a maid for Remilia Scarlet, a vampire shown later on. She can stop time, throw vast numbers of knives, and no, I don't know why she still works for anyone. Sakuya is an aggressive character specializing in covering the field with bullets over outright damage, and draws cards very quickly.

Theme: Luna Dial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXHWzpE4Dc), Flowering Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7AVGuAhn8k).

Remilia Scarlet

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Remilia.png

A five-century old vampire, who has no intention of looking the part. Remilia has some nice ranged attacks, but is best at melee, especially at closing in/getting past bullets. Once there, she can maul pretty much anyone, and is fairly good in the air too. If you prefer a slightly slower game, she also has a variety of health drain options. Remilia also teleports instead of dashing.

Theme: Septette for the Dead Princess (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKbKOC2QNgg), remix thereof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UHrkLINE0U&feature=related).

Patchouli Knowledge

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Patchouli.png

Patchouli is Remilia's friend and librarian, who has no business being in a fighting game, as she's asthmatic/near-sighted/anemic. She does, however, have the best ranged attacks in the game, and some rather good spell cards. Her melee is good for its purpose - it might not deal much damage (or maybe it does, that seems to be a matter of opinion), but it certainly will get them out of your face very quickly. Patchouli is also quite slow.

Theme: Locked Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rda4JOvYNI)

Hong Meiling

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Meiling.png

Rounding out Team Vampire, we have the gate guard to Remilia's mansion, Meiling. She's technically a melee character, since she has very poor projectiles, but unless you have a good grasp of combos, you can expect to get out-meleed by a good few characters. She does, however, become quite powerful in the right hands.

Theme: Chinese Tea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tax__hIPAF4) (the one that got remixed for Hisoutensoku, at any rate).

Alice Margatroid

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Alice.png

Alice is a hermit magician, specializing in dolls. If you've played Continuum Shift, I'm told she's similar to Mu-12. To everyone else, she throws a fair few dolls around, using them to attack from multiple angles at once while still moving around herself. Dolls can also be set into position, then activated to attack anyone near them, acting as a trap of sorts. She isn't weak by any stretch of imagination, but she's certainly difficult to get used to. Additionally, her close range melee is terrible, though it gets better if you back off a bit.

Theme: Doll Judgment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVwstM4vZC8), Dollmaker of Bucuresti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sNsQdixLoA).

Shameimaru Aya

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Aya.png

Tabloid writer, tengu, and general nuisance, Aya is the fastest character in the game. She has good reversals, strong melee, excellent air mobility, and can keep up pressure... yes, there's a catch. Aya's bullets are both easily canceled by other bullets, and follow incredibly strange trajectories in most cases, so they're of little use outside of combos. She also has an instant air dash, making her rather good at evasion.

Theme: Wind God Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmlXXPVxQ3Q)

Yukari Yakumo

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Yukari.png

Yukari is...

There's no real good way to put it, Yukari is the series's benign (if vaguely troll-ish), lazy eldritch horror. She has good anti-air, some very fun moves, good chip damage (read: damage that gets through even when blocked), and generally has a fairly good pressuring offense. There are also some "wait, what?" moves in there, like, say, summoning a train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg0mO0rZSto). Oh, and she can teleport from one edge of the screen to the other.

Theme: Necrofantasia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=195XntreoMc), Evening Star (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3xMfbu6MzU).

Onozuka Komachi

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Komachi.png

Yes, this game's power level is ridiculous enough that you can actually play Death herself. Well, a reaper, anyway, as well as the Charon-equivalent. Komachi can play one of two ways: Summon lots of wisps to clog up the screen, then detonate them, maybe with a bit of health drain for a control-based match, or just mauling your opponent with powerful melee moves, possibly forcing them to move into your wisps. The downside is that Komachi is rather slow.

Theme: Riverside View (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaRWZhDhnqw)

Moriya Suwako

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Suwako.png

A goddess of the mountains, rivers, curses, and frogs. No, she is not sane, the hat should tell you that much.

Suwako is the resident incomprehensible character, incredibly confusing to both player and opponent. Her crouch makes her taller, she flaps instead of flying, some moves can only be used in the air/underground/while crouching, she dashes through the ground rather than over it, and so on. Get past that, and she has some very good skills/spellcards, with a particularly nice projectile selection. Sadly, her movement and flight make her rather vulnerable.

Theme: Native Faith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7dLp2Eb7cg)

Hinanai Tenshi

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Tenshi.png

Celestial, but not actually a nice person. Generally uses a sword, rocks, earthquakes and red lasers. She has some good projectiles, decent stun on a few of those, and a good deal of utility cards. That said, her melee and some projectiles are a bit tricky, and take some getting used to. Take the Wiki's word for this, since I have no idea about Tenshi.

Theme: Catastrophe in Bhava-Agra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR_4Xubds7w)

Iku Nagae

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Iku.png

Tenshi's babysitter, of sorts. Iku is the slowest character in the game, and in spite of some nice, varied movesets, suffers from a good few defensive flaws, as well as slow flight, easily destroyed bullets, and so on. She is, on the flipside, a powerhouse and capable of fighting in any weather, but when all's said and done, she's a character of extremes. The trick is in building a deck that makes up for her weaknesses.

Also, she fires lightning and can turn her sleeve into a giant drill.

Theme: Crimson in the Black Sea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi_wxBoHg0E).

Reisen Udongein Inaba

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Reisen.png

No, seriously, just call her Reisen. For your sanity's sake.

Reisen has a good few lasers, bullets and other such projectiles, but really, that's not the point. She's a character of utility and mindgames. Ever wanted to disappear, clone yourself briefly three times, make decoys, briefly phase out of existence to dash through an opponent, poison your opponent, or destroy cards in their hand?

Reisen can do that. All of it. She also has a nice powerup card, but requires fancy combos to deal big damage, relies fairly heavily on skillcards, runs slowly, has rather linear bullets, and has slightly short melee range. Still a fun character.

Theme: Invisible Full Moon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOPvxcxaWsc)

Kochiya Sanae

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Sanae.png

A priestess to both Suwako and another goddess, who only appears in Sanae's moves, as well as being a goddess herself. Sanae is an interesting character, capable of moving projectiles around by means of wind (BlazBlue players, think Rachel but better), as well as summoning her two goddesses. She can set traps and shields, fire powerful projectiles, and fly around almost as well as Aya. The catch is that she has, bar none, the worst melee in the game. If you want to win, you'll have to be patient and wait for your opponent to make mistakes.

Theme: Faith is for the Transient People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE-nQJ_eXcg).

Yuyuko Saigyouji

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Yuyuko.png

Yuyuko is a ghost. The queen of the Netherworld, in fact. She has powerful, hard-hitting moves, both at range and close up. However, she's a little on the slow side, and lacks any defensive moves, as well as having some rather awful air attacks. That said, she's still one of the game's most powerful characters.

Theme: Border of Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emEXyfATSo8) (do yourself a favour and listen to the original version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zis2TtxdFjQ)).

Youmu Konpaku

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Youmu.png

Youmu is Yuyuko's gardener. That's why she carries two huge swords, you see. For gardening. She's also a half-ghost, don't ask me how that works.

She has very, very little in the way of projectiles, but can control a semi-independent wisp (her ghost half). She's primarily a melee character, with incredible speed and a small hitbox, along with very high damage. She also has a move that reflects projectiles quite handily, but suffers for her lack of good projectiles, and needing to approach the opponent to get anything done. She also has terrible flight.

Theme: Till When (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Vdlix-ys8) (and original (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi_ZC_Hyhmo))

Cirno

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Cirno.png

An ice fairy with delusions of grandeur (and intelligence). Cirno has a tiny hitbox, and can float. She's mobile, evasive, and well-suited for combos, as well as setting up attacks against knocked down characters, ensuring that they get hit when waking up. The catch is that her melee is either fast with pitiful range, or long-ranged with a fair bit of charging time. She's not much good at dealing large damage, has impossibly fragile bullets, and her projectiles, for better or worse, have rather strange trajectories (generally good, unlike Aya).

Theme: Original (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1BhwqX29w) and remix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cL47vm4Pyc).

Suika Ibuki

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Suika.png

Suika is an oni. Specifically, one which has, as you can see here, not been sober in the past few centuries. She's quite fast, hits incredibly hard in melee or at range, and has very fast/dense bullets. She's agile in flight, and can dash backwards just as well as forward. She also has some rather good spell cards. The catch is that she can only deal good damage at certain ranges, and her moves tend to leave her open for quite a while, should you miss.

Theme: Broken Moon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGlt8rLwWzQ), Onigashima in Fairyland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gP3J--2-HA&feature=related).

Ursuho Reiuji

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Crawlscreens/Hisoutensoku/Utsuho.png

Utsuho is a crow youkai (read: monster) who gained power over nuclear fusion after eating a sun god. Yes, that actually happened.

Utsuho has fairly poor air and ground movement. The good news? Ridiculously powerful/near-unbreakable projectiles, hits like a freight train in melee, and thanks to her ranged attacks, can basically carry the battle on her own terms. The catch is that, once again, she's slow, a bit unwieldy, and you need to know when to go on the defensive. To make up for this, she has some truly ridiculous spell cards to her name. Utsuho is probably the closest the game has to a slow powerhouse character.

Theme: Nuclear Fusion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWDUCyo23I0).

Giant Catfish

http://images.wikia.com/touhou/images/e/ef/Unl_st_catfish_05.PNG

He's not playable, sorry.

Additional material: Hisoutensoku 1.10 patch (http://www.koumakan.jp/games/th123_update_110.exe), a save file (http://koumakan.jp/games/score123.dat) with every character and card, a translation patch (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/English_translation), and a link to the wiki (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Main_Page). Oh, and Tunngle (http://www.tunngle.net/), which you'll need for the netplay unless you like stop-motion levels of lag.

If you're interested in getting started, or have any questions, PM KBF or Cogwheel.

For beginners

Start slow, on the lower difficulties. Experiment with different deck builds in practice/computer vs mode. Easier characters to play include Patchouli, Remilia, Suika, Reimu, Marisa and Sakuya. Meiling, Suwako, Alice and possibly Yukari, on the other hand, are tricky to play, either slightly (Meiling, Yukari) or horribly (Suwako, Alice). Still, try them all out and see which one fits you best, these are just general suggestions.

-Courtesy of Cog.

Cogwheel

2011-04-06, 10:58 PM

Broken images are being fixed now.

Terraoblivion

2011-04-07, 03:57 AM

Even though the only Touhou-related thing is the Keine in the upper left, I'll just leave this (http://spacecoyote.deviantart.com/art/One-Hundred-Smiles-for-Japan-203903663) here.

Kamiye

2011-04-07, 12:10 PM

I've sent a message... I can play with you and thanks Cogwheel for show me this tournament.

I don't know if I must introduce my self so sorry if shoul and I do it in a sec...

Penguinizer

2011-04-07, 12:11 PM

hmm. Odd I couldn't get the English translation patches to work. Lightly bothersome.

Drizvolta

2011-04-07, 12:13 PM

hmm. Odd I couldn't get the English translation patches to work. Lightly bothersome.

You need to remember to patch the Game to 1.10 before installing the english patch.

Penguinizer

2011-04-07, 12:24 PM

I managed to install the patch in the wrong folder. That explains why. :smallredface:

Also, having the controls in the profile is getting really annoying. I have to switch between controls ingame and in the menu.

Jm2c

2011-04-07, 01:16 PM

Rolaran

2011-04-07, 03:36 PM

I'd love to register to that, but I don't think I can cram a tournament into my schedule. I'm having enough of a time juggling uni and my PbP games without dropping a game at the moment.
I'd love to peek in on a game or two, though.

More or less in exactly the same shape schedule-wise, plus based on the experience yesterday, I'd like to find out why my computer causes the server to get a visit from the lag fairy before I entered a tourney. (Don't get me wrong, it was still loads of fun, but I don't think anyone plays at their best in stop-motion.)

On a slightly different (but still on-topic) note, sometime in the last thread, someone posted an animated image of a Yukari cosplayer performing a real-life train summon. I forgot to save it, and now I can't find it. Did anyone happen to save it?

memnarch

2011-04-07, 03:40 PM

http://safebooru.org//images/124/52e53338ac91ba1951e915240b08d1d0db23a8ee.gif?12390 3

Cogwheel

2011-04-07, 05:19 PM

I've sent a message... I can play with you and thanks Cogwheel for show me this tournament.

I don't know if I must introduce my self so sorry if shoul and I do it in a sec...

Well, I can give the short explanation/introduction.

I've taken up kidnapping people off the Tunngle lobby. So yes, say hi to yet another player :smalltongue:

...And also the only Iku player in the world, I think. Well, not main Iku as such, just good-enough-to-lightning-me-to-death Iku.

hmm. Odd I couldn't get the English translation patches to work. Lightly bothersome.

Do you have Hisoutensoku patched to 1.10?

Penguinizer

2011-04-07, 05:46 PM

I did get them to work. Anyways, one thing that annoys me. It seems there's only a very small portion of time you can hit enemies after wall and ground pounces. It's bothersome.

Also I keep on doing DPs when I want fireballs and the other way around. Bothersome.

FantasyFoxMan

2011-04-07, 07:30 PM

So I finally found out what happened to my Type Chart that I made for Touhoumon 1.8 at the Touhou Wikia page.

Turns out after that one guy rearranged all the types, someone else thankfully came along and fixed all the weaknesses/resistances, taken from the information in the Japanese Touhoumon Wiki. :smalltongue:

Prime32

2011-04-08, 11:45 AM

I seem to recall...

If anything, I'd rather wait until a Youmu one comes out. Of course, to any of the avatar makers, don't feel obligated to make one.http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/youmu.png
:smalltongue:

(since the last time I posted I've also done Alice, Ran and Sanae (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5345250))

memnarch

2011-04-08, 12:41 PM

Wow, that one is a lot nicer than the Youmu I made.

Terraoblivion

2011-04-08, 12:56 PM

Curse you, Prime. Stop tempting me to switch avatar again! I mean I'm quite tempted to go for Sakuya, Yuyuko, Ran or Sanae among the Touhou avatars and Saber or Hayate wouldn't be bad either. For that matter I feel a certain amount of temptation to go for Alice for some reason I'm not quite certain of.

Prime32

2011-04-08, 01:05 PM

Curse you, Prime.*spins to deflect curse* (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpinToDeflectStuff)

Assassin89

2011-04-08, 01:45 PM

*spins to deflect curse* (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpinToDeflectStuff)

Couldn't you just have Hina do the spinning for you, or at least have her absorb the curse? Also looking at your Cirno avatar, I'm going to have to give mine an upgrade.

EifieFlare

2011-04-08, 04:30 PM

I seem to recall...
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/youmu.png
:smalltongue:

Hey, neat! Thanks a lot! (Although I had actually forgotten about that a while ago... :smallredface:)

Prime32

2011-04-08, 04:35 PM

Hey, neat! Thanks a lot! (Although I had actually forgotten about that a while ago... :smallredface:)To be fair, while I remembered that someone had been talking about a Youmu av, I had to check who. :smalltongue:

Penguinizer

2011-04-08, 05:19 PM

Is it just me or did Sakuya get nerfed from IaMP? She lacks the dash overhead. He projectiles can't beat anything and her Bounce/No Bounce barely covers anything anymore. Bothersome.

Cogwheel

2011-04-08, 05:28 PM

Is it just me or did Sakuya get nerfed from IaMP? She lacks the dash overhead. He projectiles can't beat anything and her Bounce/No Bounce barely covers anything anymore. Bothersome.

Honestly, the games are different enough that you might as well say she got nerfed from PCB. That said, her C projectiles are still quite hard to beat, and she goes for quantity over quality, as well as angles. Basically, bullets will be everywhere. Still seems like a fairly solid character to me, but then, I barely remember IaMP.

EifieFlare

2011-04-08, 05:57 PM

Is it just me or did Sakuya get nerfed from IaMP? She lacks the dash overhead. He projectiles can't beat anything and her Bounce/No Bounce barely covers anything anymore. Bothersome.

Like Cog said, IaMP and SWR/Soku are rather drastically different. But in any case, Sakuya is widely considered one of the better characters in both games.

Not sure about IaMP, but the point of Sakuya's projectiles in Soku is for control of what's in front of her, as well as putting pressure on opponents trapped in a corner. As you've found, they aren't exactly meant for long-distance bullet trading. Bounce No-Bounce B is decent for putting up a cover so that opponents can't simply run/fly in. When you say it barely covers anything, if you mean distance-wise how far it travels is dependant on how far apart you two are. Usage-wise, you're probably better off using other shots for offense.

Edit: Speaking of which, I'm up for games right now, if anyone's interested.

Drizvolta

2011-04-09, 05:21 PM

Frontier Aja have just released the patch for English and French dialog for Touhouvainia 2.

Translated Main Page (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://aja-games.com/products_koumajou_2/download_patch.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfrontier%2Baja%26hl%3Den%26client%3Df irefox-a%26hs%3Dyz1%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.ca&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgBCWgCt33BUxIK1wuXw8O-3Jnmcw)

Prime32

2011-04-09, 07:07 PM

And now for something partially different.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/mashaanim.gif

memnarch

2011-04-09, 07:48 PM

Oh hello Masha. (http://dizzy.pestermom.com/?p=csa01marisa0190)

Drizvolta

2011-04-09, 08:49 PM

And now for something partially different.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/mashaanim.gif

Masha is not balanced for Tourney play!

Rolaran

2011-04-09, 09:00 PM

Looks like she's taking flying lessons from Suwako...

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb209/redninja4/Touhou/1250444476014.gif"Take your arms and reach out to either side! Make sure you extend them all the way! Then follow through with your entire arm! Don't just wave them like a cat drowning in a puddle! Air resistance is huge! Everything will be decided by how much strength you put into this motion! Flap as if your life depended on it!"

EifieFlare

2011-04-09, 09:01 PM

Oh hello Masha. (http://dizzy.pestermom.com/?p=csa01marisa0190)

Oh that's who that's supposed to be. From the animation, I thought it was Suwako who got taken over by a mushroom ala Parasect.

memnarch

2011-04-09, 10:27 PM

So, I just found Hisoutensoku. Any recommendations on how to get better and how to build a decent deck?

KBF

2011-04-09, 11:12 PM

So, I just found Hisoutensoku. Any recommendations on how to get better and how to build a decent deck?

Practice, practice, practice! Practice how to do special moves, practice against the computer in arcade, others, practice various cards, and practice against others! Well, really, most of that is just play.

FAQ link is in my signature, thank you Cog! There's probably some helpful things in there.

Masha is not balanced for Tourney play!

I'm tired of hearing complaints! Masha is just the next stage of the metagame, and is easily counter-able! With Suwako. During Typhoon.

EifieFlare

2011-04-09, 11:29 PM

So, I just found Hisoutensoku. Any recommendations on how to get better and how to build a decent deck?

And in addition to that FAQ, here (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/) is a link to the Wiki. If you haven't already, I suggest upgrading your game to the latest version (1.10) since there are several significant changes to gameplay mechanics, and also get the "Unlock Everything" data file to...unlock everything. :smallbiggrin:

And if you ever want to play a few games with us, get Tunngle (http://tunngle.en.softonic.com/download) for all of your Netplaying needs. That should be the most recent version; if there's any trouble with setting up, I'm sure someone can help.

Edit: Y'know, I probably should've read through that FAQ. Turns out it has all those links already on it. Teehee. :smallredface: Feel free to ask us for our own opinions though, as we've already had some experience with what does what in the game.

Cogwheel

2011-04-10, 02:02 AM

Edit: Y'know, I probably should've read through that FAQ. Turns out it has all those links already on it. Teehee. :smallredface:

I am the bestest helper.

FAQ link is in my signature, thank you Cog! There's probably some helpful things in there.

Honestly it's more for getting people to play the game and explaining, roughly, what it's like/what you can expect for each character.

I should probably get to writing a quickstart guide that's actually helpful for anyone new to the game.

Prime32

2011-04-10, 04:55 AM

Masha is not balanced for Tourney play!Someone needs to make a Masha char in MUGEN. The moveset shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

Cogwheel

2011-04-10, 07:11 AM

Beginner's guide to Hisoutensoku

If you've just started Hisoutensoku, you're probably rather confused. Well, that's fine. If nothing else, it's a very different game. With any luck, this guide will help. I'm going to start with the most basic stuff (setting the game up), and move on to some slightly higher-end stuff.

Setup

First of all, assuming you have SWR as well, go to Configex123.ini in your Hisoutensoku folder. Find "th105" in there and, under it, a path. After "path=", paste in the path to the folder containing th105.exe. You now have all twenty characters available, rather than just nine. You will also want a save file from here (http://koumakan.jp/games/score123.dat), which will unlock all characters (assuming you did the path change) and give you as many as you need of every card.

While you're at it, bring a gamepad, if you have one. A wired 360 or almost any USB gamepad gets the job done. A keyboard works too, just not quite as well, though it's hardly crippling. Remap the keys/buttons as you see fit.

Basics

By default, on a keyboard, Z is confirm/melee, X is cancel/weak projectile, and C is random/strong projectile. D and a direction (or two taps of the arrow key) to dash/fly, A to cycle cards, and S to use cards.

Now, when I discuss moves later, there will be some jargon. First off, when I mention directions, you can look at this (http://www.actualtools.com/images/Numpad.gif). Should help. In practice, you can often get away with simpler inputs, which I will explain in parentheses as I go.

Additionally, melee is A, weak projectiles are B, and strong ones are C. So a down-down-projectile move would be 22B/C, and since dashes are written as a direction twice, dashing+weak projectile (note: Dash attacks are never actual projectiles) would be 66B.

Cards

This is the bit that most people will probably get confused over. There are three kinds of cards. System cards are simple: All characters have access to the same ones, and you use them for some minor support effect. They have a red background.

Spell cards have a flashy background and a symbol in the bottom right corner. These are your super moves, and cost a number of cards to use, as denoted by the symbol, which is useless since most of you probably can't read archaic Japanese kanji. Instead, you can read it by the colour: Blue ones cost one (only themselves), green ones cost two, lime-green/yellow costs three, orange ones cost four, and red ones will take up all five cards.

Skill cards are a bit tricky. Imagine, if you will, that a character's moveset is made of several slots. For instance, 22B/C is a slot, which one move can fit into. A character will have several 22B/C moves, but can only have one "equipped" to that slot at a time. When you use a skillcard, if the move on it is the same as the one in that slot at the time, the move is upgraded, to a maximum of level 4. If it's different, the one on the skillcard replaces your existing move. Simpler than it sounds. In short, it's a way to customize or power up your moveset.

As for how to get your cards? The five rectangles by your spirit bar are your card gauge. When you deal damage, take damage or fire projectiles/use special moves, your gauge charges up. When a rectangle fills up, you draw a card. Your hand holds a maximum of 5, and your deck has 20 cards in it. Simple enough. Some characters do better at charging the gauge quickly, and the system means that going pure melee is going to end with you having far less cards than your opponent.

Practice

Pick up a character. Any character. In fact, you may even want to try them all, but if you feel a character really isn't for you, just move to the next one (or try a different deck). That, or check the FAQ for some characters that suit your playstyle. Take to practice mode, and learn how your new character controls.

Next, practice inputting your moves. Every character will have some combination of the following skill inputs, generally all but one: 236B/C (down-forward B/C), 214 B/C (down-back B/C), 22 B/C (down-down B/C), 241 B/C (back-down-back B/C) and 263 B/C (forward-down-forward B/C). Learn to use all of them reliably and, if possible, not to accidentally use the wrong one. I've had more than one 236 turn into a 263, for instance.

Done? Now start learning what sort of distance you can use each at. Forget when each is appropriate, just try to learn when you can expect to hit, or at least connect (after all, they can always block).

Take the character for a spin. Play on Easy until you get three consecutive wins, then Normal, then Hard, and so on. After a while, you can probably set the starting difficulty to normal/hard. If you start disliking the character at any point, try someone else, but look into their card options later. Or let me know what you dislike about them and I'll tell you if it can be changed. I know some characters can change rather drastically according to their deck.

Do not, by the way, attempt to use combos. Well, do, but don't.

Okay, I'll start making sense now. Combos that lead into hitting with a spellcard more reliably, or on some occasions, a skill? Those are great. The ones where you string a long series of actual attacks together, on the other hand, are probably a little overwhelming at this stage, so hold off on that until you have other stuff taken care of.

Deckbuilding

This really ties into training. You can look to the wiki (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Main_Page) for details on what all the cards do, but at the end of the day, it's down to experimentation. Use a bunch of different skills and spells, mess around until you find something you like, then build your deck.

Test it, and if you don't like it, change it again. You have plenty of ways to experiment, so you might as well make use of it. Remember to practice each of these, as well as how to actually land them. Finally, you have four deck slots for each character, so you don't need to stick to one perfect deck.

Oh, and by the way, no, I can't give good decklists here. You can consult me for help, but in the end, different things work for different people. That said, I can tell you that Magic Potions have no business existing. At the very least, replace them with Grimoires.

...I'm sure I had more to write. Oh well, I'll leave it at this for now.

EifieFlare

2011-04-10, 04:52 PM

Cards
As for how to get your cards? The five rectangles by your spirit bar are your card gauge. When you deal damage, take damage or fire projectiles/use special moves, your gauge charges up. When a rectangle fills up, you draw a card. Your hand holds a maximum of 5, and your deck has 20 cards in it. Simple enough. Some characters do better at charging the gauge quickly, and the system means that going pure melee is going to end with you having far less cards than your opponent.

Deckbuilding

Oh, and by the way, no, I can't give good decklists here. You can consult me for help, but in the end, different things work for different people. That said, I can tell you that Magic Potions have no business existing. At the very least, replace them with Grimoires.

Just some notes I want to add, taken from the Wiki...

There are three main ways of filling the card slots: connecting hits, spending spirit, and having the opponent connect hits on you. In Hisoutensoku, each slot in your hand requires 500 card points to draw, unlike in SWR. There is no difference in how long the cards take to draw.

Connecting hits (blocked or unblocked) fills the gauges rather fast, with an amount that seems proportional to the attack's base damage. Firing B bullets gives you 30 points, firing charged B bullets gives you 50 points, firing any C bullets, charged or not, gives you 50 points. Doing a special gives 50 points, however there are some exceptions to this. Spells do not give points towards drawing cards. Taking damage also gives you points towards your next card, at the rate of 1 point every 20 health lost, meaning you gain a card from damage upon taking 10k damage. Chip damage and gradual damage, such as from Yuyuko's or Reisen's poison spells, do not give any card points, however.

Also, the Magic Potion card has its uses. The Magic Potion system card will greatly increase your spirit regeneration for a duration, and instantly recover crushed orbs. You know when you hear a "clank" sort of noise if you block incorrectly and see one of your spirit orbs turn orange? That means it's been crushed, which renders it unusable until it's restored. This would only otherwise be possible by waiting, so if you've had several orbs crushed by wrongblocking or Border Escaping, Magic Potions can be very useful. Or if you just like spamming bullets.

Drizvolta

2011-04-10, 05:02 PM

So, instead of spouting random stuff like I normaly do, I'll link everyone to some useful tutorial videos. The stuff he talks about in the videos has already been covered, but sometimes it's nice to see it instead of reading it.

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuWA9Z6HRI)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RkJ2ZiJ8Xo)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuQv8McLNl8)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enoNz1KSIw4)

The only thing you should disregard in these videos, is how to netplay, as we will be using Tunngle (http://www.tunngle.net/#home) to connect to each other.

EifieFlare

2011-04-10, 05:13 PM

Of course, "practice makes perfect." So if anyone feels like playing over Netplay/Tunngle, I'm up for some games (like always). :smallbiggrin: This way, you'll get practice against actual people; strategies developed solely from playing against the computer generally don't work so well against humans, since the computer isn't very smart when it comes to defense.

Cogwheel

2011-04-10, 07:13 PM

Just some notes I want to add, taken from the Wiki...

There are three main ways of filling the card slots: connecting hits, spending spirit, and having the opponent connect hits on you. In Hisoutensoku, each slot in your hand requires 500 card points to draw, unlike in SWR. There is no difference in how long the cards take to draw.

Connecting hits (blocked or unblocked) fills the gauges rather fast, with an amount that seems proportional to the attack's base damage. Firing B bullets gives you 30 points, firing charged B bullets gives you 50 points, firing any C bullets, charged or not, gives you 50 points. Doing a special gives 50 points, however there are some exceptions to this. Spells do not give points towards drawing cards. Taking damage also gives you points towards your next card, at the rate of 1 point every 20 health lost, meaning you gain a card from damage upon taking 10k damage. Chip damage and gradual damage, such as from Yuyuko's or Reisen's poison spells, do not give any card points, however.

Thanks.

Also, the Magic Potion card has its uses. The Magic Potion system card will greatly increase your spirit regeneration for a duration, and instantly recover crushed orbs. You know when you hear a "clank" sort of noise if you block incorrectly and see one of your spirit orbs turn orange? That means it's been crushed, which renders it unusable until it's restored. This would only otherwise be possible by waiting, so if you've had several orbs crushed by wrongblocking or Border Escaping, Magic Potions can be very useful. Or if you just like spamming bullets.

Well, excuse my irrational hatred, then :smalltongue:

Drizvolta

2011-04-10, 09:22 PM

I'm livestreaming Touhouvania 2 with the new english patch here (http://www.livestream.com/thymeparadox).

KBF

2011-04-12, 06:35 PM

Looking for people willing to stream and commentate the Hisoutensoku Ranbat matches, send a message.

Ranbat starts tomorrow, cutoff date in 12.3 hours!

JeminiZero

2011-04-13, 05:59 AM

I must admit that I'm not a major touhou fan as such... but I find this downfall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNaMlqaXw3Q) video to be hilarious, and I just wanted to share it. And another semi-related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78jKS-Veeo) one.

KBF

2011-04-13, 06:55 AM

Hisoutensoku Ranbat Update

Cutoff date is over! Thanks to Tio Tournament Organizer, here are the matches for round 1:

Round 1 Matchups

Eifieflare
vs.
Bye

Cogwheel
vs.
Anonymoose

Drizvolta
vs.
Sepharian Concytus

KBF
vs.
Bye

Penguinator
vs.
Dispozition

Kamiye
vs.
Bye

Volatar
vs.
Alterform

If you got a Bye, you have no opponent this round. Please wait warmly until Round 2 is ready
If you have an opponent, please try finish your match within day or two.
Please schedule a match ahead of time. After two days, you will need to work out a scheduled time or you will be disqualified.

Player Info:

Alterform
Profile Name: Alterform
Tunngle Username: Alterform
Registered Character: Patchouli

Anonymoose
Profile Name: Anonymoose
Tunngle Username: Anonymoose314159
Registered Character: Marissa

Cogwheel
profile Name: Cogwheel
Tunngle Username: Cogwheel
Character: Suika

Dispozition
Profile Name: Dispozition
Tunngle Username: Dispozition
Registered Character: Utsuho

Drizvolta
Profile Name: Drizvolta
Tunngle Username: ThymeParadox
Registered Character: Sakuya

EifieFlare
Profile Name: EifieFlare
Tunngle Username: EifieFlare
Registered Character: Youmu

Kamiye
Profile Name: Kamiye
Tunngle Username: camBARZ
Registered Character: Sakuya

KBF
Profile Name: KBF
Tunngle username: notkbf
Character: Cirno

Penguinator
Profile Name: Pengy
Tunngle Username: Penguinizer
Registered Character: Sakuya

Sepharian Concytus
Profile Name: SC
Tunngle Username: satatami
Registered Character: Remilia

Volatar
Profile Name: Volatar
Tunngle Username: Volatar
Registered Character: Sakuya

Bracket
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1233/hisoutensokubracket.gif

Rules, as before:

Games are played best of 3 sets.

When registering for the tournament please register what character you will use in the first round; you must always use this character in the first round. At the end of a set who ever lost is allowed to change characters for the next set. This is to prevent unfair counter picking first round, and to make character selection simpler in general.

Sanctioned matches must have at least one other registered player watching as a referee, make sure to save replays in case of contested matches. If you feel the ref was biased or otherwise a case of an unfair ref send a PM and the replays.

Games will be held using Tunngle, in Tunngle's 12.3 lobby.

If possible, please try to coordinate with at least a ref, but hopefully a streamer and commentators via the chat room of the GitP Hisoutensoku Steam Group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123). Also, please post the coordinated time for your match for the convenience of the refs, streamers and commentators.

If you are interested in streaming or commentating, show up and be available in the group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123) chat room, watch for match times, and/maybe send a PM or a Steam message to KBF (http://steamcommunity.com/id/chhakbf).

Cogwheel

2011-04-13, 07:08 AM

SAKUYA EVERYWHERE.

Also, I was sure that KBF would play Remilia. So sure.

Edit: My second round (if I make it that far) is against Eifie ohgodwhy.

SparkMandriller

2011-04-13, 07:20 AM

I must admit that I'm not a major touhou fan as such...

Well, judging from how much they discuss the games, I don't think anyone else in this thread is either, so don't feel outta place. Unless you're counting spinoff games I guess, they're popular.

Terraoblivion

2011-04-13, 07:32 AM

Honestly, Spark Mandriller, just about no one who is a major Touhou fan discusses the games. The fandom largely centers around the characters, the supplementary writing and especially all the doujin material, the games are there and they have a place, but they are by no means central to the whole thing. Seriously, I spend a substantial amount of time on an RP site specifically focused on Touhou and people rarely talk about the games there are either.

memnarch

2011-04-13, 07:45 AM

Well, judging from how much they discuss the games, I don't think anyone else in this thread is either, so don't feel outta place. Unless you're counting spinoff games I guess, they're popular.

There's only so much you can talk about a shooting game before you start rehashing things.

Tournament thing; looks like I forgot what I needed to do to register. Oh well, maybe there'll be another tournament later.

Drascin

2011-04-13, 07:46 AM

SparkMandriller

2011-04-13, 07:50 AM

Honestly, Spark Mandriller, just about no one who is a major Touhou fan discusses the games.

Is playing the games important, or do true fans avoid that too?

Terraoblivion

2011-04-13, 07:59 AM

Volatar

2011-04-13, 08:00 AM

If you are interested in streaming or commentating, show up and be available in the group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123) chat room, watch for match times, and/maybe send a PM or a Steam message to KBF (http://steamcommunity.com/id/chhakbf).

I will be idling in the group chat room for commentating as well as trying to get my match partner and possibly some practice PUG's.

Drascin

2011-04-13, 08:14 AM

The games are generally played, it just isn't the central thing. Touhou as a whole is focused on the fan material and not the games. It is really rather remarkable and unprecedented, at least to this degree.

And relax, Drascin. I only said "just about no one", not a simple "no one" and you have to admit that the games aren't discussed that often in general.

Yep, can't argue there. The games aren't really discussed much. Hell, the actual canon of the series isn't discussed much - it's fan stuff all day. But, well, I got in this series because the games were fun, the music awesome (vey important bit. I'm a very auditive person. I have trouble playing games with bad soundtracks), and the world painted by them interesting. Typical fan stuff didn't enter the picture there, and to be honest still doesn't enter much beyond recognizing it and getting a laugh out of the amusing ones. So I had to interject :smalltongue:

SparkMandriller

2011-04-13, 08:24 AM

Volatar

2011-04-13, 08:26 AM

So why's this in gaming instead of media discussions?

That's just confusing.

Because the setting started with the Games.

MoelVermillion

2011-04-13, 08:52 AM

Is playing the games important, or do true fans avoid that too?

No. They've all played it and enjoyed it however it is a single-player game and a rather static one at that. The experience of a main series Touhou game is not going to differ that much from player to player except by difficulty mode and character and truly dedicated fans have probably played all of that too. Seeing as most people in this thread have probably played the main games, there is only so much to talk about and that this is just a continuation of the first thread that was started almost a year ago... I'd be very, very surprised if there was anything meaningful to talk about left in the main series. Once a new game is released talk will pick up about that for a while until it too is exhausted of meaningful discussion.

Now as for why this thread continues when the main series is depleted of talking points? There is a plethora of both official and unofficial spin off games that fans of the main series may want to try. These games are generally less popular than the main games so they have not yet been over discussed the way the main series has. In the case of the fighting games like 12.3 there will be a lot more to discuss as the other players are equally important to your experience as the game itself which of course opens a whole new avenue of discussion.

So yeah just chill, people in here appreciate the main games its just that there is nothing new to talk about on that front.

Drizvolta

2011-04-13, 09:53 AM

Quick question on ruling: if we believe the match had lag, how should the players ask for a re-do, and how should a referee decide if they should re-do the match?

Terraoblivion

2011-04-13, 10:23 AM

Cogwheel

2011-04-13, 10:48 AM

First round, I won. Anonymoose is considerably better than he thinks, though.

Since posting replays on Youtube evades me, here's a megaupload link (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HIUKC22B) with the files instead.

I, uh, actually won 2.5 times. It's a long story involving replays and senility.

MoelVermillion

2011-04-13, 10:50 AM

EifieFlare

2011-04-13, 01:57 PM

Of course, I missed lots of discussion on the one day I decided to take a nap. :smallsigh:

1. Look at all them knives.
2. Ha, I got a bye. And now I have to fight Suika WHY GOD WHY
3. I'm wondering why no one's pointed out that we do talk about the games, especially recently. Fighting spinoffs (or even fan creations) they may be, but they're still games. It's like saying people aren't talking about the Mario series if the game isn't a platformer.
4. Regarding the tournament, I should be available as a referee once I get home today (about an hour or so).

Cogwheel

2011-04-13, 02:02 PM

2. Ha, I got a bye. And now I have to fight Suika WHY GOD WHY

And now I have to fight Eifie WHY GOD WHY.

Seriously, I was prepared to fight people for this tournament, not unstoppable forces of nature.

Prime32

2011-04-13, 02:05 PM

Oh, and getting back to Prime's avataring advertising. Can I switch from Meiling to Alice? I'm currently applying for her as an alt on the Touhou RP site, so I thought it would be fitting to pick her as an avatar here.Hai. :smalltongue:

And here I thought you just liked that av because it was smiling. :smallamused:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/chen300x300.png
SURPRISE NOSEBLEED

EifieFlare

2011-04-13, 04:22 PM

And now I have to fight Eifie WHY GOD WHY.

Seriously, I was prepared to fight people for this tournament, not unstoppable forces of nature.

Y'know, you are forgetting that you have won before. ...so I guess that makes me a fairy. Yeah thanks. :smallannoyed:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/chen300x300.png
SURPRISE NOSEBLEED

And somewhere out there, Ran just fired another Nosebleed Spark.

Penguinizer

2011-04-13, 04:41 PM

Oh dear lord me vs. Disp.

Oh god. We tried a random game. It was hilarious. Lag was an understatement. I think we can struggle through it. I'll poke him so we can get the games done when I can.

Terraoblivion

2011-04-13, 04:49 PM

Thanks, Prime. And it does help that it is smiling, but mostly I went for it because it was fitting. Still not sure what's up with my sudden fondness for Alice, I can't point to anything I've seen or done that could have created it.

And that Chen is certainly leading Ran to bleed out somewhere.

KBF

2011-04-13, 05:11 PM

As I just reffed the first match of the Ranbat I'd like to say something to future competitors. Save. Your. Replays. KBF wasn't on so I had to make a judgment call myself and I decided to void the two matches where Cog and Moose both forgot to save replays and force them to do them over. There was no harm done in the end as the result was the same (though the matches themselves were much closer the second time). KBF can give a better ruling on this when he gets back on but I'd recommend you remember to save your replays either way.

Replays, Senility and a hard-ass who kept claiming to be "the law".

If you go to "Config" from the main menu, set the Replay Save setting to Always, this won't be a problem..

But I'm going to have to ask that everyone do that.

Quick question on ruling: if we believe the match had lag, how should the players ask for a re-do, and how should a referee decide if they should re-do the match?

This is tricky, because it's inevitable. If the lag is unusually high for the players playing, I'll look into it.

Cogwheel

2011-04-13, 07:13 PM

Y'know, you are forgetting that you have won before.

Something I will continue to blame on lag and flukes.

...so I guess that makes me a fairy.

No no no. That would be me. The cold kind, both in strength and sheer genius :smalltongue:

Drizvolta

2011-04-13, 09:51 PM

Here are the replays for Round 1: Driz Vs. SC. I won, but it wasn't easy, and SC had injured his thumb beforehand.
http://www.mediafire.com/?tlwbnefs8x8tx44

Seraphian

2011-04-14, 01:32 AM

irc://irc.deltaanime.net/hisoutensoku

I made an IRC for our Hisou ing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCgpnryh6mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BmIgeYqZlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPUtYAD_jb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlMI1Oy9Fx0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oqF9UlO1Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o4qpaowCaQ

Some free matches, yay.

Volatar

2011-04-14, 09:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCgpnryh6mo

I love how the timing in the music matches up with the match so well in this video.

Volatar

2011-04-14, 07:28 PM

Just played against Alter. He kicked my butt :smalltongue:

We were not able to obtain a witness, but since we have badly matching schedules and we had an opportunity, we took it.

Here are the replays. http://www.mediafire.com/?5ueffvhb8ruyu3j

The two Patchouli vs Sakuya matches are the real matches, the other two were just for fun that we did afterword.

memnarch

2011-04-14, 07:38 PM

I'm not a part of the contestants, but if someone is needed to watch a game, I'm available. Just tell me what I'd need to do and contact me through Steam.

AlterForm

2011-04-14, 07:56 PM

Cogwheel

2011-04-14, 08:42 PM

Yeah, well, I need to learn how to use more than 3 skills. :smalltongue:

Sakuya has three skills: Knives, More Knives and Messing About. The last part consists of dealing with time and space.

Spell cards are much the same.

MoelVermillion

2011-04-14, 08:46 PM

Sakuya has three skills: Knives, More Knives and Messing About. The last part consists of dealing with time and space.

Spell cards are much the same.

Imagine a maid character in a fighting game. To win the round you must first throw knives, then more knives then finally mess about.

Spell cards work the same way.

Cogwheel

2011-04-14, 10:45 PM

Won against Eifie, 4-0. Replays here (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAH6ZVKJ).

AlterForm

2011-04-15, 01:11 AM

Kamiye beats AlterForm, 2-0

Round 1 (https://dl.dropbox.com/s/aa8ft64afzvyj2t/AlterForm_Kamiye_R1.rep?dl=1)
Round 1 (https://dl.dropbox.com/s/v42mk7sb2q1xwf8/AlterForm_Kamiye_R2.rep?dl=1)

Cogwheel

2011-04-15, 01:22 AM

If I'm not mistaken, as soon as Dis and Penguinizer finish their match, we're all at the second round.

Uh, except for me. And Kamiye. Kinda jumped the gun there.

Penguinizer

2011-04-15, 04:07 AM

Me and Dis finished what could technically be called our games. Here are the replays. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5OHHPTNG

Dis won 2-1.

KBF

2011-04-15, 05:55 AM

Hisoutensoku Ranbat Update

Round 1 was fun and a bit surprising! Here's the results of that, and what was already played of round 2:

Results:

Eifieflare
vs.
Bye

Cogwheel
vs.
Anonymoose

Drizvolta
vs.
Sepharian Concytus

KBF
vs.
Bye

Penguinator
vs.
Dispozition

Kamiye
vs.
Bye

Volatar
vs.
Alterform

---

Eifieflare
vs.
Cogwheel

Kamiye
vs.
Alterform

Upcoming matches:

KBF
vs.
Dispozition

Penguinator
vs.
EifieFlare

Volatar
vs.
Sepharian Concytus

----
Cogwheel
vs.
Drizvolta

This is technically round 3, but the matchup is decided, so I guess.. But I'd like this, and most of round 3, to be streamed if possible.

Please try finish your match within day or two.
Please schedule a match ahead of time. After about two days, you will be required to work out a scheduled time or you may be disqualified.

Player Info:

Alterform
Profile Name: Alterform
Tunngle Username: Alterform
Registered Character: Patchouli

Anonymoose
Profile Name: Anonymoose
Tunngle Username: Anonymoose314159
Registered Character: Marissa

Cogwheel
profile Name: Cogwheel
Tunngle Username: Cogwheel
Character: Suika

Dispozition
Profile Name: Dispozition
Tunngle Username: Dispozition
Registered Character: Utsuho

Drizvolta
Profile Name: Drizvolta
Tunngle Username: ThymeParadox
Registered Character: Sakuya

EifieFlare
Profile Name: EifieFlare
Tunngle Username: EifieFlare
Registered Character: Youmu

Kamiye
Profile Name: Kamiye
Tunngle Username: camBARZ
Registered Character: Sakuya

KBF
Profile Name: KBF
Tunngle username: notkbf
Character: Cirno

Penguinator
Profile Name: Pengy
Tunngle Username: Penguinizer
Registered Character: Sakuya

Sepharian Concytus
Profile Name: SC
Tunngle Username: satatami
Registered Character: Remilia

Volatar
Profile Name: Volatar
Tunngle Username: Volatar
Registered Character: Sakuya

Bracket
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3413/hisoutensokubracketroun.gif

Seraphian has provided an IRC channel:

irc://irc.deltaanime.net/hisoutensoku

As previously noted:

Games are played best of 3 sets.

When registering for the tournament please register what character you will use in the first round; you must always use this character in the first round. At the end of a set who ever lost is allowed to change characters for the next set. This is to prevent unfair counter picking first round, and to make character selection simpler in general.

Sanctioned matches must have at least one other registered player watching as a referee, make sure to save replays in case of contested matches. If you feel the ref was biased or otherwise a case of an unfair ref send a PM and the replays.

Games will be held using Tunngle, in Tunngle's 12.3 lobby.

If possible, please try to coordinate with at least a ref, but hopefully a streamer and commentators via the chat room of the GitP Hisoutensoku Steam Group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123). Also, please post the coordinated time for your match for the convenience of the refs, streamers and commentators.

If you are interested in streaming or commentating, show up and be available in the group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GitPT123) chat room, watch for match times, and/maybe send a PM or a Steam message to KBF (http://steamcommunity.com/id/chhakbf).

Penguinizer

2011-04-15, 06:04 AM

There are a couple of massive gripes I have with the game.
A: River Mists, who thought this was a good idea?
B: It's sometimes rather annoying when it's impossible to tell if an opponent can be hit during the spinning in air animation. Largely because there is no way.

Cogwheel

2011-04-15, 06:32 AM

A: River Mists, who thought this was a good idea?

The dartboard, which dictates all things.

B: It's sometimes rather annoying when it's impossible to tell if an opponent can be hit during the spinning in air animation. Largely because there is no way.

Flail anyway. It's what I do.

I am not a good player, no.

Also: Streaming. That's, uh, going to be tricky. If Driz, or anyone spectating can steam, sure, that's great. Otherwise, it may be difficult. And, uh, laggy. Could experiment with some practice matches first, I suppose.

Volatar

2011-04-15, 08:52 AM

I know that I cannot stream while playing. I just don't have enough bandwidth. I might be able to Fraps and Youtube the matches after the fact though.

Terraoblivion

2011-04-15, 11:41 AM

And speaking of talking about the actual games...

The Ten Desires demo (http://www.mediafire.com/?v65expl66aqccm2) is out.

Seems like one of the harder games in the series, also seems to feature a lot of returning characters as bosses. At least there are two out of the four actual characters that are bosses in the demo. The new (http://www.pooshlmer.com/wakaba/src/1302882425067.jpg) bosses (http://www.pooshlmer.com/wakaba/src/1302882564439.png) are quite cute too. They also have interesting gimmicks. Kyouko, the one with the funny ears is the stage 2 boss and steals Reimu's border hax from IN, while Miyako, the hopping vampire who is the stage 3 boss, brings selfhealing to the table on her final spellcard.

Drascin

2011-04-15, 01:12 PM

Ah, thanks for the link.

Well, as far as the demo goes, nothing too wow-worthy, but not bad. The second boss's barrier hax blindsided me completely. I still have no idea how the mechanics work, either - I gather geathering those wisps is good, but I have no idea what they do.

However, I have a gripe. Marisa's laser is no longer penetrating! I mean, continuous penetrating lasers are a classic of the genre since Gradius, if you have lasers at all they have to be penetrating! :smallmad:

SparkMandriller

2011-04-15, 01:14 PM

Seems like one of the harder games in the series

This is Touhou fan code for "does not give out a million lives", yes? Third boss on lunatic is pretty annoying with that healing though I gotta admit.

This is alright for a Touhou game I think, if only because it doesn't let you hide at the bottom of the screen all game if you wanna get any items. Charging right up next to dudes and spamming charge shots all game means I can pretend I'm some sorta Panzer Jager/RX-10 hybrid, too, and I can get right behind that.

kamikasei

2011-04-15, 01:20 PM

The new (http://www.pooshlmer.com/wakaba/src/1302882425067.jpg) bosses (http://www.pooshlmer.com/wakaba/src/1302882564439.png) are quite cute too.
Site doesn't like hotlinking.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-15, 01:21 PM

*happy dolphin noises so high pitched that they're inaudible to human ears* Downloading nao... Right now... 13 minutes left. So close, soooo close. C'mon... 12 minutes... 11 minutes... C'mon hurry up hurry up hurry up!! Gah, back to 12 minutes!?! Noooo... :smallfrown:

Kamiye

2011-04-15, 01:29 PM

I think iit's a little too easy even in normal and hard... And the third stage boss I think she was a Zombie because her position is a zombie position...

Gameplay with Youmu is cool even if I hate Youmu...

SparkMandriller

2011-04-15, 02:21 PM

However, I have a gripe. Marisa's laser is no longer penetrating! I mean, continuous penetrating lasers are a classic of the genre since Gradius, if you have lasers at all they have to be penetrating! :smallmad:

Lasers in Gradius typically don't penetrate though. Unless it's like, disruptor or something, and nobody likes disruptor. Cyclone laser is like a bazillion times cooler than disruptor. Disruptor sucks.

Site doesn't like hotlinking.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9682/th13y.jpg

I guess cuteness is subjective, but...

EifieFlare

2011-04-15, 02:37 PM

I think iit's a little too easy even in normal and hard... And the third stage boss I think she was a Zombie because her position is a zombie position...

Taking into account both the outstretched arms and what looks like a charm pasted to her forehead, I'd agree with the undead route. No idea what the second one is supposed to be though.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-15, 02:51 PM

Just gave it a quick mess around there and my first impression is; playing with Youmu first will only disappoint you. I chose Youmu first and thought that her mechanics(her charge-up attack when focusing) was for everyone, and I was dying to see the other's versions of it. Went in to them afterwards and was disappointed(Reimu's homing-unfocused/straight fire-focused is nifty, Marisa's... Why? Just WHY?! Direct fire for focused and unfocused?(admitedly, this was just messing around on first stage for two seconds. If one of her attacks does change, I'll take this back.), Sanae's spread-focused(which reminds of UFO's Marisa-B))

And when I saw Yuyuko, I thought each character would have their own stage 1 and boss(Reimu-Yukari, Marisa-Alice?, Sanae-Kanako/Suwako), but Yuyuko is the only boss for stage 1. Bah. And why is she a stage one boss for everyone? I can imagine a friendly sparring match between her and Youmu, but Sanae? Who she's never met before? Here's hoping the translation makes sense of that.

The bombs are okay, all round. I think the new ones are pretty cool.

Reimu: Fantasy Seal. Eh, been there, done that.
Marisa: Ah, good old Master Spark. It tilts direction when you move which is kinda nifty, but not really useful.
Sanae: HOLY SPOOSH PENTAGRAM TO THE FACE! The bomb seems only decent, but it does look pretty cool.
Youmu: Can't really tell how powerful it is yet, per say. I'm not really a fan of screen-wipe bombs either, but her bomb is freakin' AWESOME. Ahhn~ Just... J-Just ahhn~

The whole overdrive-when-you-die thing is pretty cool, and I love Youmu's especially. Just the thought of her hacking-and-slashing like hell at whatever's infront of her:smallbiggrin:.

The music... It's good, yeah, but it feels really different from ZUN's other stuff. Not saying that that's a bad thing, but it feels a little odd for some reason. Then again, you can see there's still a resemblance to UFO and Fairy Wars, so it didn't come smack-bang out of nowhere.

The stages and bosses themselves are alright. I didn't notice anything particularly good or bad about them. The stage 2 boss is cute when she doesn't have her drunk look on, though I can't tell if those things on her head are ribbons or ears. Stage 3 boss(Yes I've forgotten their names already. Shut up.) I think might be a Jiang Shi, judging by the talisman on her head(I know the talisman is depicted being used against various other undead in that manner, but I've only really seen it applied to Jiang Shi. Also makes sense, seeing as she's a zombie, and all.). Also, I actually thought that the talisman was part of her hat on first glance. I may need to go get my eyes checked.:smalleek:

Oh, and
http://i.imgur.com/rl6tc.png
Kogasa says hi.

SparkMandriller

2011-04-15, 02:54 PM

Taking into account both the outstretched arms and what looks like a charm pasted to her forehead, I'd agree with the undead route. No idea what the second one is supposed to be though.

omake.txt says 山彦, which the internet says is some sorta echo youkai. Seems thematically appropriate with the bouncy attacks.

The stage 2 boss is cute when she doesn't have her drunk look on, though I can't tell if those things on her head are ribbons or ears.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6370/suushiyamabiko.jpg

I think ears.

Malek

2011-04-15, 03:02 PM

So I went on and downloaded the demo. Thoughts:
- Youmu's focus mechanic is interesting, but short range is short - probably not something for someone with my limited amount of skill.
- The new sound chime on death of things feels like it'll get old fast methinks
- Second stage boss was quite entertaining
- The "berzerk" or whatever thing on death is neat. Wonder what triggers it though (It didn't seem to happen every time)
- I wonder what the bloe "blobs" are for. Probably another score increasing mechanic.

Oh and as much as I think Spark is showing his Elitest side, he might be right about this not being as Terraoblivion says.

Edit: Oh and circle-healthbars from Fairy Wars, I approve :smallbiggrin:

Terraoblivion

2011-04-15, 03:19 PM

The blue blobs, or spirits, are used to charge up ghost mode, while the purple ones give pieces of extra lives and the green ones bomb pieces. The ghost mode seems to power you up and probably increases the gain from the spirits. In addition to triggering on death, you can also toggle it on with C apparently. This is pretty much the full extent of my knowledge of how the gameplay works beyond the obvious.

I also think Miscast Mage got it about what Miyako, the stage 3 boss, is. I couldn't recall the name, but I knew what kind of being she seems based on. They are pretty amusing in actual Chinese folklore, due to how utterly derpy they are.

As for what the stage 2 boss is, I think this is a summary of who and what she is. "The character on the left is Kasodani Kyoko, who is basically the Japanese equivalent of Echo. She's a youkai who returns echoes to happy voices on mountains, but recently a superstition that echoes are reflections of sound waves has spread (...yeah.) so she started practicing Buddhism. She started being feared by humans because they thought hymns were emanating from uninhabited mountains. She entered Gensokyo relatively recently and currently stays with Byakuren."

Jm2c

2011-04-15, 03:25 PM

Just gave Reimu a quick whirl. Is it just me, or is her supermode freaking Fantasy Heaven?

Malek

2011-04-15, 03:36 PM

SparkMandriller

2011-04-15, 03:43 PM

Drascin

2011-04-15, 03:54 PM

C turns it on, but only if you've already got a fully charged hyper ready. Unless you were talking about turning it off again once it's started, there's no way to do that, yeah.

(Did I ever mention that Daioujou has hypers? And that Daioujou players are considerably more manly and charming than Touhou players, due to the less abundant lives/less generous bomb mechanics in that game? Because I'd just like to put that out there.)
(ELITISM ELITISM ELITISM)

Eh, DaiOujou's not bad, started playing it recently. Fourth boss is a pain in the neck, though, can't seem to get past it. It's at least much better than its prequel, which was aggressively boring.

Also, thanks for the info on mechanics, Terra :smallsmile:.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-15, 04:08 PM

Wait, she's echo? As in... the law of physics, echo? Or there's some type of spirit called an echo? And is it bad that my mind worked around to ping and now I want ZUN to include a ping youkai at some point? Network spirits, anyone?

I also don't remember being able to toggle the super-mode with C. I'll try again later to confirm, and I'm hoping you can, because honestly, it's a little less useful when you have to die to use it. >_>

And yeah, Yoshika's(I'm assuming that's her first name, but I think ZUN used western naming convention at first, then switched to japanese style, so... yeah, not too sure about that, though Miyako sounds more like a first name anyway.) whole regenerating thing... I lost two continues to her. On normal. Playing as Youmu is encouraging me way too much to run up and slash the enemies in the face. Seriously, I don't think I've shotgunned this much thoughout the entire Touhou series combined.:smalleek:

Oh, and someone added on the touhou wiki that Kyouko is a Yamabiko, apparently, as Terraoblivion described.

SparkMandriller

2011-04-15, 04:12 PM

Oh damn, now I have to get a new game that you haven't played so I can feel superior. One you're less likely to have access to.

So anyway I was playing Otomedius G the other day, which as we all know is a fantastic game and well suited to connoisseurs such as myself, and hahaha oh man I can't keep this up that game is shocking.

(also my strategy on the fourth boss is to bomb everything and then when he does his last attack get really close so the laserbomb aura hits the spinning things and does damage to them too.)
(this is not a great strategy and you probably shouldn't follow it.)

On further reflection this game seems like it'll be awful memorisation city to figure out the best spots to hyper to get the most outta those ghosts. Kinda sucks. Like having to figure out all the places to bomb in 10 and 11, except now you need to do it to get more bombs/lives, too, oh man. So that kinda sucks.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-15, 04:49 PM

Yeah, I was a little worried about memorisation too, but as long as the game isn't so difficult that I have to resort to memorisation, then I wouldn't worry about it. As long as I can clear it, I'm happy. Because then I can unlock the EX stage where memorisation is easier due to having twice the difficulty of the whole game crammed into a single level! YaaayOh Goddess kill me now. Kill me and everyone in a five mile radius if it's anything like UFO's EX stage.

Oh, and another game...? I... uh... Umm... Mars Rising?
...Oh spoosh me, now I want to go play that again. >_>

Hmm, random thought: The way Youmu has her own little style gives me an idea. I've been planning on messing around with Danmakufu during the summer(Though I'm a little spooshed off because my course doesn't teach C++ untill next year so I'll have to adapt from Java on my own), and creating player scripts with variations like this, as opposed to just a slightly different speed/shot-type/bomb, would be pretty good practice, and actually sounds pretty fun. I may mess around with Danmakufu before then, and I'll end up posting any tinkerings of mine here either way, if anyone's interested. And yes I'll be posting the scripts over at Maidens of the Kaleidoscope as well, before anyone mentions that. I really need to create an account there sooner or later.

Jm2c

2011-04-15, 04:50 PM

So I've been talking with a friend who's well versed in Chinese folklore. Apparently, Jiang Shi are sealed because they eat souls, or rather, Chi. Through... the mouth.

I have now added MeilingxMiyako to my long list of ships. :smalltongue:

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-15, 04:59 PM

...Why did I not make that connection? Then again, Chi isn't the first thing that pops into my head when I think of Meiling. It's more gatekeeping and punching people in a world where volleys of magical bullets are the norm. Besides, aren't soul-eating monster-things usually depicted as eating said souls with their mouths?:smallconfused:

And why are you shipping already?!:smalleek: And long is this list?

Jm2c

2011-04-15, 05:10 PM

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-15, 05:40 PM

Again, isn't that common? I've seen the whole "sucking out someone's soul" depicted as through the victims mouth more times than not. Though directly on the mouth I'll admit is rarer outside of obviously-bad-so-it-shoves-in-as-much-fanservice-as-possible things.

...And now I can't stop thinking about the power perversion potential (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerPerversionPotential) of Touhou powers. Thanks.
In case you're wondering(EoSD cast only... for now >:3c)

Rumia: Some people like it with the lights switched off.
Cirno: I remember skimming through a Men's Health magazine that recommended using ice-lollies for... certain purposes in the bedroom. Cirno could replicate that, and then some.
Hong Meiling: Surely you can think of something unwholesome with as broad a power as "Control of Qi" :smalltongue:
Sakuya: If you can't think of anything to do with time manipulation, you fail.
Patchouli: ...I'm just gonna say magic for this. Also, Koakuma.
Remilia: Vampire loli. 'Nuff said.
Flan: Same as above, but for (immortal)masochists and/or suicidal people.

Ignoring Daiyousei because she doesn't really have any powers that we know of... except kinda-teleportation? You could probably do something kinky with that.

Edit: Forgot link to appropriate tvtropes page Super happy fun page that you should check out because it'll only take a second!:smallbiggrin:
Bwahaha! I R EVULZ!! >:3

EifieFlare

2011-04-15, 07:29 PM

...And now I can't stop thinking about the power perversion potential (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerPerversionPotential) of Touhou powers. Thanks.
In case you're wondering(EoSD cast only... for now >:3c)

Rumia: Some people like it with the lights switched off.
Cirno: I remember skimming through a Men's Health magazine that recommended using ice-lollies for... certain purposes in the bedroom. Cirno could replicate that, and then some.
Hong Meiling: Surely you can think of something unwholesome with as broad a power as "Control of Qi" :smalltongue:
Sakuya: If you can't think of anything to do with time manipulation, you fail.
Patchouli: ...I'm just gonna say magic for this. Also, Koakuma.
Remilia: Vampire loli. 'Nuff said.
Flan: Same as above, but for (immortal)masochists and/or suicidal people.

Ignoring Daiyousei because she doesn't really have any powers that we know of... except kinda-teleportation? You could probably do something kinky with that.

Edit: Forgot link to appropriate tvtropes page Super happy fun page that you should check out because it'll only take a second!:smallbiggrin:

Now that you mention it, TVTropes did originally have a page entirely for Touhou under "Fetish Fuel." There are a lot more ideas where those came from...

Incidentally, what used to be that page has actually been turned into an entire Wikia site. :smalltongue:

Prime32

2011-04-15, 07:45 PM

So I've been talking with a friend who's well versed in Chinese folklore. Apparently, Jiang Shi are sealed because they eat souls, or rather, Chi. Through... the mouth.Also, you can only defeat them by taking a mushroom from a graveyard, putting it in their left sock, and throwing it into a river. :smalltongue: Jackie Chan Adventures would not lie to me.

And Miyako is Kanako's daughter, obviously.

I'm calling Ms. Echo's fanon personality as "likes to appear smarter than she is".

Jm2c

2011-04-16, 03:45 AM

Terraoblivion

2011-04-16, 08:11 AM

Orin is taking her home!
It just appears like she's carting the corpse off, but in reality she's taking her off for...other stuff.

Prime32

2011-04-16, 10:06 AM

Take a look at the Ten Desires art for Reimu and Sanae. Particularly at their shoulders.

You can panic now.

EDIT:
So divine spirits are basically baby gods born from strong desires... and the incident is being caused by someone's strong desire to be resurrected so they can have revenge?

...nah.

kamikasei

2011-04-16, 05:11 PM

Take a look at the Ten Desires art for Reimu and Sanae. Particularly at their shoulders.

You can panic now.
Those sleeves look as detached as they've ever been, as far as I can tell. Nothing to panic about. The armpits are eternal and unchanging.

Drascin

2011-04-16, 05:11 PM

Prime32

2011-04-16, 05:48 PM

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/Touhou/kyouko300x300.png
Heh. ZUN is such a tease.
Heh. ZUN is such a tease.
Heh. ZUN is such a tease.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd54/Prime32_temp/OotS/Touhou/kyouko.png

memnarch

2011-04-16, 06:11 PM

Prime32

2011-04-16, 06:12 PM

Heh, those pictures are missing.Sure, internet, cut out after I've deleted the old versions but before I've uploaded the new ones. :smallannoyed: Should be okay now.

To make up for it... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnzXmGe63g#t=1m)

Eliirae

2011-04-16, 11:46 PM

So apparently the zombie girl's power is the ability to eat anything and everything.

I can just see fan works with her (Miyako?) and Yuyuko just devouring everything in sight. Possibly ending with them trying to eat each other.

KBF

2011-04-17, 04:04 AM

I've played my 12.3 match with Dis, won 2-0. Replays here (http://www.mediafire.com/?vjdo6dc0dbcvfkm). Was pretty laggy, but they were fun matches.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-18, 05:48 AM

Huh, just made another connection between Meiling and Miyako(or Yoshika... Okay, I'm just calling her Corpsey untill I figure out which is her first name:smallannoyed:); Look at their hats, and realise that they're both from China(or Corpsy's case, she's a Jiang Shi, a chinese zombie, at least).

Also, scrounging around for fan-art on Corpsey, and I think this (http://www.safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=602629) is my favourite piece so far(cause, y'know, she is a Jiang Shi), though I have to admit this (http://www.safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=603428) one is pretty cute.

Oh, and does anyone else notice the plot between games slowlying coming together since MOF? Kanako was responsible for Utsuho getting her power in SA(and Koishi was visiting Moriya Shrine so it works both ways, I guess), the events of SA freed Murasa who was responsible for UFO, and now the UFO crew could be tied to whoever's responsible for TD. Make's me wonder what the TD crew are going to be responsible for.

Also, I like that the heroines are actually going and asking specific people now, as opposed to randomly flying off and beating up whoever crosses their path.

One more also; reading the translated dialogue/prologue, anyone think that Mima may make an appearance, possibly as a final/ex/(phantasm?) boss? I'm not saying she's likely to appear, but the circumstances would be a good excuse for ZUN to bring her back for a visit, if not solely to shut up the people constantly asking for her.

Edit: Just noticed, in Reimu's dialogue she comments that Corpsey has a good complexion for a zombie, or something along those alongs. ZUN nodding at the "Zombie Reimu" joke from MoF?

Eliirae

2011-04-18, 10:06 AM

Actually I think the zombie girl is Yoshika. Miyako is the other one.

See, this is why I can't have nice things.

FantasyFoxMan

2011-04-18, 11:26 AM

So, on the topic of Touhou 13... I'm wondering if I'm the only one who's deliriously happy that ZUN brought back Kogasa. :smallsmile:

Rolaran

2011-04-18, 01:40 PM

So, having read the translated stuff on the wiki, I have a question for those whose skills in Japanese are better than mine (in other words, "better than zero").

The word that has been translated as "Yahoo!" in reference to Kyoko and her spellcards... is it possible to translate that as yodeling? Because that seems to work really well with a singing mountain youkai... and gives me an excuse to entertain the mental image of a youkai in lederhosen :smalltongue:

Jm2c

2011-04-18, 02:01 PM

Actually I think the zombie girl is Yoshika. Miyako is the other one.

See, this is why I can't have nice things.

No, the zombie girl is both Miyako and Yoshika (that is, her name is Yoshika Miyako). The question is which is the first name and which is the last name, as both can be first names and the order ZUN writes names in varies, AFAIK. The echo girl is named Kyouko.

IncoherentEssay

2011-04-18, 02:13 PM

I was also pleasantly surprised by Kogasa's appearance, so that'd be two.
I also like how the spirit mechanic encourages moving about. Haven't played as anyone but Youmu yet (and i'm still terrible at this type of game), been busy :smallwink::
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9528/yoshika002.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/yoshika002.jpg/)
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1249/yoshika003.th.jpg (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/yoshika003.jpg/)http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2522/yoshika004.th.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/yoshika004.jpg/)http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1965/yoshika005.th.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/i/yoshika005.jpg/)
I'd go with Yoshika as her name, but anything is better than another case of 'China', really.

Edit: fixed broken image. Imageshack misplaced the original one somehow.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-18, 02:14 PM

Actually I think the zombie girl is Yoshika. Miyako is the other one.

See, this is why I can't have nice things.

Yoshika Miyako is the zombie, Kyouko Kasodani is the echo girl with the odd ears. Spoosh it, i'm just going to follow how it's written on the wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Characters), so Yoshika and Kyouko I shall call them. Unless of course, I failed a wisdom check and you were poking fun at yourself confusing the names too. :smallconfused:

Pre-post edit: Curse you, associate! When did you take a level in ninja?:smallwink:

So, on the topic of Touhou 13... I'm wondering if I'm the only one who's deliriously happy that ZUN brought back Kogasa. :smallsmile:

It was a rather pleasant surprise, yes.

Bero-bero-baa~ :P

Post-post edit: Gah, another ninja? One who put points into Craft:(Claywork)? Great clay zombie-girl, by the way. Though the hat strikes me as a little big...:smallconfused:

Eliirae

2011-04-18, 02:33 PM

Yoshika Miyako is the zombie, Kyouko Kasodani is the echo girl with the odd ears. Spoosh it, i'm just going to follow how it's written on the wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Characters), so Yoshika and Kyouko I shall call them. Unless of course, I failed a wisdom check and you were poking fun at yourself confusing the names too. :smallconfused:

That's exactly what I was doing.

And it also turns out that both times I was wrong. This is why I REALLY can't have nice things!

Seraphian

2011-04-18, 06:16 PM

Had my match with Volatar. I won, 2-0. I'm just glad he didn't crush me like he did that swingset!

Replays: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11911775/files/Volatar%20Match.rar

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VCEPoRJI-4

EifieFlare

2011-04-18, 07:04 PM

Cogwheel

2011-04-18, 09:49 PM

Volatar

2011-04-19, 11:31 AM

Cogwheel

2011-04-19, 11:45 AM

So after my horrible defeat at the hands of Seraphian, we played a couple more fun matches.

First match, he told me he would show me how to play Sakuya. I picked Yukari to face him. I wish I had used Yukari earlier after what happened :smallamused:

So then the second match he wanted it to be Sakuya vs Sakuya.

I liked the outcome again :smallbiggrin:

Recorded both matches and uploaded them here, with an appropriate version of Luna Dial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObxI_mhRS50

1. How do you get those replays on to Youtube?

2. Let me show you how to play Yukari some time :smalltongue:

By which I mean some neat moves you overlooked, not general playstyle.

I often use Yukari to train people, though. You've been warned.

Volatar

2011-04-19, 12:02 PM

1. How do you get those replays on to Youtube?

Pretty simple really.

1) Get the full version of Fraps
2) Set game to not play music, play Replay, record with Fraps
3) Open files in Windows Movie Maker
4) Add Music
5) Publish -> For Computer
6) Upload resulting file to Youtube

2. Let me show you how to play Yukari some time :smalltongue:

By which I mean some neat moves you overlooked, not general playstyle.

I often use Yukari to train people, though. You've been warned.

Sure! I need to spend some time reading the Wiki and messing with my spellcard decks anyways. I am still running default spellcard decks on everyone.

Rolaran

2011-04-19, 12:08 PM

I often use Yukari to train people, though. You've been warned.

"Train" in the sense of "improve the opponent's abilities and technique through practice", or in the sense of "hit the opponent with several tons of high-velocity metal"? With any other character I would know the answer, but with Yukari you never know...

Drizvolta

2011-04-19, 12:13 PM

"Train" in the sense of "improve the opponent's abilities and technique through practice", or in the sense of "hit the opponent with several tons of high-velocity metal"? With any other character I would know the answer, but with Yukari you never know...

If you can dodge a train, you can dodge a ball.

Miscast_Mage

2011-04-19, 12:23 PM

And in another instance of ZUN doing his homework and possibly wanting to reference something:

"According to the backstory of Night Warriors, Hsien-Ko was born around the 1730s with a twin named Mei-Ling. During this time, ghosts and spirits of the dead arose from their resting places and attacked a rural Chinese village. [snip]

This turned the twins into a jiāngshī (僵屍 "stiff corpse"), a type of Chinese zombie."

The origin in question is apparently the story for Hsien-Ko from Capcom's Darkstalkers.

I remember coming across a tidbit of Hsien-Ko's backstory before, isn't her sister Mei-Ling now the ofuda charm on her head? Something like she's the mind(or spirit, I can't remember), and Hsien-Ko is the body?

Anyway, I think this (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=603908) may be the first Touhou/Madoka crossover involving the new characters. Some artists work pretty fast. /(◕‿‿◕)\

Also, relevant to previous discussions comparing Meiling and Yoshika (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=603293), and Yuyuko (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=603920) and Yoshika (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/897525/).((Note: Miscast_Mage will not be held responsible for loss of time, sanity, and/or purity as a result of searching for safebooru/danbooru(the last link, due to translation notes) or any works located within it))

And is it just me, or is anyone else hoping to see TD's final/ex boss as some sort of necromancer? Hell, even more undead characters that aren't ghosts would be nice...Hmm, a skeleton might be a bit hard to do, a zombie would be rudundant with a Jiang-shi, vampires have already been done... Huh. I can't actually think of any non-ghosty undead to be included. o_O

@Drizvolta: Really, at the end of the day, they're the same thing.:smalltongue: