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Valfrid
2011-03-27, 07:15 PM
So, I made a BBEG, and folloing the rules of non-associated class levels, NPC wealth by level, etc, it has a CR of 11. I ask you, how does this compare to other CR 11 creatures? Does it deserve to be bumped up?



Talgarth the Grim CR 11
Magic-Blooded Gargoyle Vampire Sorcerer 8/Monk 1
LE Medium Undead (Augmented Monstrous Humanoid)
Init +10; Senses Darkvision 60ft, Listen +18, Spot +18
Languages Common, Elven


AC 37 touch 23 flat-footed 31; Dodge
(+7 monk, +4 armor*, +6 dexterity, +10 natural)
*Mage Armor already cast
hp 84 (13HD); DR 10/magic and silver Fast Healing 5
Immune Undead Immunities
Resist Acid, Cold 10;
Fort +5, Ref +16, Will +12
Weakness Sun, Wooden Stakes, Holy Symbols



Speed 40ft (8 squares); fly speed 60ft (average)
Melee Unarmed Strike +14 (1d8+1d4+1d6 acid+12) or
Melee Unarmed Strike +12/+12 (1d8+1d4+1d6 acid+13) and Claw +10/+10 (1d4+1d6 acid+7) and Bite +10 (1d6+6) and Gore +10 (1d6+6) and Slam +10 (1d6+6)
Space 5ft.; Reach 5ft.
Base Atk +8; Grp +14
Atk options Blood Drain, Energy Drain w/Life Drain, Stunning Fist 4/day (DC16 Fort), Ascetic Monk (Sac spell, +spell lv atk+dmg on attacks for 1 round)
Special Actions Children of the Night, Dominate, Create Spawn, Alternate Form, Gaseous Cloud
Sorcerer Spells (CL 12th, DC 16+spell level) 6/7*/8/6/4
4th-Evard’s Black Tentacles
3rd-Fireball, Major Image
2nd- Invisibility, Fog Cloud, Scorching Ray
1st- Mage Armor (*already cast once), Silent Image, Blood Wind, Disguise Self, Magic Missile
0- Detect Magic, Read Magic, Dancing Lights, Ghost Sound, Open/Close, Prestidigitation, Caltrops, Mage Hand


Abilities: Str 23, Dex 22, Con -, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 22
SQ Freeze, Damage Reduction, Fast Healing, Spider Climb, Turn Resistance
Feats Alertness, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Multiattack, Life Drain, Practiced Spellcaster, Ascetic Mage, Claw-Fist Style, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist
Skills Bluff +13, Spot +18, Listen +18, Hide +15, Move Silently +15, Search +8, Sense Motive +8, Spellcraft +8, Concentration +13
Possessions Fanged Ring, Headband of Conscious Effort, Cloak of Elemental Protection w/ Charisma +2, Amulet of Natural Attacks (claws, +1 acidic), 2 scrolls of teleport

Freeze (Ex) A gargoyle can hold itself so still it appears to be a statue. An observer must succeed on a DC 20 Spot check to notice the gargoyle is really alive.

Blood Drain (Ex) A vampire can suck blood from a living victim with its fangs by making a successful grapple check. If it pins the foe, it drains blood, dealing 1d4 points of Constitution drain each round the pin is maintained. On each such suc-cessful attack, the vampire gains 5 temporary hit points.
Children of the Night (Su) Vampires command the lesser creatures of the world and once per day can call forth 1d6+1 rat swarms, 1d4+1 bat swarms, or a pack of 3d6 wolves as a standard action. (If the base creature is not terrestrial, this power might summon other creatures of similar power.) These creatures arrive in 2d6 rounds and serve the vampire for up to 1 hour.

Dominate (Su) A vampire can crush an opponent’s will just by looking onto his or her eyes. This is similar to a gaze attack, except that the vampire must use a standard action, and those merely looking at it are not affected. Anyone the vampire targets must succeed on a Will save or fall instantly under the vampire’s influence as though by a dominate person spell (caster level 12th). The ability has a range of 30 feet.

Create Spawn (Su) A humanoid or monstrous humanoid slain by a vampire’s energy drain rises as a vampire spawn 1d4 days after burial.
If the vampire instead drains the victim’s Constitution to 0 or lower, the victim returns as a spawn if it had 4 or less HD and as a vampire if it had 5 or more HD. In either case, the new vampire or spawn is under the command of the vampire that created it and remains enslaved until its master’s destruction. At any given time a vampire may have enslaved spawn total-ing no more than twice its own Hit Dice; any spawn it creates that would exceed this limit are created as free-willed vam-pires or vampire spawn. A vampire that is enslaved may create and enslave spawn of its own, so a master vampire can control a number of lesser vampires in this fashion. A vampire may voluntarily free an enslaved spawn in order to enslave a new spawn, but once freed, a vampire or vampire spawn cannot be enslaved again.

Energy Drain (Su) Living creatures hit by a vampire’s slam attack (or any other natural weapon the vampire might possess) gain two negative levels. For each negative level bestowed, the vampire gains 5 temporary hit points. A vampire can use its energy drain ability once per round.

Alternate Form (Su) A vampire can assume the shape of a bat, dire bat, wolf, or dire wolf as a standard action. While in its alternate form, the vampire loses its natural slam attack and dominate ability, but it gains the natural weapons and extraordinary special attacks of its new form. It can remain in that form until it assumes another or until the next sunrise. (If the base creature is not terrestrial, this power might allow other forms.)

Damage Reduction (Su) A vampire has damage reduction 10/silver and magic. A vampire’s natural weapons are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Fast Healing (Ex)A vampire heals 5 points of damage each round so long as it has at least 1 hit point. If reduced to 0 hit points in combat, it automatically assumes gaseous form and attempts to escape. It must reach its coffin home within 2 hours or be utterly destroyed. (It can travel up to nine miles in 2 hours.) Any additional damage dealt to a vampire forced into gaseous form has no effect. Once at rest in its coffin, a vampire is helpless. It regains 1 hit point after 1 hour, then is no longer helpless and resumes healing at the rate of 5 hit points per round.

Gaseous Form (Su) As a standard action, a vampire can assume gaseous form at will as the spell (caster level 5th), but it can remain gaseous indefinitely and has a fly speed of 20 feet with perfect maneuverability.

Spider Climb (Ex) A vampire can climb sheer surfaces as though with a spider climb spell.

Turn Resistance (Ex) A vampire has +4 turn resistance.



Note that the feat 'Claw-Fist style' is actually a feat from a dragon magazing that tacks claw damage onto unarmed strikes. I just didn't remember the real name of it.

Eldariel
2011-03-27, 08:07 PM
Well, quick look at CR 11 monsters from the SRD:
Hezrou (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#hezrou)
Barbed Devil (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/devil.htm#barbedDevilHamatula)
Devourer (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/devourer.htm)
Elder Elemental (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/elemental.htm) (all)
Cloud Giant (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/giant.htm#cloudGiant)
Stone Golem (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/golem.htm#stoneGolem)
Twelve-Headed Hydra (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/hydra.htm) (& 10-headed pyro & cryohydra)
Colossal Fiendish Monstrous Centipede (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousCentipede.htm)
Colossal Monstrous Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm)
Cauchemar Nightmare (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/nightmare.htm)
Retriever (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#retriever)
Dread Wraith (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/wraith.htm)

He's a Gish so most of those aren't really comparable due to being brawlers, but the Evil Outsiders are quite close. Comparing it to Hezrou, its offense is approximately the same, its HP is massively worse, its AC is far superior, it has poor Fort (but that's not that big a deal), lacks Spell Resistance but has undead immunities and a bigger variety of less impressive spells.

Overall, I'd say he's about similar to a Hezrou; your BBEG's offense is very lacking, not being physically least bit threatening and only posing modest magical offense (it is worth remembering that a Gray Elf Wizard 11 could be wreaking havoc with 6th level spells already, at similar or even higher DCs). He's very hard to hit physically without disarming his magic first but if you do land a hit, he goes down very quickly. More importantly, he's very vulnerable to magic; Disintegrate could very easily one-shot him for example. The vampire summons are nothing compared to the demon summons but much more reliable. The Domination can provide some underlings and obviously be very useful in non-direct combat.

I'd say he's around CR 10-11, yeah. Quite good against physical adversaries but unfortunately casters are the bigger threat anyways and his defenses, outside respectable undead immunities and Touch AC, are somewhat lacking on that front. Really though, it sort of would depend on the party composition. He's very much the sort of adversary that's way easier for casters than martial types.