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2011-03-27, 09:18 PM

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term1nally s1ck

2011-03-27, 09:21 PM

FIRST!

But yeah, do people still use IE a lot? Or is a Bloods and BC now.

Darth Mario

2011-03-27, 09:24 PM

FIRST!

But yeah, do people still use IE a lot? Or is a Bloods and BC now.

IE is still most efficient for straight damage to most champions, so it still sees PLENTY of play. There's just a little more choice nowadays.

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-27, 09:26 PM

IE is still most efficient for straight damage to most champions, so it still sees PLENTY of play. There's just a little more choice nowadays.

Exactly. Personally, I tend to skip it, but others swear by it. Which is a good place for it to be, balance-wise. :smallbiggrin:

toasty

2011-03-27, 09:26 PM

FIRST!

But yeah, do people still use IE a lot? Or is a Bloods and BC now.

IE is best on Ashe and Tristana, Black Cleaver is good on Corki. Bloodthirster is good on pretty much everyone but requires lots of farm. I like it on Nocturne for massive Lifesteal.

Silverraptor

2011-03-27, 09:29 PM

I love the title you chose Djinn!:smallbiggrin: Also, could you post a download link for mumble in the first post under teamspeak?

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-27, 09:31 PM

I love the title you chose Djinn!:smallbiggrin: Also, could you post a download link for mumble in the first post under teamspeak?

I'll get around to it, sure. :smallbiggrin:

Prplcheez

2011-03-27, 09:32 PM

IE is best on Ashe and Tristana, Black Cleaver is good on Corki. Bloodthirster is good on pretty much everyone but requires lots of farm. I like it on Nocturne for massive Lifesteal.

Bloodthirster is my third major item on Nocturne, after Wriggle's and Manamune.

As for Guinsoo's Rageblade, I think it has a decent place with Hybrid Yi. He can get it stacked up pretty quickly using the attack speed boost from his ultimate and he makes good use of all of the stats it gives.

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-27, 09:34 PM

Bloodthirster is my third major item on Nocturne, after Wriggle's and Manamune.

GahWHAT? Why Manamune, of all things? If you need mana, pick up a Banshee's Veil and become extra tanky, and have 2 spell-shields.

Moonshadow

2011-03-27, 10:10 PM

oh, I guess you can add me to the forum list thing.

I'm Brosona on LoL, NA server. Friend of mine told me that I have to call myself Brosona, so I did :P Yay for Fembros, I guess. Though, it does make it interesting when people say "bros b4 hos" though... how does it work in my case? :smalltongue:

Errandir

2011-03-27, 10:16 PM

Huh, CLG busy getting stomped by TSM at the moment. This is fairly unexpected. Letting SoloMid get Janna/Zilean seems to have really hurt. :smallconfused:

Flechair

2011-03-27, 10:23 PM

GahWHAT? Why Manamune, of all things? If you need mana, pick up a Banshee's Veil and become extra tanky, and have 2 spell-shields.

Not to mention a lot of Nocturne's are jungle, so they'd have blue. But is it just me or is Jungle Nocturne unimpressive? I dunno, it just feels like they keep adding champs with some kind of life regain passive, or skill that has some lifesteal.. *cough* Nocturne, Xin Zhao, Irelia. They just don't compete well with some of the other junglers.

Also.. I said this in the other thread. I hadn't refreshed in like an hour, so I didn't realize we were on page 51.

I don't know how good of a build it is, but for Ashe, I usually go for a build that looks like Boots of Swiftness, IE, Phantom Dancer, Black Cleaver, Last Whisper **.

For my last item I might get a Starrks, a bloodthirster, or a banshee's viel. In most cases I get a BV, but if no one on my team got a Starrks, and I have been getting fed, I'll go for it. Blood thirster's nice for more AD and lifesteal, but really I go BV most of the time.

The reason I brought Last Whisper up specifically is because Ashe tends to stay in the fight, in the back, going for whoever over-extends, she doesn't charge out of the bushes like.. Jax, Yi, Xin, Olaf- people that use Ghostblade all the time. I think LW fits her style better. She doesn't fight for ONLY eight seconds.

I'm no pro ashe though. :smalleek:

toasty

2011-03-27, 10:33 PM

Huh, CLG busy getting stomped by TSM at the moment. This is fairly unexpected. Letting SoloMid get Janna/Zilean seems to have really hurt. :smallconfused:

Holy **** that was awesome. :smallbiggrin:

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-27, 10:33 PM

Not to mention a lot of Nocturne's are jungle, so they'd have blue. But is it just me or is Jungle Nocturne unimpressive? I dunno, it just feels like they keep adding champs with some kind of life regain passive, or skill that has some lifesteal.. *cough* Nocturne, Xin Zhao, Irelia. They just don't compete well with some of the other junglers.

A good jungle Nocturne is an INCREDIBLE thing, and his jungle isn't bad if someone leashes Blue for him. He's actually really versatile (as he's also a good laner), so he can both cover and gank extremely well.

I'd rather have him that many traditional junglers.

Eldariel

2011-03-27, 10:33 PM

Heh, I look forward to hearing Hotshot's explanation on why they lost :smallbiggrin: That was quite the epic bashing. There was a slight chance of comeback for CLG until Doublelift managed to get caught next to Baron. And since then it spiraled out rapidly with Doublelift caught over and over; Taric isn't well-suited for mobile fights and escaping.

Janna/Zile really wreaked havoc too, making the fed carries impossible to kill. Notably, Janna negated Jarvan's ability to focus down people and Zile negated a kill a fight.

Math_Mage

2011-03-27, 10:34 PM

Huh, CLG busy getting stomped by TSM at the moment. This is fairly unexpected. Letting SoloMid get Janna/Zilean seems to have really hurt. :smallconfused:

FP Trundle, so pro.

CLG's hurting for the lack of Elementz/Kobe this tourney. Making Bigfatlp solo Kass against Chaox's Irelia also took its toll, but roaming Doublelift on Taric really couldn't carry his own weight.

toasty

2011-03-27, 10:40 PM

FP Trundle, so pro.

CLG's hurting for the lack of Elementz/Kobe this tourney. Making Bigfatlp solo Kass against Chaox's Irelia also took its toll, but roaming Doublelift on Taric really couldn't carry his own weight.

Is Kobe really that good? I remember watching them play without him and I thought they played fine. Not having elementz... yeah, that probably hurt them.

Draken

2011-03-27, 10:40 PM

I feel quite the opposite. The majority of lane nocturnes I see do not measure up to jungle nocturnes, unless they are laning against complete fools.

As per the rules, of course. My lane nocturne team mates never met complete fools in their own lanes. Enemy lane nocturnes, however, do meet complete fools in their lanes.

Todasmile

2011-03-27, 10:42 PM

Hey, everyone. New to post, but have been a lurker for about two threads. Been playing for a few months, am around level 17. In game name Todas. NA server.

Anyways, the reason I posted is to ask a very simple question that has been nagging me for a while. I heard that Eve was an amazing jungler, but that they nerfed it badly. My question is whether or not she can still jungle efficiently enough to be considered over Lane Eve.

If so, what builds would you use? What route? Is jungling even effective at my level of play?

I'd love an answer to this, as Eve's probably in my top five favorite champs.

Eldariel

2011-03-27, 10:43 PM

CLG's hurting for the lack of Elementz/Kobe this tourney. Making Bigfatlp solo Kass against Chaox's Irelia also took its toll, but roaming Doublelift on Taric really couldn't carry his own weight.

Doublelift even admits he has no clue as to how to play Taric. That kinda showed, to be honest; he wasn't really in on the game. Hell, he had wards he didn't plant and all that good stuff.

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-27, 10:44 PM

If so, what builds would you use? What route? Is jungling even effective at my level of play?

I'd love an answer to this, as Eve's probably in my top five favorite champs.

If Jungle Eve is still viable (and I suspect she is, although it MIGHT require a leash on Blue), you'd probably need runes and masteries that, at level 17, you don't possess (and shouldn't have until at least 20, when you get Tier 3). :smallfrown:

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-27, 10:44 PM

You need max level to jungle eve well. I have to have a specific runeset and a specific mastery build, and revive smite to do it well.

Errandir

2011-03-27, 10:45 PM

Doublelift even admits he has no clue as to how to play Taric. That kinda showed, to be honest; he wasn't really in on the game. Hell, he had wards he didn't plant and all that good stuff.

Yep, I think Elementz is generally their roaming player, isn't he? I've seen him play Taric / Alistar a couple times before, anyway. Just seemed like Doublelift didn't fill that role as well.

Math_Mage

2011-03-27, 10:52 PM

Double doesn't understand roaming. Even when he's Blitz, he usually sits around in lane and wins there. Self-admitted one-trick pony.

Manyreason on stream afterwards: "The result of this day is that DoubleLift is considered a noob." :smallamused:

Flechair

2011-03-27, 11:02 PM

Well I guess I can see Nocturne jungling than Akali. :smallamused:

And his ultimate makes up for a lot. If you're pushed at all, and his ult pops, it's the scariest thing ever.

Volatar

2011-03-27, 11:08 PM

I love the title you chose Djinn!:smallbiggrin: Also, could you post a download link for mumble in the first post under teamspeak?

I also recommend switching it to "here's our Mumble server, you may also find us on our Teamspeak server if mumble is down."

toasty

2011-03-27, 11:42 PM

Something I find funny: It seems to me that SK gaming, despite having 3 germans and 1 swiss on it are a lot more relaxed than TSM in their teamchat. Regi often is basically shouting at his team (and not that this is a bad thing, but yeah... that's their playstyle). SK is a lot more "relaxed" in how they communicate and work as a team.

Arcanoi

2011-03-27, 11:58 PM

Well I guess I can see Nocturne jungling than Akali. :smallamused:

And his ultimate makes up for a lot. If you're pushed at all, and his ult pops, it's the scariest thing ever.

Hell, you don't even need to be pushed up. Nocturne is probably one of the best gankers in the game. I'd actually rate him above Udyr, due to his Ult and W. He rarely even needs his Ult to gank. His Ult is just insurance, generally. The sheer power of his ganks is the main reason I think he's headed for nerftown sometime soon.

Zeful

2011-03-28, 12:04 AM

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 12:18 AM

Flechair

2011-03-28, 01:15 AM

Having come back to LoL after a hiatus because the game had stopped being fun/being effectively rooted to one playstyle, I've picked up Akali... but I really haven't played anything like her before, so I've got no idea what to do at all. Any tips on Build, Runes, Masteries or even just general playstyle would be greatly appreciated, because I'm getting pretty tired of tanking.

Westrice is great, thank you Math_Mage.

But yeah, I main Akali, and I can say that Westrice knows what he's talking about. I actually just ran across his guide a few days ago, and I thought that I wrote it in my sleep.

Without looking at his guide though, I'll tell you mine.

Runes
AD red
APperlvl yellow
AP blues
AP or HP Quints (I generally use the AP ones)

Masteries
I do this a bit different than Westrice. I go 15/0/15.
Making sure to get all 3 point in the AD increase and the 15% magic pen. In utility, I go for buff duration increase, experience, and movement speed. Don't ask me why, I just prefer it.

Note: with these Runes and Masteries you will have both starting marks, actually about 25-30 AP without items.

Items
To start, I generally go:
-Amp tome + 1pot
but
-Boots of speed + 1pot is still reasonable.
(my build doesn't tend to change much but..)
when I first B to well I try to get
-hextech revolver + sorc boots/merc treads
then I rush Rylai's (you need it chase people down, the slow is amazing, and the AP)
then I build up a Sheen generally
then Rabadon's Deathcap

The last item can change up.
If they have a lot of magres- Void staff
If they have a lot of AP and some magres -Void staff
If they have a fed yi- Hourglass, aaaaand good luck in a 1v1.
If they have a malzahar that loves ulting you, QSS.
hell, I've gone FoN..

Excluding last item, my build generally ends up being H. Gunblade, Sorc Boots, Rylai's, Lich Bane, and Rabadon's. It works well.

Skill order: R>Q>W+E
if the enemy team has a karthus or fiddlesticks, I tend to focus W over E though.

General Gameplay
Akali is, like Westrice calls her, an anti-carry. Her Job is to ruin a carry's day. Someone, like Olaf, with a Frozen Mallet is NOT who you should be attacking. Ashe, Tristana, TF, Yi, etc. Even mage-nukes are targets of Akali, but remember she is a nuke also, so be careful dashing at an Annie with stun up.

If you take flash, you can probably land an early kill with Akali, but I generally run Teleport. (I can't tell you how many times I've stopped a gank because I appeared out of nowhere and killed the person(s) chasing my teammate.) So I usually play it safe pre-level 6 as akali. Last hitting, and harassing with my Q, don't forget, it does quite a bit of damage just to hit them! Once I hit level six I look for opportunities to jump on someone to kill them, but if they don't present themselves, I'll wait until I hit lvl 7. Once 7, I have all three ult charges and have my fourth point in Mark of the Assassin, it's usually about then, that someone dies.

and I think I kinda know what I'm saying about Akali..
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1756/akalid.jpg

If that wasn't helpful enough, I could probably try to actually write up a real guide thing. :smallamused:

Arbitrarity

2011-03-28, 01:59 AM

Zach's love of Jungle Yi suddenly seems eminently justified in my mind.

Prplcheez

2011-03-28, 03:56 AM

GahWHAT? Why Manamune, of all things? If you need mana, pick up a Banshee's Veil and become extra tanky, and have 2 spell-shields.

Banshee's Veil isn't good in every game. I play in fairly low Elo in normal games so I usually play against terrible team comps. Most have very little cc and very little magic damage. That, and while the max mana is nice, it only helps until I spend it, then I have to go back to base to get it back. I'm going to be giving blue to my supports and mages by the time I get Manamune, so I won't have it all the time, meaning I need the mana regen to stay out for as long as I can.

Also, Manamune gives 60 AD for 2000 gold, so it's very cost efficient.

And even more, it works for me, so I really don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

Faulty

2011-03-28, 06:55 AM

Some of us still use the UK mumble server. Can we get that info in the OP?

Dogmantra

2011-03-28, 07:39 AM

And even more, it works for me, so I really don't care what anyone else thinks about it.
New favourite person.

Some of us still use the UK mumble server. Can we get that info in the OP?
That's the server info that's already there.

Faulty

2011-03-28, 08:09 AM

I didn't notice it because I thought that was all just team speak info.

Maybe add a bolded title?

Arcanoi

2011-03-28, 10:56 AM

Banshee's Veil isn't good in every game. I play in fairly low Elo in normal games so I usually play against terrible team comps. Most have very little cc and very little magic damage.

Which means you should be learning good habits now, when you won't be painfully punished for it.

That, and while the max mana is nice, it only helps until I spend it, then I have to go back to base to get it back. I'm going to be giving blue to my supports and mages by the time I get Manamune, so I won't have it all the time, meaning I need the mana regen to stay out for as long as I can.

Nocturne doesn't need mana regen. Between not laning (You're not laning, right?), your blue, and their blue (You're learning when to invade their jungle, right? Nocturne is very good at this.) you shouldn't have any mana problems unless there's some sort of prolonged poke-fight happening mid.

Also, Manamune gives 60 AD for 2000 gold, so it's very cost efficient.

2000 gold that could and should be most of your (first) Bloodthirster.

And even more, it works for me[...]

It's going to stop working for you if you advance to higher levels of play. We're trying to help you become a better player.

toasty

2011-03-28, 01:26 PM

So here's a question: Why is trinity force a good item? Especially on DPS types. People recommend it on Nasus. Now, I understand why Nasus wants a Sheen, especially because of his Q. But is Trinity Force really good? Like, on Nasus, why not just build more Tanky, or more Damage? Trinity force has always struck me as an item that is a lot of semi-useful stuff, and is combined to create a equally semi-useful, but extremely expensive item. If I want Frozen Mallet, I'll get Frozen Mallet. If I want Phantom Dancer, I'll get Phantom Dancer.

It seems to me that a better build would be this:
Boots+Three Health pots (or 2HP, 1 mana pot... i'll work that out)
Sheen
Merc Treads
Aegis
Ghostblade

Adumbration

2011-03-28, 01:27 PM

<3 Jungle Nocturne. I haven't had 14/0 kind of scores with any other champ since low levels - but then again, I don't usually play ad carries.

One question though: is Nocturne's global's teleport thingie global too? I've occasionally failed to port to enemy champs from longer distances.

So here's a question: Why is trinity force a good item? Especially on DPS types. People recommend it on Nasus. Now, I understand why Nasus wants a Sheen, especially because of his Q. But is Trinity Force really good? Like, on Nasus, why not just build more Tanky, or more Damage? Trinity force has always struck me as an item that is a lot of semi-useful stuff, and is combined to create a equally semi-useful, but extremely expensive item. If I want Frozen Mallet, I'll get Frozen Mallet. If I want Phantom Dancer, I'll get Phantom Dancer.

It seems to me that a better build would be this:
Boots+Three Health pots (or 2HP, 1 mana pot... i'll work that out)
Sheen
Merc Treads
Aegis
Ghostblade

1) Trinity Force's sheen proc is significantly better than Sheen.
2) Cost-effectiveness. Phage to Frozen mallet is significantly costlier than Phage to TF, considering other benefits you gain.
3) Slot-effectiveness. Trinity Force takes 1 slot, Frozen Mallet, Phantom Dancer and Sheen take 3.
4) Getting Phantom Dancer and Frozen Mallet is an overkill, and by the time you'd get them, you've already had TF and you're building another major item.

Nasus can be built in a lot of different ways. Personally I don't see much point in Ghostblade, considering the majority of your damage will come from Siphon strike, not auto-attacks, but I guess it'd work.

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 01:28 PM

Nope, has a huge range but isn't global. If you look, you can see the range boundary.

Adumbration

2011-03-28, 01:35 PM

Nope, has a huge range but isn't global. If you look, you can see the range boundary.

Vagaries of using smart cast, I suppose. I'll have to look it up.

EDIT:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7355/over9000qn.jpg

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 02:05 PM

toasty

2011-03-28, 02:12 PM

Always experiment, of course. But if you've already built Sheen, it's cheaper to finish Trinity Force than to build a full Mallet (about the same cost as finishing Ghostblade, for that matter), and you get better stats out of the deal.

I had a long post ready and then I saw this. This is actually a pretty good reason. :smalltongue:

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 02:15 PM

Because it is extremely efficient. Seriously, Triforce is one of the most cost-effective items in the game. It has more stats than it costs even before factoring in the slow and the proc.

Joran

2011-03-28, 02:35 PM

Westrice made a guide. It is good. (http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=8)

(There's also his old guide (http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/topic/5029-westrices-akali-guide/), which has somewhat less restrictive runing.)

Stupid custom runepages. I'm trying very hard not to buy a fourth rune page, but I just bought Akali with some RP I had lying around for Japan.

I guess I'll try her out at some point. Do people think she's easier or harder to play than Kassadin?

Silverraptor

2011-03-28, 02:39 PM

Vagaries of using smart cast, I suppose. I'll have to look it up.

EDIT:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7355/over9000qn.jpg

Awesome screenshot.:smallcool:

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 02:44 PM

Adumbration

2011-03-28, 02:45 PM

Astrella

2011-03-28, 02:45 PM

Lux is also a great roamer.

Dralnu

2011-03-28, 02:46 PM

I guess I'll try her out at some point. Do people think she's easier or harder to play than Kassadin?

I'd say about the same. Both do their RQE combo, rinse repeat. She's much better than him before the level 6 benchmark (especially with runes) and even for a while longer IMO, since Kassadin needs his blue buffs and items to fix his sluggish mana. I think she has a weaker lategame though and Oracles really hurts, while Kassadin is always an easy escape and his debuffs give team utility even if he doesn't do as insane burst.

If I want to pubstomp, I'd pick Akali.

Dogmantra

2011-03-28, 02:50 PM

Anyone else?

Any stealth characters, if you're laning. Roaming Eve is pretty much the way to play if you don't wanna mess around with tons of runes and masteries and probably Revive or Heal.

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 02:54 PM

Nunu is too good a jungler to use as a roamer, and Lux is way too farm dependent tbh.

To roam, you need to be:

A) good without many items. You won't get much gold this way.
and
B) Have good CC allowing you to gank well.

For Roaming, it's nearly identical to playing a ganking jungler, only there's a few other things to remember. You get XP by leeching off of lanes, so learning which bushes you get XP in or not is important.

You will have to cover lanes when needed, and you will have to gank nearly constantly. Also, a 21 in utility for the extra summoner spells and movespeed is almost required. Start with boots 1 and a few pots, and sit in your bush in top lane. Make sure your teammate lets the lane push a little bit, and then start the pain.

Basically, your job is to shore up any lanes that are struggling. You'll spend a lot of time helping the 1v2 at bot, so make sure top is a very strong laner, cos you'll struggle to get there.

EDIT: EVE! Oh wow. Gotta try that out...

toasty

2011-03-28, 02:57 PM

Nunu, probably?

Hmm. Is there any good guide to roaming, by the way?

I play Nunu as a counter-jungle focused hero, which is kinda roaming. Get blue, gank enemy red, recall, gank lane, recall, get red, gank enemy blue, recall. Etc.

Dralnu

2011-03-28, 02:59 PM

I'd say Alistar is my favorite roamer. I used him for this last time he was free. That guy does not need items. I mean, his moves scale real well with AP, but whatever. Anywhere an enemy champ pushes his lane too hard, flash in, stun, punt into your ally/tower/both, profit. Rinse repeat. Oh noes, team fight and you don't have tank gear? Pfft, whatever. Ult, 75% damage reduction, waltz in, stun, punt, profit.

I don't roam much, but when I do, I pick the bull. :smallamused:

Joran

2011-03-28, 02:59 PM

Flowcharts on how to play some champions:

1) How to play Vladimir:

http://gyazo.com/a9354fc88f7bafcecfdd2a7d890c903b.png

2) How to play Singed:

http://gyazo.com/a56b07b2cbca77d27600cc4ba0b32b80.png

3) How to play Mundo:

http://gyazo.com/b81a04d596d8d32af3a54911e1c1faa1.png

4) How to play Sion:

http://gyazo.com/819d5971ba41c8d08b9f417486167500.png

5) How to play Garen:

http://gyazo.com/37d9f03c68e65c6e21fa755fa46cc601.png

Grossly inaccurate though. I hide in the bush, then silence, THEN SPIN. The silence is key, so they can't use any escape abilities or summoner spells.
6) How to play Pantheon:

http://gyazo.com/03ce1f09f4b6d85b727c90035b1dfd9c.png

Finally, ULTIMATE BRAVERY: http://giantfunny.com/ultimate_bravery.php

I got Character: Karma
Summoner Spell 1: Ignite
Summoner Spell 2: Exhaust

Boots: Berserker's Greaves

Item 1: Phantom Dancer
Item 2: Nashor's Tooth
Item 3: Abyssal Scepter
Item 4: Wit's End
Item 5: Frozen Mallet

Good thing I don't own Karma =P

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 03:41 PM

Yay! Broke 1700 in ranked, and in a suitably awesome game too! Finally, in top 1000 :smallbiggrin:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1280/1700z.png

Btw, this also showcases the power of gold/5 items nicely; both me and Shen had two HoGs for most of the game putting us quite near the carries with their double digit kills and superior farm in terms of gold. That extra 2000-2500 or so is nice (and allowed Soraka to stay ahead of Zile in spite of Zile having like 80 creeps more to Soraka's 2 kills):
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5786/goldearned.png

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 03:44 PM

Saw a thread on the forums brainstorming all-female teams. Main limiting factors are tank and jungler. Not many female champions for either role.

Tank:
Morgana
??? (Karma, Annie, Irelia, Janna)

Ranged Carry:
Ashe
Tristana
Sivir
Caitlyn
Miss Fortune

Mage:
Anivia
Lux
LeBlanc
Akali
Katarina
Annie
Cassiopeia

Support:
Sona
Janna
Karma
Soraka

Other:
Kayle
Irelia
Poppy
Nidalee
Evelynn

A couple possible lineups:
#1:
Tristana mid
Morgana top
Irelia jungle
Lux bot
Janna bot/roam

Trist instead of Ashe due to plenty of CC and lack of late-game damage. Morgana top instead of Lux due to greater farm dependence (Morg needs tankiness and some AP; Lux only needs the AP, and Mejai's goes a long way to covering that).

#2:
Anivia mid
Irelia top
Akali jungle
Ashe bot
Janna bot

EU-style putting the carry bot. Team has plenty of CC, but Irelia is the only real beef. Building Janna support tank could help.

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 03:52 PM

*snip*

You don't strictly need a tank as long as you have initiation. I'd almost consider a double support team with like Nidalee/Anivia/Irelia/Ashe/Janna or so (possibly Soraka over Janna for even more straight healing); incredibly strong poking team with Ashe's imba initiation and y'know, the whole AniviaUndoesYourTeam factor going on for it.

And Janna provides anti-initiation for sustained poking along with the insane slow/CC suite of Anivia and Ashe making the team just a pain to nail down. Nid's top, Anivia mid, Ashe/Janna bot, Irelia jungles. Seems about the best you could do since you don't want to direct fight on equal footing that much anyways so have Janna to negate those initiations and the teamcomp focused around maintaining your distance and making life a living hell for the opposition.

Volatar

2011-03-28, 04:45 PM

Oh god. Roaming. So good.

I just played a ranked game as roaming blitz. 1-0-4 by the 10 min mark, finished 2-8-18.

So, which champs are great for roaming. Off the top of my head, I can think of Janna, Taric, Alistar, Blitz, and Poppy. Anyone else?

Annie is amazing as a roamer. First time I actually saw an Annie past my time in the lower levels was a Prom Queen Annie that was roaming all over the place. She was amazing, and inspired me to try the same thing. I haven't succeeded like she did (and haven't seen many Annies since, and no roaming onces) but I feel that eventually I can figure out how to do it right, and singlehandedly destroy teams like that one did.

It's also some of the most fun I have ever had in LoL.

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 04:51 PM

Faulty

2011-03-28, 04:55 PM

I'm quite comfortable with my recent matches.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9362/colonthree.jpg

The Kayle game was a 100% support team.

toasty

2011-03-28, 04:56 PM

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 05:00 PM

testing in a coop game. We'll see how this goes...

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 05:02 PM

high base damage, lowish AP ratios.....hmm hmm HMM.

I like. But how do ya get the stun ready each time when you ain't farming minions? I guess 2 first for the first gank, level q at 2 and grab some q last hits before leaving each lane....iiinteresting.

Incin can also be cast without targets. But generally roamers need to stick to lanes for a while to get levels anyways. And if e.g. enemy wraiths are open, that's a bunch of good targets right there; you deny their jungler some XP and gold by killing even just one, and get some yourself, and charge up your stun.

Note that Nunu isn't really bad for this either; he's a good jungler but not the best and if roaming, he can do some counterjungling while at it, while having some of the best early ganks (permaslow on level 1!) and the ability to heal by eating a creep every now and then minimizing the need for basing. And it's not like Nunu scaled all that well with items anyways.

toasty

2011-03-28, 05:10 PM

Finally, ULTIMATE BRAVERY: http://giantfunny.com/ultimate_bravery.php

I demand that we organize a GitP game where everyone uses this website! :smallbiggrin:

DrScientist

2011-03-28, 05:10 PM

Yeah, that actually could make sense.

Yeah, sure it does. Good job, stan man. What else do you know?

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 05:12 PM

Finally, ULTIMATE BRAVERY: http://giantfunny.com/ultimate_bravery.php

Wtf. It gave me something half-reasonable:
Tryndamere with Fortify, Ghost, Boots of Swiftness, Soul Shroud, Kage's Lucky Pick, Haunting Guise, Frozen Mallet and Trinity Force

I mean, Ghost is a good summoner, speed's nice on Trynd and you even have a damage item in Triforce there! And Frozen Mallet isn't the worst either. And Kage's is a gold/5. WTTTTFFFFF! I demand a repick.

Prplcheez

2011-03-28, 05:21 PM

It's going to stop working for you if you advance to higher levels of play. We're trying to help you become a better player.

Frankly, I don't care enough to advance to higher levels of play. I'm better than pretty much everyone I play with, so if that means being at low elo and playing with bad players, I'm happy for now.

All about having fun with the game.

toasty

2011-03-28, 05:25 PM

Frankly, I don't care enough to advance to higher levels of play. I'm better than pretty much everyone I play with, so if that means being at low elo and playing with bad players, I'm happy for now.

All about having fun with the game.

And no offense to you, but to be honest then the majority of the advice you are going to end up giving out is going to be at the very least somewhat inaccurate because its based off of the experiences you have had playing as a "bad" player with other "bad" players. In addition this the majority of the information/advice we give out is applicable to... you know... higher levels of play. I realize most people aren't concerned with all of that, but a lot of us are.

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 05:43 PM

Incin can also be cast without targets. But generally roamers need to stick to lanes for a while to get levels anyways. And if e.g. enemy wraiths are open, that's a bunch of good targets right there; you deny their jungler some XP and gold by killing even just one, and get some yourself, and charge up your stun.

Note that Nunu isn't really bad for this either; he's a good jungler but not the best and if roaming, he can do some counterjungling while at it, while having some of the best early ganks (permaslow on level 1!) and the ability to heal by eating a creep every now and then minimizing the need for basing. And it's not like Nunu scaled all that well with items anyways.

Yeah, I did the inci first trick. Worked pretty well. 16-3 annie at 15 mins is fun, and the ganking was INSANE.

Nunu is the best jungler right now. Fast, uninterruptable, and has time to mess with their jungle which he does VERY well.

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 05:50 PM

Nunu is the best jungler right now. Fast, uninterruptable, and has time to mess with their jungle which he does VERY well.

I disagree. He's a good jungle but he doesn't bring the anti-CC utility of Olaf nor the massive initiation prowess of Amumu. He also lacks the single-target shutting power of WW and the ganks of Udyr and Rammus. Neither does he provide tremendous amounts of DPS; basically, he doesn't scale all that well.

Nunu jungles incredibly well but picking Nunu to jungle has the opportunity cost of not having champions with more team utility jungle instead. Further, while Nunu is indeed a very strong jungler with strong jungle invasion and high jungle resiliency, he's not the only champion with those traits. Udyr can jungle extremely safely, for example, and invade just as hard, with a stun instead of a slow in the mix.

Which jungle is the best really depends on the team compositions, especially the opposing team. That and I don't think there's a clearcut #1 choice; there's a plenty of strong junglers with various upsides & downsides and Nunu doesn't really outshine the competition. He matches up nicely, especially in more early game-focused team, but isn't invariably the best.

Frankelshtein

2011-03-28, 05:56 PM

Finally, ULTIMATE BRAVERY: http://giantfunny.com/ultimate_bravery.php

I think I won the generator.

Character: Karma
Summoner Spell 1: Heal
Summoner Spell 2: Smite

Boots: Ninja Tabi

Item 1: Thornmail
Item 2: Void Staff
Item 3: Aegis of the Legion
Item 4: Guardian Angel
Item 5: Phage

Now I need to try Jungle/Tank Karma in an actual game :smallbiggrin:

Dogmantra

2011-03-28, 06:05 PM

Man I love it when the guys who talk crap are terrible.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll78/De_ressurect/biggestpro.png

Brother Oni

2011-03-28, 06:14 PM

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 06:14 PM

I'm quite comfortable with my recent matches.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9362/colonthree.jpg

The Kayle game was a 100% support team.

Noice. I manage to have 6 different champions in my last 10 games (alas, only 5 fit to one page - Corki gets left out due to two Anivia-games)! :smallcool:

Is it me or has there been another sudden influx of abusive teens and tryhards in normal solo queue again?

I get nothing but abuse from my own side, so I get fed up and mute everybody. My play suddenly improves (mostly due to idiotic focusing on the enemy side going for me, the tank) and we win the game.

Sometimes I wonder if it's better to just mute everybody from the start and save myself the grief.

I always say "If you have nothing constructive to say say nothing at all" and put everybody still talking crap after that on Ignore. Works well enough as long as you don't give what they say any weight.

Dienekes

2011-03-28, 06:41 PM

Maeglin_Dubh

2011-03-28, 06:43 PM

Playing in a premade. Other team asked if we were premade. We said yes. They began to lament the fact that we had the advantage of voice chat.

At this point one of our players helpfully pointed out that we mostly just use it to call each other gay.

Prplcheez

2011-03-28, 06:48 PM

Is it me or has there been another sudden influx of abusive teens and tryhards in normal solo queue again?

I get nothing but abuse from my own side, so I get fed up and mute everybody. My play suddenly improves (mostly due to idiotic focusing on the enemy side going for me, the tank) and we win the game.

Sometimes I wonder if it's better to just mute everybody from the start and save myself the grief.

I haven't had any of this recently, I've still been winning and losing an equal amount, but two of my friends have been complaining about it. One of my friends has about 10 losses in a row and another one has been getting noticeably worse scores in all of his games.

And no offense to you, but to be honest then the majority of the advice you are going to end up giving out is going to be at the very least somewhat inaccurate because its based off of the experiences you have had playing as a "bad" player with other "bad" players. In addition this the majority of the information/advice we give out is applicable to... you know... higher levels of play. I realize most people aren't concerned with all of that, but a lot of us are.

If you don't think advice I give is worth listening to, then don't listen to it. As with most things, I really couldn't care less. Won't stop me from giving my opinion on things.

Volatar

2011-03-28, 06:54 PM

Yeah, I did the inci first trick. Worked pretty well. 16-3 annie at 15 mins is fun, and the ganking was INSANE.

Yay! I have a convert!

What sort of item build are you running? I always have been grabbing Sorc shoes, a RoA, and a Rylai's. Has worked well but I think there are other, better options that I haven't discovered yet.

Playing in a premade. Other team asked if we were premade. We said yes. They began to lament the fact that we had the advantage of voice chat.

At this point one of our players helpfully pointed out that we mostly just use it to call each other gay.

Hahaha. That had me laughing for a while.

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 06:57 PM

I went sorc, archangels, RoA, standard annie stuff.

Faulty

2011-03-28, 07:37 PM

Ultimate Bravery!

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/218/ultimatebravery.jpg

toasty

2011-03-28, 07:51 PM

If you don't think advice I give is worth listening to, then don't listen to it. As with most things, I really couldn't care less. Won't stop me from giving my opinion on things.

Well, my point is, you gave some advice explaining how you didn't need an item because you were playing against bad players, and another player pointed out how that doesn't mean you should develop bad habits, and you basically said that you don't care about developing bad habits. My observation is that you are then basically out of place within this group, for the most part. We're not all super serious, but we are basically serious and there are actually a couple of good players here (Eladriel for instance). Most of us are apparently well above the skill level of average players, according to Riot's states, even though we're only in the range of 1200-1400 elo.

Silverraptor

2011-03-28, 07:53 PM

Ultimate Bravery!

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/218/ultimatebravery.jpg

You guys win.:smallbiggrin:

Also, I tried Kog on my smurf account. It turns out, I did pretty decent with him and was finally starting to get the hang on how to play him. I'll just add him to my ever increasing list of people I want to buy.:smallsigh:

Faulty

2011-03-28, 07:55 PM

I actually did two other Ultimate Braveries earlier but they were in normal queue. The first one was amazing even though we lost. I midded as what was essentially an AP Garen with a Tri Force vs. Ashe and killed her multiple times and at the end of the game our AP Singed popped revive and got a double kill before the minions took our nexus. Second one... not so fun. Tristana (:smallannoyed:), fully AP (:smallyuk:) vs. a Vlad. We surrendered to play the above in house.

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 08:03 PM

I should do that too!

Dogmantra

2011-03-28, 08:10 PM

Lee Sin Spotlight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrSihRXTrq4&feature=feedu)

(I like the ability that reveals opponents)

Silverraptor

2011-03-28, 08:14 PM

As expected, he's an April Fool's character.:smallamused:

Eldariel

2011-03-28, 08:18 PM

His dance is Udyr's too.

Dogmantra

2011-03-28, 08:19 PM

also also also

BUYING THIS ON THE FIRST DAY (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=142971&d=1301360337)

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-28, 08:27 PM

also also also

BUYING THIS ON THE FIRST DAY (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=142971&d=1301360337)

GOOD. 'Cause that? Is the best Kennen skin ever.

DrScientist

2011-03-28, 08:34 PM

Hey you guys know toasty or what? I'm trying to get a hold of him

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 08:35 PM

Sigh.

On the topic of Manamune on Nocturne: he doesn't seem like someone who should go OOM that much, particularly since he jungles and so should have blue buff early game, when mana is an issue. And Wriggle's means you never have to use mana to jungle again if you don't want to. Without the mana issue to worry about, a Nocturne who builds Wriggle's-Bloodthirster-Last Whisper will do more damage at nearly every stage of the game than a Nocturne who builds Wriggle's-Manamune-Bloodthirster. This is without trying to determine whether Nocturne would be better off building tanky items. So, theoretically, Manamune is suboptimal; but in practice, if you go OOM without it, it's a good pick.

On the topic of who's serious and who isn't, who cares about other people's advice/opinions, who fits in the group: Let's not, 'kay?

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-28, 08:36 PM

Lee Sin Spotlight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrSihRXTrq4&feature=feedu)

(I like the ability that reveals opponents)

Have I made fun of everyone who contridicted me on this point yet? I'm not sure if I have.

Content (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=614204)

Qwertystop

2011-03-28, 08:36 PM

First game as Mordekaiser. Went Doran's Sheild, Sorc's Boots, Crystal Scepter, Randuin's Omen, Vampiric Scepter, game ended. Did GREAT! Wish I hadn't just impulse-bought whats-his-name, that guy who sets up little gun turrets and has a flash bomb of some kind. Head looks like a brain.

DrScientist

2011-03-28, 08:42 PM

{Scrubbed}

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 08:43 PM

{Scrubbed}

Hi. Have you read the forum rules? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/announcement.php?a=1)

To answer your original question, it's quite likely you can find Toasty EDIT: Never mind, I think I'll just ignore this guy until he gets banned.

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-28, 08:44 PM

{scrubbed}

Hm. That doesn't sound like Toasty. I suspect hi-jinks.

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 08:44 PM

Scientist, thank you. You've made a huge breakthrough. I've been looking for the highest concentration of irony in one sentence for ages. Think you stumbled across it there.

DrScientist

2011-03-28, 08:46 PM

{scrubbed}

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 08:51 PM

Hm. That doesn't sound like Toasty. I suspect hi-jinks.

Back to our regularly scheduled hijinks.

Lee Sin being this year's April Fools is unsurprising, but still annoying.

Also, Shurelia appears to be working on a Kayle fix. My hope is that it involves changing the passive and the ultimate, because both are overpowered concepts that are resultingly difficult to balance in practice, which is why she's in a "worthless early, unbeatable late" place right now. But we'll see.

EDIT: Hm. One unexpected benefit of this DrScientist fellow is that I have discovered this forum's 'ignore' function. Interesting.

Silverraptor

2011-03-28, 08:51 PM

also also also

BUYING THIS ON THE FIRST DAY (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=142971&d=1301360337)

GOOD. 'Cause that? Is the best Kennen skin ever.

Oh yes. Karate Kennen has nothing on this.

Dogmantra

2011-03-28, 08:53 PM

Oh yes. Karate Kennen has nothing on this.

I dunno, Karate Kennen is cuter but Kennen MD is pretty dang awesome.

Silverraptor

2011-03-28, 08:54 PM

I dunno, Karate Kennen is cuter but Kennen MD is pretty dang awesome.

Okay, in terms of skin wars, Karate Kennen is worth 2 skins. M.D. Kennen is now worth 3.5:smalltongue:

Istari

2011-03-28, 09:00 PM

Maybe the April's Fools is that he is a real champion.

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-28, 09:04 PM

On topic of the Warwick skin: Wait didn't Lee Sin set himself on fire way back i- O______O

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 09:08 PM

On topic of the Warwick skin: Wait didn't Lee Sin set himself on fire way back i- O______O

Finally......

Winthur

2011-03-28, 09:08 PM

On topic of the Warwick skin: Wait didn't Lee Sin set himself on fire way back i- O______O

Indeed, the tradition seems to say that whenever there is an April Fools champion...
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5093/warwickamina.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/warwickamina.jpg/)
...a real champion wolfs them down. (Man, Kamina glasses fit really well on Warwick)

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-28, 09:11 PM

Indeed, the tradition seems to say that whenever there is an April Fools champion...
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5093/warwickamina.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/warwickamina.jpg/)
...a real champion wolfs them down. (Man, Kamina glasses fit really well on Warwick)

It would redeem the entire League of Legends story if the true plot was just "Man Warwick really ****ing hates april fool's, doesn't he?"

Winthur

2011-03-28, 09:11 PM

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Fanfiction.net, here I come! :smallbiggrin:

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-28, 09:12 PM

It would redeem the entire League of Legends story if the true plot was just "Man Warwick really ****ing hates april fool's, doesn't he?"

I didn't stop laughing til now.

Maeglin_Dubh

2011-03-28, 09:14 PM

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-28, 09:28 PM

First Riot employee is on my friends list. We had a nice conversation about how to get noticed by the guys who pick out the interns. :smallbiggrin:

Math_Mage

2011-03-28, 09:28 PM

Maybe the April's Fools is that he is a real champion.

Whichever way it goes, I'm still officially grumpy about it by now.

Volatar

2011-03-28, 10:04 PM

Grumble grumble. So I get a couple friends together and play 3 games as roaming Annie. I do awesome all 3 times.

But since we didn't have 5 people, we had to have some pubbies.

Out of the 5 pubbies in those 3 games, all 5 of them fed, 3 of them feeding and then quitting before 20 minutes in.

Every single time I play a non-5-queue it ends up as such. Curse these idiots.

Mtg_player_zach

2011-03-28, 10:59 PM

So played an aram:

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac137/Mtg_Player_Zach_GitP/Aram.png?t=1301371024

I'm happy.

Silverraptor

2011-03-28, 11:05 PM

First Riot employee is on my friends list. We had a nice conversation about how to get noticed by the guys who pick out the interns. :smallbiggrin:

That's awesome.

Neftren

2011-03-29, 12:52 AM

First Riot employee is on my friends list. We had a nice conversation about how to get noticed by the guys who pick out the interns. :smallbiggrin:

How?

Also, I'm back from travel. Am I totally the cause of this thread title for once? Really? Is this some crazy passing reference to that game where I went "HOLY CRAP, Caitlyn wears HEELS?"

Spartacus

2011-03-29, 01:18 AM

I believe, as with many of our titles, it is actually a champion quote. Probably Caitlyn, though maybe Miss Fortune, I am not sure.

toasty

2011-03-29, 01:21 AM

Its eve, she says that.

Math_Mage

2011-03-29, 01:47 AM

"It's hard to move like this in heels."--Evelynn, the Widowmaker

That was a pretty good game we just had. I feel like I wasn't a good jungle tank, though, because
a) I got us into a couple of bad fights;
b) I didn't either gank bot lane or orchestrate a gank on bot lane, and I should have, instead of focusing so much on Kennen;
c) I'm not in tune with the tower game, which meant we missed out on a couple of towers.

At the end of the day, the main problem was just that we comped squishy and they comped tanky DPS. Blind pick normals, blah. I'm gonna see who's streaming, maybe learn something.

ZombyWoof

2011-03-29, 02:46 AM

First Riot employee is on my friends list. We had a nice conversation about how to get noticed by the guys who pick out the interns. :smallbiggrin:
<snark>Don't have a clue how to write a stable program?</snark>

Apparently Harrowing broke for me recently. I get these nice, big, and blue blocks where some of the base polygons should be. Also one of Irelia's moves has always left a little glowing star on my screen (maybe it does that for everyone?) Also they finally fixed the endless minion battles! Of course right before that I got a wonderful bug where I could not see the enemy morgana. My whole team kept complaining about me getting hit by every root ever, but I couldn't even tell morgana was there (she had her sprite replaced by her corpse or three very-small black lines, and it didn't move, it jumped around every half a second or so) until I was rooted, and by then it was too late!

Oh and for some reason it complains about my gfx driver despite it being up-to-date.

And recently I've been having this SUPER awful problem where I click "save masteries" and the window doesn't disappear. I'm stuck staring at the "save masteries" and it only goes away if I close the program and restart. I'll forget it happens, then join the next game, and be like, "Lovely. I can't pick my champ." and have to dodge. Thankfully it hasn't happened in ranked, but...

And of course the usual bug (which happened to my friend once!) where it will get all blurry and won't let you into champ select for 30 seconds because the button that says "finish what I was doing/pick now" doesn't show up.

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-29, 03:33 AM

<snark>Don't have a clue how to write a stable program?</snark>

They cut a lot of corners because Riot really didn't expect LoL to become so huge.

And anyways, from his Something Awful posts, Brackhar insists the servers are getting better (And ignores the EU ones). So there's that.

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 05:10 AM

Patch Notes 1.0.0.114 (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/release-notes-v100114):
Caitlyn

Attack speed per level increased to 3 from 2.6
Yordle Snap Trap max trap count increased to 3 from 2

Dr. Mundo

Fixed a bug where Infected Cleaver was slowing targets additively instead of multiplicatively

Ezreal

Fixed a bug where Ezreal's Arcane Shot could target unseen minions such as wards

Galio

Idol of Durand area of effect increased to 550 from 500

Garen

Base movement speed increased to 320 from 315
Courage damage reduction increased to 20/24/28/32/36 from 10/15/20/25/30

Jax

Leap Strike now prefers to target enemies over allies when your cursor overlaps both

Karma

Fixed a bug where the Mantra version of Heavenly Wave was not granting assists for healing allies
Spirit Bond's leash range has been increased by a small amount
Mantra now scales with level on a 30/25/20 second cooldown at levels 1/7/13 respectively instead of on 25 second cooldown at all levels

Katarina

Shunpo now prefers to target enemies over allies when your cursor overlaps both

LeBlanc

Fixed a bug where Distortion and Mimicked Distortion would break the target's spell shield and still deal damage

Maokai

Fixed a bug where Vengeful Maelstrom was reducing true damage

Nocturne

Made Shroud of Darkness shield brighter and easier to see

Pantheon

Fixed a bug where Aegis Protection triggered after every 4 attacks, but every 5 spell casts (reduced casts required to 4)

Poppy

Updated the shield texture on Paragon of Demacia
Fixed several unintended interactions between Heroic Charge and spell shields. Notably, Poppy won't push herself past the target anymore.

Shen

Updated Feint's tooltips to properly match the functionality and adjusted Shen's playing tips referencing Feint
Ki Strike can now be cancelled mid-attack (and will not say 'Cannot Move While Casting')
Fixed a bug where Ki Strike could kill a target and not trigger Vorpal Blade's heal effect
Fixed a bug where Shadow Dash could move a shorter distance than intended if Shen was greatly slowed

Sivir

Fixed a bug where some of her tooltips referred to 'Spiral Blade' instead of 'Boomerang Blade'

Soraka

Infuse now prefers to target enemies over allies

Urgot

Base health reduced to 526 from 546
Acid Hunter base damage reduced to 10/40/70/100/130 from 15/45/75/105/135
Fixed a bug where Terror Capacitor's slow was stacking
Fixed a bug where Zaun-Touched Bolt Augmenter was reducing true damage

Veigar

Fixed an issue on the Leprechaun Veigar skin where the enemy Event Horizon still had green pillars

Items

Fixed a tooltip bug with Deathfire Grasp

General

Fixed a bug where normal Golems were improperly labeled "Neutral Monsters" instead of "Monsters"
Fixed a bug where a clone with Madred's Razor / Wriggle's Lantern could deny its owner of Monster buffs if they dealt the killing blow to the monster
Turrets
Base turret attack speed increased to +30% from 20%
Turret base armor and magic resist increased by 10
Turrets no longer gain up to 25% attack speed and 25 armor and magic resist for having a nearby defending champion
Turret to champion damage increased by 5%
Slow Stacking penalty increased to 65% from 50%

Runes

Fixed a bug where Greater Mark of Might's tooltip was incorrect

Spartacus

2011-03-29, 05:22 AM

The numbers on the Urgot nerf amuse me. 5 damage, 20 hp? Seems very small.

Wandiya

2011-03-29, 06:34 AM

Just did http://giantfunny.com/ultimate_bravery.php and got a semi-decent build for a champion I actually play:smallamused:.

Udyr with Flash, Clairvoyance, Boots of Mobility, Hextech Gunblade, Heart of Gold, Infinity Edge, Malady and Heart of Gold. Could actually do stuff in a match :smallbiggrin:.

Volatar

2011-03-29, 07:21 AM

Patch looks like mostly bugfixes. I am always happy for bugfixes, but I was excited for that tanky-dps nerf they wanted to do. :(

Penguinizer

2011-03-29, 07:25 AM

As long as they don't nerf Singed more. Also, boo turret damage buff. I can't tower dive as much anymore. :smallfrown:

Dienekes

2011-03-29, 08:12 AM

"It's hard to move like this in heels."--Evelynn, the Widowmaker

I'm more surprised she can move at all when she wears spikes pointing in toward her own legs.

Volatar

2011-03-29, 08:18 AM

that game where I went "HOLY CRAP, Caitlyn wears HEELS?"

I remember that game! It was very amusing. I remember seeing that Caitlyn has heel and then worriedly peering at Annie's feet to make sure that they did not give a 5 year old heels :smalltongue:

Octopus Jack

2011-03-29, 10:12 AM

Anyone notice that in the Lee Sin spotlight he starts to do the Udyr taunt at around 1:20?

Volatar

2011-03-29, 10:44 AM

Anyone notice that in the Lee Sin spotlight he starts to do the Udyr taunt at around 1:20?

I suspect they simply used the Udyr model and animations as a baseline to work off of.

Neftren

2011-03-29, 10:49 AM

Are servers still down or something?

Astrella

2011-03-29, 11:07 AM

I suspect they simply used the Udyr model and animations as a baseline to work off of.

I'd say they're doing it on purpose to make people assume it's just an Udyr skin instead of a new champion, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to give Riot that much credit.

toasty

2011-03-29, 11:29 AM

I'd say they're doing it on purpose to make people assume it's just an Udyr skin instead of a new champion, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to give Riot that much credit.

I will. After all, Udyr and WW are, in a lot of ways, very similar.

Brother Oni

2011-03-29, 11:57 AM

In honour of spring and all you Janna(aaaaaaa) fans: link (http://tekkanomaki-chan.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Janna-Spring-wind-202691457).

Volatar

2011-03-29, 12:20 PM

In honour of spring and all you Janna(aaaaaaa) fans: link (http://tekkanomaki-chan.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Janna-Spring-wind-202691457).

Nice. :smallsmile:

Math_Mage

2011-03-29, 12:28 PM

In honour of spring and all you Janna(aaaaaaa) fans: link (http://tekkanomaki-chan.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Janna-Spring-wind-202691457).

Best Janna evar!

...wait, no, I tell a lie; second best to this awesome custom skin (http://community-na.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=120849&d=1298060017). But still nice. So cute! :smallbiggrin:

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 12:51 PM

In honour of spring and all you Janna(aaaaaaa) fans: link (http://tekkanomaki-chan.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Janna-Spring-wind-202691457).

That's beautiful. The cherry blossoms are a beautiful touch, and Janna is (apparently) extremely chibi-able

Volatar

2011-03-29, 02:00 PM

Man, that was a really, really awesome game to hit level 30 with. I am very very happy.

Also, everyone stealing my kills all the time :smalltongue:

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3245/level30.png

Brother Oni

2011-03-29, 02:04 PM

That's beautiful. The cherry blossoms are a beautiful touch, and Janna is (apparently) extremely chibi-able

Most of the champions are very chibi-able - so far Chanti's done Kog'maw, Teemo, Annie, Ezreal, Cho'gath among others (not very subtle plug for the rest of her gallery :smallbiggrin:).

She says thanks for all the comments and hopes to continue to make people smile.

I'm personally bugging her to finish her Swain/Fiddlesticks ARAM game picture, but she's taking her time on it.

Joran

2011-03-29, 02:05 PM

As long as they don't nerf Singed more. Also, boo turret damage buff. I can't tower dive as much anymore. :smallfrown:

Urm. Bad news. Here's the production board (via @RiotGuinsoo)

http://twitpic.com/4ehoig

P.S. Alistar remake was supposed to come this patch, but I guess they're not finished making the tweaks necessary. Guinsoo keeps saying he's too good of a jungler and doing too much damage...

Volatar

2011-03-29, 02:27 PM

Best Janna evar!

...wait, no, I tell a lie; second best to this awesome custom skin (http://community-na.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=120849&d=1298060017). But still nice. So cute! :smallbiggrin:

Woah. Just, woah. That is amazing. Makes me want to play Janna.

Could you link the thread for it?

toasty

2011-03-29, 02:58 PM

Urm. Bad news. Here's the production board (via @RiotGuinsoo)

http://twitpic.com/4ehoig

P.S. Alistar remake was supposed to come this patch, but I guess they're not finished making the tweaks necessary. Guinsoo keeps saying he's too good of a jungler and doing too much damage...

Yeah... making alistair a good jungler would be bad. He's already a great roamer. Add jugling to the mix and they just created a nightmare.

Nerfing signed makes me sad. :smallfrown: I just learned how great of a champion he is.

Octopus Jack

2011-03-29, 03:19 PM

So... free twitch week...

I just had a LoLgasm.

Silverraptor

2011-03-29, 03:22 PM

So... free twitch week...

I just had a LoLgasm.

Ugggghhhh...Free Twitch Week.:smallyuk: One week of nothing but oracles being bought frequently and terrible twitch's being on your team, meaning you need an extra dps dealer to compensate.

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-29, 03:39 PM

Nerfing signed makes me sad. :smallfrown: I just learned how great of a champion he is.

But he really needs it. Decent CC, impossible to chase, decent damage, incredibly tanky, good at pushing towers, good at defending his teammates, decent initiation...yeah. It's a bit crazy.

Octopus Jack

2011-03-29, 03:53 PM

Ugggghhhh...Free Twitch Week.:smallyuk: One week of nothing but oracles being bought frequently and terrible twitch's being on your team, meaning you need an extra dps dealer to compensate.

None of the Twitches I've seen so far have been bad, though I am the only Twitch I've seen. Oddly enough I've seen an Eve and a Shaco and no one else is taking advantage of Twitch being free for (what I think) is the first time ever.

Penguinizer

2011-03-29, 03:59 PM

As a person who basically is only good with singed, nerfs make me a sad puppy.

How am I expected to dive people through two towers without losing more than half my health anymore?

NeoVid

2011-03-29, 04:25 PM

I have no clue whether they're going to release Lee Sin or not, since the trolliest thing they could do by this point is actually release him.

Douglas

2011-03-29, 04:35 PM

I have no clue whether they're going to release Lee Sin or not, since the trolliest thing they could do by this point is actually release him.
Reminds me of the Goblin Tinker hero in Warcraft 3. He was initially announced as an April Fools joke, but then they swapped out his more obvious joke ability and actually added him to the game.

toasty

2011-03-29, 04:43 PM

But he really needs it. Decent CC, impossible to chase, decent damage, incredibly tanky, good at pushing towers, good at defending his teammates, decent initiation...yeah. It's a bit crazy.

I realize this. He's a great off-tank and is the best kiter in the game. Combine him with Ashe and sustained heal and he's going to rip apart enemy teams. I just don't want him to be nerfed. :smallsigh:

Silverraptor

2011-03-29, 04:45 PM

I realize this. He's a great off-tank and is the best kiter in the game. Combine him with Ashe and sustained heal and he's going to rip apart enemy teams. I just don't want him to be nerfed. :smallsigh:

Was there a direct nerf to him? Or are you guys refering to the more damaging turrets as a nerf to him? Because if that's the case, that not just a single nerf to only him.

Volatar

2011-03-29, 05:22 PM

I realize this. He's a great off-tank and is the best kiter in the game. Combine him with Ashe and sustained heal and he's going to rip apart enemy teams. I just don't want him to be nerfed. :smallsigh:

But he is totally riddiculus. He is impossible to kill. I swear the only way to actually take him down is to have an Annie Stun him and have 2 physical carries with like, 3 bloodrazors each pound on him. :smalltongue:

Math_Mage

2011-03-29, 05:33 PM

Woah. Just, woah. That is amazing. Makes me want to play Janna.

Could you link the thread for it?

Done and done. (http://community-na.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=525790&highlight=)

Anyway. Zach and I were discussing that last loss (http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/US112867780) we just had, and trying to figure out what went wrong and/or what we could have done about it. For reference, it was
Trist mid, Nid top, Noc jungle, Garen/Nunu bot
vs
Ryze mid, Cho top, Shaco jungle, Kat/Ashe bot

with Ashe frequently D/C. We popped Shaco's boxes and killed him at his red; he counterjungled Nocturne for a kill at our red. Meanwhile, all our lanes just lost, and that's what really killed us. Nidalee couldn't pierce Cho's hide; Trist got heavily out-harassed and out-leveled by Ryze; and bot suffered from Shaco ganks. At the end of the day, it didn't even matter that Ashe was D/C half the game, because she could just free-farm with all their map control.

It was a 50-minute game, but really it was over at 15 minutes, and so that's what I want to look at. Was this simply a case where we were out-comped? Did we set up our lane matchups incorrectly? Perhaps laners misplayed and lost winnable lanes? Were we out-coordinated, maybe?

Replay attached (http://www.mediafire.com/?cd82ifzuo3fzu5p), for those who use LOL Replay.

Joran

2011-03-29, 05:49 PM

Was there a direct nerf to him? Or are you guys refering to the more damaging turrets as a nerf to him? Because if that's the case, that not just a single nerf to only him.

Not yet. Guinsoo is on Twitter (@RiotGuinsoo) and he occasionally posts updates on what he's working on.

He's posted a couple times that he likes Singed a lot, but he's probably OP. He just posted an image from their production bulletin board about Singed "Changes" but as of now, he hasn't been nerfed, so feel free to run around and throw people.

Djinn_in_Tonic

2011-03-29, 06:03 PM

Done and done. (http://community-na.static.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=525790&highlight=)

Anyway. Zach and I were discussing that last loss (http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/US112867780) we just had, and trying to figure out what went wrong and/or what we could have done about it. For reference, it was
Trist mid, Nid top, Noc jungle, Garen/Nunu bot
vs
Ryze mid, Cho top, Shaco jungle, Kat/Ashe bot

with Ashe frequently D/C. We popped Shaco's boxes and killed him at his red; he counterjungled Nocturne for a kill at our red. Meanwhile, all our lanes just lost, and that's what really killed us. Nidalee couldn't pierce Cho's hide; Trist got heavily out-harassed and out-leveled by Ryze; and bot suffered from Shaco ganks. At the end of the day, it didn't even matter that Ashe was D/C half the game, because she could just free-farm with all their map control.

It was a 50-minute game, but really it was over at 15 minutes, and so that's what I want to look at. Was this simply a case where we were out-comped? Did we set up our lane matchups incorrectly? Perhaps laners misplayed and lost winnable lanes? Were we out-coordinated, maybe?

Nidalee could have had Cho'Gath top. Shaco is an AMAZING counter-jungler, and I wasn't ready for him. Bottom and mid spent to much time pushed, and didn't call gank opportunities. Our carries didn't get our kills (Nunu shouldn't have gotten that first blood on Shaco with Trist and I right next to him ready to land the killing blow, for example). I remember being 1/3/5 Nocturne at one point, and having all of those kills grabbed by Garen and Nunu (and one by Trist, which was fine)...and each time, I could have finished them.

We had no solid interrupts, and kept fighting them in the jungle. Our bad.

Basically, we blew teamwork, coordination, and everything that would have kept us in the game.

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-29, 06:21 PM

The best Paladin in the world is also the best DotA-liker in the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6uEBge3i4)

toasty

2011-03-29, 06:40 PM

The best Paladin in the world is also the best DotA-liker in the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6uEBge3i4)

This is... actually funny. But its also disturbing how full of **** that guy is.

efdf

2011-03-29, 06:55 PM

Well, your big problem was that you had no stuns.

But other than that, it was really that you grouped together and fought together solely for the purpose of grouping together and fighting together. When you decide to 5 man group, there should be a clear purpose. when you decide to team fight, there should be a clear purpose. Grouping together as 5 puts you behind unless you get something out of it; team fighting is incredibly risky and you should attempt to lower the amount of team fights in a game to only important objectives or when you see a clear opening.

When your team grouped, you never really did anything. It would've been more productive to simply split up and farm lanes. "Grouping up so we don't get ganked" is not a valid rationale for sitting in your own jungle farming monsters. Getting ganked on purpose is even a completely valid strategy, because time is such an important resource. If you spend a minute of one player's time; say, a mobile champion like Nidalee, running away from three would-be gankers, you've come out ahead, especially if they all blow their summoners chasing even if the runner dies because there's so many objectives that aren't champion kills and that are worth much more than champion kills.

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-29, 07:24 PM

This is... actually funny. But its also disturbing how full of **** that guy is.

He's not really serious, but he'll probably try to get like HotshotGG to use his account or somesuch.

Taunt skating. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=366HGCNNwfQ#t=53s)

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 07:27 PM

[It was a 50-minute game, but really it was over at 15 minutes, and so that's what I want to look at. Was this simply a case where we were out-comped? Did we set up our lane matchups incorrectly? Perhaps laners misplayed and lost winnable lanes? Were we out-coordinated, maybe?

Replay attached (http://www.mediafire.com/?cd82ifzuo3fzu5p), for those who use LOL Replay.

50-min games are not over in 15 mins. 50 min games mean people begin to max out, money, kills and such begin to lose meaning and it really just becomes a game of "get aced and die".

The best Paladin in the world is also the best DotA-liker in the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6uEBge3i4)

If that guy was anywhere near as good as he implies, he would be playing Starcraft 2 competitively in Korea and earning 6-figure salaries yearly. I guess that's remotely amusing but at the same time pretty silly :smalltongue:

toasty

2011-03-29, 07:45 PM

If that guy was anywhere near as good as he implies, he would be playing Starcraft 2 competitively in Korea and earning 6-figure salaries yearly. I guess that's remotely amusing but at the same time pretty silly :smalltongue:

He's #1 on the... EU servers? That does imply some skill. However, his attitude is such that I can't believe he's really as good as he implies. Most people that talk crap are pretty crappy themselves. I do agree that LoL is full of noobs (lost 2 games today despite playing great. Just not playing carries. :smallsigh:), but his attitude is pretty horrid.

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 08:05 PM

He's #1 on the... EU servers? That does imply some skill. However, his attitude is such that I can't believe he's really as good as he implies. Most people that talk crap are pretty crappy themselves. I do agree that LoL is full of noobs (lost 2 games today despite playing great. Just not playing carries. :smallsigh:), but his attitude is pretty horrid.

He's #1 on a ladder; rocks care. Almost.

toasty

2011-03-29, 08:09 PM

He's #1 on a ladder; rocks care. Almost.

So he hasn't played in Tourements or anything? But yeah, I mean like I said he struck me as someone who has a huge attitude and those guys never really do good.

TechnOkami

2011-03-29, 09:13 PM

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 09:35 PM

Karthus

Difficult skillshot champion with immense damage output, one of the game's most vexing ultimates and a super-annoying passive. Far as AP carries goes, he's one of the very best.

Jax

Anti-AA bruiser with a solid hybrid build. Mostly good early on, kind of limited in what champions he's good against. Very inconvenient requirements for triggering his stun. Bruiser that isn't all that durable.

Renekton

Tanky DPS á la old Garen + regeneration & good stun, very durable with impressive regenerative capabilities and extremely solid no-item damage. Using Fury makes him a somewhat unique experience (though many champions certainly have abilities that are built around a certain number of attacks so it's not completely unexplored) and he has very potent blinking for reaching enemies, a great stun and, as said, superb damage and survivability.

Swain

Difficult-to-play tanky AP carry; you gotta land your skillshots if you wanna play him and he's quite difficult to position yourself with and has lots of mana management going on for him but a properly played Swain is extremely difficult to kill, does annoyingly large amounts of damage and scales well with AP. More control-abilities than Karthus along with regeneration, but far less pure damage and of course, some of game's most awesome /jokes. Wrecks lanes when played well, much like a ranged Cho'Gath.

Vladimir

Also earns the nickname "AP carry" and also tanky, he's actually quite close to Swain in terms of...everything. His early laning is mediocre but once he hits 5-7 he begins to be very hard to lane against for most champions and his Pool has a huge trollface drawn on it; makes him insanely hard to pin down.

He tends to quite simply get the largest amounts of HP in the game (I've seen Vlad with a rather standard build end up over 5000) though his resistances tend to lack thus making him somewhat squishy still. A very solid tanky no-CC AP "carry"; doesn't deal ALL that much damage but does it reliably over a long period much like autoattackers do with physical damage.

Warwick

One of the better junglers in the game, can also lane quite well; suppression ultimate, solid speed with low HP enemies nearby and superb self-healing in Q and autoattacks. Tanky DPS type that starts less tanky but builds into it nicely with his inherent lifesteal capabilities. Surprisingly enough does mostly magical damage (his Q and Ult are magical, as is most of his most common damage build, Madred's Bloodrazor; his ult triggers it multiple times making it extremely effective in conjunction).

As for my second question... I'm having trouble playing Olaf. Can anyone give me tips on how to play him or a suggested build (without linking me to Mobafire)?

Tips:
1) Learn Undertow. Seriously. It's one of the most complex but also more powerful moves in the game. Learn positioning it, hitting faraway targets with it and figuring when you want to pick it up (and thus aim closer) and when not.
2) Vicious Strikes gains you lifesteal but also Spellvamp. This also applies to e.g. Smite; you can heal with any spell you cast with Vicious Strikes on. Very important to keep in mind.
3) The lower your HP is, the more you hurt. Don't be afraid to fight while low; your lifesteal goes through the roof and you hurt like a truck.
4) Practice Ragnarök timing - it's quite possibly the single most important part of the champion to get the timing correctly to ignore as much CC as possible and to maximize the time you have to wreck some face.
5) Reckless Swing is true damage. True damage is good, especially against tanks. Spam it to your heart's content.

Builds, well, some good items on him:
- Stark's Fervor
- Youmuu's Ghostblade
- Frozen Mallet
- Randuin's Omen
- Force of Nature

I suppose you could also go Wriggle's on him. If jungling, I just get an early Heart of Gold and work from there towards some tankiness with maybe Fervor and Ghostblade in the mix. Maybe not. Dunno.

Winthur

2011-03-29, 10:07 PM

I... have a question (or two). What are your thoughts and feelings in terms of your overall experience with the following champions who have perked my interest:
(...)
Warwick
Naysayers say he is no longer king of the jungle. He is awesome. Safety in the jungle, not too shabby speed. Ganks maybe weak, until you hit level 6. Probably needs a lot of Attack Speed runes to reach his true potential. Easy to jungle with. Can be an initiator (if built with priority on tankiness) or as tanky DPS who enters the battle after initiation.

As for my second question... I'm having trouble playing Olaf. Can anyone give me tips on how to play him or a suggested build (without linking me to Mobafire)?

Thank you.

Olaf should jungle. You must know that you are a tanky presence that is pretty much unstoppable if you play well. His main problem is: can't close distance efficiently like most melee DPS. Therefore, Ghost/Smite is mandatory, and Frozen Mallet is a great item because you have no abilities that make you close distance on the enemies, so the slow is going to keep you going. You build mostly tanky, with a lot of HP, because it also serves as a damage steroid. You don't have CC other than your slow which is very tricky to utilize (that skillshot is a pain to land). What you are, however, is an ultimate counter to CC heavy teams (and most team comps will try to have a lot of crowd control) who can single out a target and simply destroy it.
As I assume you will jungle with Olaf (which you probably however shouldn't do if you don't have access to Tier 3 runes), your build will be along the lines of: Wriggle's Lantern, boots, Phage->Frozen Mallet as core with items such as early Heart of Gold into Randuin's Omen (I don't have a clear cut Olaf build, but you basically want tons of survivability [with emphasis on HP], with a Ghostblade or Atma's Impaler thrown into the mix). So how does Olaf do damage when he's mostly tanky? He has a great true damage nuke on his E, and his Vicious Strikes scale with health. Which means your masteries will also be along the lines of 0/21/9 or my personal favourite mix 1/18/11 instead of something like 21/0/9. Note, though, that you are not the team's tank because although you have a lot of killing power, you don't have anything like a taunt or stun to disrupt the enemies gunning for your carries.

The problem you might be having may also lie within the team composition. Olaf isn't well suited for a team with no range, because he can just get kited all day. He is great if you can rely on your teammates slowing or stopping the enemies dead in their tracks so you can murder them. (Good initiation helps!)

Because you will. When you get about half-health and you turn on your Ragnarok, you become unto a bearded Mundo who can't be stopped easily with Ignite. Your passive enhances your attack speed the more wounded you are, and your enemies should be waiting for their cooldowns to come back to them as you rip them to shreds one by one, getting tons of damage reduction from your items an ultimate. And with Wriggle's Lantern (and possibly Stark's Fervor if it's late game enough), you also get life back. Olaf is GREAT at cleaning up, but sucks at initiation. Wait for your tank to pin the enemies in place and enter the battle once the first cooldowns are blown. Obliteration!

Math_Mage

2011-03-29, 10:11 PM

Thanks for the various bits of advice on that game--especially the "Don't group up except to get/defend an important objective" part. It's hard to get out of the "If I go off alone I will get ganked by the whole enemy team" mindset, especially without the requisite ward coverage (and no CV). :smallfrown:

Re: Athene--I watched about 30 seconds of I don't know which YT vid and concluded that he's either trolling or too absurd for words. /care

Winthur

2011-03-29, 10:17 PM

You know, when I bought Udyr, I really hoped for something else (http://gfx.gaminator.tv/data/news/11041/8142.2.jpg) with the "Phoenix Stance" thing... :smallfrown:

TechnOkami

2011-03-29, 10:18 PM

I... have a question (or two). What are your thoughts and feelings in terms of your overall experience with the following champions who have perked my interest:

Karthus

Jax

Renekton

Swain

Vladimir

Warwick

As for my second question... I'm having trouble playing Olaf. Can anyone give me tips on how to play him or a suggested build (without linking me to Mobafire)?

Thank you.

Thank you all for the info. It'll help me decide who to get with my IP... once I get that high... TT__TT

I'm looking greatly at swain and renekton. Swain I have played and greatly enjoy, and Renekton I played when I was a noob, so he deserves a second chance, same for Vladimir. On the latter two, I'll wait until they become free and test them out, but for Swain, he is a definite yes on my buy list.

P.S. ...is there a guide to jungling someone can forward to me? I'm not the best and just need a basic run through of how to do it.

For example: most of the time I find myself under leveled compared to everyone else/dead from the creeps.

toasty

2011-03-29, 10:35 PM

Mtg_player_zach

2011-03-29, 10:39 PM

P.S. ...is there a guide to jungling someone can forward to me? I'm not the best and just need a basic run through of how to do it.

For example: most of the time I find myself under leveled compared to everyone else/dead from the creeps.

Hint number one:
Armor seals.
Cloth+5 health pots start.
Defensive tree if you don't have all your mastery points or runes yet.

Hint number two:
Have someone leash your blue.

If you are low leveled, try a more sustained jungle path. Don't do a full clear. You might not be able to. An example sustained clear could be the following (depends on champ): Small golems, wraiths, wolves, port, buy boots and potions, small golems, (maybe red lizard, champ depending), wraiths, wolves, (maybe blue golem, champ depending), port. From there you should be able to get your madreds razor and should be able to clear any camps (except dragon, a lot of champs require wriggles for dragon).

Don't be afraid to stop clearing a camp to help allies that need it.

Some common junglers are: Amumu, Cho 'Gath, Eve, Fiddlesticks, Malphite, Master yi, Shen, Nunu, Olaf, Rammus, Shaco, Tryndamere, Twitch (ok, not common, but viable), Udyr, Warwick.

Winthur

2011-03-29, 10:54 PM

@WW: He is not the king of the jungle. That title was stolen when his ability to solo dragon early and fast was taken from him. He is a good jungle but the changes to the meta and the emphasis on counter-jungling/roaming make him a poor choice compared to Nunu, Shaco and Udyr. In many ways he's like Olaf but with an ultimate that is not nearly as good, though his ganking is better.

I think my main problem with Warwick is 2 fold:
A) He's basically an assassin, but unlike Olaf, and Poppy, the 2 best assassins, he has problems doing his job. His ult is like Nunu: its great, until you get stunned out of it. Sure you can't cleanse out of it, but buy a QSS on the carry and you just became useless.
B) he's just not as good as the other junglers with the current meta

i LOVE WW, I just don't see a reason to play him with the current meta. Unless of course he's the only jungler you have or you really need his ult. Or, you're being silly and run the "Baron at 15 minutes" team which consists of Kog, WW, Lane Amumu, Taric and Jarvan.

I don't get it. High ELO on streams I watch still sees plenty of Warwick play, and he still remains solid. An assassin? Maybe, if you stick to the "rush Bloodrazor ASAP" schtick, but I see a lot of Warwick initiators. And with tanky items + lifesteal they can pull it off. And Warwick can stay in the fight for a very long time, plus, you know, he actually has more teamfight viability than Shaco, his late game doesn't suck nearly as hard as Nunu (and he can have a better 1v1 fight if it comes to this), and his ganking is still stronger than Olaf, especially post level 6. He still is strong at cleaning up, too. And he doesn't die easily in the jungle. Soloing dragon is still possible if you only get Madreds, are lucky with procs and maybe with a health potion plus blue buff. But you don't have to do that, especially since most serious teams will ward dragon.
WW also has blood scent and a global Attack Speed bonus, which brings some utility. He also brings down high HP targets fast.
QSS as a counter to Warwick is a point, but you still bring suppression (which does bring to the table some CC) and if you build tanky, you have a Banshee's Veil probably, so it's harder to knock your suppress off, too.

TechnOkami

2011-03-29, 11:19 PM

Hint number one:
Armor seals.
Cloth+5 health pots start.
Defensive tree if you don't have all your mastery points or runes yet.

Hint number two:
Have someone leash your blue.

If you are low leveled, try a more sustained jungle path. Don't do a full clear. You might not be able to. An example sustained clear could be the following (depends on champ): Small golems, wraiths, wolves, port, buy boots and potions, small golems, (maybe red lizard, champ depending), wraiths, wolves, (maybe blue golem, champ depending), port. From there you should be able to get your madreds razor and should be able to clear any camps (except dragon, a lot of champs require wriggles for dragon).

Don't be afraid to stop clearing a camp to help allies that need it.

Some common junglers are: Amumu, Cho 'Gath, Eve, Fiddlesticks, Malphite, Master yi, Shen, Nunu, Olaf, Rammus, Shaco, Tryndamere, Twitch (ok, not common, but viable), Udyr, Warwick.

Thanks, I'll keep these in mind.

Sigh, I have another question actually. There are some more champions I forgot to ask about in my above post:

Irelia

Malzahar

Nidalee

Singed

Trundle

I double-checked the list of champions, and there's no one else I have any immediate questions about... for now.

Makensha

2011-03-29, 11:25 PM

Sigh, I have another question actually. There are some more champions I forgot to ask about in my above post:

Malzahar

Aha! Someone I can comment on! High damage assasin/mage who is really good at making a single target explode. When his ult is down, however, he isn't particularly useful except for some AoE damage. A lot of people like him, and a lot of people don't. Your job is basically to annihilate the enemy carry and then stay in the back and provide some AoE support to the rest of your teammates.

Temotei

2011-03-29, 11:26 PM

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 11:31 PM

@Eldariel: You say "AP carry" and say Karthus is the best. What is your definition of "AP" Carry? When I think of AP carries I think of Bird, Kass, Sion, etc. Burst heroes, are you saying sustained damage Magic guys?

It was a deliberate choice of terms; it just so happens we were talking about the few champions that actually can function as sustained damage dealers while scaling with AP. So I referred to characters that play out like conventional AD carries, but off AP instead, with the term "AP carry". Most casters I tend to simply refer to as "mages" or "burst mages" when that's relevant (though one of Anivia's big draws is her sustained damage).

TechnOkami

2011-03-29, 11:34 PM

Eldariel

2011-03-29, 11:42 PM

Irelia

Tanky assassin/DPS type, solid laner or jungler, extreme self-healing with her ultimate, notable amounts of true damage, quite similar to Renekton though slightly squishier and hits slightly harder (and generally builds more damage and lifesteal and slightly less tanky as such, though still tanky).

Malzahar

Burst mage mostly built around various damage over time effects and some nice AoE, including a solid AoE silence. Kind of hard to hit with, and his ultimate is more or less hard-countered by QSS; those without QSS really get wrecked by it though and he can one-combo most squishies on lower levels. Oh, and he summons Voidlings with his passive every few spells, and those attack the targets of his Malefic Visions (and otherwise fight randomly, unfortunately uncontrollably); they're pretty cool and a handy extra source of damage.

Nidalee

One of the most complex champions in the game, she's decidedly not a teamfight champion. Her spears and heals make her insane in poking but in teamfights, she gets vaporized if she goes in there with cougar so she's mostly delegated to healing and throwing spears. She also packs serious map control with Bushwhack and is one of the very best laners in the game.

She has very difficult controls in her cougar form due to all the abilities lacking targets so you have to mind your facing and positioning very accurately to make them truly work out; she also has some of the unwieldiest leaps in the game due to this with her Pounce. A completely unique champion, extremely solid laner and very strong 1v1 and among the game's best pokers but poor teamfight champ.

Singed

Rather special champion, he's basically a tank. His gameplan is running in, being immortal and extremely obnoxious slowing the entire enemy team to crawl with Mega Adhesive while spreading a really painful poison trail and flinging enemy carry out of position.

Mostly, he farms sidelanes and runs past towers poisoning all creeps, and if enemy champion appears, Singed runs and hopes that the enemy chases (which they generally have to do if they want to really threaten him in any way). Basically, he runs a lot and everything behind him dies. He can solo lane against a number of strong champions though the stronger poking champs give him problems, but he can pretty much duolane against anybody. His only problem is that he pushes really quickly opening the lane up to ganks; he can generally handle himself especially later on but whoever he lanes with might not be as fortunate.

Trundle

Mostly a jungling champion, he's kind of like Warwick; somewhat squishy but good lifestealing capabilities and can build tanky. Pillar of Filth is one of the only three actual map altering abilities in the game (Anivia's Crystallize and Jarvan's Cataclysm being the other two) and his Contaminate makes fighting in the area a poor proposition for the opposition. And the area is big. His Rabid Bite is nice for stealing stats and making an enemy tank an easy target and he hurts quite a bit, much like Warwick tho primarily physical damage. Overall, a very solid jungler, wouldn't bother laning him.

Silverraptor

2011-03-29, 11:50 PM

Aha! Someone I can comment on! High damage assasin/mage who is really good at making a single target explode. When his ult is down, however, he isn't particularly useful except for some AoE damage. A lot of people like him, and a lot of people don't. Your job is basically to annihilate the enemy carry and then stay in the back and provide some AoE support to the rest of your teammates.

This is why I get a Lichbane on Malzahar when I play him. I can unconciously provide a little extra burst damage in addition to the AoE's I provide in teamfights.

Don't judge me. Ya, I know what you guys are thinking. Criticising me for getting Lichbane on Malzahar and Lux and people like that. It's my Idiosyncrasy!:smalltongue:

Mtg_player_zach

2011-03-29, 11:58 PM

Thanks, I'll keep these in mind.

Sigh, I have another question actually. There are some more champions I forgot to ask about in my above post:

Irelia

Malzahar

Nidalee

Singed

Trundle

I double-checked the list of champions, and there's no one else I have any immediate questions about... for now.

You can friend me in game if you want, my summoner is MtgPlayerZach. If you want any specific jungling advice for specific champions I can point you in skilling orders, runes, item builds, paths, masteries, speeds, strong and weak points, etc. I tend to jungle in most of the games I play so I know most all the standard and some of the less standard junglers. I don't know your level, but I can try and work with you if you would really like to learn. We can try and work with what you have, if a standard route doesn't work for your level I'll run some custom games and try alternate routes and masteries to fit you something. Cause not being able to play a champ you think looks cool because of masteries/runes is lame. If you are low level (like under 20), and want to jungle, I would recommend buying tier one armor runes until you get to level 20. They are cheap.

One of these days I might make a jungle guide. I'll go through all the standard junglers and list their masteries, runes, items, routes, weaknesses and cleartimes, into a nice little google doc sheet or something. Would people be interested in something like that?

TechnOkami

2011-03-30, 12:09 AM

You can friend me in game if you want, my summoner is MtgPlayerZach. If you want any specific jungling advice for specific champions I can point you in skilling orders, runes, item builds, paths, masteries, speeds, strong and weak points, etc. I tend to jungle in most of the games I play so I know most all the standard and some of the less standard junglers. I don't know your level, but I can try and work with you if you would really like to learn. We can try and work with what you have, if a standard route doesn't work for your level I'll run some custom games and try alternate routes and masteries to fit you something. Cause not being able to play a champ you think looks cool because of masteries/runes is lame. If you are low level (like under 20), and want to jungle, I would recommend buying tier one armor runes until you get to level 20. They are cheap.

One of these days I might make a jungle guide. I'll go through all the standard junglers and list their masteries, runes, items, routes, weaknesses and cleartimes, into a nice little google doc sheet or something. Would people be interested in something like that?

Thank you, I think I'd like to do that. The only one I've figured out how to jungle is Tryndamere, which is basically lane til 5 and then intermittently lane and kill creeps. Gold is a necessity for the build I use w/ him.

toasty

2011-03-30, 12:11 AM

I don't get it. High ELO on streams I watch still sees plenty of Warwick play, and he still remains solid. An assassin? Maybe, if you stick to the "rush Bloodrazor ASAP" schtick, but I see a lot of Warwick initiators. And with tanky items + lifesteal they can pull it off. And Warwick can stay in the fight for a very long time, plus, you know, he actually has more teamfight viability than Shaco, his late game doesn't suck nearly as hard as Nunu (and he can have a better 1v1 fight if it comes to this), and his ganking is still stronger than Olaf, especially post level 6. He still is strong at cleaning up, too. And he doesn't die easily in the jungle. Soloing dragon is still possible if you only get Madreds, are lucky with procs and maybe with a health potion plus blue buff. But you don't have to do that, especially since most serious teams will ward dragon.
WW also has blood scent and a global Attack Speed bonus, which brings some utility. He also brings down high HP targets fast.
QSS as a counter to Warwick is a point, but you still bring suppression (which does bring to the table some CC) and if you build tanky, you have a Banshee's Veil probably, so it's harder to knock your suppress off, too.

QSS hard counters Supression. You hit ashe, she QQS and you now die. WW initiation is a joke compared to Amumu and Malphite or even Jarvan and Xin Zhao. Build WW Tanky and, unlike a lot of Tanky DPS he doesn't do damage, build him with Spirit Visage adn Bloodrazor and he's okay, but is countered by ignite (which is actually true of several heroes... but anyways) and can still be burst down.

I disagree that nunu is useless late game, his ult is still useful and his W is really, really good.. Shaco is okay if he backdoors.

I don't see WW being a very good choice for the jungle anymore. ESPECIALLY over Tanky DPS like Olaf (even if he doesn't gank as good; his late game makes up for it) and Udyr (best jungle, period).

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 12:12 AM

Thank you, I think I'd like to do that. The only one I've figured out how to jungle is Tryndamere, which is basically lane til 5 and then intermittently lane and kill creeps. Gold is a necessity for the build I use w/ him.

That's not jungling, my friend. "Jungling" refers to starting in the jungle with a champion and gaining, most importantly, your first ~4 levels or so there and clearing all the jungle creeps so as to maximize your money gain. Every champion can do it after couple of levels, especially if built for it, but junglers do it from the start. Of course, this assumes 5v5; 3v3 jungling is strong but kinda different.

TechnOkami

2011-03-30, 12:18 AM

That's not jungling, my friend. "Jungling" refers to starting in the jungle with a champion and gaining, most importantly, your first ~4 levels or so there and clearing all the jungle creeps so as to maximize your money gain. Every champion can do it after couple of levels, especially if built for it, but junglers do it from the start. Of course, this assumes 5v5; 3v3 jungling is strong but kinda different.

I know, but frankly, Tryndamere is a terrible jungler. That's why what I do for him is what I do.

toasty

2011-03-30, 12:21 AM

Oh, sorry for the spam, but I feel the need to add this. I've played WW and LOT. He was my "main" (when I mained heroes. :smalltongue:) for a long time. I love WW he's my favorite champion, but I just don't see him being very useful in a all but a few situations, and even then, QQS is just too good of an item on him. I'm honestly baffled that Pros never buy it, especially with Malz being so popular in the EU. You're ashe and they have Malz? Supress--> QQS --> Trollface.jpg. Really, its that simple.

WW is a great champion if he can latch onto an enemy carry after they have been engaged, but there are two other champions that do this BETTER than him. Poppy and Olaf. Olaf beats WW in every way except his ganks are poor. But his late game is superior in every way. Poppy has her problems in-lane, but again, her late game burst is FREAKING SCARY she EATS carries for lunch. I'd rather have either on my team over WW.

Maybe you should ask some of the players who are actually better than me at jungling. I dunno, ask theoddone what he thinks of Warwick. I feel like he's a subpar champion right now. He's solid because his jungle is safe and fast enough and his mid game is decent. But I feel that his early game is lacking and he has problems with being tanky, but not tanky enough.

Mtg_player_zach

2011-03-30, 12:32 AM

I know, but frankly, Tryndamere is a terrible jungler. That's why what I do for him is what I do.

He can actually jungle fairly well. Starting items I prefer cloth armor and 5 pots but you can start with vampiric scepter or brawlers gloves as well if you would like. You have choices for your runes. I would run attack speed or arpen reds, armor or crit chance yellows, crit chance or attack speed blues and armor pen or crit chance quints. Run 20/0/10 making sure to get 2/2 in Utility Mastery and 4/4 in the experience one. Ghost/Smite or Smite/Flash. Start at Wraiths, smite the blue one kill the rest, don't eat your stacks. Go down to small golems and attack them, eat your stacks if you think you will lose them. Eat your stacks after they are dead and go up to wolves and kill those. Depending on your health and how lucky you were you can either port or continue jungling. Buy boots and pots if you port. Finish your wriggles or avarice blade next depending. I like wriggles since it has everything you want in an item. Damage, lifesteal and free wards. You can invade other jungles rather well due to having strong damage, a slow, fast clear times and a way to jump walls, AND if you are level 6 you can pretty much just screw with the other jungler and he can't do much about it.

Skilling order is Ult-Bloodlust-Mocking shout-Spin. Take a point in your spin at level 2 and a point in shout at level 4.

Math_Mage

2011-03-30, 01:15 AM

I know, but frankly, Tryndamere is a terrible jungler. That's why what I do for him is what I do.

He's actually pretty good. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viQmg1l4swM)

Inhuman Bot

2011-03-30, 02:12 AM

mplies, he would be playing Starcraft 2 competitively in Korea and earning 6-figure salaries yearly. I guess that's remotely amusing but at the same time pretty silly :smalltongue:

I don't recall which, but he's made it no secret that he just asked a professional Starcraft player to play on his account for him.

Renekton

As the person who takes credit for being one of the first decent Renekton players, I can't reccomened him enough. He's like Nocturne or Jarvan, in that even if you build defensively, he'll do a good amount of damage. He should get some offensive items, though, as he's not quite as innately offensive as Jarvan or Nocturne.

Jax

The champ is probably one of the worst characters in the game right now, barring Twisted Treeline play.

As for my second question... I'm having trouble playing Olaf. Can anyone give me tips on how to play him or a suggested build (without linking me to Mobafire)?

Olaf isn't a good jungler at all right now. Like, he can, but he's terrible. Udyr, Warwick, Shaco, Rammus, Fiddlesticks, Nocturne.. Pretty much all of the more commonly used junglers simply do much better then him. Might want to let him sit on the bench for now.

Math_Mage

2011-03-30, 02:43 AM

Olaf isn't a good jungler at all right now. Like, he can, but he's terrible. Udyr, Warwick, Shaco, Rammus, Fiddlesticks, Nocturne.. Pretty much all of the more commonly used junglers simply do much better then him. Might want to let him sit on the bench for now.

Dwuh? Might wanna talk to TheOddOne about that. :smallconfused: Especially when you're putting Fiddlesticks above Olaf, considering that Fiddlesticks is virtually absent from Ranked play.

Zen Master

2011-03-30, 04:20 AM

Faulty

2011-03-30, 06:02 AM

Astrella

2011-03-30, 06:06 AM

Alternatively, Lux is also very interesting, with her staying power being her incredible range.

Zen Master

2011-03-30, 06:20 AM

I know you're asking about Blitz, but may I suggest Anivia?

Alternatively, Lux is also very interesting, with her staying power being her incredible range.

I've tried Anivia. I get hammered. That might have to do with not having the runes for it, and being at best mediocre with skill shots. I've not tried Lux - but she is skill-shotty also.

And der Crank has only one skill shot, which is his initiation - which I think will be somewhat similar to Shens charge, only different.

EDIT: Also, Blitzcrank is free this week.

Brother Oni

2011-03-30, 06:37 AM

I've tried Anivia. I get hammered. That might have to do with not having the runes for it, and being at best mediocre with skill shots. I've not tried Lux - but she is skill-shotty also.

And der Crank has only one skill shot, which is his initiation - which I think will be somewhat similar to Shens charge, only different.

Taric has a stun, along with good survivability (two heals and an armour buff).

Cho'gath has a skillshot knockup and silence, and excellent survivability.

Xin has a knockup and is fairly durable, provided he can avoid CC himself.

Galio has a skillshot slow and an aoe taunt, but he might be too tanky for what you're looking for.

Zen Master

2011-03-30, 07:01 AM

Taric has a stun, along with good survivability (two heals and an armour buff).

Cho'gath has a skillshot knockup and silence, and excellent survivability.

Xin has a knockup and is fairly durable, provided he can avoid CC himself.

Galio has a skillshot slow and an aoe taunt, but he might be too tanky for what you're looking for.

Heh ... 'you can get the girls, and you can get the video machines - but the advice on Blitzcrank you ask for, you cannot have!'

Quote, slightly modified: Some danish band ...

I've played Galio with some succes, and liked him ok. I've seen Taric in action, and he seems rather awesome. Xin is undeniably effective, but he isn't really durable. Cho'gath might be fun.

Still tho - Crank is free. Is there some reason I shouldn't play him?!

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 07:05 AM

So I've been looking for a champ with decent CC - like a stun or similar, but also with enough staying power to not die constantly. I was thinking Sion, but then ... Blitzcrank is free this week.

How do you play ze crank?

Blitz, hmm. Straight tank or Triforce > Tank builds are generally the best on him. Learn to Flash > Tow people and avoid using tow at max range if not necessary. Blitz generally takes the slot of support in a team; you want to run CV on him for surprise tows. He's one of the best level 1 champs and that's a big part of his game. Use Towers in conjunction with your Tow to form a dangerous area for the opposition and even kill somebody.

The usual sequence for him is Tow > Power Fist (> Ult); hence Sheen being so good, since you're Power Fisting them anyways. And he hurts with Overdrive, and is very hard to escape. His passive is a superb defensive ability, very similar to Anivia's egg and Poppy's passive so he can actually take a lot more punishment than what it looks like (especially with some mana items).

He's a decent roamer and a solid duolaner. He can solo but he isn't all that good there, and probably misses some CS. Overall, a pretty fun champ; pretty simple to build and play too. Tow is the big thing; well, that and ult-timing (AoE silence = good).

Spartacus

2011-03-30, 07:20 AM

So playing as Nocturne, it seems nigh-impossible to escape him if he has any sort of cooldown reduction. His ganks are fearsome, and very potent. Also, the damage bonus from his q is quite high. Better, even, than Janna's buff.

Dralnu

2011-03-30, 08:26 AM

So I've been looking for a champ with decent CC - like a stun or similar, but also with enough staying power to not die constantly. I was thinking Sion, but then ... Blitzcrank is free this week.

How do you play ze crank?

This (http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/b-b-b-by-bb-beginners-build-for-blitzcrank-26222) is a solid guide for him. I think Blitz is a great support/offtank. Building up his mana makes him tanky but in a very sneaky way. All too often people will try to focus you down and then overcommit when your shield pops up, not understanding that it absorbs a TON of damage by the mid-lategame.

Blitz is very, very good. But to maximize his potential you must master his defining skill, rocketgrab. This just comes down to practice. You'll likely miss a lot of the first attempts with it but with time you'll be forcing your hands on anyone you want. Rocketgrab will be your main source of kills and assists. It meshes extremely well with allies, especially high damage dealers or other CC-heavy champs like Rammus. It turns you into a wicked laning partner and an excellent roamer. Rocketgrab champs into your towers, rocketgrab low hp champs thinking their safe at their towers, rocketgrab unsuspecting champs from bushes or through walls, ROCKETGRAB!!!

term1nally s1ck

2011-03-30, 08:38 AM

Blitz is amazing. I'd currently say run either main tank or Sheen/Tank, and roam or duo lane. And if they require golem at L1? Pull golem from behind at about 2:05, and lol as it heals to full on reset.

I took clairvoyance, and pulled a golem away from fiddle no less than 5 times in a row. Oddly we won that game, since I was alternating golem pulls with ganks on mid/bot, and we had L6 chars before he BEGAN his jungle.

TechnOkami

2011-03-30, 09:03 AM

He can actually jungle fairly well. Starting items I prefer cloth armor and 5 pots but you can start with vampiric scepter or brawlers gloves as well if you would like. You have choices for your runes. I would run attack speed or arpen reds, armor or crit chance yellows, crit chance or attack speed blues and armor pen or crit chance quints. Run 20/0/10 making sure to get 2/2 in Utility Mastery and 4/4 in the experience one. Ghost/Smite or Smite/Flash. Start at Wraiths, smite the blue one kill the rest, don't eat your stacks. Go down to small golems and attack them, eat your stacks if you think you will lose them. Eat your stacks after they are dead and go up to wolves and kill those. Depending on your health and how lucky you were you can either port or continue jungling. Buy boots and pots if you port. Finish your wriggles or avarice blade next depending. I like wriggles since it has everything you want in an item. Damage, lifesteal and free wards. You can invade other jungles rather well due to having strong damage, a slow, fast clear times and a way to jump walls, AND if you are level 6 you can pretty much just screw with the other jungler and he can't do much about it.

Skilling order is Ult-Bloodlust-Mocking shout-Spin. Take a point in your spin at level 2 and a point in shout at level 4

He's actually pretty good.

O_O... my life is a lie T_T

Penguinizer

2011-03-30, 09:22 AM

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 09:30 AM

After a few disastrous games as Twisted Fate I've come to the conclusion I've forgotten how to play him. Anyone care to give me a crash course?

Anyways, my build:

Berserker's Greaves/Merc Treads, Sheen, Rageblade, Nashor's Tooth, finish Lichbane, Banshee's Veil.

What the deuce? Don't build him hybrid, build him AP with Lichbane or straight AD relying on Stacked Deck with AsPd items (SotD, Bers, the works). For Sheen-build, the second item is Deathcap, not Rageblade or Tooth. It's just so much better it's ridiculous.

Sidelane push, goldcard gate gank, rock it out. AP more teamfighty, AD more pushy, both gank like a ton of bricks and have solid pushes and tower nukes.

Silverraptor

2011-03-30, 10:12 AM

Manditory Free Nocturne Week Comic (http://www.massivepwnage.com/03302011/).

Volatar

2011-03-30, 10:12 AM

All I have to say on Singed is that he's a ton of fun.

I've got a question that's probably been answered in a previous thread:

Who's your favorite champion, everyone? So far, I've experimented a lot. I really enjoy Rammus, Gangplank, Nocturne, Teemo, Singed, and Akali, of whom I own all except Nocturne and Teemo.
Oh I have no idea anymore. I keep switching around.

So I've been looking for a champ with decent CC - like a stun or similar, but also with enough staying power to not die constantly. I was thinking Sion, but then ... Blitzcrank is free this week.

Annie is a stun machine, and if you build her with items that are not straight AP (RoA, Rylai's, etc) and position correctly, she is actually a very very durable burst mage.

Shadowleaf

2011-03-30, 10:18 AM

None of the Twitches I've seen so far have been bad, though I am the only Twitch I've seen. Oddly enough I've seen an Eve and a Shaco and no one else is taking advantage of Twitch being free for (what I think) is the first time ever.
Twitch was free around.. A year or so ago. Maybe longer.

Also free Twitch week makes me cry. I only play Twitch. :smallfrown:

Silverraptor

2011-03-30, 10:22 AM

Twitch was free around.. A year or so ago. Maybe longer.

Also free Twitch week makes me cry. I only play Twitch. :smallfrown:

Now's your chance to learn someone else while the enemy is playing twitch. Admittedly, most enemy twitch's will be bad, but still.

Dogmantra

2011-03-30, 10:25 AM

Blitz, hmm. Straight tank or Triforce > Tank builds are generally the best on him.

Mario and I both tend to play something that's not full tank, and while I've certainly had success with Blitztank, I'm gonna go right ahead and say it:
it's not that good.

Okay, that's something of a lie. I'd be totally okay building Blitztank in a full five with perfect co-ordination and stuff, but that just will not happen. You can pull 'em and then... well you can't follow it up.

The way I build Blitzcrank, and the way I have had most success is this:
Start with Doran's Ring
Trinity Force (Sheen > Relevant boots > Phage > Zeal)
Infinity Edge
Phantom Dancer
Right now you are probably squishy. So get yourself Randuin's, Frozen Heart, Banshee's Veil or Quicksilver Sash.
Again, defensive item. If not then get a Black Cleaver or something.

Yes, it's quite an expensive build, but the core of Triforce + IE makes you an absurd crit monster. You get so many damage multipliers, to the extent that your crit Power Fists will end up doing about 1k damage with a Triforce proc. It also has the benefit of being able to outrun certain slower champions while they're ghosting.

Archangel Yuki

2011-03-30, 10:54 AM

Olaf isn't a good jungler at all right now. Like, he can, but he's terrible. Udyr, Warwick, Shaco, Rammus, Fiddlesticks, Nocturne.. Pretty much all of the more commonly used junglers simply do much better then him. Might want to let him sit on the bench for now.

What? Olaf is one of the fastest junglers in the game. His ganks are lackluster, sure, but those junglers you listed do not "simply do better then him."

Winthur

2011-03-30, 11:19 AM

Olaf is fast. Very fast.
He can also get counterjungled during his initial run because he tends to drop low if he wants to maintain his godly jungling speed. :smallfrown:
However, after he gets both buffs and has enough health, then he will win most 1v1 fights.
And once he has Wriggle, he sustains himself pretty well, so I don't get Anatharon's point. Other than the initial risk of getting first blooded by an Evelynn (and lackluster ganks until you master the stupid Undertow), Olaf is great.

I relieved my love for Rammus, btw. Simply because with my new rune page I easily finish the jungle in less than 4 minutes. :smallcool:

Khaeta

2011-03-30, 11:29 AM

Olaf jungle stuff

They changed smite to true damage; didn't that hit his jungle pretty hard?

Arbitrarity

2011-03-30, 11:33 AM

No. You still spellvamp true damage. See Spellvamp Cho'gath.

Dogmantra

2011-03-30, 11:34 AM

No. You still spellvamp true damage. See Spellvamp Cho'gath.

See also: Spellvamp Nunu.

BEST BUILD.
(the sad thing is that WotA + four Gunblades + boots is actually a decent Nunu build)

toasty

2011-03-30, 11:49 AM

See also: Spellvamp Nunu.

BEST BUILD.
(the sad thing is that WotA + four Gunblades + boots is actually a decent Nunu build)

The only thing Nunu needs is Bveil. After that it doesn't really matter.

efdf

2011-03-30, 11:50 AM

Olaf has the fastest non-gimmick clear time, a perma-slow from level 1 and never drops below 40%, he's pretty much invulnerable to counterjungling.

Brother Oni

2011-03-30, 12:02 PM

Heh ... 'you can get the girls, and you can get the video machines - but the advice on Blitzcrank you ask for, you cannot have!'

No, it's just that I have no real experience playing as Blitz, just playing against Blitz.

I think quite a few people have posted some Blitzcrank advice up though.

Dogmantra

2011-03-30, 12:06 PM

Olaf has the fastest non-gimmick clear time, a perma-slow from level 1 and never drops below 40%, he's pretty much invulnerable to counterjungling.

Karthus is not a gimmick. :smallannoyed:

Faulty

2011-03-30, 12:29 PM

Karthus is not a gimmick. :smallannoyed:

Yes he is. .-. He's easily counter-jungled, and is better in lane, and there are better people for the jungle.

Dogmantra

2011-03-30, 01:08 PM

Yes he is. .-. He's easily counter-jungled, and is better in lane, and there are better people for the jungle.

Amazingly fast clear, requires no special buys that you otherwise wouldn't, damn strong ganks, can give red buff to the carry whenever they want it since he doesn't need it at all, stays far above the duo-lane in level if you do it right, clears quickly enough (and once you have a revolver with pretty much 100% health retention) that you can counter-jungle in between creep spawns. He can solo Dragon pretty early (I think he's the fourth earliest Dragoner after Nunu, Fiddles and Amumu,) and when he hits 6 unless he shows himself, his opponents don't know that he's 6 and often play a bit too aggressively. Also, he is incredibly unreliant on Summoner Spells so taking Smite is not really a downside because they're a luxury on Karthus. I'd love an Exhaust, a Flash, a Teleport or an Ignite on Amumu but I can't because I need Smite. On Karthus? Eh, means I don't get my Revive. Big deal. I've seen Nunus dominate lanes and I've never seen a Nunu lose a lane (though I've seen them not win it). Nothing wrong with putting people in somewhere unusual if it works.

So your only valid complaint is that it's a bit easy to counterjungle him early. But that's true of basically everyone who isn't Warwick Wolft or Nunu.

And of course there's the major point of the fact that my tongue was so firmly in my cheek that my parents were getting ready to drive me to the ER for a hole in my face.

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 01:31 PM

Amazingly fast clear, requires no special buys that you otherwise wouldn't, damn strong ganks, can give red buff to the carry whenever they want it since he doesn't need it at all, stays far above the duo-lane in level if you do it right, clears quickly enough (and once you have a revolver with pretty much 100% health retention) that you can counter-jungle in between creep spawns. He can solo Dragon pretty early (I think he's the fourth earliest Dragoner after Nunu, Fiddles and Amumu,) and when he hits 6 unless he shows himself, his opponents don't know that he's 6 and often play a bit too aggressively. Also, he is incredibly unreliant on Summoner Spells so taking Smite is not really a downside because they're a luxury on Karthus. I'd love an Exhaust, a Flash, a Teleport or an Ignite on Amumu but I can't because I need Smite. On Karthus? Eh, means I don't get my Revive. Big deal. I've seen Nunus dominate lanes and I've never seen a Nunu lose a lane (though I've seen them not win it). Nothing wrong with putting people in somewhere unusual if it works.

So your only valid complaint is that it's a bit easy to counterjungle him early. But that's true of basically everyone who isn't Warwick Wolft or Nunu.

And of course there's the major point of the fact that my tongue was so firmly in my cheek that my parents were getting ready to drive me to the ER for a hole in my face.

Wolft = Mr. T's Wolf counterpart? That plays WW?

Dogmantra

2011-03-30, 01:32 PM

Wolft = Mr. T's Wolf counterpart? That plays WW?

Probably. You'd have to ask the random pubby who insisted on typing WOLFT! every time I died in that one game I had ages ago.

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 01:34 PM

Probably. You'd have to ask the random pubby who insisted on typing WOLFT! every time I died in that one game I had ages ago.

That's friggin' awesome!

toasty

2011-03-30, 02:02 PM

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 02:07 PM

Karthus lanes for the same reason Cho Gath lanes. Nunu jungles because his counter-jungle/roaming is better than his laning.

Its not that he's bad, its that he does something else better and that other heroes jungle better.

Bob is starting to convince me that Warwick is a better solo laner than he is a jungler. :smalltongue:

Spartacus

2011-03-30, 02:30 PM

Warwick has some good staying power as far as HP, but I find harassing to be a lost cause against anyone with anything ranged, ever.

Then again, I am clearly not as good as Guardsman Bob, nor have I seen him play.

toasty

2011-03-30, 02:52 PM

Bob is starting to convince me that Warwick is a better solo laner than he is a jungler. :smalltongue:

Tbh, while I haven't seen Bob do this, I believe you and I wouldn't be surprised if that happens more and more. Warwick has the staying power and is a useful Tanky DPS, in some regards at least.

Makensha

2011-03-30, 03:01 PM

Yes he is. .-. He's easily counter-jungled, and is better in lane, and there are better people for the jungle.

Yes he is. .-.

.-.
I'm going to have nightmares over that smiley. Seriously, who has eyes UNDER THEIR MOUTH?!

Anyway, has anyone ever had a match with two double jungles? That would be a stream I would actually watch. I'm thinking WW Karthus vs. Fiddle Teemo. The jungle dynamics would be exciting.

pilvento

2011-03-30, 03:01 PM

Joran

2011-03-30, 03:10 PM

So guys what do you think about the new champion, i havent seen any post here about him. i saw the spotligt yesterday, and i think that after a few buffs, little lee sin, the blind monk will be ready to hit the fields of justice as a really competitive carry, bruiser, mele, tank, assasin, dps, mage, support, junlging champion.

You're missing the obvious role of pusher. Also, if they buff him just right, he'll be able to fill the most important role in the game: "recommended".

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 03:12 PM

You're missing the obvious role of pusher. Also, if they buff him just right, he'll be able to fill the most important role in the game: "recommended".

He might get it initially but as he seems pretty underpowered, they'll prolly buff him later by removing it.

Douglas

2011-03-30, 03:12 PM

You're missing the obvious role of pusher. Also, if they buff him just right, he'll be able to fill the most important role in the game: "recommended".
Yes, it was such a horrible nerf to Urgot that one time they removed his "recommended" tag without changing anything else.

Faulty

2011-03-30, 03:13 PM

I'm going to have nightmares over that smiley. Seriously, who has eyes UNDER THEIR MOUTH?!

He's sad.

So he's upside down. .-.

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 03:14 PM

Yes, it was such a horrible nerf to Urgot that one time they removed his "recommended" tag without changing anything else.

No, that was an amazing fix; Urgot was underpowered so they fixed him by removing the Recommended tag. Then he became amazing.

Faulty

2011-03-30, 03:16 PM

No, that was an amazing fix; Urgot was underpowered so they fixed him by removing the Recommended tag. Then he became amazing.

Losing the Recommended tag just made him FotM and then when they buffed him later people lost interest. LoL's fan base can be such sheep. :smallannoyed:

pilvento

2011-03-30, 03:17 PM

for reals, he will be released, i dont think riot designed all his skills in game just for a joke. and after everyone lost his ip in nocturne (i didnt i was out of ip due to jarv so i bought some RP and im not proud) releasing lee sin its the perfect deal

Faulty

2011-03-30, 03:18 PM

He will be released and he'll be 450 and he will revive Urf as his ultimate.

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 03:19 PM

He will be released and he'll be 450 and he will revive Urf as his ultimate.

That only works on the Harvest-map tho :smallfrown:

pilvento

2011-03-30, 03:21 PM

u all sound so upsed, i had a lot of fun watching the spotlight. baron nastor killing himself? lolz!!!

Duos

2011-03-30, 03:25 PM

Huzzah!

I finally hit thirty after a long and arduous journey of playing games with random pubbies. If anybody feels like queuing up for game with a newly hatched max level player, I'm DapperGuy in case people still have space on their massively full friend lists.

Now, if I could only figure out how to get my ultra-finicky webcam mic to work with mumble or teamspeak...

SidCoolios

2011-03-30, 04:19 PM

He's sad.

So he's upsad down. .-.

fixed it for you Faulty

Neftren

2011-03-30, 04:47 PM

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1867/captureetj.png

Such a fantastic game ^^

Dogmantra

2011-03-30, 04:51 PM

I just played my first game with Kennen, M.D.

First thing said to me by my team, after "okay" to me saying I'd be okay soloing top, was "nice skin kennen". Then their Twitch kept making jokes about me being a doctor. He asked if he really needed the surgery after I killed him so I told him he should at least be grateful that I stunned him so he didn't feel anything. Then I bought an Oracle's because I had enough monies and he said that not only did I have the precision, but also the sight. So I told him I liked to think of it as my stethoscope detecting his vibrations. Then at the end he said "Funny Kennen. Nice to meet ya ;)"

I think I like this skin.

Silverraptor

2011-03-30, 05:16 PM

Eldariel

2011-03-30, 05:18 PM

Wow. I have a newfound respect for the new bots (yeah, I know they cheat). Just played a game, jungled Udyr; I kinda only ganked every now and then and killed a few bots here and there and got myself real farmed without pushing much, and to my astonishment:
- The bots were able to push down our whole friggin' midlane. They even got the inhibitor tower though that's as far as they got. They could've probably won if I didn't start participating more. This quite possibly surprised me the most since I hadn't really considered their pushes credible before, but apparently they're fully able to smash a not-so-tiptop team.
- I was a fed Udyr and I couldn't kill more than two at once; once I finished my build and ran into all 5, I had to promptly hightail it out after Annie bursted me, I was ignited and Impure Shot and taking craptons of damage at 1/3rd HP. Sure, part of it was the fact that they had some Banshees which made my stuns harder to land and that MF bot kept nuking my self healing down but still, fed udyr is real badass and I died (thrice though much of that was experimentation with stuff).
- When more than one of us were present, Annie ignored me and ran straight to nuke a squishy. Sure, I could put quite the pain on her but her Banshee blocked my stun and she was able to one-hit combo anyone else on our team so by the time I killed her, the damage was done.
- I died. Thrice. Even though I actually didn't fool around much (other than intentionally refusing to push and win, just to see how well they'd be able to do). They actually really hurt. Over 200 Armor & MR and over 3000 HP and I still wasn't immortal (though when not faced with their whole team, quite close).
I'll actually have to take back my previous assessment; I'm not sure it's possible to 1v5 these bots like with the old bots, at least without using a champion AI just can't handle (Singed or Heimer, for example, really wreck AI since they don't understand the poison trail or the turrets).

Btw, regarding how much they cheat:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8595/botgold.png

It seems like they'd get about twice the gold players get (I had lots of kills and farm hence my score but my teammates only had roughly 5 kills over the bots and mediocre farm).

It also seems like they don't sell their items since Annie-bot's build at the end was Doran's Ring > Sorcs > Haunting Guise > Deathcap > Banshee > Voidstaff even though she could've clearly afforded to trade Doran's Ring and Haunting Guise for more expensive items.