(3.P) Justice of Weald and Woe (Champions of Ruin)

[Duncan_Ruadrik]

So... Champions of Ruin, page 48. Suddenly, this prestige class is a lot more attractive when I first picked up the book.It seems like a quite decent archery PrC. Honestly, I cant think of one better in 3.5

Has anyone used this class? what was your experience? What is (in your opinion) the best entry into this class?

Thanks in advance!

[Aemoh87]

I love this class and i have used it as a boss before. But my advise is ENTER QUICKLY. It is a well built PrC but the skills can make is tricky to enter. You almost have to go ranger. It's the only way to get the BAB and the skills. I haven't thought of any other way.

As for making the build good, there is a ton you can do since this is such a well rounded prestige class. But at the same time this is not the best archer build in the game, even though I would say it is my favorite since there is so much it can do and it is very fun. I especially like how it is not built completely towards combat (which is how almost all builds are judged). This PrC puts the Assassin PrC to shame.

[Duncan_Ruadrik]

Ive been trying to think of a way to make a stealthy, sneak attack-y ranged build, and this seems to be the best way... I just looked, and i think that you could make it in quite easily with a level 8 Wilderness rogue as well as Ranger 6.

Now i just have to decide which...

[Aemoh87]

The problem with the wilderness rogue entry is some of the best features will be even further away... aka Steady Hand and Hide in Plain Sight.

To bad there isn't a ranger/rogue stacking feat :(

[Duncan_Ruadrik]

The problem with the wilderness rogue entry is some of the best features will be even further away... aka Steady Hand and Hide in Plain Sight.

To bad there isn't a ranger/rogue stacking feat :(

you have no idea how much I have wanted that mythical feat in the past. No idea.

[nyarlathotep]

I love this class and i have used it as a boss before. But my advise is ENTER QUICKLY. It is a well built PrC but the skills can make is tricky to enter. You almost have to go ranger. It's the only way to get the BAB and the skills. I haven't thought of any other way.


In pathfinder crossclass skills no longer have the 1/2 limit so the skills are a non-issue. Though if you are playing pathfinder the requirements should all be lowered by 3 ranks do to the limit being your character level rather than level +3.

[Duncan_Ruadrik]

In pathfinder crossclass skills no longer have the 1/2 limit so the skills are a non-issue. Though if you are playing pathfinder the requirements should all be lowered by 3 ranks do to the limit being your character level rather than level +3.

Yeah, I am aware of the tweaks necessary for pathfinder play. Anyone have any ideas of how to optimize this a bit? Im playing in a group with two clerics and druid... the druid may change to a duelist, we shall see.

[Aemoh87]

Optimization is really hard with this class. My honest opinion. Mercantile Background if you can since you need a bunch of utility items. Predator Cloak, Deadly precision bow.

I really like merciful strike [ambush feat], since it allows you to be a better man hunter if your playing humanoid heavy camp.

Dead eye from Dragon Comp is a must, remember the errata so you can actually qualify for the feat (makes it BAB +1).

In reality if any of the three players optimize your in trouble. Cleric is still a better archer than you. Really this class is best when playing a roleplay heavy group since it has so much utility and options.

[Duncan_Ruadrik]

Optimization is really hard with this class. My honest opinion. Mercantile Background if you can since you need a bunch of utility items. Predator Cloak, Deadly precision bow.

I really like merciful strike [ambush feat], since it allows you to be a better man hunter if your playing humanoid heavy camp.

Dead eye from Dragon Comp is a must, remember the errata so you can actually qualify for the feat (makes it BAB +1).

In reality if any of the three players optimize your in trouble. Cleric is still a better archer than you. Really this class is best when playing a roleplay heavy group since it has so much utility and options.

Well... one of them is alright at optimization. He is power attacking with a spear though. Point is , I am the best optimizer in our group, and I wanted a challenge... Justice of Weald and Woe seems to be that, and fulfill my parties need for a semi-skill monkey and a ranged character.

[Aemoh87]

Well... one of them is alright at optimization. He is power attacking with a spear though. Point is , I am the best optimizer in our group, and I wanted a challenge... Justice of Weald and Woe seems to be that, and fulfill my parties need for a semi-skill monkey and a ranged character.

Try to be the supremely prepared ultimate utility character that no one can escape. Another trick is realize that your a skill monkey but you need the items to support your party with your skills. If you jump a gap you need a way to get your party over. Focus on ideas like that.

[Duncan_Ruadrik]

excellent advice, thank you. I'll try to keep it in mind. NOw i just need to work out a build...