warforged dragonborn of bahamut?

[kiryoku]

do the rules allow a warforged to become a dragonborn.
i know common sense says no but this is D&D and it does what it wants to.

[AslanCross]

Since the wording in the book is ambiguous, it should be up to the DM. I'd totally allow it, though.

[kiryoku]

ya but how odd looking would one be.
i mean its a living construct with scales or am i misunderstanding how you became one.

[Lateral]

It would probably end up like a dragonborn with metal scales and a robotic jaw. With bionic wings.

Now add adamantine plating.

Hell. Yeah.

[Cog]

Yeah, it works. You'd lose the basic composite plating in the deal, but you still qualify for the armor feats as Lateral suggested.

Besides, it's not a biological transformation, it's a divine one. Why should Bahamut care that you happen to be made out of metal and wood rather than flesh and bone? Particularly a dragon god, of all creatures, should appreciate such fine metalwork. :smallcool:

[kiryoku]

good point i forgot it was divine.
well then that answered my question thanks

[AslanCross]

Yeah, it works. You'd lose the basic composite plating in the deal, but you still qualify for the armor feats as Lateral suggested.

Besides, it's not a biological transformation, it's a divine one. Why should Bahamut care that you happen to be made out of metal and wood rather than flesh and bone? Particularly a dragon god, of all creatures, should appreciate such fine metalwork. :smallcool:

Not to mention how a robot dragon paladin made out of black, ultrahard metal would be totally metal.

I can totally imagine it looking like this:
http://spawnkill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/WKC3.jpg

[stainboy]

Since the wording in the book is ambiguous, it should be up to the DM. I'd totally allow it, though.

There's something official from WotC that says yes. I can't remember if it's errata or custserv, but dragonborn aren't required to start as humanoid.

[kiryoku]

wow thats awesome

[Cog]

There's something official from WotC that says yes. I can't remember if it's errata or custserv, but dragonborn aren't required to start as humanoid.
The only source I'm aware of is the FAQ. Luckily the FAQ got things right for once. :smallyuk:

[Greenish]

It's a pretty good combo anyhows, since the only things a warforged would lose are slam, fortification (not even necessarily that, since it's a function of the plating) and basic plating (replaced by the feat anyhow).

The sweet, sweet immunities are a function of your subtype, which you don't lose. :smallcool:

[kiryoku]

nice i may use this then

[Runestar]

In rules compendium (page 22), one of the authors even talks about his PC, a dragonborn warforged warblade/dragon shaman/barbarian...:smallcool:

[HalfDragonCube]

You would however, become a humanoid (dragonblood).

Not particularly metallic.

[Tenebris]

You would however, become a humanoid (dragonblood).

Not particularly metallic.
Actually humanoid(dragonblood, living construct). Pretty much metallic, especially when Adamantine Body is thrown in.

[Prime32]

No, you'd be a Construct (dragonblood, living construct). The Mechanics of Rebirth sidebar clarifies that your type does not change to Humanoid if it wasn't already; dragonborn are just mentioned as Humanoids elsewhere because it was assumed that all PCs are Medium Humanoids.

This is WotC's typical view, and leads to things like an Aberration PC being unable to take Aberrant feats without Aberration Blood... which it can't take because it requires the Humanoid type.

[Tenebris]

True, I haven't noticed that the warforged are in fact constructs rather than humanoids.

[HalfDragonCube]

No, you'd be a Construct (dragonblood, living construct). The Mechanics of Rebirth sidebar clarifies that your type does not change to Humanoid if it wasn't already; dragonborn are just mentioned as Humanoids elsewhere because it was assumed that all PCs are Medium Humanoids.

I was reading the web enhancement which doesn't have the sidebar. Thanks for clarifying.

[McSmack]

I had a half-dragon warforged urban ranger once in a Planescape game. He was awesome.

That's not relevant to the conversation at hand though, I just didn't want to feel left out :)

[Hazzardevil]

Not to mention how a robot dragon paladin made out of black, ultrahard metal would be totally metal.

I can totally imagine it looking like this:
http://spawnkill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/WKC3.jpg

Even in black and white that looks epic!

Now a brightsteel warforged dragonborn of bahumut would make an epic sorcadin.
Brightsteel warforged is a homebrewdragonblood race made by that guy that makes tons of dragons. Wings. Spells. and the ability to smite in the name of bahamut.
Must try it.

[kiryoku]

you guys already said this but this is from the book

THE MECHANICS OF REBIRTH
Upon transformation from her initial race to a dragonborn,
a supplicant loses many racial traits and gains those of the
dragonborn. The following information describes how to mechanically
achieve this transformation.

Type, Subtype, and Race: You retain your original type and
subtypes, gaining the dragonblood subtype. You still count as
a member of your original race for the purpose of any effect or
prerequisite that depends on race.

Racial Hit Dice: You retain your original racial Hit Dice, as well
as all benefits gained therefrom (base attack and save bonuses,
skill points, hit points, and so on).

Ability Modifiers: You retain your original racial ability modifiers
and gain the ability modifiers of the dragonborn race.

Size: You retain your original size. If the original race had
powerful build as a racial trait, it is also retained.

Speed: You retain your original base land speed, as well as any
other modes of movement possessed by your original race. Other
racial traits related to speed or movement, such as the dwarf’s
ability to move at full speed in medium or heavy armor, are lost.

Languages: You retain any languages you already know. You
gain Draconic as an automatic language.

Favored Class: You retain your original favored classes and
gain fighter as a favored class. You can multiclass into the paladin
class freely.

Level Adjustment: You retain your original level adjustment.

Other Racial Traits: You lose all other racial traits of your original
race, including bonus feats, skill bonuses, attack bonuses,
save bonuses, spell-like abilities, and so forth. Two specific
instances warrant clarification.

• If your original race granted you a nonspecific bonus feat (such
as the one gained by a human at 1st level), any feat can be lost,
so long as it is not a prerequisite for another feat you have.

• If your original race granted bonus skill points, you should
deduct an appropriate amount of skill points from your current
skill ranks. The specific skills affected are up to you,
but the DM’s input might be required to adjudicate tricky
situations (such as multiclass characters who might have
purchased ranks of various skills as both class skills and
cross-class skills).

The loss of racial traits might mean you no longer meet the
prerequisites for a prestige class, feat, or some other feature.
In general, you lose any special ability for which you no longer
qualify, and nothing is gained in its place. A couple of exceptions
exist.

• If you no longer qualify for a feat due to the transformation,
you lose the feat and immediately select a new feat for which
you qualify in its place. You must also replace any feat for
which the lost feat was a prerequisite.

• If you no longer qualify for a prestige class, you lose the benefit
of any class features or other special abilities granted by
the class. You retain Hit Dice gained from advancing in the
class, as well as any improvements to base attack bonus and
base save bonuses that the class provided. If you later meet
all the prerequisites for the class, you regain the benefits.

Special: Ordinarily, only a 1st-level character can select
certain feats requiring the dragonblood subtype (see Chapter
6). However, upon becoming a dragonborn, you can elect to
replace one (and only one) of your existing feats with one of
these feats. A character cannot have more than one of these
feats. The feat to be replaced cannot be a prerequisite for any
prestige class, ability, or other feat.

and i think you would be a living construct (dragonblooded) because living construct is a new type not a subtype of construct right?

[Cog]

Living construct is a subtype, not a type. The correct answer was already given earlier in the thread.

[kiryoku]

ok i was checking to make sure.

[Annos]

Really sad that i can't see the picture

[Frosty]

Can someone relink that pic please?

[Annos]

Can someone relink that pic please?

PLEASE:smallfrown: