View Full Version : Finishing the Fight: Halo/Forgotton Realms crossover
Marthinwurer
2011-04-23, 01:44 PM
Has anyone read this fanfic? I think that it is a cool story, and it really makes you wonder what chance an optimized wizard would have against Master Cheif. The link is here (http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=159198) if you want to read it.
Has anyone read this fanfic? I think that it is a cool story, and it really makes you wonder what chance an optimized wizard would have against Master Cheif. The link is here (http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=159198) if you want to read it.
See: Phantasmal Killer, Avascular Mass, Maw of Chaos.
Chief would be dust.
druid91
2011-04-23, 01:59 PM
See: Phantasmal Killer, Avascular Mass, Maw of Chaos.
Chief would be dust.
See construct traits.
The chief is a cyborg.
So double damage from electric and sonic damage. And total immunity to everything else.
And he has energy shields.
See construct traits.
The chief is a cyborg.
So double damage from electric and sonic damage. And total immunity to everything else.
And he has energy shields.
The chief is not a cyborg, he's just a man with mountain plate that has no maximum dex, and armor with Resist Energy (Fire): 20, that has a damage cap.
The mountain plate is also an intelligent item, and made of magically hardened adamantine. That.. is pretty much it.
druid91
2011-04-23, 02:08 PM
The chief is not a cyborg, he's just a man with mountain plate that has no maximum dex, and armor with Resist Energy (Fire): 20, that has a damage cap.
The mountain plate is also an intelligent item, and made of magically hardened adamantine. That.. is pretty much it.
He is a cyborg, in the books. Even in the games the grunts will yell "bad cyborg leave, me alone!"
The spartans didn't always have the mjolnir armour, and normal people can't use it. The UNSC tried and the strength amplification the armour provided shattered their skeletons.
Force
2011-04-23, 02:11 PM
One must also mention that said armor...
has a construct with somewhere around a +30 intelligence modifier and levels in Wizard riding around in it.
He is a cyborg, in the books. Even in the games the grunts will yell "bad cyborg leave, me alone!"
The spartans didn't always have the mjolnir armour, and normal people can't use it. The UNSC tried and the strength amplification the armour provided shattered their skeletons.
Yes, he's biologically enhanced with organic compounds, the chief still needs to eat, still needs to breathe..
Yeah, he's super human, but still human.
He still has skin, organic eyes, and an organic set of organs underneath all those fancy protections.
Also, Cortana is more like an Artificer as opposed to a wizard. Wizard implies the ability to mind rape, etc.
Special equipment, and grafts doesn't warrant a type change.
Also keep in mind something like Avascular mass does Half of your HP in untyped damage with no save, but you do get a save to resist the stun. This is not effected by being a construct.
Prime32
2011-04-23, 02:22 PM
He still has skin, organic eyes, and an organic set of organs underneath all those fancy protections.Well, some of the fancy protections are under his skin, like the reinforcements to his bones. And he got a "retina inversion compound" (or something like that) for his eyes.
Marthinwurer
2011-04-23, 02:23 PM
Meh. You guys should read a few chapters of it, or just read the tvtropes page for it.
Tavar
2011-04-23, 02:24 PM
There's also the fact that this isn't really standard dnd. It's Forgotten Realms as it's portrayed in the fluff, which is insanely different from what it's portrayed in the mechanics. Especially since it's based on the Drizzt novels, which also lower the magic level a bit.
Coidzor
2011-04-23, 02:25 PM
Yes, he's biologically enhanced with organic compounds, the chief still needs to eat, still needs to breathe..
Yeah, he's super human, but still human.
I don't think you understand what a cyborg is. Cyborgs are generally at least mostly human though extreme modification will blur the lines as to what is man and what is machine, see: ghost in the shell and such.
Special equipment, and grafts doesn't warrant a type change.
Well, except for people who get golem arms grafted onto them. They become constructs despite being mostly soft unprotected flesh.
druid91
2011-04-23, 02:26 PM
Yes, he's biologically enhanced with organic compounds, the chief still needs to eat, still needs to breathe..
Yeah, he's super human, but still human.
He still has skin, organic eyes, and an organic set of organs underneath all those fancy protections.
Also, Cortana is more like an Artificer as opposed to a wizard. Wizard implies the ability to mind rape, etc.
Special equipment, and grafts doesn't warrant a type change.
Does near telepathy with other spartans, night-vision, nigh-indestructable skeleton, The ability to kick a two-ton mech so hard that it flies through the air and knocks the pilot out, near litterally lightning fast reflexes and actual lightning fast reflexes in the case of kelly... Need I go on?
And all that? That's before the Mjolnir armour. The armour that provides strength and speed boosts. And energy shields. And Com gear with orbiting ships.
Heck just getting a robot arm is enough to warrant a type change in D&D, with half golems.
I don't think you understand what a cyborg is. Cyborgs are generally at least mostly human though extreme modification will blur the lines as to what is man and what is machine, see: ghost in the shell and such.
Well, except for people who get golem arms grafted onto them. They become constructs despite being mostly soft unprotected flesh.
That doesn't make him immune to dying by sudden massive amounts of damage.
Or reversed gravity, or exhaustion.
The chief is still able to get tired, still has to breathe, etc.
Ergo, he doesn't really have all the qualifications for the construct type.
Coidzor
2011-04-23, 02:34 PM
You might want to take a step back and look at what you said. It's more ridiculous for him to have the construct type when translated into D&D than for these double amputees to be able to survive in vacuum? :smallconfused: Really?
And you kinda failed in explaining the justification for the distinction anyway...
You might want to take a step back and look at what you said. It's more ridiculous for him to have the construct type when translated into D&D than for these double amputees to be able to survive in vacuum? :smallconfused: Really?
And you kinda failed in explaining the justification for the distinction anyway...
Well, look at chief. Even in armor he still needs to breathe, still needs to eat, still bleeds, still does all those things humans do.
Honestly, the whole Construct type from an arm graft seems like RAW (Rules as written), then RAI (rules as intended).
By the same logic drowning people can't die, and death has no penalties, so someone who is blasted into infinity can still cast spells, and such.
Misery Esquire
2011-04-23, 03:44 PM
I think you're being a bit too complex with the plan. It's a lot simpler to ignore his creature type and stats, and just Plane Shift him to the Elemental Plane of ______. He's not a spellcaster, so there's no way back.
Prime32
2011-04-23, 04:03 PM
Read the first eight chapters and it seems interesting so far.
GloatingSwine
2011-04-23, 05:31 PM
That doesn't make him immune to dying by sudden massive amounts of damage.
Or reversed gravity, or exhaustion.
The chief is still able to get tired, still has to breathe, etc.
Ergo, he doesn't really have all the qualifications for the construct type.
No, you can't simply call him a construct and be done with it, however you also can't simply equate the Mjolnir armour to any extant Forgotten Realms armour, as it's fully NBC sealed and vacuum capable. A Spartan II would at the very least be immune to all effects of gas, vacuum, or liquid immersion.
druid91
2011-04-23, 07:36 PM
Well, look at chief. Even in armor he still needs to breathe, still needs to eat, still bleeds, still does all those things humans do.
Honestly, the whole Construct type from an arm graft seems like RAW (Rules as written), then RAI (rules as intended).
By the same logic drowning people can't die, and death has no penalties, so someone who is blasted into infinity can still cast spells, and such.
Nope it's an intended side effect. Just like the turning evil.
Nope it's an intended side effect. Just like the turning evil.
That doesn't stop.. you know.. instant immersion in lava, or being turned into a Squirrel.. or having Gravity reversed for him.. or having all water removed from his body through his pores..
Or you know.. being hit by a thousand magic missiles which ignore the resistances, and damage absorbing properties of any material ever.
Coidzor
2011-04-23, 07:46 PM
That doesn't stop.. you know.. instant immersion in lava, or being turned into a Squirrel.. or having Gravity reversed for him.. or having all water removed from his body through his pores..
Or you know.. being hit by a thousand magic missiles which ignore the resistances, and damage absorbing properties of any material ever.
Well, no, those are two different sub-topics by now anyway.
Though that whole energy shield thing might be a bit of a sticky wicket.
Well, no, those are two different sub-topics by now anyway.
Though that whole energy shield thing might be a bit of a sticky wicket.
It goes down under a hail of standard assault rifle fire.
The assault rifle does 2d8 damage in DnD.
5 attacks at that makes 10d8.
A maximized, empowered, intensified, invisible, sanctum, earth, etc, etc, arcane thesis'd Greater Missile storm does a garunteed 5X the maximum that can do.
Forum Explorer
2011-04-23, 08:04 PM
It goes down under a hail of standard assault rifle fire.
The assault rifle does 2d8 damage in DnD.
5 attacks at that makes 10d8.
A maximized, empowered, intensified, invisible, sanctum, earth, etc, etc, arcane thesis'd Greater Missile storm does a garunteed 5X the maximum that can do.
Don't even start with that. There is no reason to assume that a crossover assult rifle would do the same damage. Also isn't this supposed to be by the fluff of FR and not the mechanics?
Don't even start with that. There is no reason to assume that a crossover assult rifle would do the same damage. Also isn't this supposed to be by the fluff of FR and not the mechanics?
Again, by fluff the Chief isn't immune to having himself Decebrated through his armor..
But apparently, he is because of a RAW ruling.
Tazar
2011-04-23, 08:44 PM
Realistically, the Chief has access to weaponry that would allow him to murder wizards before they even knew he was there.
All the fancy magic in the world doesn't do you any good if you get a bullet through the head from a mile away before you even know you're in danger.
Wizard contingencies.
It said an optimized wizard, so let's throw Cindy against it.
Forum Explorer
2011-04-23, 09:14 PM
Again, by fluff the Chief isn't immune to having himself Decebrated through his armor..
But apparently, he is because of a RAW ruling.
Wait I read this thread a little closer. Lets read the fanfic in question before punching holes in the arguements in either direction. Or not if you can't stand fanfics.
EDIT: First impressions is what would happen if master cheif landed in the FE realms.
Coidzor
2011-04-23, 10:14 PM
FE Realms?
Electrohydra
2011-04-23, 10:37 PM
All the fancy magic in the world doesn't do you any good if you get a bullet through the head from a mile away before you even know you're in danger.
D&D high-level wizards can take a critical hit from a greatsword wielded by a 20' tall giant without dying (BEFORE magic comes in the picture), so I don't think 1 bullet is going to kill him.
Forum Explorer
2011-04-23, 10:50 PM
FE Realms?
Shush I got it right it my other post. :smallredface:
Coidzor
2011-04-23, 10:52 PM
Shush I got it right it my other post. :smallredface:
Thought you were referring to some group of novels or something, mostly.
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