Zz'dtri IS A Subversion of dark elves

[Alex Warlorn]

Zz'dtri IS A Subversion of dark elves, just not in the way Nale was selling him to get the heroes to trust him.

Zz'dtri is -loyal- to Nale, loyalty is NOT something dark elves are known for. Zz'dtri perfectly willing to kill an unsuspecting and non-hostile target, but he doesn't show the back-stab happy tendencies that his culture encourages.

After escaping the Lawyers he could have just dumped Nale like most of the others did and sold his services to the highest bidder again.

But Z has remained loyal to Nale. And he doesn't have demon overlords who are using Nale to run interference like Sabine or is too stupid to realize Nale is just using him like Thog!

[Neutral Evil]

Zz'dtri is -loyal- to Nale

We have zero evidence of that. We only know Z works for Nale.


loyalty is NOT something dark elves are known for.

Read a few D&D novels involving drow, you'd be surprised... Sure, statistically most of them are evil bastards/b!ches, but the "good" (including loyal) Drow is about as much a trope as the "evil" Drow.


Zz'dtri perfectly willing to kill an unsuspecting and non-hostile target, but he doesn't show the back-stab happy tendencies that his culture encourages.

I believe he was smiling the entire time he turned Haley to stone during the surprise round (backstab!) and fried V with lightning.


After escaping the Lawyers he could have just dumped Nale like most of the others did and sold his services to the highest bidder again.

The highest bidder being...? Also, the core team are still with Nale.


But Z has remained loyal to Nale. And he doesn't have demon overlords who are using Nale to run interference like Sabine or is too stupid to realize Nale is just using him like Thog!

This doesn't mean Z has any sort of personal loyalty towards Nale. More likely, their interests coincide somehow. Maybe it's money, or the opportunity to work in an evil adventuring party for loot and XP, or even some sort of hidden Drow agenda. Z's loyalty probably has a selfish motive, whatever it is. And it's perfect for Nale who sees himself as a champion of evil.

[Threeshades]

So he's not a racial stereotype. Good for him.

[Swordpriest]

Those are some impressively sweeping conclusions to reach from a couple of super-brief appearances of a secondary character. :smallsigh: Can you also give me some details about the subtle satirical use that the character Mauhur reveals in the Tolkien book "The Two Towers"? :smalltongue:

[sims796]

So he's not a racial stereotype. Good for him.

I really, really like this post.

[t209]

So he's not a racial stereotype. Good for him.

You are right but still he's evil,

[Giggling Ghast]

Zz'dtri is -loyal- to Nale, loyalty is NOT something dark elves are known for.

You say that as though dark elves cannot be loyal. Drow do not randomly betray their allies if they don't have anything to gain from it. Sure, they're evil, but they're not Stupid Evil.

And anyways, just because Zz'dtri is working with Nale does not mean he would not betray Nale in a heartbeat.


You are right but still he's evil

As Zz'dri was originally created as a parody of the "Chaotic Good rebel drow," it's actually refreshing to have an evil drow for a change.

[Alex Warlorn]

Z said he 'never stopped' working for Nale, even after escaping the lawyers. Unlike a certain Druid and Wizard he remained on Nale's team. He could have cut his losses and moved on but did not.

This would add another layers to the fixation for opposites the Guild has considering V's short lived stand alone complex.

[Morty]

We don't know what reason Zz'dtri has for working for Nale. We also don't know whether he approached Nale or was approached by him after the latter escaped from Azure City - since we also don't know how long ago Zz'drti was released from the Spooky Wizard's prison. In short, we don't know enough to call Zz'dtri a subversion of anything.

[Holy_Knight]

We don't know what reason Zz'dtri has for working for Nale. We also don't know whether he approached Nale or was approached by him after the latter escaped from Azure City - since we also don't know how long ago Zz'drti was released from the Spooky Wizard's prison. In short, we don't know enough to call Zz'dtri a subversion of anything.
This is true, so what are everyone's guesses? I like to imagine that after a long, drawn-out trial, Zz'dtri was freed and contacted Nale himself--a surprise bit of good fortune for the Linear Guild! Reuniting like that seems the most dramatically satisfying, somehow.

[Dr.Epic]

Not all dark elves are disloyal. You know how Belkar is both a halfling and homicidal? You know, two things that usually don't coincide.

[LOTRfan]

Not all dark elves are disloyal. You know how Belkar is both a halfling and homicidal? You know, two things that usually don't coincide.

You obviously haven't been playing the right games, then. :smallwink: