The kobold family

[King of Nowhere]

So, I'm wondering what kind of relationships occurred between the kobold family.
Yikyik was the father, he was much like belkar but he was actually a good father, according to yokyok, even if he disregarded with his son on major ethical issues. Who know how they behaved between each other? How could an evil and a good person get along together, without any of the father-son strain we've seen in families where they share the same alignment?
Then, there is yukyuk.
Son of yokyok, or brother, or some other relative? If son, it means that yikyik was quite old, being a grandfather already. Quite surprising he still went addventuring.
He also looks evil, which would add to the clashes in the family, but we still don't know. yikyik was a ranger, yokyok was maybe a duelist, yukyuk appears to be a rogue/ranger, given the mix of sneak attack and animal companion. So they pass the abilities inside the family, with every family member instructing the other, but they also try to personalize what they are taugth by their elders.
And they look fairly united, given their continuous quest to get revenge on belkar.

I think the kobold family may bdeserve some more backstory

[ThePhantasm]

YukYuk is clearly the mother of the family.

[Aurenthal]

clearly yukyuk has nothing to do with the family! I mean he says: "Yukyuk actually. What kind of stupid name would "Yakyak" would be?"

[cupkeyk]

It is possible that yikyik is very old, as a dragon subtype race, kobolds can live indefinitely but usually die a violent death at around 30~ years old.

Yakyak would be the mother. The name fits my mother.

[hamishspence]

It is possible that yikyik is very old, as a dragon subtype race, kobolds can live indefinitely but usually die a violent death at around 30~ years old.

Nope. Dragons, let alone dragon subtype races, do not live indefinitely.

Dragons die at some point after Great Wyrm (Draconomicon gives the age at which they have to start making increasingly difficult saves of die, for the various dragon races).

Races of the Dragon gives aging tables for kobolds.

[Deuterium Dawn]

I'm wondering what the latest kobold will end up as when he's dead.

[Alias]

Or maybe, for kobolds, third time is the charm - and he kills Belkar. The little creep is due.

[GrimTheMad]

belkar wins, end of story. The kobold has some crossbows, but Belkar has knives, which he has been shown to be very proficient with using at long distances.

[TheSummoner]

Yeah... Everyone knows YekYek is going to be the one to finally avenge the rest!

[Demonicbunny]

Yeah... Everyone knows YekYek is going to be the one to finally avenge the rest!

No! Yikyik Yokyok and Yukyuk will be ressurected as spectral avengers and chase Belkar to the tune of Yakety Sax.

[TheSummoner]

Well duh, but they aren't going to catch him. They'll chase him while the music plays for a minute or so and then Belkar, while running and paying more attention to them than whats in front of him will run straight into YekYek's dagger.

[Shoelessgdowar]

Well duh, but they aren't going to catch him. They'll chase him while the music plays for a minute or so and then Belkar, while running and paying more attention to them than whats in front of him will run straight into YekYek's dagger.

All of you are fools, Belkar will never die to any of the Y-ky-k family. Belkar is now immune to death, he has become its eternal helper as he has learned to play the game.

It took an entire village of Kobolds to even make Belkar sick. No single Kobold can kill him.

If Belkar is ever to die, it will be to a super Lawful Good and Wise Pacifist Titan named Rakleb, who is sooooo good he has no friends from turning them all in to the authorities for minor infractions, and will kill Belkar by accident; and when Rakleb kills Belkar, he will immediately demand he himself be executed for his heinous crime as he won't be able to live with himself for killing someone else.

[Gift Jeraff]

Being Belkar's opposite, Yukyuk should be a Good guy trying to genuinely turn to the Dark Side (as opposed to an Evil guy pretending to be a helper) out of anger from the death of his family. And since Belkar genuinely cares for Mr. Scruffy, Yukyuk should be a dog abuser. (Maybe Thog will kill him because of that.)


No! Yikyik Yokyok and Yukyuk will be ressurected as spectral avengers and chase Belkar to the tune of Yakety Sax.
This. Is the best thing I've read on this forum in a while.

[Blisstake]

Sir Scraggly isn't necesarily an animal companion, is he?

[Dr.Epic]

Do we even know if Yukyuk is related to the others?

[Swordpriest]

No proof of relationship, but the name does seem to be following a pattern. Could be totally unrelated, though.

[Dr.Epic]

No proof of relationship, but the name does seem to be following a pattern. Could be totally unrelated, though.

Meh, it seems all kobolds in this world have a two syllable name with the second being a repetition of the first. It could just be a coincidence.

[Shoelessgdowar]

Meh, it seems all kobolds in this world have a two syllable name with the second being a repetition of the first. It could just be a coincidence.

Well, the only Kobolds to have been individualy identified are:

The Oracle of Tiamat (not a name, a title)

Yikyik, Tracker of the Linear Guild
Yokyok, son of Yikyik (and parody of Inigo Montoya), LG and only working with the Guild, not an actual member.

Kilkil, Tarquin's/The Empire of Blood's Treasurer, and an Urd (term for flying Kobold subspecies)

Yukuk, Dual Crossbow wielding Ranger/Rogue, currently believed to be a Linear Guild member, and due to the naming scheme, most likely related to Yikyik and Yokyok (Maybe Yokyok's brother? Also Son of Yikyik?)

[KillianHawkeye]

Given the short time it takes kobolds to reach maturity compared to the length of their lifespans, there could in fact be several more generations of this family yet to be revealed.

[Burner28]

If Belkar is ever to die, it will be to a super Lawful Good and Wise Pacifist Titan named Rakleb, who is sooooo good he has no friends from turning them all in to the authorities for minor infractions, and will kill Belkar by accident; and when Rakleb kills Belkar, he will immediately demand he himself be executed for his heinous crime as he won't be able to live with himself for killing someone else.
Wow... This Rakhleb must sound "interesting":smalltongue:

[RunicLGB]

No proof of relationship, but the name does seem to be following a pattern. Could be totally unrelated, though.

I think this pattern is also reaching its end.

Vowels as listed in the alphabet: A E I O U

Kobolds of the Y_ky_k family:

Yakyak: A stupid name.
Yekyek: Never heard of em.
Yikyki: Kobold number 1.
Yokyok: Kobold number 2.
Yukyuk: Kobold numer 3.

So unless the pattern arbitrarily hops back to E (which would not really suprose me) I think Yukyuk may be the last of the kobold family we see.

[ref]

No! Yikyik Yokyok and Yukyuk will be ressurected as spectral avengers and chase Belkar to the tune of Yakyakety Sax.

Fixed that.

[ThePhantasm]

So unless the pattern arbitrarily hops back to E (which would not really suprose me) I think Yukyuk may be the last of the kobold family we see.

Perhaps another hint that the LG is not long for this world.

[The Dark Fiddler]

I think this pattern is also reaching its end.

Vowels as listed in the alphabet: A E I O U

Kobolds of the Y_ky_k family:

Yakyak: A stupid name.
Yekyek: Never heard of em.
Yikyki: Kobold number 1.
Yokyok: Kobold number 2.
Yukyuk: Kobold numer 3.

So unless the pattern arbitrarily hops back to E (which would not really suprose me) I think Yukyuk may be the last of the kobold family we see.

It could wrap around back to A, meaning we get Yakyak next. HE doesn't like Yukyuk, because he always teased him about his name.

Also, don't forget that Y is sometimes a vowel, so we could have YykYyk :smallwink:

[Arrowstorm122]

Maybe Yukyuk will be a recurring kobold? Kinda old to see Belkar get kobold after kobold killed. He looks like he can be an awesome opposite.

[GrimTheMad]

Maybe Yukyuk will be a recurring kobold? Kinda old to see Belkar get kobold after kobold killed. He looks like he can be an awesome opposite.

I rather like it. I'm voting for chestplate from YukYuk and and a hood/cape from Sir Scraggly.

[Yuki Akuma]

Kilkil, Tarquin's/The Empire of Blood's Treasurer, and an Urd (term for flying Kobold subspecies)

Or - and bear with me here, this might seem a little crazy - he could be something that actually exists in 3.5 D&D - a kobold who took the Draconic Wings feat.

[Swordpriest]

As far as that goes, couldn't we have Yookyook, Yeekyeek, etc.?

And are Yikyak, Yukyok, and the like entirely out of the question? :smallwink:

[paladinofshojo]

And since Belkar genuinely cares for Mr. Scruffy, Yukyuk should be a dog abuser. (Maybe Thog will kill him because of that.)


This. Is the best thing I've read on this forum in a while.

I think the dog is just there to give Mr. Scruffy an archrival, not some type of animal abuse joke.

[Keejus]

seconding Yykyyk being next

[RunicLGB]

seconding Yykyyk being next

Can you pronounce that? :smallamused:

[Gift Jeraff]

I think the dog is just there to give Mr. Scruffy an archrival, not some type of animal abuse joke.
Um...Of course that's Scraggly's purpose. But it was just conjecture on other ways Belkar and Yukyuk may be opposites.

I'm just dumbfounded on why you felt the need to point that out.:smallconfused:

[zimmerwald1915]

Can you pronounce that? :smallamused:
It sounds very similar to Yikyik.

[paladinofshojo]

Um...Of course that's Scraggly's purpose. But it was just conjecture on other ways Belkar and Yukyuk may be opposites.

I'm just dumbfounded on why you felt the need to point that out.:smallconfused:


Well....you don't get anymore opposite than cat/dog lovers.....I doubt Yukyuk will be a dogbeater, considering his companion is big enough to serve as his mount.....May also play into Belkar's halfling mount (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0140.html) gags (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0432.html)

[Shoelessgdowar]

It could wrap around back to A, meaning we get Yakyak next. HE doesn't like Yukyuk, because he always teased him about his name.

Also, don't forget that Y is sometimes a vowel, so we could have YykYyk :smallwink:


As far as that goes, couldn't we have Yookyook, Yeekyeek, etc.?

And are Yikyak, Yukyok, and the like entirely out of the question? :smallwink:



Other possibilities (Since Y is a vowel) Yckyck, Ymkymk, Yskysk, Yrkyrk, Ylkylk, Ynkynk, Yhkyhk, Ywkywk, Yzkyzk, and Yxkyxk... atleast

There are loads of possibilities. Almost an entire alphabet of them, plus alternate accent marked letters? Yækyæk? Yákyák? Yŏkyŏk? Yńkyńk? and as Swordpriest pointed out, even if we infer the repeated syllabel is neccessary, perhaps more then one letter could also be done in there? Yankyank? Yurkyurk? Yolkyolk? Yoinkyoink?

[MoonCat]

YekYek comes next.

[Gift Jeraff]

To be honest, I think this'll be the last time we'll have a Belkar opposite, since I don't think Belkar will be around for the next Linear Guild confrontation.

[megabyter5]

Even better: Having learned from the mistakes of his late family members, Yukyuk and his third cousin Yekyek have secretly teamed up. Yukyuk will distract Belkar while Yekyek sneaks up on him and kills him.

There is no Yakyak. That would be stupid.

[RunicLGB]

To be honest, I think this'll be the last time we'll have a Belkar opposite, since I don't think Belkar will be around for the next Linear Guild confrontation.

This is what I'm starting to think too. The vowel pattern termination is a thinly veiled signal that there won't be need of Belkar opposites any more after this.

oh god what have I done...I think I just started a "BELKAR CAN"T DIE WAHHH" argument in the kobold thread. Heres a distraction from any such ideas.

Examination of the kobold skill sets:

Yikyik: Uses a single weapon, yet still acts like a tracker/ranger. Odd. Fought belkar off screen so we don't really know what his skills were, other than combat reflexes.

Yokyok: Used a Rapier. Thats about it since he got mauled by adventurers to quickly for retaliation.

Yukyuk: Uses dual hand crossbows (how does he reload?) and rides on a dog (not quite the fury of argent but substantial fury unleashed none the less.). Hes definitely got maneuverability, BUT HOW THE HELL DOES HE RELOAD!!

[zimmerwald1915]

Yukyuk: Uses dual hand crossbows (how does he reload?) and rides on a dog (not quite the fury of argent but substantial fury unleashed none the less.). Hes definitely got maneuverability, BUT HOW THE HELL DOES HE RELOAD!!
He doesn't. He has a gigantic cache of hand crossbows tucked away in a Bag of Holding or possibly in generic hammerspace. When one pair of hand crossbows have shot their bolts, he just drops them and pulls out the next set. :smallcool:

[Shoelessgdowar]

He doesn't. He has a gigantic cache of hand crossbows tucked away in a Bag of Holding or possibly in generic hammerspace. When one pair of hand crossbows have shot their bolts, he just drops them and pulls out the next set. :smallcool:

Magical Crossbows of Ehlonna, they self-reload.

[Swordpriest]

There are loads of possibilities. Almost an entire alphabet of them, plus alternate accent marked letters? Yækyæk? Yákyák? Yŏkyŏk? Yńkyńk? and as Swordpriest pointed out, even if we infer the repeated syllabel is neccessary, perhaps more then one letter could also be done in there? Yankyank? Yurkyurk? Yolkyolk? Yoinkyoink?

Yoinkyoink .... for some reason, that made my day. Thank you, sir. :smallbiggrin:

[The Dark Fiddler]

...BUT HOW THE HELL DOES HE RELOAD!!

It's possible he's using a repeating crossbow, which carries a clip of five bolts. That's ten shots between the two, and there's always the possibility of him just drawing new, already reloaded ones when he runs out.

[RunicLGB]

It's possible he's using a repeating crossbow, which carries a clip of five bolts. That's ten shots between the two, and there's always the possibility of him just drawing new, already reloaded ones when he runs out.

The repeating crossbow still requires a free hand to crank the reloading lever.

The drawing repeated crossbows thing is what I'm thinking now too, hammerspace or otherwise.

[derfenrirwolv]

The repeating crossbow still requires a free hand to crank the reloading lever.

The drawing repeated crossbows thing is what I'm thinking now too, hammerspace or otherwise.

He could always use his tail.

[RunicLGB]

He could always use his tail.

RAW, that wouldn't work.

OOTS, That would be friggin awesome! :smallbiggrin:

[Blisstake]

The repeating crossbow still requires a free hand to crank the reloading lever.

The drawing repeated crossbows thing is what I'm thinking now too, hammerspace or otherwise.

That's still 5 bolts before he has to reload though. I get the feeling he doesn't do it in combat. Probably has a shortsword or something when he runs out.

[Shoelessgdowar]

The repeating crossbow still requires a free hand to crank the reloading lever.

The drawing repeated crossbows thing is what I'm thinking now too, hammerspace or otherwise.


He could always use his tail.


That's still 5 bolts before he has to reload though. I get the feeling he doesn't do it in combat. Probably has a shortsword or something when he runs out.

Formerly called the Quiver of Ehlonna (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Efficient_Quiver) in AD&D, would be a good basis for the effect, and it wouldn't be too difficult to imagine a similar design being integrated into a crossbow itself, especially if all it does is reload a standard bolt and reset the string for firing without a crank (ooo, maybe need a prestidigitation or mage hand spell 0th level spell added to be used for the crank/string pull effect... of which any spell caster capable of crafting such a weapon should already have one or the other, if not both).

[G-Man Graves]

That's still 5 bolts before he has to reload though. I get the feeling he doesn't do it in combat. Probably has a shortsword or something when he runs out.

As in he needs to pull the lever to draw back the string so that he can continue shooting.

[Yuki Akuma]

Formerly called the Quiver of Ehlonna (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Efficient_Quiver) in AD&D

And still called the Quiver of Ehlonna for those people who don't think the SRD names are the official names.

(Look at your DMG. You do have one, don't you?)

[Morph Bark]

Nope. Dragons, let alone dragon subtype races, do not live indefinitely.

Dragons die at some point after Great Wyrm (Draconomicon gives the age at which they have to start making increasingly difficult saves of die, for the various dragon races).

Races of the Dragon gives aging tables for kobolds.

Considering death is defined as "being at -10 hp or less" (effects that just kill bring you down to -10), a dragon with the Immortal Fortitude stance from ToB would be effectively immortal. :smallamused:

[Toofey]

Nope. Dragons, let alone dragon subtype races, do not live indefinitely.

Dragons die at some point after Great Wyrm (Draconomicon gives the age at which they have to start making increasingly difficult saves of die, for the various dragon races).

Races of the Dragon gives aging tables for kobolds.Impressive... Wizards managed to nerf immortality.

[Shoelessgdowar]

And still called the Quiver of Ehlonna for those people who don't think the SRD names are the official names.

(Look at your DMG. You do have one, don't you?)

No, sadly I don't... some jerk stole it... I know who, but have no proof.

[LOTRfan]

No, sadly I don't... some jerk stole it... I know who, but have no proof.

That's terrible. I'm sorry to here that. Personally, I liked all the names they removed from the SRD (and they strategically removed other stuff as well), so I can see how much that would suck.

[derfenrirwolv]

Alternately in a rules legal fashion, instead of buying magical crossbows, you buy magical bolts and 12 or so hand crossbows. each is kept cocked. You use quick draw and two weapon fighting to draw shoot shoot draw shoot shoot. Even if realistically carrying 12 cocked crossbows would be a recipee for disaster as long as you're in your weight limit its legal.

I have a feeling that since belkar is unoptimized as all hell, that the kobold might be the opposite (with 17 ranks in survival, 2 weapon fighting, scrolls, spells, and an animal companion, more wolf than dog....)

[King of Nowhere]

I don't know, all that pulling out new crossbows and discarding old ones, something that you have to spend a feat to make it work and can't do with magical crossbows, ddon't seem very optimized...

[Mr. Zolrane]

And since Belkar genuinely cares for Mr. Scruffy, Yukyuk should be a dog abuser. (Maybe Thog will kill him because of that.)

That... would be amazaing.


Sir Scraggly isn't necesarily an animal companion, is he?

Not necessarily, no, but probably.



Also, don't forget that Y is sometimes a vowel, so we could have YykYyk :smallwink:

*Linguiphile giggle*

[derfenrirwolv]

perhaps yykyyk should have a blink spell cast on him?

[H Birchgrove]

I don't remember the source, but I'm pretty sure there have been "semi-automatic" crossbows in real life.

Edit: Swordsaged.

[Shoelessgdowar]

I don't remember the source, but I'm pretty sure there have been "semi-automatic" crossbows in real life.

Edit: Swordsaged.

I believe that is possible, question is, belt fed or magazine style, or are they like crossbow six shooters?

[H Birchgrove]

I believe that is possible, question is, belt fed or magazine style, or are they like crossbow six shooters?

Verily, I could ponder on this matter for the rest of the evening... :smallwink:

[dtilque]

I don't remember the source, but I'm pretty sure there have been "semi-automatic" crossbows in real life.

Certainly: repeating crossbows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow)