keen rules question

[Seth62]

Noob stuff sorry

if a longsword keened is 17-20 then a rapier is 16-20 right?

I have a dart with a 17-20 crit and I want to keen it would it be 15-20?


do vorpal and keen stack, what about the coup de grace enchantment and vorpal do they stack

[BluesEclipse]

Noob stuff sorry

if a longsword keened is 17-20 then a rapier is 16-20 right?

Actually, the rapier is 15-20.

I have a dart with a 17-20 crit and I want to keen it would it be 15-20?

13-20, here.

do vorpal and keen stack, what about the coup de grace enchantment and vorpal do they stack

Keen stacks with any other effects that don't improve crit, unless the enhancement specifically states otherwise: I believe there is a clause on Vorpal that it can't be on a Keen weapon.

Keen doubles the existing threat range. So check however many numbers you can crit on, and increase the threat range by that amount. Examples:

Crit is 20/x3. 1 number, Keen increases threat range by 1 - becomes 19-20/x3.

Crit is 19-20/x2. 2 numbers, Keen becomes 17-20/x2.

Crit is 15-20/x2. 6 numbers, Keen becomes 9-20/x2.

[AdalKar]

A keen rapier would be 15-20 and this strange dart would be 13-20 if it's keen.
You just have to think of it this way: Rapier is 18-20, so 3 numbers. keen doubles that to 6 numbers -> 20,19,18,17,16,15

Do the same with the dart :smallsmile:

Vorpal and keen can be on the same weapon, but vorpal only triggers on a natural 20, so it doesn't matter if you're weapon crits on 15-20 or 19-20.

Sorry, but I don't remember a coup the grace enchantment right now :smallredface:

Edit: semi swordsaged :smallfrown: