The undead

[The hat]

There seem to be three types of undead. The wights, the ghouls and the regular undead. But I have noticed something. The ghouls only seem to be goblins, for example in panel twelve of strip 708. And also, there doesn't seem to be much difference except for skin color between ghouls and undead. I mean, they both eat human fleshy stuff. And what makes the wights significantly different from the other types of undead, they too eat human fleshy stuff. In strip 700, in the last panel, we see a wight munching on a human head. What's the difference.:smallsigh:

[Gray Mage]

This (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/zombie.htm), this (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/wight.htm) and this (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/ghoul.htm). Basicaly, they're undead with different powers and abilities.

[BluesEclipse]

Ahem...

:xykon: would like a couple of words with you. Those words may or may not be "Meteor Swarm".

[Giggling Ghast]

There are exactly five gazillion different forms of undead in Dungeons and Dragons. Rich has just hit the highlights.

Zombies (the grey guys) eat brains.

Ghouls and ghasts (the puke green guys with fangs) devour flesh.

Wights (the, er, white guys with red eyes and fangs) drain life force in the form of character levels.

Vampires drink blood (and drain life force). Admittedly, these guys haven't been represented in the comic except when the party was speculating what kind of undead Roy had been turned into.

Mummies (who haven't technically appeared in comic) are exempt from needing nourishment.

Liches eat … nothing at all. Neither do death knights, hueceva and "eyes of fear and flame."

On the other hand, if you see a ghoul or a wight chowing down on someone's brain, they're probably just eating recreationally.

[martianmister]

Can you give me examples which one is which in the comic?

[Stormwolf]

Our other forms of undead are eyes of fear and flame ...fear and flame and huecuvas.... Our two weapons are fear and flame and huecuvas...and ruthless liches.... Our three forms are eyes of fear and flame, huecuvas, and ruthless liches...and an almost fanatical death knight.... Our four...no... Amongst our undead... are such elements as eyes of fear and flame, huecuvas.... I'll come in again

[martianmister]

I mean comic strip numbers for zombies, wights and ghouls in the comic...

[Fallbot]

I mean comic strip numbers for zombies, wights and ghouls in the comic...

You could say his answer was...unexpected.

[Bobby Archer]

Here are links to some examples.

Zombies (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0037.html)
Ghouls and ghasts (last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0107.html)
Wights (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0515.html)
Vampires & Mummies (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0474.html)
Liches (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html)
death knights, hueceva and "eyes of fear and flame." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0431.html)

[martianmister]

Here are links to some examples.

Zombies (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0037.html)
Ghouls and ghasts (last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0107.html)
Wights (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0515.html)
Vampires & Mummies (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0474.html)
Liches (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html)
death knights, hueceva and "eyes of fear and flame." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0431.html)

Thanks. But what is that thing in the last panel? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0708.html) A Ghast/Ghoul?

[LOTRfan]

yeah, I'd go with ghast/Ghoul.

[Kareasint]

Thanks. But what is that thing in the last panel? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0708.html) A Ghast/Ghoul?

Probably. The Ghasts were slightly brighter in color in 107 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0107.html).

[Dr.Epic]

There seem to be three types of undead. The wights, the ghouls and the regular undead.

Because Xykon is definitely one of those and not something far more powerful.

[Sir Conkey]

Probably. The Ghasts were slightly brighter in color in 107 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0107.html).

Those were golbins in 107, not Hobgoblins. So hobgoblin ghouls/ghasts would probably be a bit darker

[Kish]

Because Xykon is definitely one of those and not something far more powerful.
Are you suggesting that Xykon is irregular?

[BlackestOfMages]

well, Xykon is a lich, which is very different, as it's basicly undead with several helpings of baddas

a lich is the créme a la créme of the undead world. the thing about a lich is:

it's a concious choice to turn into an undead mockery of shizz, which means they've probably done it to optimize.
any form of spell caster can become a lich, provided they're powerful enough (so that means you could have a lich bard, or ranger, or an archlich paladin*, as wel as socerer/wizard/cleric)
Retain their personality - unlike the other greater undead (the sentient ones) a lich has their full personality, abilities, and mental facilities from when they were alive.

and becoming a lich begats such an epic upgrade to the lichee, that the upgrade level is nigh on uncomparable. this included

an imunity to pollymorphing and (I belive) an imunity to any and all mind effecting effects
virtual immortality - oh you killed me, phalactry for just over 2 weeks. the orders lucky Xykons isn't hidden somewere they don't know about
imunity to quite a few forms of damage - lightning and cold are confirmed, they're healed by negative energy to.
Lack of the need to sleep - people miss how important this one is
the power to kill with a touch - paralyzing touch is a basic lich ability, and if they're annoyed, they can enhance it to a negative energy shock that will kill weak-willed things outright
physical abilities of the gods - a sorceror lich could, feasably, take down a mid-level fighter just through pure strength, and damage reduction

other unique undead seen have been:

eye of fear and flame: skelton that can shoot fireballs, and fear rays.

death knight: magic resistant undead warrior of epicness. what people thought Miko would become when Tsukio finds her corpse

Heucava: a Good-hating skelington with high leveled clerical magic

and now you know

*an archlich is a good lich, which is kinda an odd concept

[ThePhantasm]

skelington with high leveled clerical

What's a skelington? Is this a person's name?

[zimmerwald1915]

What's a skelington? Is this a person's name?
In a manner of speaking. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_skellington)

[The hat]

Thanks you guys. That helped a lot. But this is not an invatation to stop posting

[BlackestOfMages]

there is such a thing as being pedantic:smalltongue:you know full well what I meant.

and glad we could help mr hat

[ThePhantasm]

there is such a thing as being pedantic:smalltongue:you know full well what I meant.


I'm assuming this is directed at me, though no one is quoted.

Pardon me, but I'm frequently confused by your posts. Your misspellings go far beyond typos and your posts are partly incoherent. Its possible that by sitting down and deciphering your post I could have figured out what you meant, but I shouldn't have to do that. Don't fault me for having to ask for clarification.

[Timberboar]

Pardon me, but I'm frequently confused by your posts. Your misspellings go far beyond typos and your posts are partly incoherent. Its possible that by sitting down and deciphering your post I could have figured out what you meant, but I shouldn't have to do that. Don't fault me for having to ask for clarification.

The context was clear and the typo wasn't THAT bad.

Wheaton's Law, man.

[ThePhantasm]

The context was clear and the typo wasn't THAT bad.

Wheaton's Law, man.

Apparently I'm the only one who required clarification. The fact that I needed it should indicate that it wasn't immediately "clear" to me. Apparently asking such a question is "pedantic" and results in Wheaton's Law (BTW clever way to cast an insult without worrying about the language filter) getting thrown at me, so I'll refrain from it in the future.

Didn't mean to turn it into some huge deal. Back on topic, folks.

[Ancalagon]

The context was clear and the typo wasn't THAT bad.

I did not want to say something as I don't want to discuss someones typing... but now I need to reply: I also felt the post as imposition. I know I also make typoes and forget words here and there due to laziness to re-read my posts but SOME minimum level of effort is needed. It shows some curtesy at least. You want others to read your stuff, so show you actually put at least a little effort into it (like using the shift key).
Now that the poster has read some opinions in regard to the clarity of his post, let's change the topic please? I think there's simply nothing left to say on this.

[JSSheridan]

"You wanna get the undead? I'll tell you how to get the undead. One of their men pulls a knife, your man pulls a gun. They send your man to the hospital, you send their man to the morgue. That's how you get the undead."

[Bobby Archer]

"You wanna get the undead? I'll tell you how to get the undead. One of their men pulls a knife, your man pulls a gun. They send your man to the hospital, you send their man to the morgue. That's how you get the undead."

...considering the amount of dead who have voted in Chicago elections, I suppose Necromancy is the Chicago Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4).

[LtNOWIS]

Additionally, skeletons were referenced but didn't appear, in #705 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0705.html).

Considering how big Team Evil is on necromancy, is it odd that they don't use skeletons? Maybe they just don't draw well in large numbers.

[veti]

Considering how big Team Evil is on necromancy, is it odd that they don't use skeletons? Maybe they just don't draw well in large numbers.

As I understand it, if you 'Animate Dead' on a fresh corpse (i.e. one that still has most/all its flesh attached), you get a zombie; if the flesh has mostly or all gone, then you get a skeleton.

Why would Team Evil go looking for old corpses, when there are so many fresh ones just lying around?

[Dvandemon]

There seem to be three types of undead. The wights, the ghouls and the regular undead. But I have noticed something. The ghouls only seem to be goblins, for example in panel twelve of strip 708. And also, there doesn't seem to be much difference except for skin color between ghouls and undead. I mean, they both eat human fleshy stuff. And what makes the wights significantly different from the other types of undead, they too eat human fleshy stuff. In strip 700, in the last panel, we see a wight munching on a human head. What's the difference.:smallsigh:

Well, given that you understand what this comic is based off of, Dungeons and Dragons, wouldn't it be wiser to simply look them up? You sigh as if the distinction is tedious yet haven't made the effort to research the topic.

[Tvtyrant]

I disagree with the premise that the Lich is the ultimate form of undead. I think the Nightshades take that position, especially since they are intelligent to take levels as a PC.

[Gift Jeraff]

As I understand it, if you 'Animate Dead' on a fresh corpse (i.e. one that still has most/all its flesh attached), you get a zombie; if the flesh has mostly or all gone, then you get a skeleton.
You can animate a fleshy corpse as a skeleton if you wish, as per the spell description.

I think there are two reasons we don't see skeletal undead more often:
-Zombies (and ghouls, ghasts, wights, etc.) allow for more visual variety, namely in regards to hair, race, the "zombie veins," facial expressions, and, of course, boobs.
-It helps keep Xykon more unique. After all, out of all 4 skeletal monsters we've seen besides Xykon, 3 were supposed to look like Xykon.

[Bobby Archer]

-It helps keep Xykon more unique. After all, out of all 4 skeletal monsters we've seen besides Xykon, 3 were supposed to look like Xykon.

There was also the bone golem made out of Roy's corpse, but that didn't look too different from Xykon.

[Tvtyrant]

You can animate a fleshy corpse as a skeleton if you wish, as per the spell description.

I think there are two reasons we don't see skeletal undead more often:
-Zombies (and ghouls, ghasts, wights, etc.) allow for more visual variety, namely in regards to hair, race, the "zombie veins," facial expressions, and, of course, boobs.
-It helps keep Xykon more unique. After all, out of all 4 skeletal monsters we've seen besides Xykon, 3 were supposed to look like Xykon.

Skeletons are also really weak due to low HD. The fight between Belkar and the hobbies suggests that CR is pretty much kept to on this world, and as such a ton of skeletons are just going to get... Dusted. :smallcool:

[Ghill]

It helps keep Xykon more unique. After all, out of all 4 skeletal monsters we've seen besides Xykon, 3 were supposed to look like Xykon.


There was also the bone golem made out of Roy's corpse, but that didn't look too different from Xykon.

I think Gift Jeraff was counting Roy's corpse as one of the four "skeletal monsters".

I think that the most distinctive human skeleton is O-Chul's (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html). Because O-Chul is that hardcore.

EDIT: @ Tvtyrant, what no ":smallcool:"?

[Tvtyrant]

I apologize, I will now fix that :smallyuk:

[martianmister]

I think that the most distinctive human skeleton is O-Chul's (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html). Because O-Chul is that hardcore.

Don't forget Miko (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0201.html) and Hinjo (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0480.html).

[ThePhantasm]

Don't forget Miko (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0201.html) and Hinjo (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0480.html).

Neither Miko nor Hinjo have a scar in their skull. That's why O'Chul's is distinctive in comparison to theirs. . .

[Bobby Archer]

I think Gift Jeraff was counting Roy's corpse as one of the four "skeletal monsters".

I think that the most distinctive human skeleton is O-Chul's (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html). Because O-Chul is that hardcore.

I clearly can't count.

@ O-Chul's skelleton: Agreed.

[martianmister]

Neither Miko nor Hinjo have a scar in their skull. That's why O'Chul's is distinctive in comparison to theirs. . .

Hinjo and O-Chul's skeletons are nearly same. Miko's skeleton is the most distinctive one. (and most realistic one, with these eyes)

[Gift Jeraff]

Miko's skull seems to be frowning. Maybe that's why her expression is usually :miko:. She can't help it!

[Dvandemon]

Don't forget Miko (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0201.html) and Hinjo (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0480.html).

The Disintegrate x-ray always show more detailed skeletons, possibly because white lines would be too close to the shade of yellow.

[Tiniere]

well, Xykon is a lich, which is very different, as it's basicly undead with several helpings of baddas

a lich is the créme a la créme of the undead world. the thing about a lich is:

it's a concious choice to turn into an undead mockery of shizz, which means they've probably done it to optimize.
any form of spell caster can become a lich, provided they're powerful enough (so that means you could have a lich bard, or ranger, or an archlich paladin*, as wel as socerer/wizard/cleric)
Retain their personality - unlike the other greater undead (the sentient ones) a lich has their full personality, abilities, and mental facilities from when they were alive.

and becoming a lich begats such an epic upgrade to the lichee, that the upgrade level is nigh on uncomparable. this included

an imunity to pollymorphing and (I belive) an imunity to any and all mind effecting effects
virtual immortality - oh you killed me, phalactry for just over 2 weeks. the orders lucky Xykons isn't hidden somewere they don't know about
imunity to quite a few forms of damage - lightning and cold are confirmed, they're healed by negative energy to.
Lack of the need to sleep - people miss how important this one is
the power to kill with a touch - paralyzing touch is a basic lich ability, and if they're annoyed, they can enhance it to a negative energy shock that will kill weak-willed things outright
physical abilities of the gods - a sorceror lich could, feasably, take down a mid-level fighter just through pure strength, and damage reduction

other unique undead seen have been:

eye of fear and flame: skelton that can shoot fireballs, and fear rays.

death knight: magic resistant undead warrior of epicness. what people thought Miko would become when Tsukio finds her corpse

Heucava: a Good-hating skelington with high leveled clerical magic

and now you know

*an archlich is a good lich, which is kinda an odd concept

Of course, let us not forget that starting from the lich, one can advance further... though the name does not suggest it, to a Demilich... always funstuff

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/demilich.htm

[Bobby Archer]

Of course, let us not forget that starting from the lich, one can advance further... though the name does not suggest it, to a Demilich... always funstuff

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/demilich.htm

I've always wondered at the name "Demilich". It seems like it was made up by someone who didn't understand the meaning of the prefix "demi-"

[Tvtyrant]

I've always wondered at the name "Demilich". It seems like it was made up by someone who didn't understand the meaning of the prefix "demi-"

Partial Lich? Demi=Partial, half, etc. And since a Demi-Lich is a floating skull it makes pretty good sense to me.

[The hat]

Hinjo and O-Chul's skeletons are nearly same. Miko's skeleton is the most distinctive one. (and most realistic one, with these eyes)

You know. The azure people have more realistic skeletons than anyone else who was disintegrated. If they are the only people who have been disintegrated, I'm sorry for not really contributing:smalleek::smallfrown::smallsigh::smal lannoyed::smallamused::smallyuk::smallmad::smallfu rious:

[Dvandemon]

Well, the only non-azurite that has been disintegrated was a Young Black Dragon, and I don't think that helps

[Caractacus]

Partial Lich? Demi=Partial, half, etc. And since a Demi-Lich is a floating skull it makes pretty good sense to me.

Yeah, but 'demi-X' usually means half in the sense of 'on the way to being entirely X' rather than 'some of X is now missing'...

Maybe we could rename it 'hemilich' as in hemisphere? :smalltongue:

Then perhaps the act of becoming one would be a 'Hemilich Maneuver'... :smallbiggrin:

[Bobby Archer]

Then perhaps the act of becoming one would be a 'Hemilich Maneuver'... :smallbiggrin:

*rimshot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34)* :smallbiggrin:

[The hat]

what does that have to do with anything

[ThePhantasm]

what does that have to do with anything

It's a pun.

You know, for fun? :smallsmile:

Thought it was quite clever myself.

[The hat]

Oh, thanks for explaining. :smallbiggrin: