Rapid Spell and 1 round casting times

[veven]

The Summoning handbook on the wizard's forum claims that Rapid Spell (complete divine) can reduce a summoning spell down to one standard action but the way I read it it would only reduce one to a full-round action instead of 1 round.

I hope I'm wrong since this is for a BBEG and I want to mess with my player's heads.

If I am right, is there any way to summon in less than a full round? No PRC's since this is for an E6 campaign

[visigani]

If I recall correctly, there's a specialist Conjuror variant in Unearthed Arcana that allows you to summon creatures as a standard action.

[dextercorvia]

STP Erudite with Linked Power can tack it onto a swift action manifestation. It comes into effect the next turn, but you aren't spending extra actions on it.

[subject42]

If you allow Paizo/Pathfinder material, Sacred Summons (http://www.pathfindersrd.com/extras/collaborators/work-area/paizo-products/pathfinder-rpg-line/ultimate-magic/chapter-3-feats/sacred-summons) could help.

[veven]

This particular summoner is gonna be a Spirit Shaman, so no wizard variants. Any ideas on how the actual feat would work? It's from Complete Divine.

[subject42]

Based on the exact wording, a Rapid Summon Monster would have a casting time of a standard action.



A rapid spell with a casting time of 1 full round can be cast as a standard action.

[Darrin]

Golden Desert Honey can also be used to reduce the casting time of summons down to a standard action. And although it's expensive (300 GP per use), it's actually dried tree sap rather than honey, so it's ridiculously easy to get 20 cubic lbs of the stuff fairly cheaply (SMVII -> djinn -> major creation SLA).

[veven]

Based on the exact wording, a Rapid Summon Monster would have a casting time of a standard action.

The casting time isn't 1 full round. It's simply 1 round (there is a difference) Which leads me to believe it would only be reduced to 1 full round since it is, "Measured in rounds" instead of being 1 full round.

[Cog]

A spell that takes 1 round to cast is a full-round action.
Also note that it's round, singular, not rounds, plural.

[Veyr]

It's a full-round action on your turn, but it still doesn't finish until the beginning of your next turn, which is what I believe he wants to alleviate.

[Cog]

That it's a full-round action means it can be affected by Rapid Spell.

[veven]

I wasn't %100 sure about whether or not the plurality thing mattered but I read the description of Golden Desert Honey and it says, "When used with a summoning spell with a casting time of 1 round, golden desert honey reduces the casting time to 1 standard action, as if affected by the rapid spell feat."

That's good enough proof for me that it works.

[Crake]

The casting time isn't 1 full round. It's simply 1 round (there is a difference) Which leads me to believe it would only be reduced to 1 full round since it is, "Measured in rounds" instead of being 1 full round.

Note that you're confusing "Full round" with "full round action". The casting time of a summon spell is in fact a full round, which means it starts at the beginning of this turn and ends at the beginning of your next turn, wheras a full round action starts at the beginning of this turn and ends at the end of it (with room for a swift or free before or after).

Edit: I don't think that there are actually any spells that are a full round action to cast, they're either standard or 1 round+ (with the exception of metamagiced spontaneous spells)