Challenge: Commoner build that can survive/succeed in a 3.5 campaign?

[Pika...]

Yes, I know it sounds crazy, and it might be crazy, but imagine the fun. :smallbiggrin:

Preferably with all commoner levels, minus maybe a prestige class if it fits the character's theme.


And yes, I will try to get a DM to allow me to play this as my next character. :smallbiggrin:

[Maho-Tsukai]

if you want to know how to be a good commoner, this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80968) seems like a good read. With chicken infested + handle animal a commoner can actually be somewhat playable. Do not underestimate the power of handle animal, it's a skill that allows for a lot of shenanigans when used right.

I may pop in with an actual build later if I can find a PrC that is both thematic and focuses on handle animal abuse(or aids in it.)

[Elvencloud]

There's a flaw in dragon magazine that makes it so whenever you reach into your containers for an object, you have a 50 percent chance of pulling out a chicken instead. Chicken infested, I think.
Now, pulling out spell components is a free action... so since sand is a component (you don't actually need caster levels) and since every object has a 50 percent chance of being a chicken... You have Col. Sanders.

What's that? You need a wall to get a way? Wall of Chickens.
A large pit is blocking your way? Forget it. Fill it with Chickens.
Big bad evil guy is casting a spell? Try casting with hundred of live chickens on your face.
Edit: Requirement for the flaw is one level of commoner, so ha.

[Lateral]

Handle Animal optimization works too; look up Bubs the Commoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7097263&postcount=38). Bubs has a Marshal level, though, but you don't strictly need it. Just makes it stronger, faster.

[Avalon2099]

Handle Animal optimization works too; look up Bubs the Commoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7097263&postcount=38). Bubs has a Marshal level, though, but you don't strictly need it. Just makes it stronger, faster.

For that to work how does he get the Dinosaurs to breed by level 4? since he needs multiple different dinos to selectively breed the Battletitan, can you explain the process of how he gets the dinos?

[Godskook]

For that to work how does he get the Dinosaurs to breed by level 4? since he needs multiple different dinos to selectively breed the Battletitan, can you explain the process of how he gets the dinos?

1.Just train the pre-requisite dinos first, and then breed the Battletitan

2.Simply buy battletitan eggs, or work for them by raising battletitans for your supplier.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Wasn't the cube doable with a commoner? it is pure WBL-mancy so it might not count...

[Avalon2099]

1.Just train the pre-requisite dinos first, and then breed the Battletitan

2.Simply buy battletitan eggs, or work for them by raising battletitans for your supplier.

Ah so it has to be an established Backstory thing, no commoner can just wake up and say I WANT TO RAISE GODZILLA today and walk over and grab dinos, there has to be a reason on how he got the dino's or dino eggs. I see.

[Avalon2099]

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[Zale]

A herd of polar bears?

[Lateral]

Plus, they don't have to be Battletitans. You can rear anything, and there are plenty of other choices; even just 3 T-Rexes is fairly awesome at 4th level.

[Zale]

Armored polar bears? :smallbiggrin:

[Urpriest]

Armored polar bears? :smallbiggrin:

Unfortunately those are Magical Beasts IIRC.

[Lateral]

Unfortunately those are Magical Beasts IIRC.

The build can rear Magical Beasts.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Unfortunately those are Magical Beasts IIRC.

Since when does slapping Barding on a polar bear makes them magical beast? And you can do it, the DC is just 30 + Magical Beast HD (epic usage though, not sure if it is permitted pre-epic threshold)

And you are probably thinking on the race from Frostburn.

[Avalon2099]

Plus, they don't have to be Battletitans. You can rear anything, and there are plenty of other choices; even just 3 T-Rexes is fairly awesome at 4th level.

Sadly I dont see how a 4th level character without DM Fiat/Backstory approval gets access to T-rex's or T-rex eggs. I like the concept just trying to wrap my head around how to do it step by step.

[Zale]

... I so want to abuse this now, somehow.

[Godskook]

Since when does slapping Barding on a polar bear makes them magical beast? And you can do it, the DC is just 30 + Magical Beast HD (epic usage though, not sure if it is permitted pre-epic threshold)

There's precedence in the fluff. How else are goblins going to rear worgs?

[Lateral]

Since when does slapping Barding on a polar bear makes them magical beast? And you can do it, the DC is just 30 + Magical Beast HD (epic usage though, not sure if it is permitted pre-epic threshold)

And you are probably thinking on the race from Frostburn.

Epic usages can be used pre-epic, they're just usages listed in the ELH that the designers figured PCs wouldn't be able to meet the checks for pre-epic.

Not that epic skill checks have anything on, say, 4th level spells at the most... :smallannoyed:

[Dusk Eclipse]

Sadly I dont see how a 4th level character without DM Fiat/Backstory approval gets access to T-rex's or T-rex eggs. I like the concept just trying to wrap my head around how to do it step by step.


Depends on the setting, for example in Eberron the halflings from the Talenta plains use dinosaur as we use herd animals, as cattle, mounts, etc. So it isn't as difficult in that case.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/eb_gallery/82081.jpg

Besides since this is a venerable halfling, one could argue he is considered some sort of authority over the tribe and as such privy to special priviliedges such as T-Rex eggs.

[Thurbane]

Since when does slapping Barding on a polar bear makes them magical beast? And you can do it, the DC is just 30 + Magical Beast HD (epic usage though, not sure if it is permitted pre-epic threshold)

And you are probably thinking on the race from Frostburn.
He might also be thinking of the Ironclad Mauler (MM3) which is essentially a brown bear with metal plates grafted to it, and is indeed a magical beast.

[SuperFerret]

There's precedence in the fluff. How else are goblins going to rear worgs?

Aren't the worgs the ones in charge when it comes to the goblin-worg relationship? What's the DC of rearing a humanoid?


Also, we're assuming that the halfling is venerable during the rearing (to get the bonuses), and I doubt any sufficiently large dinosaur grows to maturity in less than five years, so the halfling would need to be on the lower end of venerable so he lives long enough to see his babies grow up.

[Zale]

What about Armor For Unusual Creatures (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/armor.htm#armorForUnusualCreatures)?

What's stopping me from buying a bear-shaped full plate?

[SuperFerret]

What about Armor For Unusual Creatures (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/armor.htm#armorForUnusualCreatures)?

What's stopping me from buying a bear-shaped full plate?

Skeptical blacksmiths.

[Zale]

No one expects the wandering murderous hobos to be sane. Wealthy, but not sane.

[Urpriest]

He might also be thinking of the Ironclad Mauler (MM3) which is essentially a brown bear with metal plates grafted to it, and is indeed a magical beast.

Nope, definitely the Urskan. Other monsters may be bears with armor. Only Urskan are Armored Bears.

THAT IS ALL!

[Avalon2099]

Depends on the setting, for example in Eberron the halflings from the Talenta plains use dinosaur as we use herd animals, as cattle, mounts, etc. So it isn't as difficult in that case.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/eb_gallery/82081.jpg

Besides since this is a venerable halfling, one could argue he is considered some sort of authority over the tribe and as such privy to special priviliedges such as T-Rex eggs.

Awesome Dusk, Thanks for that. I had not considered the Eberron Halflings...

[Morph Bark]

Since when does slapping Barding on a polar bear makes them magical beast? And you can do it, the DC is just 30 + Magical Beast HD (epic usage though, not sure if it is permitted pre-epic threshold)

And you are probably thinking on the race from Frostburn.

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/The-Golden-Compass-upcoming-movies-241693_1280_1024.jpg

[Lateral]

Aren't the worgs the ones in charge when it comes to the goblin-worg relationship? What's the DC of rearing a humanoid?

Worgs have INT 6. D&D goblins don't even have an INT penalty; they're just as intelligent as your average person, just uglier and less lovable. And it's perfectly okay to slaughter them without bothering to check whether they're evil, just because they're orange and have fangs. [/rant] :smallannoyed:

[gbprime]

What's the DC of rearing a humanoid?

I'll let you know after my kids grow up. :smalltongue:

Don't forget, you can always throw a few levels of Human Paragon in there for good measure. That's not a prestige class and not at odds with the concept of being a commoner, but it does open up weapons and skills...

[JaronK]

Charging still works for a Commoner. Use a Skillful Valorous Lance (sets your BAB to 3/4 and doubles charge damage), play as a Dragonborn Water Orc and ride a big flying mount, take Shock Trooper + Spirited Charge + Headlong Rush, wear Riding Boots, and charge smash your enemies. Also: chickens.

JaronK

[Marnath]

Second page, and not one mention of Joe Wood (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19558998/Commoner_Campaign)? That's terrible, guys. :smallwink::smallbiggrin:

[dextercorvia]

Kobold commoners can still take advantage of the draconic rites, etc.

[TrappedDoor]

Second page, and not one mention of Joe Wood (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19558998/Commoner_Campaign)? That's terrible, guys. :smallwink::smallbiggrin:

JOE WOOD! Still one of the best campaigns I have read. Ever.

[The_Jester]

Handle Animal optimization works too; look up Bubs the Commoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7097263&postcount=38). Bubs has a Marshal level, though, but you don't strictly need it. Just makes it stronger, faster.

If Bubs is a halfling, why does he have a bonus feat for being Human?

[JaronK]

He's a strongheart halfling. They get those.

But please don't bring back threads from years ago. This is thread necromancy.

JaronK