Help me build a Binder/KotSS

[senrath]

I'm trying to build a Changeling Binder 6/Knight of the Sacred Seal 4 with Paimon as his focused vestige. I'm building with 32 PB and have 1 free LA to use on templates. Any suggestions?

This is for an Eberron game, by the way.

[mootoall]

I'm trying to build a Changeling Binder 6/Knight of the Sacred Seal 4 with Paimon as his focused vestige. I'm building with 32 PB and have 1 free LA to use on templates. Any suggestions?

This is for an Eberron game, by the way.

Can you take a +2 LA template and have it reduced to LA +1? If so, I recommend Phrenic. Also, see if you can further buy it off.

[senrath]

No buy-off is allowed. And I'd prefer to be able to hit Binder 15/KotSS 5 before epic.

[Thurbane]

How about the Draconic Creature template? It will get you natural weapons, so you could use the Weapon Focus you need for KotSS for a claw, and gets you STR, CON & CHA +2, all useful for a KotSS.

[HappyBlanket]

Here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11235.0)'s a good start for general Binder playing... I think you've seen it already though, what with the Binder threads popping up the last few days.

Sorry I couldn't contribute more :P

[senrath]

Now that I think of it, Binder 15 doesn't get me much. I might go with Phrenic, since that gives some really tasty stuff. Draconic Creature looks good too, though.

[Thurbane]

If you don't get 20 levels of Binding (i.e. Binder 15/KotSS 5), you will only ever get three vestiges at once, and not four. Not a huge deal, but something to bear in mind...also, if you're a Binder 14/KotSS 5, you'll only get BAB +15, missing out on that 3rd iterative at level 20. Again, not a huge deal, but worth noting.

[senrath]

Given that the fourth iterative only comes up at level 20, and I'm not even sure if this game is going to go that far, I'm fine.

[senrath]

Okay, well, my DM has removed the Con bonus from the Draconic template, so I'm wondering if there are any other suggestions for templates.

[Tokuhara]

I'm trying to build a Changeling Binder 6/Knight of the Sacred Seal 4 with Paimon as his focused vestige. I'm building with 32 PB and have 1 free LA to use on templates. Any suggestions?

This is for an Eberron game, by the way.

OK. Lemmie give you a Build I played once in an Eberron Setting. VERY fun actually...

Name: Remy d'Dantallion
Race: Silverbrow Human
Class: Binder 10/Scion of Dantallion 5/KotSS 5

I was entirely focused on Dantallion

Maybe with a template suggestion posted here, you can adapt this build to work for you?

[Person_Man]

My suggestion is to dump Paimon. He rocks at lower levels. But at ECL 10 with the Improved Binder feat you'll hit the sweet spot of vestiges: Zceryll (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070718), Zagon, The Triad (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070119a), Vanus (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060407a), Haures, Desharis, and Chupoclops. Each is awesome in their own special way. The sweetest cherry is Zceryll, who grants you the Psuedonatural template, which gives you Spell Resistance, Damage Reduction, Energy Resistance, the Outsider type, and an Alternate Form. You also get a Save or Daze effect, Telepathy, Mindsight, and the uber Summon Alien ability (unlimited Summon Monster with the Psuedonatural template added on top).

If you insist on sticking with Paimon for love of Dance of Death and Whirlwind Attack, I suggest binding The Triad as your second vestige. This grants you a variety of minor abilities plus proficiency with all exotic weapons, which can be very handy (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88633).

[senrath]

Hmm, I could do that. I was hoping to pick up most of KoSS to start, but Zceryll is just wonderful looking.