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Bloodscalp
2011-06-25, 08:55 AM
Is there a hold person power in 4e? and if there is which sourcebook is it in?

Mordokai
2011-06-25, 09:01 AM
Any power that stuns or immobilizes?

artstsym
2011-06-25, 09:08 AM
There is hold monster in Heroes of the Fallen Lands. Just restrains somebody for a turn. On the other hand it doesn't require an attack roll, so that's nice.

No hold person, though. There's very few if any humanoid specific powers.

Bloodscalp
2011-06-25, 09:17 AM
mm thanks, what i'll do is take the hold monster spell and adapt it for humanoids. it was one of my favorite spells in 2-3.5 :P

Reluctance
2011-06-25, 05:51 PM
Why not just stick with Hold Monster? The humanoid-only limitation is silly and counterproductive. Alternately, Sleep could easily be refluffed. Instead of being sleeping and helpless they're immobile and helpless, it comes down to the same thing in the end.

Ralcos
2011-06-26, 10:40 AM
Why not just stick with Hold Monster? The humanoid-only limitation is silly and counterproductive. Alternately, Sleep could easily be refluffed. Instead of being sleeping and helpless they're immobile and helpless, it comes down to the same thing in the end.
Well, that's true. I would like to see that work in one of my games. :p

Hidden Sanity
2011-06-26, 04:12 PM
Any power that stuns or immobilizes?

Wouldn't the Restrained condition be a better fit?

artstsym
2011-06-26, 06:12 PM
Stunned and helpless till end of next turn/save ends (depending on how you want to interpret it) would be the closest comparison to the original Hold Person, but would also basically be a death sentence to anyone that it was put on, hence why it's not presented that way in 4e.

Kurald Galain
2011-06-27, 04:46 AM
I think the closest match is the Sleep spell (wizard daily level 1), which indeed is a death sentence when it connects.

dariathalon
2011-06-28, 04:05 AM
There is also hold foe in Divine Power. Its a 5th level cleric daily. A hit does some damage and daze+immobilize on a hit, save ends.