Corrosive Grasp (Spc)

[dextercorvia]

No big deal right. It's a first level spell that gets you several touch attacks. Except that the duration is Instantaneous. This either (a) allows you to make CL attacks in a round as part of a standard action, or (b) forever changes your body to deal an additional d8 acid damage as a part of an unarmed strike/natural attack, and you can use CL touch attacks until they run out.

Which is it?

[Shadowknight12]

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Chill Touch (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/chillTouch.htm) is also Instantaneous. Take a wild, wild guess which of the two options you've just listed is the one you get.

EDIT: Oh, wait, it is neither. You don't get CL attacks per round as a standard action. That would be silly to the point of brain damage. You can make one touch attack as a standard action per round. You can then "hold" the touch attacks until you've spent them all.

[Zaydos]

Touch Spells and Holding the Charge: In most cases, if you
don’t discharge a touch spell on the round you cast it, you can hold
the charge (postpone the discharge of the spell) indefinitely. You
can make touch attacks round after round. If you cast another spell,
the touch spell dissipates.

So closest to b, but note that you can't cast other spells till you're done.

More detail in the Rules Compendium (including a verification that the second paragraph only applies to ones where you are using it on allies).

[dextercorvia]

Yeah, I didn't really think it was a).

But the rider effect is going to persist (at least) until you cast another spell correct? A natural weapons blender (totemist or whatever) can cast the spell once, and then get +1d8 acid to their natural attacks until they cast something else?

[Shadowknight12]

Yeah, I didn't really think it was a).

But the rider effect is going to persist (at least) until you cast another spell correct? A natural weapons blender (totemist or whatever) can cast the spell once, and then get +1d8 acid to their natural attacks until they cast something else?

No.

A natural attack is not a touch attack. You have to male a melee touch attack to discharge the charge.

Imagine that a natural attack is a punch across the face and a melee touch attack is a gentle caress on the cheek. That deals acid damage. They are not compatible.

[Siosilvar]

But the rider effect is going to persist (at least) until you cast another spell correct?

The second question was already answered, so I'll answer this one.

Until you cast another spell or run out of charges or lose the spell effect some other way (none that I know of), yes.

[dextercorvia]

No.

A natural attack is not a touch attack. You have to male a melee touch attack to discharge the charge.

Imagine that a natural attack is a punch across the face and a melee touch attack is a gentle caress on the cheek. That deals acid damage. They are not compatible.


You can also deal this damage as extra damage with an unarmed strike or an attack with a natural weapon.

It doesn't say that this uses up the effect. Simply, you may make CL melee touch attacks, and you may also...

[Zaydos]

Yeah, I didn't really think it was a).

But the rider effect is going to persist (at least) until you cast another spell correct? A natural weapons blender (totemist or whatever) can cast the spell once, and then get +1d8 acid to their natural attacks until they cast something else?


No.

A natural attack is not a touch attack. You have to male a melee touch attack to discharge the charge.

Imagine that a natural attack is a punch across the face and a melee touch attack is a gentle caress on the cheek. That deals acid damage. They are not compatible.

Tome and Blood (3.0), Complete Arcane (3.5), and Rules Compendium says that yes you can deliver a touch spell with an unarmed strike or natural weapon, but it uses that charge of the touch spell. So if you had CL 20, you could deliver 20 charges of corrosive grasp with 20 touch attacks, 20 natural weapon attacks, or a combination of the two equaling 20. If you have CL 1 then you can deliver it with 1 touch attack or natural weapon attack.

[dextercorvia]

Tome and Blood (3.0), Complete Arcane (3.5), and Rules Compendium says that yes you can deliver a touch spell with an unarmed strike or natural weapon, but it uses that charge of the touch spell. So if you had CL 20, you could deliver 20 charges of corrosive grasp with 20 touch attacks, 20 natural weapon attacks, or a combination of the two equaling 20. If you have CL 1 then you can deliver it with 1 touch attack or natural weapon attack.

This is specific vs. general. This spell says you can make X touch attacks and (not or) add the damage to your UAS/Natural Weapons.

[Shadowknight12]

It doesn't say that this uses up the effect. Simply, you may make CL melee touch attacks, and you may also...

Huh. Interesting. Welp, that's your answer.

EDIT: It uses up your charges. It's right there in the description.