What is this "gnomish quickrazor"?

[Flame of Anor]

I hear it's so great, but I can't find what book it's from or what it does.

[begooler]

It is an exotic weapon in Races of Stone that can be drawn as a free action, and then sheathed as a free action. The idea behind this is that you can have a hand free to cast spells.

[Treblain]

It's meant for casters with a feat that lets you attack and cast while using it. The reason it's good is that every attack with it counts as drawing it, which synergizes with Iaijitsu Focus, a skill that does extra damage when you first draw a weapon.

[erikun]

Gnome Quickrazor
Races of Stone
Exotic Weapon
1d4, 19-20/x2
My be drawn and sheathed by proficient users as a free action

The last part is the key, along with the Iaijutsu Focus skill from Oriental Adventures, to dealing a lot of damage with Factotums and other classes that can select their skills from any available.

[Kaje]

Basically, it's a weapon that completely unintentionally synergizes with factotums in every single way. They have iaijutsu focus as a class skill, can cast grease once a day, and can even get more attacks after they're done full attacking.

[EagleWiz]

A specially sharpened throwing gnome with Haste cast on it.

[Alefiend]

A specially sharpened throwing gnome with Haste cast on it.

I like this far more than the RAW version. The GQR always struck me as a good way for wielders to lose fingers.

[Shadowknight12]

The gnomish quickrazor is what happens when a frustrated wizard decides to pursue his long-denied ambition to be a barber.

[Lateral]

It is a silly weapon that kills people dead quickly. Hilarious.

[Dusk Eclipse]

It is a silly weapon that kills people dead quickly. Hilarious.

Silly? Do you really think this is a silly weapon?*
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vzgIue97tW4/TDVgrUQeULI/AAAAAAAAACY/Y29oVQl5tww/s1600/assassin3-oxcgn.jpg

*With a bit of re-fluffing TBH

[Amnestic]

Silly? Do you really think this is a silly weapon?*
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vzgIue97tW4/TDVgrUQeULI/AAAAAAAAACY/Y29oVQl5tww/s1600/assassin3-oxcgn.jpg

*With a bit of re-fluffing TBH

Only until Leonardo Da Vinci upgraded it. Having to lop off your finger to use it? Yeah, I'd call that silly :smalltongue:

[Dusk Eclipse]

Oh right, I forgot about that part :smallredface:; but due the fact that full plate exists in the game world, one can assume Renaissance era technology, so no lopping off fingers :smalltongue:

Edit: Besides it is a great excuse to use Regenerate for the intended purpose

[JaronK]

The other advantage of the weapon is that when you use it, you can then steal Assassin's Creed artwork to use as character artwork.

JaronK

[FMArthur]

I really do think the gnome quickrazor is one of the cooler and more interesting exotic weapons in the game. It's not really so nonsensical in the context of normal heroic fantasy, despite its realistic use requiring a silly amount of manual dexterity. Its existance serves a purpose, filling an otherwise missing role in terms of imagery, and luckily enough, also fills a role in terms of optimization. That's way better than most exotic weapons.

[Hunter Killer]

It's the weapon that made me seriously consider ruling that Iaijutsu Focus didn't work with light weapons.

Upon rereading of the skill, I decided that and average of +5d6/+6d6 on each attack at 20th level was not that broken. Good? Yeah, but you have to optimize heavily to make it ridiculous.

I also don't allow Factotums in my games (Never really liked the flavor or the mechanics), so that might also help.

[Greenish]

That's way better than most exotic weapons.Low bar there, though.

[Cieyrin]

It's the weapon that made me seriously consider ruling that Iaijutsu Focus didn't work with light weapons.

Upon rereading of the skill, I decided that and average of +5d6/+6d6 on each attack at 20th level was not that broken. Good? Yeah, but you have to optimize heavily to make it ridiculous.

I also don't allow Factotums in my games (Never really liked the flavor or the mechanics), so that might also help.

Like you need Factotum to make it work. Human Paragon works just as well or, if you don't want to be human, go Exemplar. :smallwink:

[Hiro Protagonest]

Like you need Factotum to make it work. Human Paragon works just as well or, if you don't want to be human, go Exemplar. :smallwink:

Or expert. Any ten skills as class skills.

Also, an expert with a gnomish quickrazor and Iaijitsu focus would be OP in my group. :smalltongue:

[Veyr]

Human Paragon would be very convenient for it.

[Flame of Anor]

Ooh, I just thought. If all skills are class skills for the Factotum, then Speak Language (Druidic) is a class skill for him! Then a bard/cleric could just dip Factotum and have the entry requirements for Fochlucan Lyrist.

[Veyr]

Speak Language does not work like that. It does not have sub-skills like Knowledge or Craft; it's a single skill that dictates how many languages you know. No character can ever learn Druidic by spending a Skill Point.

[Cieyrin]

Ooh, I just thought. If all skills are class skills for the Factotum, then Speak Language (Druidic) is a class skill for him! Then a bard/cleric could just dip Factotum and have the entry requirements for Fochlucan Lyrist.

The thing with Druidic isn't that it's unavailable as a skill, it's that it's a secret language used only by Druids and Druids get kicked out for teaching it to other people. It's not a crunch thing, it's a fluff thing.

EDIT:
Speak Language does not work like that. It does not have sub-skills like Knowledge or Craft; it's a single skill that dictates how many languages you know. No character can ever learn Druidic by spending a Skill Point.


A druid who ceases to revere nature, changes to a prohibited alignment, or teaches the Druidic language to a nondruid loses all spells and druid abilities (including her animal companion, but not including weapon, armor, and shield proficiencies). She cannot thereafter gain levels as a druid until she atones (see the atonement spell description).

Given that they have that clause, you can learn it, you just have to have a druid willing to fall out of druidship, at least temporarily.

[Greenish]

The thing with Druidic isn't that it's unavailable as a skill, it's that it's a secret language used only by DruidsDragonwrought kobold says "hi". In druidic.

[Lateral]

Dragonwrought kobold says "hi". In druidic.

It does?

[Greenish]

It does?Sovereign archetypes are fun, eh?

[Veyr]

Given that they have that clause, you can learn it, you just have to have a druid willing to fall out of druidship, at least temporarily.
Sorry, I meant you cannot learn Druidic by just spending a Skill Point.

[Amnestic]

Sorry, I meant you cannot learn Druidic by just spending a Skill Point.

Could fluff it as happening before the game starts so...assuming your DM okays it, I think you could.

And of course, when one non-druid knows the language, everyone can since they lose nothing by spreading it except maybe getting an angry visit from some wildshape cryohydras in the night.

[Cieyrin]

Could fluff it as happening before the game starts so...assuming your DM okays it, I think you could.

And of course, when one non-druid knows the language, everyone can since they lose nothing by spreading it except maybe getting an angry visit from some wildshape cryohydras in the night.

I just imagine that, should it get out, the Druid circles putting a hit out on the offender that starts with minor harassment ("Why is it whenever I walk outside I get bird poop in my hair!?!" :smallfurious:) and scaling from there ("Gah, there's that bear again! Run!!") till s/he gets sworn to secrecy or becomes a druid themselves.

[FMArthur]

I just imagine that, should it get out, the Druid circles putting a hit out on the offender that starts with minor harassment ("Why is it whenever I walk outside I get bird poop in my hair!?!" :smallfurious:) and scaling from there ("Gah, there's that bear again! Run!!") till s/he gets sworn to secrecy or becomes a druid themselves.

Surely being shat on by birds and stalked by bears makes one want to connect with nature. :smallbiggrin:

[mabriss lethe]

suddenly I want to make a gnomish bard with a quick razor and a leather jacket that fights while singing songs from "West Side Story"

[Telonius]

The thing with Druidic isn't that it's unavailable as a skill, it's that it's a secret language used only by Druids and Druids get kicked out for teaching it to other people. It's not a crunch thing, it's a fluff thing.

Given that they have that clause, you can learn it, you just have to have a druid willing to fall out of druidship, at least temporarily.

Alternately: Be NE, and take something else at first level. At level 2, take an actual level in Druid. Then, get your friendly neighborhood succubus to drain a level from you, willingly failing the saving throw for the level drain to become permanent. (Or, friendly neighborhood succubus successfully tempts you to the evil side and drains the level). Continue advancing in the other class, and make a fortune selling your guide to Druidic (printed only on paper made from Dryads' trees).

[MeeposFire]

Alternately: Be NE, and take something else at first level. At level 2, take an actual level in Druid. Then, get your friendly neighborhood succubus to drain a level from you, willingly failing the saving throw for the level drain to become permanent. (Or, friendly neighborhood succubus successfully tempts you to the evil side and drains the level). Continue advancing in the other class, and make a fortune selling your guide to Druidic (printed only on paper made from Dryads' trees).

Bopus points if you enter blighter (it says "former druid" not that you have to still be an ex-druid).

[BIGMamaSloth]

alternatively from iajutsu focus, you can use it for the feat flick of the wrist if you're trying to get sneak attack out.

[Zombulian]

alternatively from iajutsu focus, you can use it for the feat flick of the wrist if you're trying to get sneak attack out.

Or you put use them together :P to use Iajutsu Focus your enemy needs to be flatfooted anyway. And Sneak Attack and IF stack.

[Thurbane]

I think it's up there with Spiked Chain as among the few exotic weapons worth a feat...

[Big Fau]

Only until Leonardo Da Vinci upgraded it. Having to lop off your finger to use it? Yeah, I'd call that silly :smalltongue:

Nitpick: Leo didn't do that. Altair did, and put it in the Codex he wrote. Leo applied it to the broken one Ezio brought him.

[absolmorph]

I just imagine that, should it get out, the Druid circles putting a hit out on the offender that starts with minor harassment ("Why is it whenever I walk outside I get bird poop in my hair!?!" :smallfurious:) and scaling from there ("Gah, there's that bear again! Run!!") till s/he gets sworn to secrecy or becomes a druid themselves.
Or they become a villain whose goal is the complete and total annihilation of nature.
"A cryohydra? Really? Ugh. That's it. Guys, I want to destroy nature."

[deuxhero]

Given that they have that clause, you can learn it, you just have to have a druid willing to fall out of druidship, at least temporarily.

My prefered method is Loremaster's bonus language.


It's the weapon that made me seriously consider ruling that Iaijutsu Focus didn't work with light weapons.


Wakizashi says hi!

[fryplink]

Edit: Solved!

Can I ask where Iajustu Focus is instead?

[Slipperychicken]

Edit: Solved!

Can I ask where Iajustu Focus is instead?

Oriental Adventures.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Oriental Adventures a 3.0 Sourcebook.

Edit: Fittingly I was ninja'ed this time it deserves to be ninja instead of swordsage

[fryplink]

Oriental Adventures a 3.0 Sourcebook.

Edit: Fittingly I was ninja'ed this time it deserves to be ninja instead of swordsage



that would be why my "complete collection of 3.5 books and indexes" doesn't have it (it's not complete, but its pretty close and my FLGS said it was".), but does mention Iajutsu elsewhere.

[Gavinfoxx]

Oriental Adventures was updated to 3.5e in Dragon Magazine #318.

[FMArthur]

I can describe it for you without a chart or even looking at my book because I use it a lot.

Iaijutsu Focus is a trained-only Charisma-based skill.
When you hit a flat-footed target right after drawing a melee weapon, you roll the skill check to add Xd6 damage to the attack, where X = [result - 5] / 5. Maximum 9d6. It's not precision damage.


edit: Before you decide to look up the update, you should know that it didn't make any changes to Iaijutsu Focus at all.

[Adrayll]

Does anybody have a link to the Persisted Greater Aura of Somethingoranother build that would spend a few hours "spinning chickens" to have an NI strength bonus, using a quickrazor and the chicken-infested flaw?

[absolmorph]

Does anybody have a link to the Persisted Greater Aura of Somethingoranother build that would spend a few hours "spinning chickens" to have an NI strength bonus, using a quickrazor and the chicken-infested flaw?
Greater Consumptive Field, and it's only hours if you apply restrictions on free actions. By RAW, you take a single round to achieve it.
Assuming a limit of 10 free actions per round (I'm being restrictive), you get an increase of an average +10 Strength per round. With 20 hours of this, you get a minimum Strength score of... 120,001 Strength, which is a modifier of... +59,995.
This leaves you with 4 hours of adventuring (unless you also Extended it, in which case you can take 40 hours to get a minimum 240,001 Strength with a modifier of +119,995).

My favorite part about this trick is the mental image of some cleric creating a massive mountain of chickens as they furiously spin a tiny blade on their wrist.

[FMArthur]

NI chicken shenanigans don't involve quickrazors because the free action sheathe is only part of attacks you make with it.

[Zombulian]

So you use a spell conponent bag! "Oh look another rabbit's foot. Oh and a billion chickens."