Statting a sheep

[IonDragon]

Sheep. 2 GP comodity.

If you were to give one stats, what would they be and how many HD would you give it? Also, are they size Medium or Small?

[Salanmander]

Sheep. 2 GP comodity.

If you were to give one stats, what would they be and how many HD would you give it? Also, are they size Medium or Small?

Medium, pick a 2-3 HD medium herbivore from the monster manual. Don't think they're going to be anything other than panicked roadblocks in a fight though.

[Zaq]

Medium, pick a 2-3 HD medium herbivore from the monster manual. Don't think they're going to be anything other than panicked roadblocks in a fight though.

This is what templates are for.

(What? Compared to the gibbering mouther, a half-dragon sheep is tame. Perhaps literally. Remember, if it has both STR and CON, a dragon will bang it.)

[Malimar]

Yeah, I'd just refluff (teehee) a pony.

[IonDragon]

This is what templates are for.

Templates are precisely the point. Though, I'm going in a different dirrection.

I'm dreaming of a Were-sheep. That's right. You go ahead and laugh, but you won't be laughing when that flock of sheep turn out to be Hill Giants. With DR 10/silver :belkar:

Epic ambush tactics.

[Amnestic]

I think a refluffed pony (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/pony.htm) would do the trick nicely, maybe giving it a primary Bite attack and making its hooves secondary if you really want to change it up.

[Cieyrin]

Templates are precisely the point. Though, I'm going in a different dirrection.

I'm dreaming of a Were-sheep. That's right. You go ahead and laugh, but you won't be laughing when that flock of sheep turn out to be Hill Giants. With DR 10/silver :belkar:

Epic ambush tactics.

I've actually played a Weresheep briefly on two different occasions, though using some homebrew. The homebrew statted sheep as small Donkeys with half a HD and changing the bite to a headbutt. The homebrew can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170098), which uses the Commoner flaw Were-Sheep from that April Dragon with joke commoner flaws like Chicken-Infested.

[gorfnab]

Unfamiliar Familiars (http://www.fierydragon.com/downloads/familiars.pdf) has stats for sheep.

[IthroZada]

Templates are precisely the point. Though, I'm going in a different dirrection.

I'm dreaming of a Were-sheep. That's right. You go ahead and laugh, but you won't be laughing when that flock of sheep turn out to be Hill Giants. With DR 10/silver :belkar:

Epic ambush tactics.

The movie Black Sheep (the New Zealand horror comedy, not the Chris Farley comedy) has instilled a healthy fear of were sheep in me. And sheep in general.

[Cieyrin]

Unfamiliar Familiars (http://www.fierydragon.com/downloads/familiars.pdf) has stats for sheep.

Those are wild mountain sheep, though, not the domesticated flock variety. I suppose that'd be a more valid variety for lycanthropy to occur from but not nearly as funny.

[Morph Bark]

Unfamiliar Familiars (http://www.fierydragon.com/downloads/familiars.pdf) has stats for sheep.

Hey, good thing too! Now I finally have sheep to use in combination with my Barngod class!

[IonDragon]

I've actually played a Weresheep briefly on two different occasions, though using some homebrew. The homebrew statted sheep as small Donkeys with half a HD and changing the bite to a headbutt. The homebrew can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170098), which uses the Commoner flaw Were-Sheep from that April Dragon with joke commoner flaws like Chicken-Infested.

In order to be a Were-x it must have a bite attack to spread the lycanthropy. Just sayin.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

If you name him Shaun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_the_Sheep), I may have to strangle you...

That said, I did help someone out a week or two back by making explosive sheep... killing them, reanimating them with Destructive Retribution...

BAAA-RAAAAM-MUUUUU.... *BOOM*

[Cieyrin]

In order to be a Were-x it must have a bite attack to spread the lycanthropy. Just sayin.

Hybrid form grants a bite and 2 claws, regardless of whether the animal form has them or not. How it initiated, I"m not particularly worried about it.

Also note that Weresheep is a joke flaw from an April Fools issue of Dragon. Rule of Funny (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfFunny) overrides regardless. :smallwink:

[Lord.Sorasen]

I've always wanted to try playing as a were-penguin myself, but this is just as good... I lie. It's a lot better, specially if you're using it for enemies rather than players.

Though to be honest, most sheep are probably small sized, which I think technically means you wouldn't be able to apply it to a large sized giant.

[[CLASSIFIED]]

If you're going to use a refluffed pony, then you might want to decrease the speed a bit as well.

[Zonugal]

If you have access to Races of the Wild (pg. 186) there is a pack animal the halflings use as an all purpose animal which can fill in for a sheep. The Brixashulty is a mix between a sheep and a goat (heavy on the goat) so you'll probably want to remove its gore & knock-back attacks.

But on the plus side it provides milk nine-months out of the year and produces a fleece suitable for wool clothing.

[Thurbane]

In order to be a Were-x it must have a bite attack to spread the lycanthropy. Just sayin.
The bigger issue is that the base animal for a lycanthrope template must be a carnivore or omnivore, and sheep are strictly herbivorous (ruminants). Of course, you could handwave this is the name of fun. :smallwink:

Size and Type: The base creature’s type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype. The lycanthrope takes on the characteristics of some type of carnivorous or omnivorous creature of the animal type (referred to hereafter as the base animal).

This animal can be any predator, scavenger, or omnivore whose size is within one size category of the base creature’s size (Small, Medium, or Large for a Medium base creature). Lycanthropes can also adopt a hybrid shape that combines features of the base creature and the base animal. A lycanthrope’s hybrid form is the same size as the base animal or the base creature, whichever is larger.

A lycanthrope uses either the base creature’s or the base animal’s statistics and special abilities in addition to those described here.

[Jeff the Green]

I've always wanted to try playing as a were-penguin myself, but this is just as good... I lie. It's a lot better, specially if you're using it for enemies rather than players.

Though to be honest, most sheep are probably small sized, which I think technically means you wouldn't be able to apply it to a large sized giant.

I'd imagine they're probably medium, actually. Figure that human children (6-10 years old) are about halfling size and can ride sheep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyPEyBO_lxM&feature=related)...

[IonDragon]

The bigger issue is that the base animal for a lycanthrope template must be a carnivore or omnivore, and sheep are strictly herbivorous (ruminants). Of course, you could handwave this is the name of fun. :smallwink:

Which would mean a were-chicken could work for a halfling....

Maybe they should be were-pigs then? I may just hand wave it so I can throw in a "in sheep's clothing" joke.

I can't imagine any time when I would want to forbid my players from playing a were-herbivore.

[grarrrg]

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/memes-soon.jpg

[Spiryt]

Sheeps are actually pretty much human sized.

Some rams can get very heavy and to say at least not very "non harmful" at all.

[Marnath]

Maybe they should be were-pigs then? I may just hand wave it so I can throw in a "in sheep's clothing" joke.


It's already been done.... (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lycanthrope.htm#wereboar) :smallconfused:

[IonDragon]

That's a boar. Boars and pigs are different.

[Dr.Epic]

I'd just modifier the stats on a boar to be much weaker.

[Marnath]

That's a boar. Boars and pigs are different.

Umm, no. Boar is a term for the male of the species.

[Amnestic]

Umm, no. Boar is a term for the male of the species.


It is the wild ancestor of the domestic pig, an animal with which it freely hybridises.

While Boar is indeed a term used to denote male domestic pigs, boars as we understand them in D&D terms are decidedly different to domestic pigs.

[Coidzor]

Sheep are Medium sized? I thought they were supposed to be around the same size as the dogs that herd them. :smallconfused:

[Malimar]

The thing with sheep is that a.) they vary greatly in size depending on breed and b.) they're quadrupeds, so comparing them to humans by measuring by height doesn't make much sense. (Plus wikipedia doesn't have a number for sheep height.) However:


Ewes typically weigh between 45 and 100 kilograms (99 and 220 lb), and rams between 45 and 160 kilograms (99 and 350 lb).

Medium is 60-500 lb, and the weight range of a sheep is quite firmly within that range.

[Coidzor]

The thing with sheep is that a.) they vary greatly in size depending on breed and b.) they're quadrupeds, so comparing them to humans by measuring by height doesn't make much sense. (Plus wikipedia doesn't have a number for sheep height.) However:



Medium is 60-500 lb, and the weight range of a sheep is quite firmly within that range.

You don't compare height to height for tall creatures versus long creatures (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreatu resInCombat). Are sheep 4 to 8 feet long?

And if weight's all you go by, then all dogs larger than terriers are Riding Dogs.

[Malimar]

You don't compare height to height for tall creatures versus long creatures (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreatu resInCombat).

I know. I was speculating on reasons why people are confused.


Are sheep 4 to 8 feet long?

Yes. Yes they are. I can't come up with any single trustworthy citation, but Google's consensus seems to be they tend to be at least upwards of 4 feet long.


And if weight's all you go by, then all dogs larger than terriers are Riding Dogs.

By weight, the average Yorkie (<8 lb) would be Tiny. Big dogs like German Shepherds (often >80 lb) could hit Medium (which doesn't have to be a riding dog; it could also be a wolf). Anything in between is Small.

[stack]

Don't forget electrical resistance for the sheep. Buggers slip through electric fence all the time. Too much insulation.

[Jeff the Green]

Don't forget electrical resistance for the sheep. Buggers slip through electric fence all the time. Too much insulation.

Aaagh! No, we are not making Pokemon (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mareep_(Pok%C3%A9mon))!