Pathfinder: Captian America???

[crazywolf]

For my new Pathfinder campaign my players are currently getting their charecters in order. my good friend already his charecter and a back up if his current one dies. He wants to have his back up charecter to be fighter that uses a heavy spiked shield and a hand crossbow as his only weapons. I have no issuse with this and i see it as a fun new way to play a fighter, however: he also wants to have his charecter be able to throw his shield at enemies like Captain America becasue he plans to role play him as a combo of Captian America and the Tick :smallbiggrin:.
so i ask: is that even possible? and are there any feats that would let him do that, and what penaltys would he have if he could?
Here are his stats if they help:
STR 20(+5), DEX14(+2), CON 16(+3), INT 10, WIS 11, CHA 14(+2)
help is greatly appriciated becasue I dont want to tell him no if it is possible for his charecter to do that.

[gkathellar]

If you're willing to bring in Tome of Battle from 3.5, bloodstorm blade is key to Captain America-style shield-throwing.

[crazywolf]

I don't really know what that is :smallredface:

[DJ_Lycos]

In the player handbook 2 there is a sling shield feat also if he got returning on it then it really would be captain america and it would come back to him.

Shield Sling

You can hurl your shield as a deadly missile, turning it from a defensive item to a crushing, thrown weapon.

Prerequisite: Improved Shield Bash, Shield Specialization, Proficiency with shields, base attack bonus +9

Benefit: You can wield your light shield or heavy shield as a thrown weapon with a range increment of 20 feet. The shield deals damage as normal for its size (see Table 7-5, PH 116), and you gain your Strength bonus on damage as normal for a thrown weapon. In addition, you can make a ranged touch attack to initiate a trip attempt. Your target resists the trip attempt as normal. You lose your size bonus (though not a size penalty) on your Strength check. If your foe's check succeeds, he cannot attempt to trip you. You cannot throw a tower shield. You can throw a buckler, but it does no damage, and you cannot use it to trip an opponent.

This is if you want to let him use some feats from D&D along with Pathfinder...if not then he could always get the Throwing enchantment put on the shield.

[Xtomjames]

Another way would be to make a Chakram based shield (ie a filled large chakram) that has the returning and speed ability. Then he can take the chakram bounce feat. He'd have to take the exotic weapons feat either way however to use a shield or chakram in this manner, and a chakram at least has base stats for that size of weapon.

[Hiro Protagonest]

I don't really know what that is :smallredface:

Buy. Tome. Of Battle. Warblade/bloodstorm blade with shield sling is perfect.

Free stuff (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=1).

[grarrrg]

fighter that uses a heavy spiked shield and a hand crossbow as his only weapons....able to throw his shield at enemies like Captain America becasue he plans to role play him as a combo of Captian America and the Tick
STR 20(+5), DEX14(+2), CON 16(+3), INT 10, WIS 11, CHA 14(+2)


First off, the CON is too low, and the INT too high to pass for The Tick.
Secondly, we need more info. Pathfinder is in, but is any 3.5 stuff allowable?
What race?
Approx. starting level?

Going off what we do know:

I recommend dropping the Hand Crossbow part of the build.
It needs feats and your Shield half is already eating the Feats. You also need DEX to make the crossbow work, but STR to make the Shield work.


If starting at level 9 or less, take the first 6 levels in Ranger, then a level or two of Barbarian, finish off with Fighter or whatever you like.

If starting at level 10 or more, take a level or two of Barbarian and all the Fighter you want.

Ranger (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger): Take the Weapon and Shield combat style. Pick what you want for the 2nd level feat, but at 6th you really should take Shield Master (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-master-combat---final). Ranger feats let you ignore pre-reqs, so you can have Shield Master a full _5_ levels early.

Hurler Barbarian (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/hurler): You trade Fast Movement for an increase in thrown weapon range.

Fighter (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter): Feats. Enough said.

None of the prestige classes really help your build.

[Bhaakon]

Just using the PFSRD:

Normal improvised weapons (which a hurled shield is) have a damage based on comparison to weapons of the same size (determined by the DM), crit on a 20 w/ x2 damage, suffer a -4 attack penalty, and have a 10 ft range increment.

Strong arm, supple wrist trait: (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/combat-traits/strong-arm-supple-wrist) improve range increment of thrown weapon by 10 ft when moving 10ft or more

Throw anything feat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/throw-anything-combat---final): no attack penalty on improvised hurled weapon

improvised weapon mastery feat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/improvised-weapon-mastery-combat---final): increase damage of improvised weapons by one size category and double their critical range (needs +8 BAB, throw anything)

Throwing shield (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/shield-throwing) is a must, since it allows you to unstrap your shield as a free action, otherwise it takes a move action (it's only a 50 gp item modification).

Ricochet Shield (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/equipment-trick-combat) is an equipment trick that lets you bounce a hurled shield off hard surfaces to bypass cover. (deadly aim, throw anything req).

Deadly aim (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/deadly-aim-combat): power attack for ranged weapons (13 dex required)

There's also the hurling (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian) line of barbarian rage power, which turn hurled items into ranged touch attacks with a ref save instead of attack rolls (and the hurler archetype adds10 range).

I'd also suggest some spiked gauntlets, to give him some kind of lethal damage melee attack after hurling his shield (and lets be honest, whaling away with your fists is totally a Tick/Captain America move).

I'm totally stealing this the next chance I get, BTW. Not at all optimized, but very cool.

[Cerlis]

well point of fact, general ranged feats such as Point blank shot aid in both the crossbow AND throwing the shield. Further if you gain the ability to get your weapon (the shield) back in your turn (such as with the bloodstorm blade) you'd also gain mulitple attacks with it.

[crazywolf]

First off, the CON is too low, and the INT too high to pass for The Tick.
Secondly, we need more info. Pathfinder is in, but is any 3.5 stuff allowable?
What race?
Approx. starting level?
3.5 stuff is allowable, he is human and approx starting level would probably be 5 or 6