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2011-08-02, 01:30 PM
Two revelations from different oracle mysteries allow the use of CHA in place of DEX, but I noticed they are slightly different:
Lore - Sidestep Secret (Su): Your innate understanding of the universe has granted you preternatural reflexes and the uncanny ability to step out of danger at the very last second. Add your Charisma modifier (instead of your Dexterity modifier) to your Armor Class and all Reflex saving throws. Your armor’s maximum Dexterity bonus applies to your Charisma instead of your Dexterity
Nature - Nature’s Whispers (Ex): You have become so attuned to the whispers of the natural world, from the croaking of frogs to the groaning of great boulders, that your surroundings constantly keep you preternaturally aware of danger. You may add your Charisma modifier, instead of your Dexterity modifier, to your Armor Class and CMD. Any condition that would cause you to lose your Dexterity modifier to your Armor Class instead causes you to lose your Charisma modifier to your Armor Class.
The nature version effects CMD, which the Lore version does not (explicitly called out in a FAQ), but Lore adds to reflex saves, which Nature does not (by omission).
Nature does not have the "Your armor’s maximum Dexterity bonus applies to your Charisma instead of your Dexterity" clause. Is this an oversight, or can you stack your CHA bonus with restrictive armors? It would seems reasonable that you couldn't, but the wording of the revelations is deliberately different in some respects, which gives me doubt.
Lore - Sidestep Secret (Su): Your innate understanding of the universe has granted you preternatural reflexes and the uncanny ability to step out of danger at the very last second. Add your Charisma modifier (instead of your Dexterity modifier) to your Armor Class and all Reflex saving throws. Your armor’s maximum Dexterity bonus applies to your Charisma instead of your Dexterity
Nature - Nature’s Whispers (Ex): You have become so attuned to the whispers of the natural world, from the croaking of frogs to the groaning of great boulders, that your surroundings constantly keep you preternaturally aware of danger. You may add your Charisma modifier, instead of your Dexterity modifier, to your Armor Class and CMD. Any condition that would cause you to lose your Dexterity modifier to your Armor Class instead causes you to lose your Charisma modifier to your Armor Class.
The nature version effects CMD, which the Lore version does not (explicitly called out in a FAQ), but Lore adds to reflex saves, which Nature does not (by omission).
Nature does not have the "Your armor’s maximum Dexterity bonus applies to your Charisma instead of your Dexterity" clause. Is this an oversight, or can you stack your CHA bonus with restrictive armors? It would seems reasonable that you couldn't, but the wording of the revelations is deliberately different in some respects, which gives me doubt.