Utterly irational hatreds

[Dan_Hemmens]

Except that the magic is VERY expensive, and availible to a VERY select few.

Except it isn't, reallly. There's wizards all over the place, and Clerics as well, and even low level spellcasting completely changes your society.

[Dan_Hemmens]

And one I've just thought of:

The phrase "before you" used in Monster descriptions. Okay I get the feeling that it's ironic half the time, but please...

[Tiran]

Giant Insects as the main badguys. Stupid concept, and the only thing I've ever seen it done well in is Ender's game.

I've never liked using summon spells in D&D. I just like Final Fantasy type summoning better.

*shrug* I don't really hate a lot in D&D.

[Damian]

I've never liked using summon spells in D&D. I just like Final Fantasy type summoning better.


I know that you probably mean "personalized summons that grow in strength", but I'll go ahead and be the first to say that the only image I can get is of a D&D character spending 15 minutes out-of-game describing all the effects as he summons his creature.


Oh, and something that has always annoyed me female armor i.e. the chainmail bikini syndrome. Why, oh why, must females in every game* wear extremely revealing armor that would only hinder in a combat situation? Yes, I know all about geeks who need a girlfriend with a name that doesn't end in .jpg, but it still it annoys me to no end. I'm reminded of a quote from Planescape: Torment:


"The leather, miss. The sheer impracticality of it. The emphasis on the bust-line, especially the *oh-so-convenient* cross-slash across the bodice. Your outfit was *obviously* designed to placate someone's hormonal urges rather than to keep you comfortable. Even if you are trying to *make* a statement about authority and decorum like you tieflings tend to do, the message is really harming you in the long run...

*Yes, I'm sure someone will say that they know a game where the female characters don't wear revealing armor/clothing if it's impractical. However, by and large, they always do.

Also, partly related, is spikes on armor. Ooooh, so intimidating! Spikes on armor would make that armor just so more ineffective. The spikes catch an enemy's blade and just send it straight down into the armor (and probably your flesh). Argh!

[BobGhengisKhan]

People who don't realize that DnD is heroic fantasy.

[Cybren]

d20 modern.
All of it.

[Devils_Advocate]

Please tell me that such pornographic material does not exsist. :'(
Ooooh... sorry.

"The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'"
- Richard Jeni


truly, such vile things can not be true.
If you think that there's an upper limit to the amount of depravity the universe will allow, I fear you're in for a lot of eventual disillusionment. I don't doubt that there are sadistic, psychotic people out there. Smut doesn't even qualify as "vile"; it's an "oh, ick" at most.

Basically, if there's but a one in three billion chance of someone being a certain way, then there's probably someone on the planet who is. Luckily, this applies to nice things, too.

Still, why is it that it seems to be only humans who produce half-breeds all over the place, and not other demihumans?


They used to. Then they realized that the cross-breeds are very short-lived, have malformed ears, and breed like rabbits.

All the racial, religious and national bigotry of the elves, with the wit of the orcs, the stubborn mind of the dwarves, irrationality of gnomes, and few other traits from various other creatures. Most of the weirder ones came to be after certain traits of Succubus accidentally got into the bloodline. And please don't ask where their fertility comes from...
Alternately, it could be the other way around. Maybe demihumans all share a common ancestry, and dwarves, elves, halflings, gnomes, and the like are the decendants of groups of people who took up specific ways of life, gradually adapting to them. Humans, on the other hand, are decended from everyone who, well, didn't.

In any case, as part of their non-specialized, generic nature, individual humans are highly adaptable, able to do at least a half-assed job of nearly anything; and humans as a race are not largely clumped into a relatively narrow band of traits as tends to be the case with other demihumans. Humans have all sorts of talents, attitudes, and proclivities, which is part of what makes them strong as a race. Hooray for diversity! (http://www.goats.com/archive/060403.html)

[feral]

What I hate is all those dragons. In real life 20 of the most powerful humans on earth would be crispy toast if they fought one. I'm not too keen on the dungeons, either. D&D should do away with both!

[Maryring]

Ah, but then it wouldn't be called DUNGEONS and DRAGONS.

And on the recently brough up topic and dragons...

I knew that such material (fiery goats) already exsisted. However, what really gets me is the simple fact that people not only want to do it with creatures who would gladly eat them for dinner, but that they ALSO has created such fictional material.

Of course, I have to take your word for it, since I cannot find it myself, which is a good thing because I like my eyes, but I just can't bend my mind around the lust for something that fries you well done.

[Tokeloshe]

Drow; in the words of Thaco:

In the old days we depended on ingenuity rather then feats, the strength stat used a forward slash as a decimal point and there was no such thing as Drow.

I miss the old days.

[MrNexx]

Drow; in the words of Thaco:

In the old days we depended on ingenuity rather then feats, the strength stat used a forward slash as a decimal point and there was no such thing as Drow.

I miss the old days.

Drow predate the percentile strength, IIRC.... if they don't, they're from the era of it.

[BelkarsDagger]

People who hate D&D for no reason. I understand having an oppinion is good, and that it's a free world, but I mean come on! If you're gonna say it's evil at least give a REASON!!!

Sorcerers AND Wizards. No. Just no. Why BOTH?! I can live with either, but not together. Either people learn or they're born with it, and WHY would those both get the same spells?

Wood AND Wild Elves. Why both? They're the same thing, to me.

The classic Rocks Fall Everybody Dies DM Smite. Thats actually rational...

[Vulion]

I hate the over abundance of good drow. I mean, sure I few rebels against the cause is good but not ever other drow.

[Scorpina]

The only way I've ever been able to begin to justify the sheer abundance of good drow is that the player's are on the surface, so they're not encountering even a significant minority of the world's drow population, since the vast, vast majority stays 'downstairs' in the Underdark and only a few freaks ever venture up to the surface.

[Vulion]

Yeah, a 'minority'...there's thousands...upon thousands...at some points I believe they outnumber the good elves, heh heh.

[The_Logic_Ninja]

Since when ARE there lots, besides hackneyed two-bit ripoff characters that no one lets into their games?

[Vulion]

Dunno, could just be my overbearing paranoia or I'm just sayin' that to keep the conversation going. ;D

[feral]

Has anyone here ever met 3 good drow in 1 game (not including corpses?) Or even two? How many games have you guys played without a single good drow in them? I haven't played very many games, but the only ones where I've ever encountered a good drow were the Baldur's Gate PC games. Obviously, YMMV.

[Vulion]

Usually, the good drow I encounter are from people that are in love with dark, anti-hero archtype.

Another thing I hate is Dire Rats, my first D&D game ever, after narrowly surviving a rabid band of kobolds, my friend and I were killed by a dire rat. I have been working towards the extermination of those beasts ever since.

[Tokeloshe]

Once had a player who was heavily into the Drizz't bit. Now, at a point I decided to try my hand at playing a Drow Bard, so I decided to get the DM for that game to co-operate with my request to have him start out with a special artifact to hide my alignment.

So I play along with the party, being led by the Drizz't fanboy. Well, we finally reach a point where we have slain a bunch of monsters, and we set down to rest. Get food ready, get the water that sort of thing.

Well my character just happened to have a sleeping potion with him, which he poured into the camp's water sending everyone to sleep. Naturally, the Drow in the lead suspected nothing until my character decided to kill him.

"I thought you were good!"
"Oops."

Needless to say, hunting him down became the parties top priority in the next campaign, as he had stolen all of their stuff, including their underwear, and just left them there.

[Vulion]

He...took the underwear...

[BobGhengisKhan]

Another BGK hatred: Prestige Class requirements.

The requirements for these classes tend to be so specific that you practically have to be working towards them from Level 1 onward. This makes it impossible for PrCs to be given as possible rewards.

[Scorpina]

...and so many of them are so arbirtary! "My Paladin falls from grace and pledges herself to darkness...I'll have to take a few levels in Rogue while I pick up skill points in Hide and Move Silently, as well as the Cleave and Power Attack feats, before I can become a Blackguard though..."

[Dan_Hemmens]

People who don't realize that DnD is heroic fantasy.

<can of worms>And what exactly is Heroic Fantasy?</can of worms>

[The_Logic_Ninja]

A can of worms, apparently!

...worms aren't very heroic...

[feral]

Not to fantastic ether ;D

[BobGhengisKhan]

<can of worms>And what exactly is Heroic Fantasy?</can of worms>

Well, it's not medieval history, for one. Can't say it's ever really been about too much realism, either.

[Vulion]

There's no point in 'Heroic' before the 'fantasy', I mean when you think fantasy, the word hero kind of pops into your head, along with, magic and dragons.

[Dan_Hemmens]

There's no point in 'Heroic' before the 'fantasy', I mean when you think fantasy, the word hero kind of pops into your head, along with, magic and dragons.

And like magic and dragons, not all Fantasy has "heroes" in it, in that sense.

There's plenty of fantasy settings with no "heroic" individuals in them.

[The_Logic_Ninja]

Like Dark Sun. "Heroes" get eaten.

[Dark Knight Renee]

I hate the over abundance of good drow. I mean, sure I few rebels against the cause is good but not ever other drow.

I hate the asumption that there are millions of good drow out there, and the people who whine about it. In any given game, there might be one, a few, or none. They only add up if you assume every D&D game is in the same world or something, which doesn't work for a number of reasons...

[Gyrfalcon]

A can of worms, apparently!

...worms aren't very heroic...


Not to fantastic ether ;D

But what if it's a Gargantuan can of Neolithids? That's both heroic (if you can beat them) and fantastic!

[Dan_Hemmens]

I hate the asumption that there are millions of good drow out there, and the people who whine about it. In any given game, there might be one, a few, or none. They only add up if you assume every D&D game is in the same world or something, which doesn't work for a number of reasons...

Firstly, I thought that in the Realms at least there actually *were* Good Drow (Followers of Elliastree or whoever) in reasonable numbers.

Secondly, in a sense they *do* all add up. If a D&D party encounters a Good Drow, there must be enough Good Drow in the world for a random group of five people to run into one. Which is actually quite a lot of Good Drow. The more this happens, the more Good Drow there must be.

[Steward]

And like magic and dragons, not all Fantasy has "heroes" in it, in that sense.

There's plenty of fantasy settings with no "heroic" individuals in them.

Most fantasy settings do not have heroes in them anyway, despite how often the author insists that there is.

[The_Logic_Ninja]

Firstly, I thought that in the Realms at least there actually *were* Good Drow (Followers of Elliastree or whoever) in reasonable numbers.

Secondly, in a sense they *do* all add up. If a D&D party encounters a Good Drow, there must be enough Good Drow in the world for a random group of five people to run into one. Which is actually quite a lot of Good Drow. The more this happens, the more Good Drow there must be.
Except each party exists in its individual instance of the world.

And, what--the party can be special unique snowflakes and the only powerful people of their archetype, but can't possibly run into the world's only good drow?

[Tiferet]

Firstly, I thought that in the Realms at least there actually *were* Good Drow (Followers of Elliastree or whoever) in reasonable numbers.

Secondly, in a sense they *do* all add up. If a D&D party encounters a Good Drow, there must be enough Good Drow in the world for a random group of five people to run into one. Which is actually quite a lot of Good Drow. The more this happens, the more Good Drow there must be.

As far as Eilistraee is concerned she's a lesser deity. which means she has any where from 1000 to 10,000 followers world wide, according to entery for lesser deitys in the front of the Faiths and Pantheons book. That's not a lot of followers if you consider the entire population of Faerun.

Secondly, if you're going to play a drow, why play a good one? That takes all the fun out of it. If you're not into that whole Lloth thing, play followers of Vhaeraun, they've got what could be construed as 'good' goals, but their still evil because of the dogma of their god. ;)

[BobGhengisKhan]

Except each party exists in its individual instance of the world.

And, what--the party can be special unique snowflakes and the only powerful people of their archetype, but can't possibly run into the world's only good drow?

Well, you won't see me arguing that Heroic Fantasy doesn't rely on the occasional coincidence. ;)

[Brickwall]

As far as Eilistraee is concerned she's a lesser deity. which means she has any where from 1000 to 10,000 followers world wide, according to entery for lesser deitys in the front of the Faiths and Pantheons book. That's not a lot of followers if you consider the entire population of Faerun.

Secondly, if you're going to play a drow, why play a good one? That takes all the fun out of it. If you're not into that whole Lloth thing, play followers of Vhaeraun, they've got what could be construed as 'good' goals, but their still evil because of the dogma of their god. ;)

But it IS a lot when you compare it to the population of drow, and it is enough for there to be a good drow in every adventuring party that meets above level 1.

[Dark Knight Renee]

Eilistraee only exists in Forgotten Realms, that I know of. That setting has... other problems.

[MrSeth]

Officially she only exists in Faerun. Unofficially, I've seen more than one generic D&D setting import her... mostly because of chaotic-good Drow characters that wanted the opportunity to follow her and pushover DMs that allowed it.

That being said... you're a Dark Knight? You look more like a sorceress, or possibly a pre-wing-growth favored soul.

[BobGhengisKhan]

That being said... you're a Dark Knight? You look more like a sorceress, or possibly a pre-wing-growth favored soul.

The avatar may not be the current character.

[Dark Knight Renee]

*looks at avatar* *breaks into a fit of hysterical laughter* I don't think my avatar represents any of my characters. IIRC, I picked it on the fly and never looked for another one...

[Dan_Hemmens]

Except each party exists in its individual instance of the world.


But each instance of the world is combined to give the phenomenon we call "D&D in general".

If it is the case that, in a D&D campaign involving Drow, the party are likely to meet a good drow at some point, then it can be said that "Good Drow are common in D&D".

This is something people constantly forget about worldbuilding. It doesn't matter how much detail you write about your setting, the setting the players experience is the setting their characters interact with. You simply can't reasonably expect the players to consider the idea of "Good Drow" to be unusual if they've seen one in every game they have been in, no matter how rare they're supposed to be in the source material.


And, what--the party can be special unique snowflakes and the only powerful people of their archetype, but can't possibly run into the world's only good drow?

They quite possibly can. But it's a question of circumstance. It's a question of piling improbability on top of improbability.

Once you've accepted that these five guys who happened to meet in a tavern just happened to be the only guys who can save the world, and that they need a clue which it just so happens can only be obtained from a single individual, it's going to be one step too co-incidental if the guy they have to go to also happens to be the only good Drow.

To put it another way: I have nothing against the PCs meeting the "Only Good Drow" in principle, but it has to make sense in context. If they're in the Underdark, and would be boned without an ally, use the OGD. If the concept of the game is "you're trying to find the only good Drow", use the OGD. Otherwise for the love of god give it a rest.

[Otterella]

I can't believe I just read all 20 pages of bitching. Actually I can, because what I hate is getting to the end of a long thread just to read a post that says "I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but..." followed by some comment that has been made 20 times already. So I never want to be that moron, so I always read EVERYTHING before posting.

Relating to D&D, the thing that bugs me MOST is players (I'll be nice and won't mention names) who play EVERY class like its a fighter, but won't just play a frelling fighter.

Case in point: we're playing a one-off with pre-fab characters, and the individual in question grabs the cleric. In our VERY FIRST BATTLE, he goes rushing headlong into the melee, takes one hit for about 3/4 of his hit points, then INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY to cure himself, sticks around to take another hit! It WOULD have been fatal damage, but the DM let him live. Of course, I (the bard) had to waste a potion on him. The only reason the DM let him live (I suspect) was because we were play-testing his scenario for Origins, and he didn't want it get ruined by one idiot in the first battle. So then, the player in question spends the rest of the evening complaining that the monsters are too hard and basically sulking, holding back, and not coming around to heal any of the rest of the party, so we wound up with a TPK.

He's a great guy IRL, just really frelling annoying in D&D.

[Leperflesh]

Hee hee hee...

I just have to point out that here

<can of worms>
you opened a can of worms, and here
And what exactly is Heroic Fantasy?we saw the content of your can of worms... here
</can of worms>you went on to close the can of worms. With the content still inside.
;D
Sorry. Nerd humor.

-Lep

[senior_stabby]

people who take dnd too serously i hate them

[Vulion]

When trees explode in 20d6 nit fireballs and your DM gives you no other explanantion then he wanted to try because he read about it in a site.

[Callos_DeTerran]

An irrational hatred....tentacles. Not so much the previously mentioned "Hate tentacle monsters cause their automatically mind shattering" but for a diffrent reason.

Can never take 'em seriously. Every time in my RL D&D group that someone says the word "tentacles" its as if the comedy vein just got shot and everyone starts busting a gut....as well as having their characters protecting any open orifice that a tentacle could be stuffed in.








....................Probaly didn't help that I found a PrC called Tentacle Master that lets people grow tentacles that shoot white acid at people. ....Why white? Why did they have to specify that its white acid?



And the first one to mention that my avatar has tentacles gets shipped an internet verison of Evard's Spiked Tentacles of Forced Intrusion.

[Big_Red_Bird]

....................Probaly didn't help that I found a PrC called Tentacle Master that lets people grow tentacles that shoot white acid at people. ....Why white? Why did they have to specify that its white acid?
Where did you find that PrC? I would love a link. That is hilarious.

[Brickwall]

Is it in the Book of Erotic Fantasy? That wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Balkash]

Elven rangers. thats all im going to say, Elven rangers.

[Zincorium]

Thread necromancy. Yeah, not a big fan of that. (points to the date of the post made before it was resurrected).

[SadisticFishing]

Ironically, what I hate is people with utterly irrational hatreds. I had no idea until I started reading this thread, but some of you really annoy me!

... :P

Just kidding. Mostly.

[Dawgas]

Paladins. Especially those that should not be Paladins but yet mysteriously are (I'm looking at you, Mister smite and ask questions, you're already dead).

also, bad spelrs.

[Thoughtbot360]

Wish. I took it out of my game.


Hug.


Oh, and I hate Paladins. Well, not paladins, but the fact that the DM can take your powers away if you do anything the less bit questionable (or a party member does it and I allow him too, because that would be "associating"). I mean, even if the DM is reasonable and wouldn't jump all over the player, the paladin can't take that chance. I leaves a kind of "doing the (possibly) right thing for the wrong reasons" taste in your mouth and it can result in party conflict.

Seriously, no adventuring party would allow a paladin to become a permanent member if they didn't understand what the Paladin's Code allows him (and them) to do, and they accepted that code themselves. The problem is, the paladin doesn't understand how far is too far. For every catgirl that dies because some dork couldn't stop talking about how physically impossible a plothole was; 5,000 Paladins fall, and three times that many ruin a campaign.

Think about it, strategy requires deception, fighting requires killing, and detecting evil requires invading privacy. Clearly, the paladin needs a lot of moral rationalization just to do the basic paladinny things.

[Thoughtbot360]

Ex-Paladin/Blackguards.

The idea of a hero fallen from grace becoming the ultimate servant of darkness is, when you really think about it, pretty implausible and frankly it's difficult to pull off well. The idea of a former paladin hanging out with demons is just downright silly. But the worst part is that everyone seems so enamored of the idea (WotC is pretty bad in this regard). When really one in a few thousand fallen paladins ought to fall that far.

What if they are only hanging around demons as an act to lower their guard?

:sabine:: Oh, Miko, how nice of you to invite me over to your house so we can discuss your future as a Blackguard. *sips tea* Whats in this tea again?
:miko:: Holy water tablets.
:sabine:: OH GODS I'M BURNING! OH MY GOD! YOU POISONED ME! HOW CAN YOU DO THAT, YOU USED POISON...
:miko:: Fallen. And besides, this isn't second edition Advanced D&D.
:sabine:: *dies*
:miko: :smallwink:

[Khanderas]

Um.. question... why is every half-breed paired up with humans? Are we the fantasy sex-toy for every other race out there in existence? Just seems kinda odd, that everything from the orc around the corner, to the dragon over there wants to mate with a human... ;)
My take is that the reason there are so many half X - half humans is because humans will boink anything. So its not the Orcs/Elfs/Dragons/Halfling/Gnomes and what have you.. -s fault.

I hate the Alliance in WoW. Almost all of them. Especially if they play a Human (can they BE more uncreative? </chandler>). Sheep they are. SHEEP ! (and cheap)

[Skyserpent]

I hate people who generalize.


All of them. :smallyuk:

[Mike_Lemmer]

My take is that the reason there are so many half X - half humans is because humans will boink anything. So its not the Orcs/Elfs/Dragons/Halfling/Gnomes and what have you.. -s fault.

Well, they do say humans are the most ambitious race.

"Betcha I can hit on that djinn."

[nagora]

Mickey Rooney.

Sorry, just had to get it off my chest - he's just been on TV :smallfurious:

[Thoughtbot360]

Well, they do say humans are the most ambitious race.

"Betcha I can hit on that djinn."

ambitious? or depraved?

I mean seriously, there are Half-orcs, Half-Elves, Assimar, Tieflings, great Gruumsh, man! Humans have f***ed nearly everything under the sun!

.....actually, I see that the guy just above me has beat me too it....oh, crap theres like a full-blown discussion on humans boinking things.

[Roland St. Jude]

Sheriff of Moddingham: Wow, talk about your Thread Necromancy. Please don't do that folks!