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DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 10:32 PM
Greetings Playgrounders. I need a little help with my lvl60 char.

I want to make an Old Master who exudes patience but in a fight can move faster than the eye can see. Right now I have used 43 levels out of 60 and need more speed.
I can move 120ft normally (upgrading to 170 sometimes when I use Burning Rush) and have 4 extra Full BAB attacks and 4 Elemental attacks, and I can (Ex) Teleport up to 600ft as part of my Full Attack.

I need more. I am thinking of using the Evolution mechanics (but I can't find them, link plz :smallsmile:) and buying speed-boosting magic items but I would like some specific things.

Anyone know any good speed-boost items/class features or things that give an Unarmed Fighter more attacks.

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-24, 10:42 PM
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19861942/Chuck_E._Cheese

Zat fast enough for ya??

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 10:49 PM
Due to school blocks I can't see most of that build (I can't open spoilers in proxies) but that seems to be 3 more levels than I have to spend and involces slightly more level dipping than I would like (simply from the amount of random class features I would pick up that need typing out)

Can you break it down in here for me and maybe skim off 3 levels please?

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-24, 10:53 PM
Does this work?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sXbQx2HoWBYJ:community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19861942/Chuck_E._Cheese+D%26D+chuck+e.+cheese

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 10:54 PM
School blocked.
We have some smart nerds working on the blocks (lazy about closing Proxies though, lucyloot has been working a year)

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-24, 10:55 PM
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5788.0 try that.

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 10:56 PM
Thank you.

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-24, 10:59 PM
Do note you will need to tone this down quite a bit for, you know, real campaign use...

Acanous
2011-08-24, 11:01 PM
I suggest taking levels in Dervish for the attack-move-attack-move-attack power. Grab a single level of wizard (Conjurer) and take the Abrupt Jaunt ACF, which lets you port 10 feet as an immediate action int bonus times per day. The Dervish thing may stack with your 600 feet of teleportation. Does it list "May teleport Once, up to 600 feet", or does it say "May teleport up to 600 feet as part of a full attack action"?
Because that second one could be argued to stack with dervish, letting you move 600 feet in a series of blinks with an attack or two inbetween, so long as your next target is within dervish range.

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-24, 11:02 PM
I'd say if you like combat mobility, try a Hood build. Those are fun!

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872838/Little_Red_Raiding_Hood:_A_Tale_of_38;_Guide_to_th e_3.5_Dragoon

Hiro Protagonest
2011-08-24, 11:03 PM
I suggest taking levels in Dervish for the attack-move-attack-move-attack power.

I suggest the Tiger Claw stance Wolf Pack Tactics.

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 11:03 PM
Do note you will need to tone this down quite a bit for, you know, real campaign use...

lvl60 Epic, and it's a game where the OP (me) said "The game where you can take your OP stuff out of the dusty box, brush it off and actually use it."
Besides, I already have a BAB of 60 due to Divine Power/Might (always confusing those) and 4 extra Full BAB attacks, all my attacks are 2D10 and in a pinch I can bust out my Soundbending for ~100D4 Auto damage or my Claw of the Phoenix for ~600D6 as a Ranged Touch

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 11:07 PM
I suggest taking levels in Dervish for the attack-move-attack-move-attack power. Grab a single level of wizard (Conjurer) and take the Abrupt Jaunt ACF, which lets you port 10 feet as an immediate action int bonus times per day. The Dervish thing may stack with your 600 feet of teleportation. Does it list "May teleport Once, up to 600 feet", or does it say "May teleport up to 600 feet as part of a full attack action"?
Because that second one could be argued to stack with dervish, letting you move 600 feet in a series of blinks with an attack or two inbetween, so long as your next target is within dervish range.

"You may Teleport as a Swift Action 10ft/level when Full Attacking" (due to Epic Hero my level is my Character level, which is 60)

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-24, 11:12 PM
Eh, if you aren't doing 5000+ damage on a single charge by level 20 in an epic game, you are doing it wrong. Since you have SIXTY LEVELS to do with, you could just use the 20 version of chuck as is. Hell, it is RIDICULOUSLY easy to have things that simply, by the rules, CAN NOT LOSE at this point. At a level 60 game, I wouldn't come in with anything lower power than a Chuck, an Omniscificer, or a Nanobots build

http://web.archive.org/web/20061112212706/boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=546612

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19870890/Updated_Nanobots_Conquer_D38;D_%28AC,_Attack,_and_ Skill_Records%29

Note that these are, yaknow, level 20 builds. 600d6 damage at a ranged touch at level 60 is CRAP. You should be going exponential and using scientific notation by level 60...

Acanous
2011-08-24, 11:13 PM
burns your swift. Disregard, then.

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-24, 11:36 PM
Wait it's a Free Action, never mind.
the actual quote is "Applying a ki strike augment is a free action unless otherwise noted in the description" "You may teleport (as greater teleport) to your target before attacking"

I was reading the wrong part.

ShneekeyTheLost
2011-08-25, 12:26 AM
If you have a free action teleport, then Shadow Pounce for infinite damage.

Psyren
2011-08-25, 12:45 AM
Level 60? Does it even make sense to roll dice at that level? It'd be just as effective to stand in the corners of the room and flick rubber bands at the minis to see which ones fall over :smalltongue:

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-25, 02:03 AM
Level 60? Does it even make sense to roll dice at that level? It'd be just as effective to stand in the corners of the room and flick rubber bands at the minis to see which ones fall over :smalltongue:

It's PBP so we don't have minis.
Plus the chars are likely to come back an instant later anyway :smallamused:

2xMachina
2011-08-25, 02:54 AM
Warblade? Time Stands Still and Avalanche of Blades can give you a lot of attacks in 1 round.

deuxhero
2011-08-25, 03:52 AM
Do note you will need to tone this down quite a bit for, you know, real campaign use...

Not really, given he said it was epic...

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-25, 08:31 AM
Not really, given he said it was epic...

Yea that's why I rescinded what I said earlier and suggested he have characters that can do damage in the six digits on up.

Lateral
2011-08-25, 08:34 AM
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19861942/Chuck_E._Cheese

Zat fast enough for ya??

You do know that Chuck E. Cheese doesn't work anymore, right? They errata'd Footsteps of the Divine.

Gavinfoxx
2011-08-25, 08:35 AM
They did? Ah well. What's something more current that works??

Fouredged Sword
2011-08-25, 08:46 AM
Yes, I would go with a warblade level for blood in the water stance and then get shadow pounce.

Assuming minimum 5ft teleports, you are looking at something like 120 full attacks. 9 attacks each (all TWFing, snap kick).

That turns into 1080 attacks. Something like 108 critical threats. If you boost your ability to confirm threats (not hard with warblade and other abilites) you are looking at confirming at least half of those, so +54 to hit and damage every round, self stacking.

So your round comes up and you teleport around the room and do 100s of full attacks and end up with silly boni to attack and damage by the end of it, so that next round you are even more powerful.

That seems to be the ideal speed monster to me.

DragonOfUndeath
2011-08-26, 03:36 AM
where is the Shadow Pounce you guys are talking about? What book/page or link to the homebrew

olentu
2011-08-26, 04:00 AM
where is the Shadow Pounce you guys are talking about? What book/page or link to the homebrew

Oh it is an ability of several prestige classes to make a full attack after teleporting. Off hand I can only recall the crinti shadow marauder from shining south having it but I know there are some others.

0nimaru
2011-08-26, 04:00 AM
Teflammar Shadowlord from Unapproachable East also has Shadow Pounce I believe. It is a Faerun book.