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NeoSeraphi

2011-09-20, 01:21 AM

Ooh! Oooh! Complete Warrior Samurai!

That's the first, and possibly last time that class will be the answer to any question regarding class features.

Black_Zawisza

2011-09-20, 04:04 AM

I would try asking the DM if he'll just hand it to you. I know I'd let you have it.

noparlpf

2011-09-20, 06:09 AM

There's a variant Fighter or Barbarian (I forget which, I think Barbarian) that gets the TWF chain for unarmed strikes only. Check out the Crystal Keep index of base classes.

Duncan_Ruadrik

2011-09-20, 07:05 AM

There's a variant Fighter or Barbarian (I forget which, I think Barbarian) that gets the TWF chain for unarmed strikes only. Check out the Crystal Keep index of base classes.

Didnt WOTC basically shut down crystal keep? I've been in Australia for awhile now, so I havent really been checking on it...

Airanath

2011-09-20, 07:09 AM

They did, but the interwebs ha the power of raise dead, the files are still around, if you look hard enough in the shades. I believe there was even an update to them back in 2010. I should look at again for those mirrors myself to see if there is a more updated version.

grarrrg

2011-09-20, 07:22 AM

Ooh! Oooh! Complete Warrior Samurai!

That's the first, and possibly last time that class will be the answer to any question regarding useful class features.

Fixed that for you. :smallcool:

noparlpf

2011-09-20, 07:53 AM

Didnt WOTC basically shut down crystal keep? I've been in Australia for awhile now, so I havent really been checking on it...

No idea, but a friend pointed me to a .pdf that apparently came from them and it's pretty handy.

Devmaar

2011-09-20, 09:39 AM

One issue of Dragon had a Monk variant which could choose their bonus feats from the entire fighter list

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-20, 11:09 AM

Fixed that for you. :smallcool:

Psh, no you didn't! You think gaining Two-Weapon Fighting, but only when you're wielding a masterwork bastard sword and a masterwork shortsword is a useful class feature?

Talya

2011-09-20, 11:29 AM

There's a variant Fighter or Barbarian (I forget which, I think Barbarian) that gets the TWF chain for unarmed strikes only. Check out the Crystal Keep index of base classes.

It's Barbarian. "Urban Brawler" or some such variant.

grarrrg

2011-09-20, 12:05 PM

Ooh! Oooh! Complete Warrior Samurai!

That's the first, and possibly last time that class will be the answer to any question regarding semi-useful class features.

Psh, no you didn't! You think gaining Two-Weapon Fighting, but only when you're wielding a masterwork bastard sword and a masterwork shortsword is a useful class feature?

Fixed that for me. :smallcool:

My original point on your original statment still stands though.
CW-Samurai has plenty of Class Features, they just aren't very good or worth the trouble.

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-20, 12:15 PM

Fixed that for me. :smallcool:

My original point on your original statment still stands though.
CW-Samurai has plenty of Class Features, they just aren't very good or worth the trouble.

:smallcool: Now that is a fix, good sir.

And you're right, I should have been less exclusive with my statement.

Curmudgeon

2011-09-20, 02:04 PM

You're looking for the City Brawler ACF (Dragon # 349, page 92). That's about the only way I know to get Two-Weapon Fighting to apply when you've only got a single weapon (unarmed strike). The ACF gives you TWF (unarmed only) at Barbarian 1, Improved TWF (again, unarmed only) at Barbarian 6, and Greater TWF (ditto) at Barbarian 11.

Darrin

2011-09-20, 03:55 PM

There's also the Multiheaded Creature template in Savage Species. For LA +2, you get Superior Two-Weapon Fighting, Con +2, Improved Initiative, and Combat Reflexes.

ShneekeyTheLost

2011-09-20, 04:12 PM

Ooh! Oooh! Complete Warrior Samurai!

That's the first, and possibly last time that class will be the answer to any question regarding class features.

Only if he uses a Bastard Sword/Shortsword combo.

Ryu_Bonkosi

2011-09-20, 04:57 PM

To everyone suggesting the Barbarian variant, I know about it BUT it doesn't give you Two-Weapon Fighting, it just lets you act as if you had it for unarmed strikes, so it doesn't help for meeting requirements for prcs and such.

Also Devmaar, can you recall which dragon mag that is in, because it will help me in my cause to spread amazingness for feat starved martial characters that is Monk 2.

deuxhero

2011-09-20, 05:58 PM

Ooh! Oooh! Complete Warrior Samurai!

That's the first, and possibly last time that class will be the answer to any question regarding class features.

"Worst class features?"

:p

Worth noting the Gloves of Balanced Hands give ITWF if you have TWF from something else.

2xMachina

2011-09-21, 12:15 AM

But no GTWF?

deuxhero

2011-09-21, 12:21 AM

Not that I know of.

MesiDoomstalker

2011-09-21, 12:27 AM

There's also the Multiheaded Creature template in Savage Species. For LA +2, you get Superior Two-Weapon Fighting, Con +2, Improved Initiative, and Combat Reflexes.

Correction: For medium humanoids, Multiheaded Creature template adss 2 RHD and +2 LA. Because such a creature has 3 RHD, you don't drop off one and thus have a minimum ECL of 6. Regardless, a 2-headed character would be fun to roleplay.

ericgrau

2011-09-21, 01:55 AM

Only if he uses a Bastard Sword/Shortsword combo.
Given that he gains proficiency it's not a bad idea to use that combo though. Especially if you can get yourself a pair of sun blade (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicWeapons.htm#sunBlade)s which qualify as both and yet you only need your feats to focus on one or the other.

Devmaar

2011-09-21, 11:04 AM

Also Devmaar, can you recall which dragon mag that is in, because it will help me in my cause to spread amazingness for feat starved martial characters that is Monk 2.

Google suggests #310, but I am currently unable to confirm :smallsmile:

Curmudgeon

2011-09-21, 02:27 PM

Google suggests #310, but I am currently unable to confirm :smallsmile:
Yep. That's the "Martial Monk" variant. Dragon # 310, on page 45.

Elric VIII

2011-09-21, 02:40 PM

Yep. That's the "Martial Monk" variant. Dragon # 310, on page 45.

Does this actually bypass prerequisites?

Dusk Eclipse

2011-09-21, 02:45 PM

IIRC that interpretation hinges on

A monk need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select them.

I don't have Dragon # 310 at hand to check if the ACF changes the wording though.

Elric VIII

2011-09-21, 03:26 PM

IIRC that interpretation hinges on

I don't have Dragon # 310 at hand to check if the ACF changes the wording though.

I guess it could be argued that way. The Dragon Magazine entry says, "Gain: Fighter bonus feat list to choose monk bonus feats..."

That's pretty cool, although I could reasonably see DMs not allowing things like Shock Trooper at level 1.

Ryu_Bonkosi

2011-09-21, 03:33 PM

I guess it could be argued that way. The Dragon Magazine entry says, "Gain: Fighter bonus feat list to choose monk bonus feats..."

That's pretty cool, although I could reasonably see DMs not allowing things like Shock Trooper at level 1.

Hurray! Monk 2 is now one of the most broken dips in the world! :smalltongue:

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-21, 03:52 PM

Wow. Weapon Supremacy at level 1, Shock Trooper at level 2! You can take 10 on attack rolls at level 1!

Curmudgeon

2011-09-21, 04:05 PM

Does this actually bypass prerequisites?
No, because (1) the Dragon text doesn't repeat that from the Monk Bonus Feats class feature; and (2) the Monk text only says
At 1st level, a monk may select either Improved Grapple or Stunning Fist as a bonus feat. At 2nd level, she may select either Combat Reflexes or Deflect Arrows as a bonus feat. At 6th level, she may select either Improved Disarm or Improved Trip as a bonus feat. A monk need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select them. Obviously these refers to just the six specific feats listed.

candycorn

2011-09-21, 04:32 PM

No, because (1) the Dragon text doesn't repeat that from the Monk Bonus Feats class feature; and (2) the Monk text only says Obviously these refers to just the six specific feats listed.

But what if the monk is also a monster?

The line gives the creature’s feats. A monster gains feats just as a character does. Sometimes a creature has one or more bonus feats, marked with a superscript B (B). Creatures often do not have the prerequisites for a bonus feat. If this is so, the creature can still use the feat. If you wish to customize the creature with new feats, you can reassign its other feats, but not its bonus feats. A creature cannot have a feat that is not a bonus feat unless it has the feat’s prerequisites.
This one doesn't refer to "these" bonus feats.

Elric VIII

2011-09-21, 04:35 PM

But what if the monk is also a monster?

This one doesn't refer to "these" bonus feats.

Wouldn't that only apply to racial bonus feats?

Dr.Epic

2011-09-21, 04:35 PM

Other then Ranger 2 and Dread Pirate 1 what are some ways of getting TWF without the 15 dex requirement?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/RangerSmith.png

"What do you have against rangers?"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Aragorn500ppx.png

"Yeah, what's you're problem with rangers?"

http://power-rangers.otavo.tv/wp-content/uploads/082509_0907_WatchPowerR1.png

"Yeah, come one! We're even color-coded!"

:smalltongue:

Flickerdart

2011-09-21, 04:50 PM

Ryu_Bonkosi

2011-09-21, 06:39 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/RangerSmith.png

"What do you have against rangers?"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Aragorn500ppx.png

"Yeah, what's you're problem with rangers?"

http://power-rangers.otavo.tv/wp-content/uploads/082509_0907_WatchPowerR1.png

"Yeah, come one! We're even color-coded!"

:smalltongue:

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1172159/article_images/dreadpirate.jpg
"And what's wrong with dread pirates?"

http://images.wikia.com/godofwar/images/1/19/Kratos_rendering_concept.jpg
They are too sissy for my concept. :smallamused:

Just kidding.
Absolutely nothing is wrong with them normally. But in the build I am trying to use this for I already have levels in wildshape ranger and I don't have room for the feats required for dread pirate.

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-21, 06:57 PM

http://images.wikia.com/godofwar/images/1/19/Kratos_rendering_concept.jpg
They are too sissy for my concept. :smallamused:

Just kidding.
Absolutely nothing is wrong with them normally. But in the build I am trying to use this for I already have levels in wildshape ranger and I don't have room for the feats required for dread pirate.

If you're wildshaping why do you need Two-Weapon Fighting? Just curious.

Dusk Eclipse

2011-09-21, 07:00 PM

If you're wildshaping why do you need Two-Weapon Fighting? Just curious.

My guess is a MOTMF using humanoid or giant forms.

Draz74

2011-09-21, 07:06 PM

But no GTWF?

Not that I know of.

Who cares? GTWF just gives you an extra attack with a -12 attack penalty. :smallsigh:

Unless I'm playing Core-Only, I don't think I'll ever build a character with GTWF. TWF + Gloves is a great stopping place.

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-21, 07:19 PM

My guess is a MOTMF using humanoid or giant forms.

I'm disappointed then. With the Soren avatar I was hoping he was trying to make Adept into a class feature by dual-wielding spells with a combination of TWF and arcane spellsurge

Dusk Eclipse

2011-09-21, 07:28 PM

Is adept an skill from Radiant Dawn? I havent been able to play it.

Ryu_Bonkosi

2011-09-21, 07:58 PM

If you're wildshaping why do you need Two-Weapon Fighting? Just curious.

Daggerspell Shaper

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-21, 08:10 PM

Is adept an skill from Radiant Dawn? I havent been able to play it.

It's in Path of Radiance too. It's the one that allows Soren to attack twice with one attack action (IE, if he would normally double hit due to speed, he would instead hit twice with one hit, then let the other person attack, then hit again)

Dusk Eclipse

2011-09-21, 08:20 PM

Oh now I remember... nothing as fun as getting 4 consecutives hits with Elwind on a Wyvern rider:smallbiggrin:

NeoSeraphi

2011-09-21, 08:57 PM

Oh now I remember... nothing as fun as getting 4 consecutives hits with Elwind on a Wyvern rider:smallbiggrin:

I disagree. Getting four consecutive hits with Elthunder on a dragon laguz was quite fun.

Adept needs to be a thing in D&D. Also were-dragons. Were-dragons need to be a thing in D&D too.

Ryu_Bonkosi

2011-09-21, 09:26 PM

I disagree. Getting four consecutive hits with Elthunder on a dragon laguz was quite fun.

Adept needs to be a thing in D&D. Also were-dragons. Were-dragons need to be a thing in D&D too.

Can't any creature technically be a were creature?