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[RecklessAbaddon]

Cleric of Bahamut. Dragon born/dwarf. 35 point buy.

Just wondering what kind of dwarf you would suggest I use. I play the only arcane caster so this character will be a caster, we have a duskblade and a Bard. If my Ultimate Magus dies I'm planning on just introducing this other character. The ultimate magus being an exarch (for a bronze dragon) I figure he has recruited/allied with the dragonborn at some time to kill some evil dragons to help out his master.

Base stats of 10 and I can go as low as I want with any of them for 1 point each. For obvious reasons I want 18 Wis so (((35-4)-4)-6)=21 points left without taking points away. Tomes to increase stats are allowed, starting gold for a 20th level character as per the DMG/PHB (idk what book it's in but it's like 780,000 i think).

We already have a paladin, so no prestigious pally (I wanted to prestige as paladin but realized we already have one. In secondary thought our party is all humans [we managed to pick only humans on accident, this wasn't a requirement], so I might go human dragonborn instead but i don't know how much that matter.

I've been looking at ordained champion, but Nothing is even remotely wrote down yet.

Honestly the chances of this character being used are slim but I DM so it could always turn out to be an NPC. I was thinking about maybe Gold Dwarf/Golden Dragonborn.

[Hirax]

What level are you starting at. How high op? Any banned sources?

edit: to be clear, you post mentions 20th level, which is technically still pre-epic, but the title says epic. Hence the question.

edit2: well, as a shot in the dark, how about wizard6/swiftblade9/archmage5

At 20th level enemies would have a 50% chance of failure in hitting you with basically anything that isn't an area attack. You get an extra standard action every turn, so long as you have haste active (which you can now cast quickened without a spell level increase). At this point, thanks to spring attack, bounding assault, and arcane reach from archmage, you'll be able to get within 30 feet of an opponent (your reach with touch spells, 60 feet if you take the ability twice), hit them with 2 touch spells, then move away. Your move speed while hasted is 70, so you've got plenty of mobility. You also get 9th level spells, barely, since you miss 3 levels of wizard progression. But that's a worthwhile tradeoff IMO, because you can get your spells off much more quickly.

Note the pre reqs for swiftblade, you'd need to pick a race with a martial weapon proficiency unless you want to dump a feat on it. Gray elves have +2 int and are the obvious choice. Wizard6 is obviously expendable, just be wary of the required BAB+3 for swiftblade. If you play with fractional BAB stacking, wizard5/mindbender1 isn't a bad choice, or wizard2/master specialist4, or even wizard2/master specialist3/mindbender1

One thing you might have fun with: get boots of speed so you can get haste up as a free action instead of a swift action (not to mention conserving spell slots). Use your swift action to activate a belt of battle. On your first turn you now have 2 full round actions and an extra standard action.

[hex0]

But he is looking for a Dwarf Cleric?

What level?

I always like Divine Oracle and Contemplative for PRCs for Clerics. You don't have too many Bahamut ones to choose from though.

If you could get Ordained Champion approved, I'd go for it. Dracolyte isn't too impressive and Platinum Knight is more for Paladins. If you were starting at a high enough level where you would still have ninth level spells, I would go for it then. Like if you were a level 25 Cleric (or equivalent) 10/Platinum Knight 10/Cleric 5, you'd still cast as a level 20 Cleric. Or maybe work some Prestige Paladin in there (edit). I'd assume epic Platinum Knight would get bonus feats from the Paladin list at 13th and every third after, +1 Natural Armor at 11th and every 3 after, and extra smite evil dragon at 13th and every after. +1 spellcasting every other level. Not too shabby.

Although once your Cleric spellcasting reaches an effective 20, you might as well take something with a different list and/or nice abilities. Vassal of Bahamut and Pious Templar come to mind.

[RecklessAbaddon]

level 20 until the end of the next session. So by the time this character is in play they would be 21.

But for the sake of this thread lets say 20.

Bo sources banned. The DM really doesn't care as long as I'm not playing a completly broken character. I don't really care how strong my character is, duskblade and Bard are the only other casters other than the lvl 20 paladin. I'm going to be the most powerful character most likely in terms of being able to break the game. The character is pretty much your typical dragonborn, hunting evil dragons and such.

Probably also going around and helping towns when he has nothing better to do, when an evil dragon attacks a village he would probably heal the village/help rebuild before seeking the dragon out.

My basic idea without any other changes is Cleric 15/ordained champion 5 Once I get cleric CL 20 I'm alright with changing to either another divine class or something that isn't a full caster. I'd really even be alright with just adding straight paladin, or some other divine base class/non caster holy warrior.

Maybe even something like the justicar. Once I become a level 20 cleric it's really just filler, i suppose another wisdom based casting class would work.

[RecklessAbaddon]

The stat bonus tomes are allowed too.

I made a rough draft of my stats after point buy, and the 5 bonus stat points I get.

Str 16
Dex 10
Con 18
Int 14
Wis 21
Cha 14

So for 25,500 a pop I can also get +5 to technically all my stats, but like I said the DM allows anything but he doesn't want things like outright abuse. So I'd probably stick to just one or two stats, maybe 3. My Ultimate magus didn't use them just because i wasn't sure if they would be allowed.

With ordained Champion 5 (assuming all other classes are full caster progression) I would still need 2 more levels.

I'm working on looking at the PrC's listed here for what they offer. I'm thinking about Divine Metamagic, but I just need to think about what Metamagic feat I would want to associate the DMM feat with. I've been looking at the clerics handbook.

Even though I'm worshiping Bahamut I'm thinking about being a gold dragon paragon. Including the Bonus Ordained Champion Domain I my domains go as follows: Dragon/Good + War (Bonus).

Since ordained Champ cancels out my Spontaneous healing, I might prepare a few low level healing spells.

Slight focus on stone spells, but only enough to show I'm a dwarf.

MIC is allowed. We have a large library of books. The only thing off limits is things it suggests not to do (like allowing a prestige pally in a game with a normal Pally).

However we have no ranger, so that's game. But probably don't want to.


If we didn't already have a bard I'd think about taking levels in bard just to singe about the glory of bahamut.

[Hirax]

Oops. Missed the first line.

How about thaumaturgist? Full casting progression, and you get a cohort as the 5th level capstone. Perhaps a planetar? Always nice to have a cohort that casts as a 17th level cleric.

[hex0]

Where is Gold Dragon Paragon?

Also Cleric 15/Ordained Champion 5 is a bit boring. The only thing you lose for your level is turn undead. I would go Cleric 5/Divine Oracle 2/Ordained Champion 5/Dragon Slayer 3/Contemplative 2/Divine Oracle 3. 17th level cleric casting and decent BAB/HP

[Dark Kerman]

Fairly sure there is a Race in Races of the Dragon which is basically a Dwarf which is with a bit of red dragon blood, due to the dragons having made them slaves. They as aresult hate reds.

[RecklessAbaddon]

Where is Gold Dragon Paragon?

Also Cleric 15/Ordained Champion 5 is a bit boring. The only thing you lose for your level is turn undead. I would go Cleric 5/Divine Oracle 2/Ordained Champion 5/Dragon Slayer 3/Contemplative 2/Divine Oracle 3. 17th level cleric casting and decent BAB/HP

OH I just means Gold Dragon Dragonborn. I must of been thinking about being an awesome Dragonborn and let the paragon slip, Edited. lol

I'm not set in stone to only be that. But I just mean the ordained champion is just an interesting PrC so I am ok with it already.

Your suggestion sounds pretty damn nice though.

Summoning would be nice, I'm going to check out how many kinds of draconic things you can summon and see if i could get some draconic cohort. Or some evil dragon hating cohort. Me having a cohort isn't such a big deal. We have 6-7 players depending on the night not including the DM.

[BIGMamaSloth]

The stat bonus tomes are allowed too.

I made a rough draft of my stats after point buy, and the 5 bonus stat points I get.

Str 16
Dex 10
Con 18
Int 14
Wis 21
Cha 14

So for 25,500 a pop I can also get +5 to technically all my stats
or for 200,000 you can get a +6 to all of them! what's that belt called again? amazing belt? wonderful belt? incredible belt? it' something like that.

[RecklessAbaddon]

or for 200,000 you can get a +6 to all of them! what's that belt called again? amazing belt? wonderful belt? incredible belt? it' something like that.

Is it permanent though? Because these +5's are permanent. And Additive to enhancement bonuses to stats.

[hex0]

You don't need to buy all the books. Wisdom is your priority, unless you want to take the epic feats that require high stats in another, like positive energy aura or fast healing.

You do need some sexy battle armor though, unless you were a Vassal of Bahamut that gives you nice armor iirc and free platinum pieces. I would not reccomend that class if you are playing a cleric. If you wanted to play the group's ranger, you could mix up your choice of Ranger/Vassal/Platinum Knight/Dragon Slayer/Pious Templar/Ordained Champion etc.

If not, I'd stick with Cleric 5/Divine Oracle 2/Ordained Champion 5/Dragon Slayer 3/Contemplative 2/Divine Oracle 3. You could swap the 2nd and third Dragon Slayer levels (or all of them) for Contemplative, Platinum Knight and/or Divine Oracle if you want more Cleric spellcasting.