Playing an Ooze? [Archive] - Giant in the Playground Forums

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-09-29, 01:08 AM

In a previous thread I was reminded that Oozes have a Con score. For some reason, I kept forgetting that.
I would now like to try and make an ooze character.

Sentry Ooze can give an ooze an Int score, as can a variety of other templates. But, what is the level adjustment for playing an ooze (any ooze)? I haven't found one anywhere. I'm assuming, likely, that one does not exist.

If this is the case, is there a monstrous class (like those in savage species or created here in the playground) that stats out becoming an ooze through class levels?

I recall there is a PrC somewhere (BoVD maybe) that makes you an ooze as a capstone, but I'm more interested in starting as an ooze (character race is ooze).

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Tvtyrant

2011-09-29, 01:25 AM

An ooze's major advantages are a large con score and multiple immunities. Looking at the traits, I find it safe to say that the best way to make an Ooze character would be to refluff a Warforged, and then have feats that grant the rest of its traits back. Slam like a Warforged for a racial feat, the ability to do acid damage on a slam instead of the Warforged's bite, etc.

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-09-29, 02:47 AM

Refluffing a warforged isn't a bad idea. It works if we can't a way to determine the LA that would be applied to playing an ooze or homebrew an ooze base class (assuming one does not already exist).

Thanks.

*.*.*.*

2011-09-29, 04:44 AM

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9557.0

Take a look through the index

The Succubus

2011-09-29, 04:54 AM

I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with an ooze party member, given that being engulfed in acid and digested while I'm asleep is generally pretty uncomfortable.

aazru

2011-09-29, 05:18 AM

I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with an ooze party member, given that being engulfed in acid and digested while I'm asleep is generally pretty uncomfortable.

Not if you are an acidborn aquatic elf maiden. :smallbiggrin:

MikolasTheAngry

2011-09-29, 05:24 AM

Not if you are an acidborn aquatic elf maiden. :smallbiggrin:

It's like a full-body massage and gentle exfoliation!

Or tentacle porn. :smalleek:

Your gear would all still dissolve too, wouldn't it? I mean, I'm assuming you aren't camping out naked. Even if YOU live, having Bill the Black Pudding eat your sword every week would get frustrating.

Darrin

2011-09-29, 06:29 AM

Sentry Ooze can give an ooze an Int score, as can a variety of other templates. But, what is the level adjustment for playing an ooze (any ooze)? I haven't found one anywhere. I'm assuming, likely, that one does not exist.

One of the problems with the Sentry Ooze template is yeah, it gives you an Int of 2 (animal intelligence, so they can be trained), but to get a higher Int, you need to change the creature type to something else. The easiest method is throwing on Half-Dragon, which increases Int to 4.

However, I prefer going from Sentry Ooze to Corrupted by the Abyss (type = aberration) and then Spellwarped (2 + 4 = 6 Int).

As far as LA goes, rules-wise you're deliberately going off the rails, so you're stuck with eyeballing it and then playtesting it for balance issues. Sentry Ooze, Half-Dragon, and Corrupted by the Abyss don't have any LA listed, so if we laughingly ignore the LA on those, we can somewhat brazenly propose a Half-Dragon Sentry Gelatinous Cube is ECL 7 (4HD + 3LA).

A Spellwarped Corrupted Sentry Gelatinous Cube has a similar LA, but I think both Spellwarped and Corrupted by the Abyss are considerably more powerful than the Half-Dragon template, so ECL 7 is probably a bit on the "too low" side.

I recall there is a PrC somewhere (BoVD maybe) that makes you an ooze as a capstone, but I'm more interested in starting as an ooze (character race is ooze).

Oozemaster, Masters of the Wild p. 67. It's a half-caster class and yeah, the capstone gives you most of the perks of the ooze type.

Here's a couple older ooze-related posts, on intelligent oozes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10529104&postcount=4) and some ooze-related links (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10628776&postcount=11).

And a more recent discovery... Ghaunadan in Monsters of Faerun, essentially "ooze people". PGtF updated them to 3.5, so they're now 5HD aberrations with the shapechanger subtype. No idea what the LA would be... given their stats, immunities, and all those (Ex) abilities... +4?

The Succubus

2011-09-29, 06:37 AM

It's like a full-body massage and gentle exfoliation!

Or tentacle porn. :smalleek:

Your gear would all still dissolve too, wouldn't it? I mean, I'm assuming you aren't camping out naked. Even if YOU live, having Bill the Black Pudding eat your sword every week would get frustrating.

I think my brain just broke.

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-09-29, 05:51 PM

One of the problems with the Sentry Ooze template is yeah, it gives you an Int of 2 (animal intelligence, so they can be trained), but to get a higher Int, you need to change the creature type to something else. The easiest method is throwing on Half-Dragon, which increases Int to 4.

However, I prefer going from Sentry Ooze to Corrupted by the Abyss (type = aberration) and then Spellwarped (2 + 4 = 6 Int).

As far as LA goes, rules-wise you're deliberately going off the rails, so you're stuck with eyeballing it and then playtesting it for balance issues. Sentry Ooze, Half-Dragon, and Corrupted by the Abyss don't have any LA listed, so if we laughingly ignore the LA on those, we can somewhat brazenly propose a Half-Dragon Sentry Gelatinous Cube is ECL 7 (4HD + 3LA).

A Spellwarped Corrupted Sentry Gelatinous Cube has a similar LA, but I think both Spellwarped and Corrupted by the Abyss are considerably more powerful than the Half-Dragon template, so ECL 7 is probably a bit on the "too low" side.

Oozemaster, Masters of the Wild p. 67. It's a half-caster class and yeah, the capstone gives you most of the perks of the ooze type.

Here's a couple older ooze-related posts, on intelligent oozes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10529104&postcount=4) and some ooze-related links (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10628776&postcount=11).

And a more recent discovery... Ghaunadan in Monsters of Faerun, essentially "ooze people". PGtF updated them to 3.5, so they're now 5HD aberrations with the shapechanger subtype. No idea what the LA would be... given their stats, immunities, and all those (Ex) abilities... +4?

Alright, thank you.

If we were to look at some of the more fun Oozes, say Arcane Ooze or Summoning Ooze from MM III, do you have any thoughts on LA there? I don't really have Savage Species, so stating it out is beyond me at the moment.

I'll take a peak at the Aberrant Ooze people, thanks. Why did everything/is everything related to Ooze an Aberration now?

I think my brain just broke.

Isn't it fun when that happens. I love those moments. Everything time someone's mind breaks a thrall of Demigorgon is initiated.

EDIT: Spoke to a friend who mentioned savage species has a "gelatinous" template. He said it has no LA, but sounds wrong.

Mockingbird

2011-09-29, 06:05 PM

After seeing the title of the thread..
..........WHAT

DukeofDellot

2011-09-29, 06:30 PM

There's a third party publisher that put out a jellyman race... I think they called them Squole (http://www.alluriapublishing.com/squole-p.htm)... yeah, I've been using them as a standard race for a while now.

Friggin' Alluria, their stuff is rarely all that balanced, but it's damned fluffy.

So... Jellyman Monk (Fist of Minty Acid) or Jellyman Bard (Song of burning Cherry)?

Getsugaru

2011-09-29, 06:31 PM

Apply the Sentry Ooze template, followed by the Awakened Template.

pffh

2011-09-29, 06:45 PM

If you don't mind homebrew the improved monster classes thread has 3 level awakened geletinous cube class. Don´t know if it's good or not but it might be worth a look.

Thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192151
Class: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9385418&postcount=467

Urpriest

2011-09-29, 09:00 PM

Apply the Sentry Ooze template, followed by the Awakened Template.

Not a template. That said, IIRC Awaken Ooze exists as a spell somewhere. Doesn't help with the LA question, but you really probably are going to have to eyeball it and that's all there is to it.

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-09-29, 09:07 PM

I looked at the monstrous class and it's not too bad.

There are a variety of ways I can get what I'm looking for without really having to worry about eyeballing LA from monsters that are available. Using a multitude of templates and some classes/PrC I should be okay.

The one thing that is sorely lacking from all of these is Constrict and Engulf. Though the monstrous base class has Engulf, it has no Constrict.

How can I get Engulf and Constrict?

If I can get a DM that will allow the monstrous base-class (which is iffy), is there a way I can get Constrict?

If I can't get a DM that would allow the monstrous base-class, is there a way I can get Engulf and Constrict?

Urpriest

2011-09-29, 09:10 PM

I looked at the monstrous class and it's not too bad.

There are a variety of ways I can get what I'm looking for without really having to worry about eyeballing LA from monsters that are available. Using a multitude of templates and some classes/PrC I should be okay.

The one thing that is sorely lacking from all of these is Constrict and Engulf. Though the monstrous base class has Engulf, it has no Constrict.

How can I get Engulf and Constrict?

There's a ToB stance that gives Constrict. Something in Stone Dragon. Crushing Weight of the Mountain IIRC.

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-09-29, 09:20 PM

There's a ToB stance that gives Constrict. Something in Stone Dragon. Crushing Weight of the Mountain IIRC.

Awesome, I'll have to look into that. Thanks.

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-09-29, 11:35 PM

So, Dragon Magazine has a template called the Ooze Elemental. You gian most of the qualities of an ooze, including immunities, and you become an elemental rather than a n ooze. LA +4.

Downside, still no Engulf. How can I get Engulf without Gelatinous Cube Monstrous class levels?

The Succubus

2011-09-30, 05:12 AM

Can't really add much to the mechanics of the discussion but I just had a picture in my head:

"Welcome, bold adventurers. I, King Midas, ask of you to seek the Lost Crown of AAAAAARGHMMMFMMFMMF"

:smallsigh:: "What the hell Dave? That's the 6th quest giver you've eaten today!"

:smallmad:: "I hope you're not disrespecting me, because you're looking very Engulfable at the moment."

:smalleek:: "Nononono, no problems at all."

Fun times.

agentnone

2011-09-30, 05:57 AM

After seeing the title of this thread, I had the awesome thought of a villain as one of these with monk/rogue levels.

Though after awhile, I'm sure as a player, word would get around of the character constantly destroying bed sheets, and mattresses, and frames, and even the floors of the rooms. Which means, the character would have to start sleeping somewhere else cuz no inn in their right mind would rent a room out to the character. As a player, this would be very entertaining to have in the party. As a DM, it would be a nightmare to put things against it.

Still like the idea of using it as a villain though....

smuchmuch

2011-09-30, 06:06 AM

There was a PBP game on those board where everyone played a newly awaken tiny sized ooze.
Pretty fun concept but didn't last very long sadly. (Can't fifn the thread again)

Demonic_Spoon

2011-09-30, 06:31 AM

Darrin

2011-09-30, 07:07 AM

If we were to look at some of the more fun Oozes, say Arcane Ooze or Summoning Ooze from MM III, do you have any thoughts on LA there? I don't really have Savage Species, so stating it out is beyond me at the moment.

Arcane Ooze... ugh, not even going to try. Starting at 15HD, the LA is probably above +5, so whatever it is, it's epic.

Summoning Ooze is easier... going by the guidelines in Savage Species:
+1 unblanaced ability scores
+2 natural armor
+1 blindsight
+3 immunity to acid and fire
+1 spellcasting
... so at least +8, but that's just too darned high for a CR4 creature. I'd probably eyeball it around LA +5, give or take +1/-1.

I'll take a peak at the Aberrant Ooze people, thanks. Why did everything/is everything related to Ooze an Aberration now?

Part of it has to do with whether the fluff behind the creature may involve the Far Realms (a convenient origin for most Mythos-style tentacle-beasties), and part of it has to do with whether a creature's physiology really justifies all of the ooze trait's immunities.

EDIT: Spoke to a friend who mentioned savage species has a "gelatinous" template. He said it has no LA, but sounds wrong.

It's... problematic. First, it doesn't change the creature type to ooze, it changes the type to aberration. Second, the ability adjustments drop your Int down to 1, so you have to apply several templates on top of it to get a more playable Int score. The Sentry Ooze template will no longer work (it's an aberration, not an ooze), Half-Dragon only gets you up to Int 3, and Spellwarped is only Int 5. The Speed penalty is really what burns, though... if you were already starting with an ooze creature, it has a horrible Speed to begin with, and 1/2 of that means you're probably looking at 5' or 10' base speed.

Not a template. That said, IIRC Awaken Ooze exists as a spell somewhere. Doesn't help with the LA question, but you really probably are going to have to eyeball it and that's all there is to it.

Dragon Magazine #304. The spell description isn't all that particularly detailed, though... it's not clear if it adds +2 HD, changes the creature type, or what the ability score adjustments would be.

How can I get Engulf and Constrict?

Engulf... hmm... well, it's available from either the Ice Beast template or the Living Spell template. So maybe start with the Living Spell archive and go from there.

Crushing Weight of the Mountain is a 3rd level Stone Dragon stance. So you could pick this up with Martial Study (Mountain Hammer is always useful) and then Martial Stance at level 12ish... 10 HD = Initiator Level 5. You can skip the Martial Study with a Novice Stone Dragon Belt (3000 GP), assuming your ooze can wear (and not dissolve) belts.

Tyndmyr

2011-09-30, 08:20 AM

Polymorph any object should be entirely RAW legal. You get the new, crappy int score, but on the flip side, you get to dodge the LA issue entirely.

You'll likely want your gear to be made of Riverine or some such.

Darrin

2011-09-30, 08:47 AM

Polymorph any object should be entirely RAW legal. You get the new, crappy int score, but on the flip side, you get to dodge the LA issue entirely.

Actually, you have to be careful with polymorph. While it grants most of the ooze type traits, it does *not* grant Blindsight, which means you may indeed be an ooze, but you're also completely blind.

You'll likely want your gear to be made of Riverine or some such.

Assuming you can still wear armor, make sure you add the Durable property from Dungeonscape: +500 GP (1/3rd the cost of blueshine!), and complete immunity to acid, rust effects, ooze effects, and green slime.

noparlpf

2011-09-30, 09:14 AM

Also, Awaken Ooze is a spell from Dragon Magazine #304.

Anyway, since there's no listed LA (oozes don't typically have an Int score), it ends up working out the same way an awakened animal does. The DM estimates a LA. I think when I was trying to get an awakened gelatinous cube to swing with a DM at school last year we estimated an LA around +4, and that's on top of the RHD, and your best bet for equipment is probably VoP...so it's not optimal. But it would be fun. I'd probably play a Rogue. Maybe for iterative attacks take either Improved Unarmed Strike or a level of Monk (probably only if we had fractional BaB), and then use Beast Strike (DR #355) to add slam damage to unarmed attacks.

Tvtyrant

2011-09-30, 04:28 PM

You could argue for Ooze shape instead of plant shape as a Druid.

Tibbaerrohwen

2011-10-03, 02:11 AM

Arcane Ooze... ugh, not even going to try. Starting at 15HD, the LA is probably above +5, so whatever it is, it's epic.

Summoning Ooze is easier... going by the guidelines in Savage Species:
+1 unblanaced ability scores
+2 natural armor
+1 blindsight
+3 immunity to acid and fire
+1 spellcasting
... so at least +8, but that's just too darned high for a CR4 creature. I'd probably eyeball it around LA +5, give or take +1/-1.

Part of it has to do with whether the fluff behind the creature may involve the Far Realms (a convenient origin for most Mythos-style tentacle-beasties), and part of it has to do with whether a creature's physiology really justifies all of the ooze trait's immunities.

It's... problematic. First, it doesn't change the creature type to ooze, it changes the type to aberration. Second, the ability adjustments drop your Int down to 1, so you have to apply several templates on top of it to get a more playable Int score. The Sentry Ooze template will no longer work (it's an aberration, not an ooze), Half-Dragon only gets you up to Int 3, and Spellwarped is only Int 5. The Speed penalty is really what burns, though... if you were already starting with an ooze creature, it has a horrible Speed to begin with, and 1/2 of that means you're probably looking at 5' or 10' base speed.

Dragon Magazine #304. The spell description isn't all that particularly detailed, though... it's not clear if it adds +2 HD, changes the creature type, or what the ability score adjustments would be.

Engulf... hmm... well, it's available from either the Ice Beast template or the Living Spell template. So maybe start with the Living Spell archive and go from there.

Crushing Weight of the Mountain is a 3rd level Stone Dragon stance. So you could pick this up with Martial Study (Mountain Hammer is always useful) and then Martial Stance at level 12ish... 10 HD = Initiator Level 5. You can skip the Martial Study with a Novice Stone Dragon Belt (3000 GP), assuming your ooze can wear (and not dissolve) belts.

Ya, it's a tough nut to crack.

Where are these templates from, do you know?

There was a PBP game on those board where everyone played a newly awaken tiny sized ooze.
Pretty fun concept but didn't last very long sadly. (Can't fifn the thread again)

Does anyone else have the link to this? There might be some good info for me there.

Can't really add much to the mechanics of the discussion but I just had a picture in my head:

"Welcome, bold adventurers. I, King Midas, ask of you to seek the Lost Crown of AAAAAARGHMMMFMMFMMF"

:smallsigh:: "What the hell Dave? That's the 6th quest giver you've eaten today!"

:smallmad:: "I hope you're not disrespecting me, because you're looking very Engulfable at the moment."

:smalleek:: "Nononono, no problems at all."

Fun times.

Love it. That was never my intention for the character, but I'm feeling the urge now.

Thanks.

Venger

2013-03-07, 09:46 AM

I recall there is a PrC somewhere (BoVD maybe) that makes you an ooze as a capstone, but I'm more interested in starting as an ooze (character race is ooze).

oozemaster changes your type for the purpose of effects to ooze. slimelord (players guide to faerun) and thrall of jubilex (bovd) are the two other slime themed prestige classes

Oozemaster, Masters of the Wild p. 67. It's a half-caster class and yeah, the capstone gives you most of the perks of the ooze type.

it gives you everything from being an ooze except immunity to crits/sneak attacks. you've got light fortification, but that's it.

Fouredged Sword

2013-03-07, 11:39 AM

So, an oozemaster who PAO's into a nice living spell. This is likely the closest you are going to get with no LA or rule bending. It may even be powerful with the right choice of living spell.

Miriad

2013-03-07, 11:44 AM

I think my brain just broke.

You could make all your equipment out of riverine. Very expensive though.

ShurikVch

2013-03-07, 12:22 PM

Relevant thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145658).
Okay. AN ooze character? How about this.

Race is Slyth*
Class is Cleric-1 (ooze and slime)/Wizard or sorc-4/Spell Sovereign-5/ Ooze Lord-10

Pick up net proficiency via feats.

Use UA rules for custom summon lists to add oozes through out all summon monster lists.

Your weapon is the net from A&EG that turns into an ooze on command. You also shell out the cash for the amulet of Ooze riding from the same book.

You are an ooze that warships oozes and has a pet ooze, turns into a better ooze while riding an ooze and using an ooze as a weapon and summoning oozes to do your bidding. IS that enough Ooze? Trick question. You can never have enough ooze

*Ah HA! Found it! In the underdark book. Page 18. The Slyth are a race that can assume an amorphous form a few times a day and have ooze heritage.

..... it appears that i have an ooze living under my shift key. it likes to make two letters in a row capitals instead of just one. annoying.

Thajocoth

2013-03-07, 12:33 PM

I remember a 4e game I ran inwhich I added an Ooze modification people could choose to undergo.

An Elf, for example, would become a Gelatinous Elf. Shape of an elf. Made of the stuff of an ooze.

I fully support the idea of playable oozes.

hamishspence

2013-03-07, 01:18 PM

It's like a full-body massage and gentle exfoliation!

In the Mount Zogon strip in the print issues of Dungeon Magazine, the somewhat sociopathic druid has an affinity for oozes and fungi.

She sleeps in a gelatinous cube (once she no longer needs to breathe thanks to inhaling some kind of spore) has an ochre jelly for a chair, and commands an army of oozes.

Venger

2013-03-07, 01:28 PM

So, an oozemaster who PAO's into a nice living spell. This is likely the closest you are going to get with no LA or rule bending. It may even be powerful with the right choice of living spell.

you can't PaO into a living spell, since you can't turn into anything with a template. Besides, you can already turn into an ooze with polymorph/PaO even without being an oozemaster.

Khatoblepas

2013-03-07, 01:59 PM

Summoning Ooze is easier... going by the guidelines in Savage Species:
+1 unblanaced ability scores
+2 natural armor
+1 blindsight
+3 immunity to acid and fire
+1 spellcasting
... so at least +8, but that's just too darned high for a CR4 creature. I'd probably eyeball it around LA +5, give or take +1/-1.

Let's not be too hasty here - I don't think a Summoning Ooze is at any point a ECL10 creature.

What a Summoning Ooze actually gets:
- +4 Str, +6 Con, +2 Wis, +4 Cha
- 2 slams +1d6 acid
- Fast Healing 5
- Immunity to Fire and Acid
- Summon Monster 1 at will, increasing up to Summon Monster VI at 15HD (but can only summon x2 it's HD in monsters a day - does this mean it can only summon x2 it's HD in monster HD, or what?)
- Blindsight 60ft
- +4 racial bonus on Hide, Listen Move Silently.
- A climb speed.
- +7 natural armor

But, since we can't get rid of the racial hit dice, it also gets 5HD worth of Ooze die, which give him all bad saves, medium BAB, and 2+Int skill points. It's a very scattershot monster, that doesn't really have as much of a focus on anything. It has immunities.... but bad saves. It has some bonuses to stealth... but poor skill points and intelligence. The only thing it really has going for it is lots of HP and Fast Healing and a lot of natural armor (though can an ooze wear armor?), and the ability to summon monsters once per round. Compare the summoning ooze to a Conjurer. At 5HD, a Conjurer has Summon Monster III, while the Summoning Ooze has SMI. The Conjurer can cast other spells, while the Ooze is stuck with it's spell like ability. Heck, even a bard can have Summon Monster II by 5HD, and it gets 2 good saves and 6 skill points a level!

Really if someone came to me asking to be a Summoning Ooze, I'd just say "Yes, just use the HD as your starting level", and shake my head a little. It's got some neat things, but it's nothing game breaking or even very powerful. What kind of build could you do with it, anyway? Malkonvoker? Nar Demonbinder? Supernatural Transformation on it's spell like ability? You're losing 5 caster levels and you don't have the base saves to get into Ur-Priest. I'd be hard pressed to think of any ways a summoning ooze could be super powerful, or even match a human with five class levels.

Draz74

2013-03-07, 02:16 PM

Actually, you have to be careful with polymorph. While it grants most of the ooze type traits, it does *not* grant Blindsight, which means you may indeed be an ooze, but you're also completely blind. \

Suddenly, I'm picturing an Ooze wearing a Blindfold of True Darkness ... :smallamused:

Gildedragon

2013-03-07, 02:35 PM

There's also the Ooze or Slime (one of these is the right name) paragenasi; if looking for an ooze like race.

ZamielVanWeber

2013-03-07, 02:53 PM

Phelix-Mu

2013-03-07, 03:03 PM

Hmm, somebody did bring up green slime, which got me thinking.

Green slime isn't a creature, but it can be awakened via the druid spell, and then is a plant creature. You'd have to impovise it's qualities, though, so it's a terrible option, really. And then you have to deal with the dies in sunlight issue.

Slyth from Underdark supplement has some ooze flavor--an amorphous Alternate Form ability--but it's useless for the desired purpose. Still you might compare stuff against it; it has a +2 LA, and some interesting abilities.

The only other thing that came to mind is playing some kind of nerfed-down version of the sand creature created by the awaken sand spell from Sandstorm. The RAW one is huge, so not helpful, but you could probably scale it down without too much difficulty. Best of all, it already has the Engulf ability, if memory serves.

Fellwarre

2013-03-07, 03:03 PM

I see great potential for this in a LARP game. You'd have to buy a LOT of Jell-O, though...

Tvtyrant

2013-03-07, 04:16 PM

Doesn't a Thrall of Jubilex get a lot of Ooze traits and the ability to summon Oozes?

BTW, I support ooze characters. So adorable!

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/148/8/2/slime_princess_by_kingmonster-d3gucpy.jpg

Cirrylius

2013-03-07, 06:22 PM

Hm. Considering the lack of... body, for armor and magic items, how would VoP work for a handwaved intelligent ooze?

Also, I feel bad that Goo Girls is the first place my mind went when considering an ooze character:smallfrown:

noparlpf

2013-03-07, 06:57 PM

Hm. Considering the lack of... body, for armor and magic items, how would VoP work for a handwaved intelligent ooze?

Geez, like I posted way back when, you don't need to handwave them. There's a spell "Awaken Ooze".
And I'm sure it works normally, you don't carry items, and you get the VoP bonuses.

Cirrylius

2013-03-07, 08:14 PM

Geez, like I posted way back when, you don't need to handwave them. There's a spell "Awaken Ooze".
And I'm sure it works normally, you don't carry items, and you get the VoP bonuses.
I have absolutely no familiarity with most of the material brought up in the thread on the first page, so I skipped ahead. Sorry:smallannoyed:

What I meant was would it be particulary OP or UP if taken in conjunction with Awakened Ooze?

noparlpf

2013-03-07, 08:17 PM

I have absolutely no familiarity with most of the material brought up in the thread on the first page, so I skipped ahead. Sorry:smallannoyed:

What I meant was would it be particulary OP or UP if taken in conjunction with Awakened Ooze?

Uh, no better than usual. It's probably a better bet than trying to figure out custom items to fit you.

8wGremlin

2013-03-08, 08:43 PM

You could also do this...

Hairy Spider -10 str, +4 dex, no int, -8 cha fine 20 ft. (climb 10 ft.) – poison immunity, mindless ? vermin Player's Guide to Faerun web enhancement (LA), Monsters of Faerun pg. 79

add in Skitter Haunt template -4 dex, +4 con, wis 1, cha 1 int - this makes you and ooze

add sentry guardian template - dungeonscape

which gives you:

Increase from the base creature as follows: Dex +6, Int +2, Wis +10, Cha +10.

total: Str -10. Dex + 6, Con +4, Int 2, Wis 11, Cha 11

need to boost the INT...

Cirrylius

2013-03-08, 11:24 PM

What class levels would be interesting/thematic for an intelligent ooze? Personally, I find the thought of a berserking ooze terrifying:smalleek:

noparlpf

2013-03-08, 11:36 PM

Ironically, an Awakened Ooze, say a Gelatinous Cube, will probably have much better mental stats than Str and Dex. With its high Con and decent mental stats, I'd say caster makes the most sense.

Thematically...unarmed fighter. Take Beast Strike and used unarmed strikes for iteratives, then just ooze around hitting and engulfing things. Monk or something for increased speed would be good, if you're at a low-op table and Monk can be used. City Brawler Barbarian gets you Improved Unarmed Strike and Two-Weapon Fighting for unarmed strikes only, and a small speed boost, plus your high Con and big hit die means long rages and loads of hit points.

Cirrylius

2013-03-09, 12:33 AM