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dhusarra
2011-10-05, 10:28 AM
how can you beat someone when has antimagic field, with a vow of poverty, AC 60, str 38 and he is werebear?any suggestions?

Squark
2011-10-05, 10:32 AM
First off, his transformation will be suppressed while in the field (it's a supernatural ability, so he reverts to his natural form (the humanoid one)). Second, many of his Vow of Poverty abilities are also likely to be supernatural, and thus suppressed, lowering his AC accordingly.

dextercorvia
2011-10-05, 10:33 AM
First off, his transformation will be suppressed while in the field (it's a supernatural ability, so he reverts to his natural form (the humanoid one)). Second, manyall of his Vow of Poverty abilities are also likely to be supernatural, and thus suppressed, lowering his AC accordingly.

So all you have to do is Fly and kite him with Orb of Fire.

Edit: Justification


This book introduces a new type of feat: the exalted feat. Only
intelligent characters of good alignment and the highest moral standards can acquire exalted feats, and only as a gift from powerful agents of good—deities, celestials, or similar creatures. These feats are thus supernatural in nature (rather than being extraordinary abilities, as most feats are).

So even though some of the abilities are Ex, the feat is Su, and is suppressed in an AMF, losing all of the abilities.

dhusarra
2011-10-05, 10:34 AM
mmm yes you're right ...but still its a bit harder from what you thinking :)

dextercorvia
2011-10-05, 10:37 AM
mmm yes you're right ...but still its a bit harder from what you thinking :)

What is his touch AC with no magical bonuses? Does he have a nonmagical form of flight?

Kansaschaser
2011-10-05, 11:05 AM
I always keep a couple boulders (4,000 pounds) on me at all times. Sometimes I also keep giant weapons one me. How? With the Shrink Item spells. All you have to do is hurle the shrunken boulder at the dude, then when the pebble hits the antimagic field, it reverts back to it's normal size.

The Monk won't be able to lift or move the boulder. Once the Monk moves away from the boulder, it would shrink back to a pebble. Then just pick it up and hurl it again if you missed the first time.

Keld Denar
2011-10-05, 11:21 AM
Slap the player for cheating. Simple as that.

Big Fau
2011-10-05, 12:41 PM
how can you beat someone when has antimagic field, with a vow of poverty, AC 60, str 38 and he is werebear?any suggestions?

Levitate up 30ft and use a crossbow.


If his DR is too high, use Metamagic'ed Orb of X spells to ruin his HP (AMF does not affect the Orbs because they are instantaneous Conjuration spells).


His AC drops significantly without his VoP and Wearbear forms, meaning his Touch AC is going to be garbage. This isn't a challenge, it's a Tarrasque wannabe. A really bad one.

Devmaar
2011-10-05, 01:00 PM
It's not necessary, but Initiate of Mystra makes this laughably easy

Cruiser1
2011-10-05, 08:06 PM
So even though some of the abilities are Ex, the feat is Su, and is suppressed in an AMF, losing all of the abilities.With exalted feats being suppressed in an AMF, does that mean a character with Vow of Nonviolence / Vow of Peace can cast AMF around himself, and then kill the BBEG with something sharp, and not break any vows? :smallamused:

dextercorvia
2011-10-05, 09:05 PM
With exalted feats being suppressed in an AMF, does that mean a character with Vow of Nonviolence / Vow of Peace can cast AMF around himself, and then kill the BBEG with something sharp, and not break any vows? :smallamused:

I think that it does. If a DM would let you pull it is another question. Nice catch.

Mikeavelli
2011-10-05, 09:15 PM
With exalted feats being suppressed in an AMF, does that mean a character with Vow of Nonviolence / Vow of Peace can cast AMF around himself, and then kill the BBEG with something sharp, and not break any vows? :smallamused:

The gods aren't going to break the rules to let you use your powers in an AMF, but they sure as Baator are going to break the rules to take your powers away if you violate your vows in an AMF.

OracleofWuffing
2011-10-05, 09:19 PM
Yeah, the line about losing your benefits is in the feat itself, which isn't supernatural. E: Nothing to see here!

Psyren
2011-10-05, 09:23 PM
Yeah, the line about losing your benefits is in the feat itself, which isn't supernatural.

The feat itself IS supernatural - all Exalted feats are.

But just because you do something evil in an AMF doesn't mean the Good deities suddenly can't see it.

dextercorvia
2011-10-05, 09:23 PM
Yeah, the line about losing your benefits is in the feat itself, which isn't supernatural.

Au contraire, check the quote I posted above. All Exalted feats are Su, and are therefore suppressed in an AMF.

dextercorvia
2011-10-05, 09:25 PM
The feat itself IS supernatural - all Exalted feats are.

But just because you do something evil in an AMF doesn't mean the Good deities suddenly can't see it.

Not the evil thing, that is outside the feat text, and you still have the feat, just not the benefit. The vow itself is the benefit of the feat, and when you lose the benefit of the feat, you lose (temporarily) the vow.